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OMNICHATTER for the week of August 1-7, 2022

Scoreboards for the Major Leagues and all minor leagues,
courtesy of Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee).

Hombre Brotani Posted: August 01, 2022 at 04:38 AM | 394 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. ReggieThomasLives Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:01 PM (#6089712)
Most HR in a season -- with totals through 104 team games:

2001 Barry Bonds: 73 -- 45
1998 Mark McGwire: 70 -- 44
2022 Aaron Judge: 67 (current pace) -- 43
1998 Sammy Sosa: 66 -- 37
1999 Mark McGwire: 65 -- 39
2001 Sammy Sosa: 64 -- 35
1999 Sammy Sosa: 63 -- 41
1961 Roger Maris: 61 -- 40
1927 Babe Ruth: 60 -- 34


Crazy how Judge is on verge of joining Maris as only second guy to hit 60 without juicing.

And if he has the same season ending kick that the Babe did he will reach 69 with eight games remaining and a real shot at Bonds. I guess I can’t root against global warming quite yet.
   102. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:07 PM (#6089717)
Burnes walks two guys at the bottom of the order and then Cruz homers so all tied.
   103. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:15 PM (#6089719)
4-3 Pirates. Burnes out.
   104. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:16 PM (#6089721)
I love my Pirates... :)
   105. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:17 PM (#6089723)
Carlson with a two run homerun to give the Cardinals a 4-0 lead.
   106. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:17 PM (#6089724)
5-3 Pirates as the Brewers catcher fails to do the job description
   107. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:19 PM (#6089725)
Goldy makes it 5-0.
   108. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:22 PM (#6089726)
It's after July 31st, I now feel comfortable actively rooting against another team. Although since there is enough head to head games remaining that both the Brewers and Cardinals control their own destiny. But I still have to root against the Phils and Brewers as much as possible
   109. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:24 PM (#6089727)
damnit the shift should be outlawed because it worked there.
   110. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:33 PM (#6089731)
Really impressive save by the Pittsburgh catcher. Ball waaaayyy outside and he lunges to snag it. Saves a run
   111. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:34 PM (#6089732)
Waino's second inning is killing him here, 80 pitches to start the sixth. He can still go 7 of course but no chance for a complete game.

Carlson is NOT Bader in center, but he is having a good defensive game so far today.
   112. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:38 PM (#6089734)
Craig uses two pinch hitters taking Tellez and Wong out because of a lefty reliever. First PH gets hit so bases loaded for Cutch who fails. Then Severino strikes out. No runs. Two hotter hitters out of game and still losing

So, not great

   113. The Duke Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:42 PM (#6089735)
Yadi kicking back by the pool for a month or two has really made the ability of Waino-Yadi to get to 325 mutual starts a tough one. They moved into second place tonight at 317 and will need some magic to get there.

I've been thinking Yadi might not be done - this has been a bad final year for him. Clearly distracted by issues at home, came into camp overweight and being a rather lackluster presence on the field until he just walked away for a couple months. It's clear there's an issue - everyone on the Cardinals tip toe around it when asked.

I bet he comes back as Waino's personal catcher next year. The catchers we do have after him suck/aren't ready so he's not blocking anyone.
   114. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:43 PM (#6089736)
I've been thinking Yadi might not be done - this has been a bad final year for him. Clearly distracted by issues at home, came into camp overweight and being a rather lackluster presence on the field until he just walked away for a couple months. It's clear there's an issue - everyone on the Cardinals tip toe around it when asked.


I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed there is something up with Yadier. He may not be getting results but nothing in his game, other than speed, looks to have diminished, just a bit of bad luck on babip (at least that is the way it feels)
   115. Walt Davis Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:54 PM (#6089740)
DeGrom and 59 pitches -- that's about exactly what I'd expect in a first start back from the IL. This is exactly how you "stretch a guy out." Conveniently enough 17 batters so no 3rd-time through stuff. This is more like the 3rd/4th start of spring training for him. (4 starts, 13 innings, 49 batters in the minors.) Next start he throws about 70 pitches, then about 80 then you treat him the way you usually treat him.

DeGrom first starts:

2021 77 pitches
2020 72 (most relevant comp we have really)
2019 93 (and we had a pandemic the next year!!)
2018 101 (Call the PAP police!)

Kershaw got 71 pitches in his first start off the IL this year; 50 in his first start off the IL last year.

Good golly, not to jinx the fella, but it looks like Darvish hasn't missed more than maybe a couple of starts since 2018.
   116. Cris E Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:56 PM (#6089741)
A ton of backup catchers seemed to be on the move in the past three days: Cam Gallagher, Austin Allen , Austin Romine , Sandy Leon, Curt Casali , Reese McGuire plus non-backup Christian Vazquez and a bunch of others that might have moved but did not (Willson Contreras, Sean Murphy, Omar Narvaez.) Not sure if there was always this much traffic and I never noticed it, but I saw it this week.
   117. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 09:58 PM (#6089742)
Arenado with his 20th of the year to make it 6-0 Cardinals
   118. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: August 02, 2022 at 10:12 PM (#6089746)
Brewers lose

Struggled against Pittsburgh all season. Mainly because Crew plays sloppy. It’s really odd that against one team the other team just does out of character stuff
   119. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 10:31 PM (#6089752)
Back to back shutouts from the Cardinals, they started the season throwing a lot of shutouts, then in June and July seemed to have forgotten how to do them (losing a few in the last 4 or so outs of the game) Mets/Yankees lead mlb with 14 team shutouts, Cardinals just got their 10th.
   120. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2022 at 10:41 PM (#6089754)
Profar is up to 6 hits so far today, record is 9, last done in 1961.
   121. PeteF3 Posted: August 02, 2022 at 11:22 PM (#6089757)
Dodgers Twitter reporting that Vin Scully has died.
   122. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 02, 2022 at 11:23 PM (#6089758)
Red Sox take out the Astros again, 2-1. Some guy named Devers was back in the starting line up and ended up with a double and homer, knocked in both runs.
Former 16th round pick, Cutter Crawford went 6, scattering 7 hits, 1 run and the pen did the rest.

Sox now over .500 and 2 games back in the WC in a heated battle with Cleveland, Orioles and White Sox. It's the death match to achieve slightly above mediocrity.

   123. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 02, 2022 at 11:24 PM (#6089759)
Dodgers Twitter reporting that Vin Scully has died.


Sad day. RIP Vin. You were simply the best.
   124. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2022 at 10:03 AM (#6089809)
Just because I like to document these things and see how they changed. Profar with a 5 for 6 game today (so far) 7 total bases only though, but has a 124 ops+(.770) and 3.5 war coming into this game. Kim who is 4 for 5 with also 7 total bases had a 102 ops+(.691) and 3.0 war.


Profar jumped to 3.9 war, 130 ops+/.792 (he ended up going 7 for 10, 5 singles and 2 doubles)
Kim jumped to 3.3 106/.705 ops+/ops. No hits in the second game so overall 4 for 9

(Hader got the save in the second game)
   125. Howie Menckel Posted: August 03, 2022 at 10:46 AM (#6089817)
   126. salvomania Posted: August 03, 2022 at 02:58 PM (#6089870)
Charlie Morton can't get a break. For the fourth time since mid-June, he allows zero runs and comes away with a no decision.

This one was particularly tough: with the Braves leading 1-0 in the 8th over the Phillies and Colin McHugh pitching, an inning-ending DP is overturned, with JT Realmuto being called safe at first to extend the inning, and Castellanos follows with a 3-run homer.
   127. Banta Posted: August 03, 2022 at 06:15 PM (#6089902)
Mets of course are back to hitting today because deGrom isn’t pitching. Vogelbach is also doing everything in his power to make me like him, hitting a grand slam for his first Mets homerun.

Prior to him, the last Met to have their first homerun with the team be a grand slam was Jose Reyes in 2003. That’s especially funny to me because it became a bit of a meme (before memes were a thing!) on this site about how antsy Jose would get with the bases loaded. Feel free to pour through the old game chatters to validate this.

Also, noticing Walt’s 115, I still disagree with 59 pitches for deGrom “stretching him out.” He threw more than that in his last few rehab starts and I think there’s little reason to not push him further in a world where there’s a DH. It completely feels like they had 5 innings in mind as a max (and additionally a pitch cap). I do concede that my frustration is more than a little tied to how ridiculously low pitch counts for starters have gotten.
   128. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2022 at 06:58 PM (#6089908)
Not listening to anything yet, but it looks like, at best, the Cardinal game start time will be delayed two hours. More than likely, considering how they have handled it this year, they'll just postpone it until tomorrow.
   129. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2022 at 07:02 PM (#6089909)
Yadi kicking back by the pool for a month or two has really made the ability of Waino-Yadi to get to 325 mutual starts a tough one. They moved into second place tonight at 317 and will need some magic to get there.


There is about 11/12 potential starts remaining for Wainwright, so there is a bit of room to get there, but not much.
   130. Banta Posted: August 03, 2022 at 07:28 PM (#6089911)
Oh my, Mychal Givens gives up 5 runs on 5 hits with 2 homeruns in his Mets debut, raising his season ERA from 2.66 to 3.70. The good news for him is that he can only improve from here in his Mets career.

Mets still win 9-5, 3.5 up on the Braves ahead of a 5 game series with them. They went 11-4 in the games between Braves series, gaining one game in the standings.
   131. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2022 at 08:21 PM (#6089917)
Cardinals/Cubs postponed.
   132. Howie Menckel Posted: August 03, 2022 at 08:41 PM (#6089920)
Yankees have had a dream season - and now, Severino (to the 60-day IL) is griping and Taillon is moping.

“That [trade] hurt, caught me off guard,” Taillon said. “He was definitely a best friend for me here. I’m going to be in his wedding this offseason. We sat next to each other on the flights, shared a love for bourbon and coffee, and we’re pretty much inseparable at the field. It’s going to be tough not having him, for sure.”

will be long forgotten if they win a title, and perhaps overplayed if and when they don't.

but the Yankees were not broke(n)...
   133. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2022 at 09:30 PM (#6089925)
Alcantara with the shutout today, he leads the NL in war at 5.5, I imagine it shoots up to about 5.9 after today. Era goes from 1.99 to 1.88, tough to move the needle too much this late in the season.
   134. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 03, 2022 at 10:00 PM (#6089927)
New guy Soto walks and scores 1st time up.
Other new guy Drury goes much better in 1st AB, hits a salami.

Padres up 5-0 in the first. The trades are working!
   135. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2022 at 10:01 PM (#6089928)
Brandon Drury with a grandslam in the first inning for the Padres.
   136. cardsfanboy Posted: August 03, 2022 at 10:38 PM (#6089934)
Pirates can't hold onto a 7-4 lead with just two innings to go.
   137. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 04, 2022 at 12:56 AM (#6089948)
Today I learned that somehow Anibal Sanchez is back in Washington’s rotation…despair not, Nats fans! All is not lost!
   138. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 11:57 AM (#6089979)
Anyone know if the Cardinals/Cubs game is a 7 inning doubleheader or a 9 inning? I'm assuming 9 inning but I could be wrong. (or was 7 inning doubleheader a fevered dream of mine?)
   139. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 03:49 PM (#6090028)
So Cardinals losing 3-0 going into the 7th inning, Gorman, Goldy hit back to back homeruns, Arenado doubles and flied in eventually to tie it up.
   140. The Duke Posted: August 04, 2022 at 03:50 PM (#6090029)
History question for cards and yanks fans. I was having a discussion about TLRs managing and someone cited TLRs insistence on the cardinals signing Tino as an example of his bad skills. Ie he could have moved Pujols to 1B but insisted that Jocketty sign Tino ( who then failed ).

I don't remember TLR forcing the club to sign Tino. I think he likes having a "winner" and a LH bat in the middle of the order. Does anyone remember the general view of this signing at the time ? I seem
To remember there were a bunch of teams that wanted Tino.
   141. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 04:10 PM (#6090037)
Nootbar drives in the winning run. Nice comeback victory.
   142. The Duke Posted: August 04, 2022 at 04:11 PM (#6090038)
Brewers apparently do need Hader.
   143. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 04:11 PM (#6090039)
History question for cards and yanks fans. I was having a discussion about TLRs managing and someone cited TLRs insistence on the cardinals signing Tino as an example of his bad skills. Ie he could have moved Pujols to 1B but insisted that Jocketty sign Tino ( who then failed ).

I don't remember TLR forcing the club to sign Tino. I think he likes having a "winner" and a LH bat in the middle of the order. Does anyone remember the general view of this signing at the time ? I seem
To remember there were a bunch of teams that wanted Tino.


To put it nicely, he heavily influenced the signing. I don't remember the specifics, but TLR definitely had a heavy hand in signing Tino.
   144. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 04:12 PM (#6090040)
Cardinals can finish the day either tied for first or 1 game back.
   145. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 04, 2022 at 04:50 PM (#6090047)
Sam Hilliard of the Rockies just stole a homer from Brandon Drury, jumping backward into the left-field wall. An amazing catch.

Here's the link: https://twitter.com/RoxGifsVids/status/1555294781928005633?s=20&t=R14ZCoQcl-adUxnlp3kuLA
   146. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 04, 2022 at 05:01 PM (#6090049)
The matchup of Joe Musgrove vs. Kyle Freeland has two kids pitching for the hometown teams they grew up rooting for.
   147. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: August 04, 2022 at 05:08 PM (#6090051)
So... is anyone aware of an all-Latino lineup card in a regular season game before Monday evening in Nats Park?
   148. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: August 04, 2022 at 06:14 PM (#6090055)
Which team? Is Josh Bell Latino?
   149. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: August 04, 2022 at 06:40 PM (#6090057)
Sorry, Andy, Tuesday night's game.

CF 16 Robles
SS 2 Garcia
LF 29 Hernandez
DH 23 Cruz
C 20 Ruiz
1B 45 Meneses
RF 68 Palacios
2B 1 Hernandez
3B 7 Franco
   150. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: August 04, 2022 at 06:56 PM (#6090060)
The Angels have hit six home runs against the A's today, including two by Ohtani. They're also losing by two runs in the 8th inning. This team is so depressing.
   151. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: August 04, 2022 at 07:34 PM (#6090064)
Now seven home runs for the Angels, all of them solo, and they're still losing by one in the 9th. Ohtani has a chance for a three home run game if they can avoid grounding into a double play here.
   152. Banta Posted: August 04, 2022 at 07:44 PM (#6090067)
I know this is illegal, but I’m feeling awfully good about the Mets position here. As long as they win one game, the Braves won’t take the division lead and if they could win four (or god forbid all five), they could really bury the Braves here. Odds are the Mets come out of this series with a significant advantage in the division. So that’s cool. Since the Braves got hot, I’ve been concerned and disappointed that a ten game lead turned into only a couple, but now that we’re here, I’m feeling good.

And as I’m typing this, Naquin hits a homer! See like I said all along, Naquin and Vogelbach were the key! Cough.
   153. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: August 04, 2022 at 07:52 PM (#6090068)
Now seven home runs for the Angels, all of them solo, and they're still losing by one in the 9th. Ohtani has a chance for a three home run game if they can avoid grounding into a double play here.
According to Gary Cohen, the Angels loss is only the sixth time in MLB history that a club has hit seven home runs and didn't win.
   154. Banta Posted: August 04, 2022 at 07:54 PM (#6090069)
I’m a little surprised that’s happened five times before. I’d guess this is the lowest scoring game of all of them (safe guess, logically it has to be).

I’m also a little surprised that the Dodgers are now 2.5 games better than the Yankees for the best record in baseball. I knew the Yankees had been struggling a bit, but still.
   155. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 08:04 PM (#6090070)
Arenado. It feels like every game it's either "Goldy!!" or "Arenado!!" or both. 2-1 Cardinals on an Arenado hr.
   156. Banta Posted: August 04, 2022 at 08:09 PM (#6090071)
Mets now up 5-0 on back to back by Alonso and Vogelbach. They wanted more homerun power and it’s working so far.

Lindor also now has an OPS of .800, which is very nice.
   157. Howie Menckel Posted: August 04, 2022 at 08:18 PM (#6090072)
yes, this is not only 5 games in 4 days of NYM-ATL - but also 9 games in 15 days.

the Braves made hay with Scherzer and deGrom sidelined, and got as close as a half-game.

if they don't rally bigly here, that Mets lead will be 4.5 games.

Carrasco entered tonight having allowed 0 R in 18.6 IP in his last 3 starts, and he is working on another blanking - and his 12th win - in this one.

Carrasco still trailed TWalker, Bassitt, and Peterson in ERA+ entering the game - as the jockeying begins to slot in behind Scherzer and deGrom in the postseason.....

   158. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 08:29 PM (#6090075)
I don't think MLB.com understands what the concept of giving grades out is. When it came to grading the trade deadline, they say the Brewers did good... reason why "Cardinals didn't get Soto.".


That isn't how you evaluate someone or something. (yes I'm being a bit sarcastic as it's more about who won in the trade deadline, type of thing)
   159. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 08:33 PM (#6090076)
Cardinal announcers have picked up that the Cubs pitcher Newcomb is a pretty easy read during his windup whether he is throwing the fastball or off speed pitch.
   160. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 08:43 PM (#6090077)
If this is how Quintana pitches, with the Cardinal defense he might reach another level this season. No nonsense, goes out there and just pitches, with a good defense behind him that is sharp because they aren't sitting on the back of their feet, he should do well.
   161. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 08:59 PM (#6090078)
Angels are just cursed is about the only thing I can think of. (I mean using the name Angels might upset a mighty being who wants to appear neutral to sports...as long as you are American)
   162. Banta Posted: August 04, 2022 at 09:09 PM (#6090079)
Braves get closer, scoring three, but Naquin hits his second homer to make it 6-3. Thus far, the Mets trades could not have gone better.

For the hitters anyway, we won’t talk about the pitcher, that’s a Givens.
   163. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 09:19 PM (#6090081)
I still marvel at teams defense that make mistakes on routine plays, yes the Cardinals do it sometimes, but not nearly as often as our opposition does it. Goldy reaches on an error that was as routine ground out as possble, and the Cubs shortstop(Hoerner) has been very good so far this series.
   164. Walt Davis Posted: August 04, 2022 at 09:20 PM (#6090082)
That isn't how you evaluate someone or something.

Grading on a curve.
   165. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 09:25 PM (#6090084)
Grading on a curve.


I thought of that, but even there the Cardinals did better than the Brewers at the trade deadline, Cardinals had holes, they filled those holes, just because they didn't add to it, doesn't make the Brewers the better trade deadline team. And yes I'm being a bit sarcastic overall because that wasn't technically what the article was about, but it makes it feel like they are trying to say the Cardinals failed in the trade deadline, when they went and did exactly what they were hoping to do before Soto all the sudden became available.
   166. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 09:29 PM (#6090085)
Keith Law listed the Brewers as losers for the trade deadline. The Athletic gave the Brewers a C+ Cardinals a B... I don't think anyone thinks the Brewers did a good job at the trade deadline.
   167. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: August 04, 2022 at 09:29 PM (#6090086)
According to Gary Cohen, the Angels loss is only the sixth time in MLB history that a club has hit seven home runs and didn't win.
It's also the only time in MLB history a team has hit seven solo homers and didn’t score any other runs. Yikes.
   168. Banta Posted: August 04, 2022 at 09:35 PM (#6090087)
Now to give the Mets some bullpen usage credit, they brought in Diaz to face the Braves 2-3-4 hitters up 6-4 in the eighth and the thinking is it’s probably just for one inning, given the Mets playing 5 games in four days here.

And it’s a 1-2-3 inning with another two Ks on ten pitches. If it’s me, I might leave him in, honestly. Sure you lose him tomorrow, but maybe you don’t need him tomorrow. If he throws 25 pitches, does he need two days rest? I’d hope not this time of year.
   169. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 09:36 PM (#6090088)
Quintana at 86 pitches after 6 innings. Should be able to go through the 7th, we'll see about more than that. His one hit was a homerun in the first inning.
   170. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 09:36 PM (#6090089)
Hoerner with a freaking great defensive play, at least his third one in the series.
   171. Banta Posted: August 04, 2022 at 09:41 PM (#6090090)
Looks like Diaz might stay in, if this remains a two run game. I support it.

And it’s gonna happen, Mets threaten but do not score.
   172. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 09:53 PM (#6090091)
piss poor call by the ump keeps the Cardinals with a 2-1 lead, that was absolutely a fair ball.
   173. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 09:54 PM (#6090092)
Quintana should have been allowed to go out there for one more inning.
   174. JJ1986 Posted: August 04, 2022 at 10:02 PM (#6090094)
That'll do.
   175. Howie Menckel Posted: August 04, 2022 at 10:03 PM (#6090095)
Diaz throws 18 pitches in the 9th, 28 total - and the Mets win, 6-4.

a mismatch on paper tomorrow, w TWalker 143 ERA+ vs Ian Anderson 86 ERA+.

Buck leaves himself open for bullpen usage criticism (coughBrittoncough), but I think this is why you have an experienced manager for an experience team. if some guy who looks barely old enough to shave goes this route, it seems like he's just pushing a button after he got word via his earpiece.

for better or for worse, I do believe that was Buck's call - and I think overall, that's better and not worse.

   176. Banta Posted: August 04, 2022 at 10:05 PM (#6090096)
Heh, Braves bailout Diaz. Having thrown 27 pitches, he’s 3-0 against Arcia who then puts a check swing on what would likely have been ball 4 and it dribbled fair down the first baseline-ish, where Diaz is able to take it to first easily.

Maybe they don’t win if he walks, but the Braves may have cost themselves having Diaz unavailable for the doubleheader Saturday. Pretty inexplicable for Arcia, a decent hitter but no great shakes, to have the hit sign there in that situation (given that Arcia is the tying run, on the road too, which maybe doesn’t matter as much as in the age of phantom runners). And Diaz proves that being lucky is as good as being good.

Mets guarantee first place after the weekend. Nice.
   177. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 10:11 PM (#6090098)
Damn, Arenado hits into a double play at about the worst time possible. Especially for a pitcher who doesn't look that good out there.
   178. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 10:16 PM (#6090100)
O'neil makes it 5-2 with a two out, three run homerun in the 7th.
   179. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 10:28 PM (#6090102)
Cardinals are going to bring themselves to a tie against the Brewers, then they get a three game series against the Yankees. Brewers get the Reds. This tied for first place won't be there by Monday obviously.
   180. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 10:39 PM (#6090103)
Edman with a 3 hit day and a double just now to drive in two to make it 7-2 Cardinals.
   181. cardsfanboy Posted: August 04, 2022 at 10:54 PM (#6090104)
Tied for first, at least as of today, three game series against the Yankees coming up though.

Cubs are challenging the double play saying Edman missed the bag on the double play. When I saw it live I thought the same thing, on replay, it looks like he got it, or at least didn't conclusively get it.

But the Cubs were right to challenge a game ending play like that.
   182. Banta Posted: August 05, 2022 at 12:25 AM (#6090111)
Holy moly too, I want to amend my Arcia being a decent hitter remark. He’s had a couple serviceable years, this one being one of them, but they’re surrounded by god awful ones, making him a career 74 OPS+ hitter. This makes him getting the hit sign on 3-0, when you need another runner on base to make him the winning run, even more when inexplicable. Again, just for the sake of running up the pitch count and potentially walking you should probably have him hold there. Maybe he missed the sign. Either way, I’d be pretty angry as a Braves fan over it. Diaz was laboring a bit in his second inning, that was their chance.

Always crazy to think little things like that can be the difference between a division title and a wild card spot (and a first round bye this year).

Edit: lol, to add to the somewhat bizarre nature of this, it was Arcia’s birthday! So maybe the hit sign was his present?
   183. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 05, 2022 at 05:41 AM (#6090114)
Weird Phillies leaders:
Lead off hitter leads in HR, SLG and RBIs
Catcher leads in steals
Released player leads in 3B
Pitcher who has thrown 5 innings leads in CGs
   184. Walt Davis Posted: August 05, 2022 at 03:35 PM (#6090173)
Cubs-Marlins in game 1 of the AAA championship today.
   185. Walt Davis Posted: August 05, 2022 at 03:40 PM (#6090175)
Justin Steele with 8 Ks in 4 innings while Edward Cabrera hasn't given up a hit yet.
   186. The Duke Posted: August 05, 2022 at 04:36 PM (#6090187)
Question I asked in another thread :

What explains Hosmer being a 20 WAR player in bWAR and a 10 WAR player in fWAR. One says he's been pretty good player. The other says he's been a turd.

And a related question how has he gone from being a terrible defensive player to a not so bad defensive player?
   187. cardsfanboy Posted: August 05, 2022 at 05:32 PM (#6090190)
What explains Hosmer being a 20 WAR player in bWAR and a 10 WAR player in fWAR. One says he's been pretty good player. The other says he's been a turd.


It's pretty much entirely on the different defensive systems being used, fangraphs has him as a career -164.5 fielder, while reference has him as a -19. They don't agree on anything with him, reference likes his bat and baserunning better than fangraphs also.
   188. The Duke Posted: August 05, 2022 at 06:17 PM (#6090196)
What is the consensus eye test on his fielding? I always thought he was ok when I saw him
   189. cardsfanboy Posted: August 05, 2022 at 07:31 PM (#6090203)
And a related question how has he gone from being a terrible defensive player to a not so bad defensive player?


By reference he was never terrible except his first two season, most people think three year average is more indicative of where you are defensively, and if you look at it through that lens, using reference his best stretch was his peak youth years (23-25) after that he's been average to slightly below average. Fangraphs has him as nothing but a bad fielder for most of his career with his best three year average being ages 23-25 also. He's been a pretty consistent -5 run fielder for the past 5 seasons (exclude 2020...but from 2016-2022 he was -4.2 or worse 5 out of 7 years, and 2020 he only played 38 games so nobody is going to pay attention to those numbers.


Note: I wrote this comment about 2 hours ago and never hit submit your comment.
   190. cardsfanboy Posted: August 05, 2022 at 07:33 PM (#6090205)
What is the consensus eye test on his fielding? I always thought he was ok when I saw him


On fangraphs they have him as 55 defender on a scale of 0-100. In theory that means about average, in reality it's probably slightly below average.
   191. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: August 05, 2022 at 08:41 PM (#6090217)
Not quite as embarrassing as last night's 3-0 check swing by Arcia but WTAF was going through Cora's head sending Guillorme home down seven runs, particularly on a hard-hit line drive to Harris?

Looking again at the replay, Harris was starting his wind up *before* Guillorme had touched third base. Yeesh.
   192. cardsfanboy Posted: August 05, 2022 at 09:45 PM (#6090228)
That punch and judy hitter is just small balling his way into runs today... Single, steals second, advances on a ground out.
   193. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 05, 2022 at 09:48 PM (#6090229)
Aaron Judge with his 11th stolen base of the season, without even a throw. He has yet to be caught. Everything is going right for him so far this season. 3-1 Yankees over Cardinals in 5th.
   194. Howie Menckel Posted: August 05, 2022 at 10:28 PM (#6090237)
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   195. Walt Davis Posted: August 05, 2022 at 10:55 PM (#6090242)
Hosmer's defensive quality has always been a bone of contention. Supposedly baseball insiders considered him an excellent fielder and he did win 4 GG. Per Wiki, the sabermetric component (which I believe is DRS or close to it) was added in 2013, accounting for 25% of the vote and included on manager/coach ballots for reference but it didn't keep Hosmer from winning GGs, even in the year he was rated at -5 DRS.

As to how he went from bad to good ... who knows but as CFB notes, DRS considers him only bad in his first couple of seasons. Folks forget what a minor-league phenom he was. He was in majors very early in his age 21 season after fewer than 250 minor-league games. While young players are often defensive whizzes, I don't find it hard to believe that most HS 1B aren't quite ready for the majors defensively.

Hosmer's a guy of small flaws really. He's a perfectly fine hitter, he just hits too many GBs (without having the speed for IF hits) ... but the BA is fine, the K-rate is very good, the BB rate is average, the HR/FB is a bit above-average (but not what you want at 1B really), the EV and hard-hit % are good in the years we have them. If he was more of a FB hitter, he'd probably hit 25-30 HR a year. If he was a better defender (at 1B! Who has ever cared about 1B defense?), in line with his media/insider rep, he'd have another 5-10 WAR. Still a long way from a great player but at least he'd be the poor man's Matt Olson which is what he's been paid to be.
   196. cardsfanboy Posted: August 05, 2022 at 11:20 PM (#6090245)
Cardinals take the lead on a DeJong double 4-3 Cardinals.
   197. salvomania Posted: August 05, 2022 at 11:26 PM (#6090246)
Cardinals take the lead on a DeJong double 4-3 Cardinals.

Immediately before the hit Yanks' announcers are stupefied that the Cardinals weren't pinch-hitting for deJong.
   198. cardsfanboy Posted: August 05, 2022 at 11:27 PM (#6090247)
It's still not going to be easy, a victory has to pass through Judge.
   199. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: August 05, 2022 at 11:30 PM (#6090248)
Did you mean to post #195 here, Walt?
   200. cardsfanboy Posted: August 05, 2022 at 11:31 PM (#6090249)
Not good, man on first for Judge.
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