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101. Mayor Blomberg Posted: September 15, 2022 at 02:54 AM (#6096202)

You look at Rutschman and think, even if had been half the player he is today

But he had a short second-half in 2019 (37 games after plying for OR State. He missed 2020 for COVID. So he had one full year in the minors at AA and AAA, and another 20 games before being called up.
One "year" of the difference between him and Simmons id he was born in Feb, Simmons in Aug, so his age 24 year is Simmons's age 23 year. Nothing to be done about the COVID, and, of course, Simmons didn't go to college.

102. TomH Posted: September 15, 2022 at 06:02 AM (#6096204)

I admire your optimism, cfb :) Fangraphs gives Cards chance at the Bye to be 1 in 300. But atlleast they say Cards chance of missing the playoffs is now 1 in 1000.

103. TomH Posted: September 15, 2022 at 06:10 AM (#6096205)

Albert Pujols best comp to me is Jimmie Foxx. Or maybe a hybrid between Gehrig and Foxx.
. WAR WR<=32, >32
AP 101 . . 91 , 10
JF 096 . . 88 , 04
LG 112 . 114 , 22

On my personal all-time list, I have Gehrig and Pujols about #20 (including pitchers, NegroLeaguers, timelining, everything) and Foxx about 35.

104. TomH Posted: September 15, 2022 at 10:17 AM (#6096223)

"the Schwarber effect"
2022 NL batting splits by lineup position, per https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/split.cgi?t=b&lg=NL&year=2022

order HRrank AVGrank
. . 1 . . 5 . . . 5t
. . 2 . . 3 . . . 1
. . 3 . . 2 . . . 2
. . 4 . . 1 . . . 3
. . 5 . . 4 . . . 4
. . 6 . . 6 . . . 5t
. . 7 . . 7 . . . 7
. . 8 . . 8 . . . 8
. . 9 . . 9 . . . 9

105. salvomania Posted: September 15, 2022 at 10:31 AM (#6096229)

I admire your optimism, cfb :) Fangraphs gives Cards chance at the Bye to be 1 in 300.

Cardinals simply have to go 13-6 the rest of the way while the Mets go 7-11 and the Braves go 8-11.

12 of the Mets final 18 games are against teams that have lost (or will lose) 90+ games, and they play the Braves head-to-head three times (so one of those teams will get at least two wins there).

Braves have the tougher schedule, with those three against the Mets plus 7 more against the Phillies.

The Cardinals still have a West Coast trip with six games against the Dodgers and Padres, but do finish with 6 straight games against the Pirates.

So yeah, probably about 1 in 300.

106. salvomania Posted: September 15, 2022 at 02:32 PM (#6096281)

Lance Lynn labors through the first two innings vs. Cleveland, throwing 48 pitches, then gets through the next two in just 16 pitches.

White Sox up 5-1 through four, as the Pale Hose look to tighten the gap in the AL Central; a win gets them to within three games.

107. salvomania Posted: September 15, 2022 at 02:34 PM (#6096282)

Now 6-1 Sox as Guardian starter Hunter Gaddis has allowed 5 homers today. His nickname should be "Out Hunter" Gaddis.

108. salvomania Posted: September 15, 2022 at 02:39 PM (#6096286)

Guardian starter Hunter Gaddis has allowed 5 homers today

Apparently, it's the sixth time this year a pitcher has allowed at least 5 homers in a game; the most is 6, by the Cubs' Matt Swarmer.

In addition to another Hunter (Hunter Greene), three decent pitchers have allowed 5 in a game: Gerritt Cole, Nathan Eovaldi, and Joe Ryan.

The other guy with 5 is the Orioles' Bruce Zimmerman, who has been plagued by gopheritis all year, allowing 21 in just 73.2 ip.

109. salvomania Posted: September 15, 2022 at 03:00 PM (#6096294)

By pitching a scoreless inning, Lance Lynn has lowered his ERA to below 4.00 for the first time this year.

He was hammered in his first 7 starts--33 runs (30 earned) in 36 innings---but has been sensational in 11 starts since, with an ERA around 2.00 and a WHIP around 0.80, and a K/BB of 76/7.

110. salvomania Posted: September 15, 2022 at 03:52 PM (#6096300)

By pitching a scoreless inning, Lance Lynn has lowered his ERA to below 4.00 for the first time this year.

Lynn leaves with one out and a man on in the 7th, and the reliever allows the inherited runner to score, so Lynn finishes the game with a 3.99 ERA.

111. The Duke Posted: September 15, 2022 at 03:59 PM (#6096302)

Elvis Andrus is turning out to be one of the best deadline acquisitions even though it came in the form of a DFA pickup. The white Sox surge can more likely be attributed to him than any TLR/Cairo changes.

I still like the Guardians as the division winner but Chicago is at least making a run

112. salvomania Posted: September 15, 2022 at 04:51 PM (#6096311)

Red Sox have played 105 games against teams above .500, Dodgers have played 56.

113. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 15, 2022 at 04:54 PM (#6096312)

I admire your optimism, cfb :) Fangraphs gives Cards chance at the Bye to be 1 in 300. But atlleast they say Cards chance of missing the playoffs is now 1 in 1000.

I don't really think they are going to do it, they have to surpass two teams who have all season long played better baseball. The Cardinals have a run where they had the best record since the all star break(Dodgers now have that claim) but the Braves were right there with them.

Dodgers 38-14
Cardinals 35-15
Braves 32-17
(for fun) Phillies 31-19
Mets 31-20 (that is the top five record in the NL since the all star break)

So in 50 games, playing nearly .700 ball(.694) the Cardinals gained 2.5 and 4.5 games on the Braves/Mets...with 19(?) games to go, and needing to gain 5 and no head to head matchups against the teams they need to gain on, it's a pretty much impossibility, but until it's an actual impossibility I'm going to keep pushing for it.

114. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 15, 2022 at 04:58 PM (#6096315)

Pujols needs 14 more rbi to tie Babe Ruth for second all time, doable, but of course it's a stretch, but it's a realistic stretch.

115. The Duke Posted: September 15, 2022 at 05:05 PM (#6096316)

The race to 200 wins still looks like Scherzer's. He's at 199 but not currently pitching. Wainwright bumped himself to 195 last night and the recently returned Kershaw is at 193.

The next guys in line won't ever get to 200. You have to go all the way down to Cole at 128 to bet on someone who might actually make it

Verlander and greinke continue to head up the active leaderboards

116. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 15, 2022 at 05:44 PM (#6096327)

Watching a talkin baseball preseason bet video, and it mentioned Bobby Witt Jr. (apparently the over/under for him to hit homeruns this season was 20.5...this is a guy who had zero games in the majors coming into the season, and they made a bet on him to hit the over on a 20 hr for a season...he's currently at 20 exactly)

The thing is that I hadn't really looked him up. He has played more or less everyday for the Royals this season (132 games) has 20 homeruns and is worth .8 bWar. (104 ops+) he plays third and shortstop and his rField is -20 for the season. Just wowza.

117. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 15, 2022 at 06:28 PM (#6096334)

Nice piece of trivia (I imagine the Dodgers/Yankees might be the only teams that could rival this claim) as of Sunday, the Cardinals have played 2900 games since Yadier Molina made his MLB Debut(2004), they've been out of playoff contention 24 days in total.

118. Walt Davis Posted: September 15, 2022 at 06:52 PM (#6096340)

Oops, this is from way back in yesterday:

Met booth said that Sampson got salty because as Alonso neared second base and saw it turned foul, he completed his tour around the bases anyway.

Which was a set of questions I was going to ask. Given the possibility of replay review, is Alonso essentially required to complete his HR trot there? If he doesn't complete the trot then the call is overturned and he gets the HR, does he then have to trot it out? If he stopped his pre-replay trot at 2nd and headed off the field then the call was overturned, does he get stuck at 2nd?

Obviously if the ball was still "in play" (i.e. "double" near the line, the ump calls foul but replay might show fair) he has to continue on as if the play is live doesn't he? If the Cubs OFs stop after the foul call and he keeps trotting onto 3rd or even home, I assume the umps move him back to second ... but what if he stops at first? Do we need something like VAR in soccer where the line judge doesn't call the offsides until the play has completed then the VAR looks at it?

119. Howie Menckel Posted: September 15, 2022 at 07:02 PM (#6096345)

Mets sending out 1968 WS anthem fave Jose Feliciano to do the anthem uno momento for the Roberto Clemente Night game vs Pirates in Queens...

national TV game on Fox

ex-Clemente Award winners on the field (might have missed an early one)

Andre Thornton
Steve Garvey
Rick Sutcliffe
Dale Murphy
Dave Stewart
Harold Reynolds
Dave Winfield
Eric Davis
Al Leiter
Jim Thome
Carlos Delgado
Carlos Beltran
Jimmy Rollins
Curtis Granderson
Carlos Carrasco (pitching tonight so he was in the bullpen for the ceremony)

120. JJ1986 Posted: September 15, 2022 at 07:11 PM (#6096347)

I wouldn't guess that against-Chiefs/Chargers would be a good time to air national TV games.

121. Howie Menckel Posted: September 15, 2022 at 07:19 PM (#6096348)

I wouldn't guess that putting that NFL game (and all TNF games in 2022) only on Amazon Prime - if you're not an online shopper, sign up for I think $9 a month to get any TNF games - would be a good idea, either. yet here we are.

122. Walt Davis Posted: September 15, 2022 at 07:40 PM (#6096353)

Jose Feliciano is still alive?! Cool. Andre Thornton sighting also cool. Reminder that Carlos Beltran is a charitable dude -- can't hurt.

123. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 15, 2022 at 07:50 PM (#6096355)

Clemente Award:

Roberto Clemente Award to the player who best represents the game through extraordinary character, community involvement, philanthropy and positive contributions, both on and off the field.

Steve Garvey

Oops, swing and a miss there.

124. Walt Davis Posted: September 15, 2022 at 07:54 PM (#6096357)

Amazon Prime does have a few decent shows so it's more whether TNF is a tipping point for enough folks. It's not like folks didn't say the exact same thing about moving sports to cable and full subscription channels. And of course they were right for some of us -- I stopped seriously following the Blackhawks when they were moved to pay TV ... what was what, at least 40 years ago now?

And even if it's just, what, 18 weeks of TNF for $108, that's just $6 per game and as many people as you want to invite over can watch. Have you looked at the movie rental prices on Amazon or other services? Is $6 for 3 hours of NFL "action" really considered "expensive" by your average fan?

Get used to it. It's a gig economy which means it's a gig culture too. Everything is user fees now. Televised (and lord knows print) advertising are dead. Want to sell a product? You'll do better with a 15-second Tik Tok put together for $10,000 by a 12-year old that will then (hopefully) get exposed to millions at no cost to you than to pay millions for ad time on NBC or ESPN or Netflix. Now if they can just get BlackPink to say "TNF is cool" they'll be all set.

EDIT: Oops, seems the p should be lowercase in Blackpink. Even capitalization in the middle of made-up words is no longer cool. This world changes too fast for old farts like me.

125. Walt Davis Posted: September 15, 2022 at 08:07 PM (#6096361)

Steve Garvey

Alas, Garvey was an excellent representation of the era.

126. Howie Menckel Posted: September 15, 2022 at 08:15 PM (#6096362)

should add winner John Smoltz, who was in the TV booth for Fox.

I figured the Garvey notice would be popular here
:)

re Amazon Prime, I'm not gonna pay $6 for almost any single NFL game. if there is a good one later in the season on Thursday, I can walk to my local watering hole and see the game because NFL has a deal with DirecTV to show these. I'd rather give cash to a real human from my neighborhood than a soulless corporation.

127. The Duke Posted: September 15, 2022 at 10:35 PM (#6096378)

Reds snuff out Card rally in 9th. Most impressive play. Aquino catches deep fly ball in RF and almost guns down Edman tagging from second to third. Edman, probably top 5% sprint speed in MLB. What a cannon

128. The Duke Posted: September 16, 2022 at 03:26 PM (#6096474)

The Washington Post (saw it via Apple News) has a very depressing story up on Stephen Strausburg. TOS diagnosis is often fatal and has proved so here. Heartbreaking to hear that he can hardly use his right arm much less pitch after all those surgeries. I'm pretty sure I'd bag it if my doc told me I needed to lose a rib or two and a bunch of muscle in my neck.

Cardinals had a guy named Jamie Garcia who actually came back from TOS and for a brief moment regained his magic. It soon left him.

129. Walt Davis Posted: September 16, 2022 at 04:13 PM (#6096493)

Hopefully this article isn't just dreaming. It includes:

A study in 2017 assessed 14 MLB pitchers undergoing TOS surgery. 77% returned to MLB after an average ~ 11 months following surgery. Pre and postoperative career data showed no significant differences in traditional pitching metrics, including ERA, WHIP, and strikeout-to-walk ratios.

Obviously a 23% attrition rate isn't great but without knowing who the pitchers in the study were, I have no idea if that was the injury or that they weren't particularly good pitchers before the injury either.

Per Wiki, not diagnosed until later, JR Richard had TOS.

130. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 16, 2022 at 05:49 PM (#6096520)

Here’s WaPo article mentioned in #128 on Stephen Strasburg and thoracic outlet syndrome. Quite detailed on his situation, which looks grim although not hopeless (yet), as well as the TOS in general.

WaPo has a paywall, but I believe you still get some free articles each month (10?) before it kicks in.

131. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama

Posted: September 16, 2022 at 08:11 PM (#6096533)

TOS diagnosis is often fatal and has proved so here.

Fatal to career, not life as I read it.

132. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama

Posted: September 16, 2022 at 08:14 PM (#6096535)

Ranger Suarez must have taken off his “Squeeze Me” jersey, finally getting a makeup call on Acuna.

133. Walt Davis Posted: September 16, 2022 at 08:45 PM (#6096538)

Is there anything more aggravating than the Yankees playing smart (but petty) ball? Man on first, Rowdy Tellez hits a popup behind the mound. Yanks 3B(? who knows these days?) wisely lets it drop and tosses to second for the easy force and leaving the less-than-swift Rowdy at 1B.

134. Hombre Brotani

Posted: September 16, 2022 at 09:12 PM (#6096543)

Oneil Cruz having a nightmare inning in New York.

135. Howie Menckel Posted: September 16, 2022 at 09:35 PM (#6096546)

cue the trumpets: Mets closer Edwin Diaz was 0-for-0 in SV chances the first 15 days of September.

well-rested for a 5-out SV try tonight, and gets the 1st two quickly.
but Mets squandering opportunities so only lead, 4-3, entering the 9th.

136. Howie Menckel Posted: September 16, 2022 at 09:55 PM (#6096551)

Play of the Mets-Pirates game:

A rusty Diaz starts the 9th with a 4-pitch walk (K/BB ratio now 105/18 this year).

Pirates send in speedy scrub Greg Allen to run.

he tries to steal second, and just beats the throw.

one problem: he never tagged the bag, because Mets fielder extraordinaire Luis Guillorme made like an NHL goalie and flexed his leg to completely block the bag. safe call is overturned, and Diaz follows with a K and a (whew, to the warning track) fly out to end it.

old-timer Keith in the booth calmly notes: "That's why you slide into second feet-first, not head-first."

meaning, Guillorme doesn't fear five little fingers. but two feet full of spikes, different story.

137. ReggieThomasLives Posted: September 16, 2022 at 09:57 PM (#6096552)

Is it just me or did Apple TV hire the most attractive reporters possible for Friday Night Baseball?

I'm trying to watch this interview with Joc Pederson but can't help getting distracted by the reporters (Heidi Watney) amazing hair and whitest teeth I've ever seen.

Then they switch back to the studio and the male host is a perfectly groomed male model (Carlos Pena?). If you held a gun to my head, I couldn't pick who I would like to kiss more.

138. ReggieThomasLives Posted: September 16, 2022 at 10:05 PM (#6096556)

Is it just me or did Apple TV hire the most attractive reporters possible for Friday Night Baseball?

I'm trying to watch this interview with Joc Pederson but can't help getting distracted by the reporters (Heidi Watney) amazing hair and whitest teeth I've ever seen.

Then they switch back to the studio and the male host is a perfectly groomed male model (Carlos Pena?). If you held a gun to my head, I couldn't pick who I would like to kiss more.

Thank god for Hunter Pence to break up the never ending stream of perfectly pretty people on this broadcast.

139. Roger Cedeno's Spleen Posted: September 16, 2022 at 10:12 PM (#6096560)

Yordan Alvarez doing something special tonight. Probably 2 more AB's to do something extra special...

140. Roger Cedeno's Spleen Posted: September 16, 2022 at 10:13 PM (#6096561)

1300+ feet of HR's and counting...

141. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 16, 2022 at 10:24 PM (#6096562)

698 for Albert, ties the game up at 4, two more rbi for him also.

142. salvomania Posted: September 16, 2022 at 10:28 PM (#6096564)

698 for Albert, ties the game up at 4, two more rbi for him also.

This one tied the game, and the previous 2 put the Cardinals ahead when they were trailing. He's been hitting them at clutch moments...

143. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 16, 2022 at 10:30 PM (#6096565)

Watching the replay, and that was a mistake pitch, the catcher set up for low outside corner, and it ended up being straight down the middle (breaking ball even so it dipped into the zone.)

144. The Duke Posted: September 16, 2022 at 11:20 PM (#6096574)

Pujols misses 699 by about 3 ft. He's certainly seeing the ball well in second half.

145. The Duke Posted: September 16, 2022 at 11:24 PM (#6096575)

Reds on their 7th pitcher tonight already. Not sure how many more of their arms can pitch tonight. Yanks have already used six pitchers tonight.

This is another feature of modern baseball I don't like. I'd like to see them force starting pitchers to pitch - minimize pitching changes before the 6th inning. I hate seeing a parade of AAA relievers

146. The Duke Posted: September 16, 2022 at 11:36 PM (#6096577)

Helsley strikes out reds in the ninth on nine straight strikes, an immaculate inning as it were.

147. The Duke Posted: September 16, 2022 at 11:39 PM (#6096578)

Reds Aquino makes another amazing throw tonight to cut down a runner trying to stretch a single. He's fun to watch - looks completely effortless. When Rick ankiel did it, Rick really put his all into it. Aquino does it mostly flat footed.

148. base ball chick Posted: September 16, 2022 at 11:41 PM (#6096579)

145. The Duke Posted: September 16, 2022 at 11:24 PM (#6096575)
Reds on their 7th pitcher tonight already. Not sure how many more of their arms can pitch tonight. Yanks have already used six pitchers tonight.

This is another feature of modern baseball I don't like. I'd like to see them force starting pitchers to pitch - minimize pitching changes before the 6th inning. I hate seeing a parade of AAA relievers

- how you gonna do that? how many runs are you think they should have to give up before they are allowed to get pulled? are you gonna insist that pitchers have to finish 6 innings regardless of how many pitches they've thrown? are you going to insist that any injured starter returning to the lineup is gonna have to be a reliever before he can go back to the rotation?

cmon

149. Walt Davis Posted: September 16, 2022 at 11:56 PM (#6096583)

So ... I don't think anybody else has mentioned but Willy Adames hit his 29th HR of the season as a SS, tying Robin Yount's team record.

Also the Yanks forgot to include the replay umps in this week's bribes. One of the worst calls you'll ever see at 1B -- Yelich beat that throw by about 2 feet -- but it was correctly overturned on review.

Yanks waste no time tying it up in the 9th on a Donaldson HR.

150. Howie Menckel Posted: September 16, 2022 at 11:58 PM (#6096584)

MIL SP Hauser threw 85 pitches tonight - in 3 innings!

meanwhile, NYY-MIL game shows that for all its flaws, replay can be a good thing.

blind ump punches out the runner at first for an inning-ending DP, bottom 8 in a 5-5 game.
error of the call was blatantly obvious in real time.
quick review, bad call erased, and MIL goes ahead 6-5 on an infield hit (for the moment ruled an error, but likely will be changed later).

MIL fighting for its postseason efforts, don't need a pitiful call at first to get in the way. if they lose tonight, they lose - but not in part off that blunder.

UPDATE: ah, NYY ties it up. so be it.

151. The Duke Posted: September 16, 2022 at 11:58 PM (#6096585)

There are a lot of ways to do it. I think my view would be no more than 2 pitchers through 5 or 3 through 6. Something like that. I doubt the injury thing would come up much and you could simply have the opposing team waive it if there's a good faith injury. You can have a ten run rule that allows for more in a blowout

I simply want to stop the parade of relievers / bullpen games

They already have the three batter rule - it's just an extension of that logic. That rule has been excellent at stopping the same issue in the later innings.

152. Walt Davis Posted: September 17, 2022 at 12:01 AM (#6096586)

Brewers pitching coach out to the mound to tell Taylor Rogers it might be a good idea to throw them a pitch that's at least a bit difficult to hit.

153. The Duke Posted: September 17, 2022 at 12:04 AM (#6096587)

Seven pitchers for both yanks and brewers and still in regulation time - good game. HP UMP just gave a gift to Mil and Aaron Boone gets tossed between innings

154. The Duke Posted: September 17, 2022 at 12:10 AM (#6096588)

I've seen a number of games recently where players are asked to make a sac bunt. No one can do it anymore - very rare to get one down these days. Wong just failed on one

155. Walt Davis Posted: September 17, 2022 at 12:11 AM (#6096589)

To be clear, the Duke picked a bad example for his rant. Montas made it through 18 batters, giving up 4 H including a HR and 4 BB and K'ing just 2, charged with 4 runs. His replacement promptly gave up hits to 2 of the first 3 guys he faced. This turned a 5-0 game into a 5-5 game through 4. Of course it got to 5-0 because Houser gave up 7 hits and 4 BB (but no HR for you fans of action) to the 20 batters (1 K) he faced.

But sure, the Yanks are guilty of 3 mid-inning changes including two in that 4th inning and the Brewers of one. That's aggravating. Still, the Brewers pen has (so far) thrown 6 innings with 1 R, 4 H, 2 BB and 10 Ks so it's difficult to argue the outcome. The Yanks are up to 5 IP, 2 R, 5 H, 2 BB and 7 Ks.

156. The Duke Posted: September 17, 2022 at 12:12 AM (#6096590)

I was referring to the Cards - Reds game where the reds threw a different pitcher every inning

157. The Duke Posted: September 17, 2022 at 12:14 AM (#6096591)

HP ump squeezes Holmes - all of those could be strikes. Boones rant didn't help him there

158. Walt Davis Posted: September 17, 2022 at 12:21 AM (#6096592)

Active position player leaders in SHs

Andrus 103 (2nd to Kershaw)
A Escobar 87
DeShields 49 (is he still active?)
Hamilton 44
Fowler 43 (definitely not actually active)
Yadi 43
Marwin 38
DJ> 36
L Garcia 35
R Perez 35
Lindor 31 (! suspect a fair number of hit attemtps there)

That's everybody with 30+. Wong has 22 so you're not gonna find many more experienced bunters than him.

159. Walt Davis Posted: September 17, 2022 at 12:22 AM (#6096593)

Brewers win.

160. The Duke Posted: September 17, 2022 at 12:25 AM (#6096594)

Great game. Maybe the brewers best this year - continue to pressure the other wild card teams but their division hopes are almost gone. I continue to think Stearns/Counsell are the best GM//Manager combo in baseball. A team of no names, has beens and second stringers that ober perform every year.

161. Howie Menckel Posted: September 17, 2022 at 12:28 AM (#6096595)

last I noticed I think Mets C Nido has 12 or 12 sac bunts this year. his form is excellent.

more importantly, in spite of hitting his first 2 HR of the year this week, he's basically an offensive cipher.

I don't want Lindor bunting, period.

162. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2022 at 01:10 AM (#6096598)

Didn't watch the game watching the highlights, and that play by Arenado is just utterly ridiculous.

163. TomH Posted: September 17, 2022 at 12:36 PM (#6096619)

perspective: Pujols had those who claimed his age was off, perhaps by a year. If this were true, he currently would be setting MLB records for a 43-yr old (his listed age is 42). His 19th home run passed Fisk's total of 18.

164. sunday silence (again) Posted: September 17, 2022 at 01:11 PM (#6096623)

Fatal to career, not life as I read it.

Going from memory when Wayne Simpson had it in the mid 70s I think it actually was life threatening. This was at some pt. when he was in the Mexican league if I recall.

165. The Duke Posted: September 17, 2022 at 01:45 PM (#6096626)

Last night Gio Gallegos struck out the last Reds batter in the 8th on three straight strikes. Helsely came in and had an immaculate inning and today Dakota hudson got the first batter on three straight strikes.

15 straight strikes - that must be close to a record

166. sunday silence (again) Posted: September 17, 2022 at 02:20 PM (#6096628)

this is from Walt's post 14, I think

Leading to the nerd question whether FIP needs to be tweaked at the extremes to allow for diminishing returns in some sort of K/HR sense. (Now that I think of it, FIP is largely about the K/HR ratio although that's not officially part of it. Just wild speculation on my part.)

I'm not sure I understand the entirety of what you're saying about "diminishing returns" but I would say this: aren't all peripheral stats suspect at the extremes? It seems to me anyhow. Like look at:

BaBIP
Catcher framing (not sure if its peripheral but lets throw it in)
pythagorean "wins"
FIP

when things are normal, players perform normally, etc. these metrics provoke a "hmm that's interesting." But when dealing with extremes in performance then there's no telling what these are measuring if anything. Hence they are useless since predictors are there to measure variances from the mean. Anyhow that's my conjecture.

anyhow here's something tangentialy related: the story suggests that FIP has only become meaningful since the rise of TTOs:

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/11/9/3617554/fip-era-gaps-history-baseball-pitching-statistics-sabermetrics

167. The Duke Posted: September 17, 2022 at 03:11 PM (#6096634)

Cards Hudson leading 5-0 through 6 on 80 pitches. Has a shot for a CG which is good on DH day.

168. Walt Davis Posted: September 17, 2022 at 04:00 PM (#6096641)

Yes, nearly all stats fail at the theoretical extremes (e.g. Bonds' OPS would be lower if we just walked him every time). I'm wondering if FIP needs tweaking at empirical extremes for the current high-K relievers. "Diminishing returns" in the sense that maybe K'ing 15/9 doesn't reduce scoring very much relative to 13.5 K/9. Or maybe returns go up because if you're K'ing 13.5/9 then you give up so litle contact that BBs and singles rarely hurt you.

Just speculation cuz I'd just looked at a bunch of relievers with FIPs of like 1.47 but ERAs of 2.25. Now if those are all balanced by guys with 1.47 FIPs and ERAs of 0.6 then all is good enough.

169. Walt Davis Posted: September 17, 2022 at 04:06 PM (#6096642)

In the it's all downhill from here dept

Cubs' rookie pitcher Hayden Wesneski (the return for Scott Effross) had his first start today, shutting out the Rox through 6 with 2 H, no BB, 6 Ks and just 69 pitches. This brings his season total to 14.2 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 2 BB and 17 K. On the mound in the 7th, starts with a bloop, opp field ground-rule double down the line.

170. Walt Davis Posted: September 17, 2022 at 04:13 PM (#6096643)

And little league defense from the Cubs ties the game. Man on 3rd, 1-out, 1-0. High-hopper to 2B, McKinstry comes in, really has not much hope of the play at the plate and double-clutches the throw and still makes the throw, gets away, bangs off the brick wall where McKinstry fields it (don't see a guy track down his own throw very often), Brewer batter hung up between first and second but, instead of running at the runner to get him into a run down he throws to second, runner heads easily back to 1B so Morel fires it that direction and the ball gets away again (no advance). So that's three ill-advised throws on one play with two of them getting away (but causing no harm).

171. Walt Davis Posted: September 17, 2022 at 04:17 PM (#6096645)

Wesneski does get out of it with no further damage. He did nothing wrong this inning -- 3 weak contacts, some bad luck, some bad defense (and one very nice play by Rivas), now around 90 pitches I assume he's done for the day.

172. Walt Davis Posted: September 17, 2022 at 04:18 PM (#6096646)

And now a Dinelson Lamet sighting.

173. bobm Posted: September 17, 2022 at 07:32 PM (#6096658)

From yesterday's Mets-Pirates game:

"Everyone was watching Eduardo Escobar dash home in the 3rd, but did you notice Ke'Bryan Hayes eating sunflower seeds during the play? @Todd_Zeile on Mets Post Game:"

174. Howie Menckel Posted: September 17, 2022 at 07:48 PM (#6096659)

Steve Gelbs
@SteveGelbs
·
21h
The Mets are now 91-55. The 91 wins is the most by a Mets team since the 2006 team won 97.

MOST METS WINS
1986 - 108*
1969 - 100*
1988 - 100
1985 - 98
1999 - 97
2006 - 97
2000 - 94
1987 - 92
2022 - 91 and counting!
1990 - 91
1984 - 90
2015 - 90

* - won World Series

4 of the 12 came in 1985-88, and another in 1990.
zero from 1970-85, between their 2 WS titles

175. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 17, 2022 at 07:59 PM (#6096660)

Marwin Gonzalez has to leave Yankees @ Brewers game in 3rd inning, after being hit in face while standing in the middle of the left-handed batter’s box by catcher’s return throw to pitcher. Very expansive use of catcher’s throwing lane. Might need to make that a HBP as a deterrent to such sloppy play.

176. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 17, 2022 at 08:06 PM (#6096663)

Aaron Judge doubles in 3rd to give him a .312 batting average, trailing only Bogaerts at .315 & Arraez at .317. The Triple Crown remains a real possibility.

177. TomH Posted: September 17, 2022 at 08:40 PM (#6096674)

YClapper, did you see Fangraphs article running simulations on the Triple Crown chances of Judge and Goldy?

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/how-likely-is-a-triple-crown-winner-this-season/

They had it about 4% as of yesterday. Which is less than the odds they give of the Blue Jays overtaking the Yankees for the division (5% as of this moment, with Yankee game tonight not concluded).

PS - I estimated 5% for each TC possibility here a few days ago, with many fewer tools than FG used :)

178. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 17, 2022 at 09:08 PM (#6096682)

I’d put Judge’s chances a bit higher because he’s been on such a hot streak since the All-Star break. Maybe long enough to be more of a 2nd half baseline than just a streak, but, of course, that’s hardly guaranteed. Still not easy by any means, but I’d give Judge more like a 10% chance.

179. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2022 at 09:17 PM (#6096685)

I’d put Judge’s chances a bit higher because he’s been on such a hot streak since the All-Star break.

Yep, even though we can't predict a hot streak, it still seems like something is happening that is legit and sustainable (not at the same level, but his true level had to have gone up.)

180. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2022 at 09:19 PM (#6096687)

Quintana with a gem of a game that is wasted by the Cardinals faltering offense. Quintana's line 2 hits, 0 walks, 6 strikeouts 8 complete innings and 104 pitches.

Edman got two of the Cardinals four hits, (Burleson and Dickerson with the other two, and Dickerson had another that should have been overturned on replay but wasn't)

181. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2022 at 09:22 PM (#6096688)

Edman might up that War with todays performance so far 5 for 8 with two stolen base, (alas only one double play that he participated in)

182. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2022 at 09:25 PM (#6096689)

Donovan walked in the bottom of the 8th inning with two outs, that is the first walk by either team this game.

183. Howie Menckel Posted: September 17, 2022 at 09:46 PM (#6096695)

4th Golden Sombrero in 75 games tonight for PIT giant SS Oneil Cruz.

184. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2022 at 10:02 PM (#6096699)

Reds manage to not score a run with the ghost runner, Cardinals sac bunt on the first pitch to put a man on third.

185. TomH Posted: September 17, 2022 at 10:02 PM (#6096700)

wow, Oneil Cruz; what a combo of huge strengths and big weaknesses.

someone postulate a comp
so we can argue about it :)

186. TomH Posted: September 17, 2022 at 10:06 PM (#6096702)

Most guys lower their career batting avg as they age
Some lower it a LOT

Freddie Freeman was hitting .285 thru age 25, but keeps pulling it up. He is on the doorstep of .300.
Only 5 active players have a .300 career avg.

187. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2022 at 10:08 PM (#6096704)

someone postulate a comp
so we can argue about it :)

Joey Gallo.

188. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2022 at 10:10 PM (#6096705)

Argh.... Cardinals can't score in the 10th, going to the 11th.

189. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2022 at 10:27 PM (#6096708)

Sweep, gain a half game on both the Mets and Braves.

190. The Duke Posted: September 17, 2022 at 11:10 PM (#6096724)

Cardinals Knizner makes a great heads up running play. Cards have bases loaded nobody out in 11th. Knizner is runner on third leading off well into foul territory. Goldschmidt hits a screamer to 3rd that the 3rd basemen has to half dive for. No chance for triple play so only play is at home. Knizner off on contact looks back and makes a bee line about five feet left from 3 ft in foul territory to two feet into fair territory and keeps running towards home. Third baseman from his knees fires it home and hits Knizner in his elbow. Ball rolls away. Cards win

David Bell and reds catcher go ballistic but I believe what he did was ok. It wasn't a tag play and I think he has a right to make his own running path and he's within 3 ft of the foul line.

191. The Duke Posted: September 17, 2022 at 11:12 PM (#6096726)

Is O'Neil Cruz someone similar to Eric Davis ?

192. Howie Menckel Posted: September 17, 2022 at 11:17 PM (#6096728)

Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
·
1h
Congratulations to the New York Mets, who were just hit by their 100th pitch of the season.

It's the fifth-highest total in modern Major League history (since 1900), and with 15 games to go, the Mets stand an excellent chance to set the modern record.

Mets HBP leaders:

1. Mark Canha, 21
2. Brandon Nimmo, 16
3. Starling Marte, 13
4. Pete Alonso, 11
5-t. Francisco Lindor, 10
5-t. Jeff McNeil, 10

193. Mike A Posted: September 17, 2022 at 11:44 PM (#6096734)

And the Braves cross my 'good season no matter what' threshold of 90 wins. Unfortunately, they lose Albies right as he gets back with a fractured finger. Sheesh. Hard to believe the Braves have won 90 with relatively minor contributions from Acuna and Albies.

194. Hombre Brotani

Posted: September 18, 2022 at 12:17 AM (#6096737)

Ohtani goes 7 IP, 3 hits, 1 walk, 8 Ks, 0 runs.
Ohtani goes 1-3, walk, double, RBI, run scored.

195. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 18, 2022 at 12:29 AM (#6096739)

Minnesota @ Cleveland in the 15th inning, tied 6-6.

196. Booey Posted: September 18, 2022 at 01:46 AM (#6096743)

Ohtani should have 3 more starts, right?

He needs 14 more IP to put up the first season ever that qualifies for both the batting title and the ERA title*. Also needs 2 wins for 15 and 4 pitching k's for 200.

* At least by today's standards; not sure if Ruth's 382 PA's in 1918 were considered enough at the time. B-Ref shows he's credited with leading the league in SLG, so...maybe?

197. sunday silence (again) Posted: September 18, 2022 at 05:31 AM (#6096744)

it was a shortened season but even at 126 games you'd need 390 AB at 3.1 AB/game perhaps they added 8 AB to this total?

198. TomH Posted: September 18, 2022 at 05:42 AM (#6096745)

The "3.1 PA per G" rule of today was not always the standard. At times it was 100 games played, and others 400 AB. Leagues differed at one point.

https://www.sports-reference.com/blog/baseball-reference-faqs/

"Prior to 1920, a player must have appeared in 60% of the team's games to qualify for a title.
From 1920-1944, a player must have appeared in 100 games, unless it is the 1938 AL. That year Jimmie Foxx (.349 in 149 games) was awarded the batting title over Taffy Wright (.350 in 100 games) for that season I used 101 games as the cutoff. Fair? Probably not.
From 1945-1956, a player must have 2.6 at bats per team game. Note however, that from 1951-1954 a player could lead if they still led after the necessary number of hitless at bats were added to their at bat total.
From 1957 to the present, a player must have 3.1 plate appearances per team game. Note however, that from 1967 to the present a player could lead if they still led after the necessary number of hitless plate appearances were added to their at bat total.
From 2012 to the present, the Melky Cabrera rule was put in effect. No player suspended for a violation of the MLB drug policy may add hitless AB's to their totals to reach the minimum required PA's."

199. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 18, 2022 at 09:40 AM (#6096749)

Cardinals Knizner makes a great heads up running play. Cards have bases loaded nobody out in 11th. Knizner is runner on third leading off well into foul territory. Goldschmidt hits a screamer to 3rd that the 3rd basemen has to half dive for. No chance for triple play so only play is at home. Knizner off on contact looks back and makes a bee line about five feet left from 3 ft in foul territory to two feet into fair territory and keeps running towards home. Third baseman from his knees fires it home and hits Knizner in his elbow. Ball rolls away. Cards win

David Bell and reds catcher go ballistic but I believe what he did was ok. It wasn't a tag play and I think he has a right to make his own running path and he's within 3 ft of the foul line.

MLB even wrote an article on it.

Bell's after game response.

Reds manager David Bell admitted that the heady baserunning play by the Cardinals was a good one, saying: “My understanding is that it was unfortunate [for the Reds] but a good play [by Knizner], and it was legal.”

And Cardinals comments

“That’s textbook, to be honest with you,” said Marmol, whose Cardinals swept the doubleheader over the Reds on Saturday. “It’s something that we review and is talked about. For [Knizner] to pull it off, that’s the perfect play.

And from the article.

Nick Senzel snagged the ground ball, but his throwing lane home was smaller than normal with Knizner in the way -- one reason why the Cardinals teach that tactic to their baserunners.

200. Howie Menckel Posted: September 18, 2022 at 11:03 AM (#6096752)

so it WAS a smart play.

but is there a practical way for MLB to amend the rule? not sure

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