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   1. The Duke Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:35 AM (#6096857)
Ben Clemens has an article up that forecasts out Judges HR totals and 73 is a non-zero chance. I'd love to see him make a run
   2. rossderi Posted: September 19, 2022 at 02:01 PM (#6096889)
Metal Anahtarlık, Makrome ve Örgü Tığı - 5 mm - 15cm. eğer ilk defa makrome yapacaksanız bu modeller başlayabilirsiniz. Keçe anahtarlık modelleri, keçe videoları, keçeyle ilgili ne varsa, anlatımlı yöntemlerle 10marifet. kendin yap videoları ile birbirinden güzel ve k. 60 cm uzunluğunda 3 adet ip keselim. Tıkla en güzel Anahtarlık Modelleri den sipariş ver. Sizlere keyifli örgü saatleri diliyorum. Makrome belli bir noktada sabit kalarak atılan dekoratif düğmelerle yapılan bir el işi sanatıdır. com'da! Makrome Anahtarlık modellerinin ürün ve yorumlarını karşılaştır, en uygun fiyatını . 13 TL İstanbul Toptan Ticaret. Anahtar klipsi rahat örebileceğiniz bir yere sabitleyin ve 4 …. makrome #yıldızanahtarlık #star Uzun bir aradan sonra, yine sizlere çok istenen bir model olan yıldız Makrome anahtarlık. Etiketli Jelatin Poşette Yaprak Model Makrome Anahtarlık. Makrome Anahtarlık
   3. Cris E Posted: September 19, 2022 at 02:16 PM (#6096898)
Ooh I so want that to be about a Finnish death metal band doing a late summer tour of North American minor league parks playing the national anthem and a small collection of baseball covers. But it's probably about shoes or something crappy.
   4. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 19, 2022 at 02:41 PM (#6096903)
Link to the FanGraphs’ Judge article mentioned in #1. The chances of Judge hitting 73 HRs this season are calculated to be .08%, so yeah, not [quite] zero.

The article makes a great effort to calculate where #s 60, 61 & 62 might occur, without noting that, assuming Judge does break the AL record, his final HR, not necessarily #62, will be the most historic one. My bet is that occurs in Texas on 10/4, with BDC catching #65, possibly on the bounce, while standing in a beer line.
   5. Howie Menckel Posted: September 19, 2022 at 02:59 PM (#6096905)
Much discussion the past week in the Mets TV booth over how much, if any, celebrating the Mets will do when they clinch a postseason berth given that the race for the NL East title is so close.

they will clinch with a win in Milwaukee tonight, or Tuesday, or Wednesday.

question is along the "act like you've been there before" school of thought.

of course, in 60 years the Mets have only "been there before" - postseason - 9 times and not since 2016, so....

DeGrom and Nimmo were "there" in regular season 2016, but did not appear in the postseason. deGrom was a member of the 2015 NL pennant winners.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: September 19, 2022 at 03:43 PM (#6096910)
I hear that Makrome Anahtarlik has electric stuff. I'm surprised he didn't make an AFL roster but I guess the 72.1 IP he's thrown already this year are his limit. Should be in the majors no later than 2024. They say his 4-seamer sits at 99, peaks around 103 and a spin rate on his slider that makes a gyroscope feel dizzy.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: September 19, 2022 at 03:49 PM (#6096911)
#5: it seems to me these have been quite muted. Everybody's gotta wear a t-shirt of course so MLB can make a few extra bucks (these will be heavily discounted later) and I think there's usually some perfunctory "Official celbration champagne of the NY Mets" spraying. But it's a subdued "they're making us do this, we have bigger fish to fry" celebration.
   8. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 19, 2022 at 03:53 PM (#6096913)
Overlooked due to other achievements yesterday, at least by me, Juan Soto homered for the Padres, breaking a tie with Orlando Cepeda (122), and moving into 8th place on the Age-23 HR Leaderboard. Next up, Ted Williams at 127.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: September 19, 2022 at 04:14 PM (#6096915)
From near the end of last week's chatter, about Knizner's baserunning while heading home

but is there a practical way for MLB to amend the rule? not sure

Add a lane similar to the one going to 1B. It would also clearly define what "path" the C has to leave open for the runner. Once the C has the ball, the runner can go whatever direction he wants or arguably say the rule is only in effect for force plays at home. There's the annoying practical concern that ever slide at home (much more often than 1B) will wipe out the line in the dirt but you can probably ignore it anyway once the runner reaches the dirt.

Comps for Oneil Cruz ... Tony Batista with a much higher K-rate. Really his season is reasonably similar to Javy Baez's rookie year except that Beaz's BABIP was just 248 (career 330). We don't have EV for Javy's rookie year but the next year (in not many PA) he matched Cruz's 92.7 and he's had full seasons of 91 and 92. The K-rate also suggests Jose Hernandez although presumably Cruz hits the ball much harder than Jose did. If you want to expand beyond IFs, then it's Wily Mo
   10. salvomania Posted: September 19, 2022 at 04:29 PM (#6096916)
With Luis Arraez's 1-for-4 today, he drops behind Bogaerts in the AL batting race, with both Bogaerts's and Judge's teams having off days today.

.31641 Bogaerts
.31621 Arraez
.31619 Judge
   11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 19, 2022 at 05:12 PM (#6096922)
Some batting average splits (don’t believe todays game is included) for those listed in #10:

Post All-Star Game: Judge .374, Bogaerts .317, Arraez .284
September: Judge .491, Bogaerts .392, Arraez .306
Last 30 Days: Judge .420, Bogaerts .400, Arraez .252
Last 15 Days: Judge .500, Bogaerts .314, Arraez .314
Last 7 Days: Judge .550, Arraez .348, Bogaerts .235

If being hot helps, Judge is looking pretty good.
   12. Mayor Blomberg Posted: September 19, 2022 at 05:48 PM (#6096926)
Turk Wendell knows all about #2.
   13. Walt Davis Posted: September 19, 2022 at 06:06 PM (#6096929)
What's the rule these days on when a caught flyball becomes an out? It used to be at the point of transfer -- you could drop it during the transfer but not before. But I think that was changed a long time ago and the transfer wasn't part of the rule anymore. Asking because Seattle CF raced back to make a nice catch, ball seemed firmly in his glove and "under control" then he hit the wall and it came loose. Ruled not an out on the field and Seattle didn't object (is it reviewable?). At real speed, I'm not sure it was even a second between catch and hitting the wall but the replay made it clear (to these eyes) that he wasn't bobbling the ball, it was squarely in the glove.
   14. Howie Menckel Posted: September 19, 2022 at 06:10 PM (#6096930)
only 3 players left in NL batting title chase:

Freeman, LAD .331
Goldschmidt, STL .322
McNeil, NYM .320

only other NL player at .300 is TTurner at .304

oddly, only one NL OF is hitting above .275 - that's SMarte, NYM, at .292 and on IL so that (meaningless) race is over
:)
   15. stanmvp48 Posted: September 19, 2022 at 06:42 PM (#6096935)
I was 10 years old when Maris hit 61 in 1961. People the age I am now (71) were born in 1890 and remembered the entire history of the American League. In fact Ruth's 60 home run season seemed very recent to them. 34 years: as close to them as Kirk Gibson's homer off Eckersley is to us.
   16. HBO disappeared Oscar Posted: September 19, 2022 at 06:58 PM (#6096936)
So what's the story on Javy Baez' defense? His offense getting worse because he doesn't know what a strike is didn't surprise me but his defense getting worse pretty quickly didn't anticipate. Figured that would age pretty well.
   17. HBO disappeared Oscar Posted: September 19, 2022 at 07:05 PM (#6096937)
Final season line for Jackson Chourio, 2023 starting Brewer cf (well, in my world. Prob not in Stearns)

.288/.342/.538 across 3 leagues (A, high A, AA)

55 extra base hits including 20 dingers. 16-4 on steal attempts. K/BB not great 118/32

He turns 19 next March.
   18. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 19, 2022 at 07:34 PM (#6096945)
I was 10 years old when Maris hit 61 in 1961. People the age I am now (71) were born in 1890 and remembered the entire history of the American League. In fact Ruth's 60 home run season seemed very recent to them.

Same here; it’s hard to fathom. When I was in my early 20s. I worked with a guy who had been a fan of the second As dynasty. That seemed way long before but not 1890s long ago.

Before I was 10, my sixtyish neighbor gave me a few old stamps; a couple of them were on postcards addressed to his aunt who lived with him — they were from the chicago exposition from 1893. Way cool but unfortunately they have no real value.
   19. HBO disappeared Oscar Posted: September 19, 2022 at 08:00 PM (#6096951)
Vogelbach with some applause coming to the plate.

This moment will always live with Crew fans
   20. HBO disappeared Oscar Posted: September 19, 2022 at 08:35 PM (#6096964)
Alonso looks awful one pitch and then cranks a change for a 3 run dinger

   21. Howie Menckel Posted: September 19, 2022 at 08:57 PM (#6096971)
deGrom whiffed 13 in first 5 IP last night.
Mad Max returned tonight to whiff 8 of his first 15 batters - all of whom have made outs.

more than halfway to a perfecto. but Mets said beforehand they will go "load management" in his return, so maybe 6 innings, I suspect.

UPDATE: damn, 54 pitches in 5 innings to dispatch the postseason-contending Brewers in their barn. maybe he also gets the 7th - and then if it's any manager but Showalter, he might have to pry the ball from Max's cold, dead fingers....
   22. HBO disappeared Oscar Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:07 PM (#6096973)
Burnes ERA since break twice what it was before.
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:09 PM (#6096974)

more than halfway to a perfecto. but Mets said beforehand they will go "load management" in his return, so maybe 6 innings, I suspect.


54 pitches through 5 innings, he's doing what he needs to be doing to be given a chance.
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:09 PM (#6096975)
Back to back triples by the Mets, not something that is common.
   25. The Duke Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:21 PM (#6096978)
A perfect game would be a nice way to earn win 200
   26. cardsfanboy Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:23 PM (#6096980)
68 pitches after 6 innings.
   27. Howie Menckel Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:25 PM (#6096981)
18 up, 18 down, finishes his night - the TV booth speculates - with another K.

deGrom poker-faced in the dugout, maybe thinking, "ok, yeah, he's pretty good also."
lol

with a 5-0 lead and a rested 'pen, this should be Max's long-awaited 200th win as he joins Greinke and Verlander among active Ps.

next up, 125 W minimum (age):

Adam Wainwright (40) 195
Clayton Kershaw (34) 193
David Price (36) 157 (and about to retire)

Johnny Cueto (36) 142
Madison Bumgarner (32) 133
Gerrit Cole (31) 129

UNDER AGE 30 LEADER is Aaron Nola, with 76
   28. Hombre Brotani Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:26 PM (#6096983)
Scherzer done after 6 perfect innings. I wonder if he's seething that he can't keep going.
   29. HBO disappeared Oscar Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:31 PM (#6096985)
This seems overthink to me. Scherzer is old enough to know his body/arm/shoulder.

He's crushing my team, but it's awesome to watch
   30. NaOH Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:36 PM (#6096987)
Might as well take all the Scherzer talk to the Kershaw thread from April.
   31. cardsfanboy Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:41 PM (#6096989)
First batter not facing Scherzer ends it.
   32. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:49 PM (#6096990)
I get protecting Scherzer, but after 68 pitches? Let his pitch to contact and see if he can get through under 100.
   33. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:50 PM (#6096991)
First batter not facing Scherzer ends it.

Perfecto ended as soon as Scherzer left. If it's not a SHO it can't be a perfect game.
   34. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:51 PM (#6096993)
Funny thing is they let deGrom throw 101 pitches on Sunday.
   35. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:52 PM (#6096994)
I was 10 years old when Maris hit 61 in 1961. People the age I am now (71) were born in 1890 and remembered the entire history of the American League. In fact Ruth's 60 home run season seemed very recent to them.
I was 11, and at the time thought 1927 was long ago. I grew up in the Finger Lakes area in a small town mostly surrounded by hills (the creatively named East Hill, West Hill & South Hill), which meant that most people couldn’t get the over-the-air broadcast TV channels from Syracuse or Binghamton, so there was a primitive cable company that brought them to town. With great timing, WPIX, the Yankees then flagship station, was added to the system in 1961, and I was able to watch that historic season. It really can’t be that long ago, can it?

Judge making a run at the Maris mark 61 years after Roger set it must be a sign from the Baseball Gods, eh?
   36. HBO disappeared Oscar Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:57 PM (#6096997)
Have a bet with a guy that Tellez would hit 35 or more home runs this season. I figured regular playing time, he's got the power, the park favors lefty power so why not? Dude is getting super nervous because like too many guys he made growing an obnoxious beard some kind of mission once COVID hit. And the bet is he wins I pay him $500. I win he has to shave the beard at a barber shop with me taking the video.

So you go Mr Tellez. Make me proud
   37. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 19, 2022 at 09:57 PM (#6096998)
I was 11, and at the time thought 1927 was long ago.

Well when I was 5-10, WW2 seemed like the ancient past (even though we were surrounded by veterans). Now the Reagan administration is farther in the past. Growing old sucks, but it beats the hell out of the alternative.
   38. Hombre Brotani Posted: September 19, 2022 at 10:06 PM (#6097001)
This seems overthink to me. Scherzer is old enough to know his body/arm/shoulder.
I just figured that if there's one guy who might seethe over this, it's Scherzer. The guy is a maniac, but also knows what the endgame is.
   39. Howie Menckel Posted: September 19, 2022 at 10:20 PM (#6097003)
Well when I was 5-10, WW2 seemed like the ancient past (even though we were surrounded by veterans).

really?

I'm not THAT much older than you, but as previously has been noted, my father flew 35 missions over Germany in WW II as a B-17 bombardier. I didn't think THAT was the ancient past growing up.

my maternal "grandfather" was born in 1870 - "quotes" because pretty much no one born that year would have lived to be 100 as required for me to remember the guy very well (he died long before I was born).

not quite the "President John Tyler descendants" rabbit hole, admittedly.

:)

(Tyler was born in 1790, not a typo, and his last living grandson - yes, really - is 93 years old at last check)
   40. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: September 19, 2022 at 10:23 PM (#6097004)
Three more outs to go.
   41. stanmvp48 Posted: September 19, 2022 at 10:55 PM (#6097011)
There were people in the stands the day of Mazeroski's Home Run who remembered Honus Wagner
   42. TomH Posted: September 20, 2022 at 07:13 AM (#6097024)
despite the Yankees late-season troubles, they still owned the best Pythag WPCT, or best runs scored to runs allowed ratio, in the AL.
Until Sunday night. Now the Astros have passed them.
   43. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 20, 2022 at 09:18 AM (#6097029)
There were people in the stands the day of Mazeroski's Home Run who remembered Honus Wagner.

Wagner's last game was in 1917, 43 years before Maz's home run. I'm sure millions of fans today remember Lou Brock and Catfish Hunter, who retired in 1979.
   44. stanmvp48 Posted: September 20, 2022 at 09:39 AM (#6097030)
When Armstrong walked on the moon, Lindbergh's solo flight seemed like ancient history to me. However, a zillion people remembered it (just 42 years). Hey, there may have been people around in 69 who remembered the Wright Brothers
   45. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2022 at 10:06 AM (#6097033)
(Tyler was born in 1790, not a typo, and his last living grandson - yes, really - is 93 years old at last check)
Is his wife expecting?
   46. stanmvp48 Posted: September 20, 2022 at 11:04 AM (#6097042)
Oliver Wendell Holmes who as a young man knew people who remembered the American Revolution served on the Supreme Court unitl 1932
Harold Ickes, FDR's Secretary of the Interior, was born in 1874. His son who worked for Bill Clinton is still alive
   47. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 20, 2022 at 11:09 AM (#6097044)

really?

I'm not THAT much older than you, but as previously has been noted, my father flew 35 missions over Germany in WW II as a B-17 bombardier. I didn't think THAT was the ancient past growing up.


I knew plenty of WW2 vets, but they really didn't talk about it, and they seemed very old to a 5 year old. They were my grandparents generation. It wasn't that long ago in reality, but it seems that way to a kid. It's just like most 20-30 y.o.s. today have no real sense of the Cold War.
   48. rossderi Posted: September 20, 2022 at 12:02 PM (#6097048)
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   49. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 20, 2022 at 01:19 PM (#6097056)
With Luis Arraez's 1-for-4 today, he drops behind Bogaerts in the AL batting race, with both Bogaerts's and Judge's teams having off days today.
Well, that’s what I thought, too, and I even watched the last inning or so of the game just to check on Arraez’s batting average, and I’m pretty sure I glanced at the ESPN boxscore right after the game, showing him 1-for-4, and batting .316. So, I was somewhat surprised that Arraez was still leading the league today with a .317 batting average, according to multiple sources. Looks like SS Jermaine Polacio came off the bench to pitch for the Twins with 2 out in the 8th & Cleveland leading 11-4, and was also slotted into the DH role to take Arraez’s last at bat. Apparently, no one caught it in the broadcast booth or maybe the entire press box, which seems unusual.
   50. salvomania Posted: September 20, 2022 at 02:06 PM (#6097069)
Well, that’s what I thought, too, and I even watched the last inning or so of the game just to check on Arraez’s batting average, and I’m pretty sure I glanced at the ESPN boxscore right after the game, showing him 1-for-4, and batting .316.

That is weird---I posted that comment after the game ended, and the box score showed a 1-for-4.

Now MLB.com shows a 1-for-3 (with Palacio getting the fourth AB) in yesterday's game.

(before going to mlb.com I went to check bb-ref's "Game Logs" for Arraez, but they haven't been updated yet---which seems odd, given it's 2pm EDT and they're usually up-to-date before 10am.)
   51. DFA Posted: September 20, 2022 at 03:06 PM (#6097088)
My turkish really leaves a lot to be desired.
   52. TomH Posted: September 20, 2022 at 05:18 PM (#6097126)
More Aaron Judge analysis:

One of BB-ref's stats is Offensive Winning Percentage. Uses BJ RUns Created per game. Rate stat; no credit for playing time

On the bbref single season leaderboard, many of the best seasons are Negro League stats. If we remove those, Judge's OWP currently is 68th best.
If we remove all season prior to 1963 (so, last 60 years inclusive), Judge moves all the way up to 16th.

If we remove the likely-steroid years of Bonds, Sosa, & McGwire,.... Judge climbs to 10th

Joe Morgan+ ....(32) 0.865 1976
Willie McCovey+ (31) 0.865 1969
Carl Yastrzemski+(27) 0.864 1967
Jeff Bagwell+ ...(26) 0.858 1994
Larry Walker+ ...(30) 0.857 1997
George Brett+ ...(27) 0.856 1980
Mike Trout ......(26) 0.854 2018
Bryce Harper ....(22) 0.854 2015
Henry Aaron+ ....(37) 0.852 1971
Aaron Judge ......(30) 0.851 2022
   53. The Duke Posted: September 20, 2022 at 05:43 PM (#6097138)
Exactly how do bbref and fangraphs update their sites so fast? I understand the logic of uploading spreadsheets in a nano second but how do the spreadsheets get filled out so fast? It's not just a box score. There all kinds of defensive data, batted ball data, balls and strikes, etc etc for each game. There must be hundreds if not thousands of data points collected for each game.

Who does it ? Who checks its ? And for those areas like defense where discretion is required (who gets the most credit for that putout?) how is consistency maintained ?
   54. The Duke Posted: September 20, 2022 at 05:51 PM (#6097143)
Harrison Bader finally starts for the Yanks tonight eliminating the possibility that the Cardinals would have to send another player to NY (if he didn't play before sept 30).
   55. The Duke Posted: September 20, 2022 at 05:53 PM (#6097145)
Could have a cool 24 hour trifecta with scherzer getting 200, kershaw getting 194 and Waino getting 196 of Waino holds up his end of the bargain tonight
   56. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 20, 2022 at 07:09 PM (#6097165)
If we remove the likely-steroid years of Bonds, Sosa, & McGwire,.... Judge climbs to 10th

Joe Morgan+ ....(32) 0.865 1976
Willie McCovey+ (31) 0.865 1969
Carl Yastrzemski+(27) 0.864 1967
Jeff Bagwell+ ...(26) 0.858 1994
Larry Walker+ ...(30) 0.857 1997
George Brett+ ...(27) 0.856 1980
Mike Trout ......(26) 0.854 2018
Bryce Harper ....(22) 0.854 2015
Henry Aaron+ ....(37) 0.852 1971
Aaron Judge ......(30) 0.851 2022
Lots of MVPs there.
   57. Snowboy Posted: September 20, 2022 at 08:59 PM (#6097179)
Jays @ PHI with a relatively rare 8-4 double play.
1 out, runners 1st and 2nd.
Liner over the head of Bryce Harper, who figures it'll fall in and starts for third.
George Springer catches the ball, and as Harper reverses course, throws it in to Cavan Biggio, who stretches like a 1B into the OF to make the play.
Springer's 6th OF assist of the year.
   58. Snowboy Posted: September 20, 2022 at 09:56 PM (#6097186)
SCHWARBIRD DECLOAKING!
In the 8th, Kyle Schwarber hits a neck-high fastball for season #40, his personal high so far, with 2 on.
Jays 14 Phils 10
It's like the 1993 World Series all over again!
   59. cardsfanboy Posted: September 20, 2022 at 10:10 PM (#6097188)
Who does it ? Who checks its ? And for those areas like defense where discretion is required (who gets the most credit for that putout?) how is consistency maintained ?


I'm pretty sure it's just a fairly simple PHP script that automatically plugs the values into the database.
   60. salvomania Posted: September 20, 2022 at 10:13 PM (#6097189)
I'm pretty sure it's just a fairly simple PHP script that automatically plugs the values into the database.

Sean just pushes a button every morning at 7am.
   61. cardsfanboy Posted: September 20, 2022 at 10:15 PM (#6097190)
Can't edit, meant to say either Php or Python. I've used python in the past to gather baseball data, it's probably the easiest way to do that type of thing.
   62. Snowboy Posted: September 20, 2022 at 10:24 PM (#6097193)
Jays stretch it back out to 18-10, to the 9th.
13 runs scored in this game in the last inning and a half.
Phillies send out catcher Garrett Stubbs to pitch (his 4th time to the mound this year,) after supposedly real pitcher Brad Hand gives up 4 runs in 1/3
Stubbs gets an out, then pitches to Danny Jansen. He lobs in an eephus pitch at 42, then maybe 38, then maybe 37.
Dan Shulman: "Don't smile. Just don't smile if you are the batter. It's a no-win situation for the batter. And you wait for it, but you just can't wait that long!"
{Pulled foul, pulled foul}
Pat Tabler: "Just don't swing and miss."
Stubbs suddenly throws one 84 at the knees, and Jansen can only flail, and smile as he walks off and looks back.
Shulman {laughing} "ohhhhhh, that is not fair!"
   63. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 20, 2022 at 10:32 PM (#6097195)
60! 430 feet to LF. Quite a scrum for the ball, no clean catch.
   64. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 20, 2022 at 10:34 PM (#6097197)
60 in the 147th game, Babe Ruth eat your heart out!
   65. Booey Posted: September 20, 2022 at 10:40 PM (#6097199)
Also:

Judge (1/4) - .316
Bogaerts (0/2) - .315
Arraez (0/4) - .314

He'd officially have a 60 homer Triple Crown if the season ended today.

Edit: Other than Cabrera, of course, has anyone held a Triple Crown this late in the season since Yaz?
   66. Howie Menckel Posted: September 20, 2022 at 10:42 PM (#6097200)
YES informs me that P Crowe who allowed the 60th is the "great great nephew" of NYY HOF P Red Ruffing.

he was in AL for Ruth's 1927 and 60 HR, but as part of his 39-96 record with the hapless Red Sox (I am not kidding).

he joined the Yankees in 1930 and went 231-124 for them from age 25-41 (was in military for two years of WW II)
   67. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 20, 2022 at 10:43 PM (#6097201)
Inspired no doubt by Aaron Judge’s HR to lead off the 9th, the Yankees then load the bases, allowing Giancarlo Stanton to win the game 9-8 with a walk-off grand slam! Couldn’t script it better.
   68. Howie Menckel Posted: September 20, 2022 at 11:04 PM (#6097204)
unhittable Edwin Diaz gets a K to end the 8th, then ends the game with 10 pitches in the 9th - all strikes, but one foul - with 3 more whiffs in a 7-5 win over the host and hungry Brew Crew.

contrast that with the Braves, who had a 3-1 lead in the 9th against the Nats, and had the rotting corpse of Kenley Jansen gasping and wheezing while allowing one run and finally ending it with the bases loaded.

one of these is not like the other....
   69. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 20, 2022 at 11:16 PM (#6097210)
If we remove the likely-steroid years of Bonds, Sosa, & McGwire,.... Judge climbs to 10th

Joe Morgan+ ....(32) 0.865 1976
Willie McCovey+ (31) 0.865 1969
Carl Yastrzemski+(27) 0.864 1967
Jeff Bagwell+ ...(26) 0.858 1994
Larry Walker+ ...(30) 0.857 1997
George Brett+ ...(27) 0.856 1980
Mike Trout ......(26) 0.854 2018
Bryce Harper ....(22) 0.854 2015
Henry Aaron+ ....(37) 0.852 1971
Aaron Judge ......(30) 0.851 2022


If you start breaking it down by late inning clutch hits in the context of a pennant race for the ages, Judge would probably trail only Yaz's 1967. With the exception of Brett's 1980 and Morgan's 1976, where their teams breezed to the division title, the others were all in years where their clubs were also-rans.
   70. The Duke Posted: September 20, 2022 at 11:17 PM (#6097211)
59/60. Completely get that the upload process is touching a button. My question is who is collecting the raw data to enable him to do that. Someone has to fill the boxes before they get uploaded - the box scores don't fill themselves out - who's doing that for all that data ? Does MLB have people who fill in the sheet?
   71. Booey Posted: September 20, 2022 at 11:25 PM (#6097214)
Worth pointing out that all those seasons listed in #52 won MVP except for Aaron in 1971 (who put up a 194 OPS+ and finished 3rd), and Trout in 2018 (who had a 198 OPS+ and 9.9 WAR and finished 2nd to Betts, who had 10.7 WAR).
   72. cardsfanboy Posted: September 20, 2022 at 11:33 PM (#6097216)
My question is who is collecting the raw data to enable him to do that. Someone has to fill the boxes before they get uploaded - the box scores don't fill themselves out - who's doing that for all that data ? Does MLB have people who fill in the sheet?


You do realize it's actually very easy to write a program that can parse the live play by play data from game day and convert it to raw numbers and enter it into a database. I can write a python script that can read the pbp data and convert it to a box score, or selectively create my own stat or update a database. It's actually not that tough to do.



Depending on where they are getting the data from, you basically read the play by play and parse it into a database and then calculate the numbers, with 15 games a day and less than 100 events per game you are talking a few seconds of computational power. It's all automatic from the data that is already being produced.
   73. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 20, 2022 at 11:35 PM (#6097218)
one of these is not like the other....


Yet the Braves continue to win. The Red Sox won in 2018 with the rotting corpse of Kimbrel as the "closer". He made every game in the playoffs that year in which he appeared turn into a white knuckle ride.

I do fear though, that Jansen will cost them a game or 2 somewhere and that'll be the end of them.
   74. The Duke Posted: September 20, 2022 at 11:43 PM (#6097220)
72. Super helpful. But how does defensive data, for instance, get captured. I've read enough about how defensive plays are allocated between players - how does a program do that ? Those are judgements right ?. Is that done separately at a later date ?

Or things like hard hit/line drive etc? Does game day store all that ?

And finally who is doing all that work at game day? Is that MLB or their statistical service ?
   75. The Duke Posted: September 21, 2022 at 12:01 AM (#6097223)
White Sox going down against Cleveland in 10. Looks like Cleveland has found another gear and all that's left for the Sox is complaining about TLR this winter
   76. The Duke Posted: September 21, 2022 at 12:03 AM (#6097224)
Cardinals trying a novel new approach to winning division. Completely quit playing in September and watch MIL lose every night
   77. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2022 at 12:08 AM (#6097225)
72. Super helpful. But how does defensive data, for instance, get captured. I've read enough about how defensive plays are allocated between players - how does a program do that ? Those are judgements right ?. Is that done separately at a later date ?

Or things like hard hit/line drive etc? Does game day store all that ?

And finally who is doing all that work at game day? Is that MLB or their statistical service ?


All of that data is recorded either game day, customized pbp sheets, statcast etc. It's literally just a bunch of data that is recorded as the plays happen and their software then parses the data into useful bits.

As to who, statcast is pretty much automated. Gameday is a streamer, a person who enters the data as it happens, paid for by mlb but hired by the home stadium (I'm pretty sure at least one or two of the people who frequent this site have been streamers in the past) Basically for today's games it's easy enough to get data, and I'm sure sites like bb-ref pay a premium for even better data access than simply parsing game day and statcast data. But yes MLB does pay to collect the data with streamers and statcast.

It's really just programming a script to make the data useful. The raw data is produced live and is available to anyone who wants it within seconds(or maybe minutes) of the action. That includes Pitchfx data, statcast data, and gameday events. The skills is not gathering the data, it's turning it to useful stuff. War is a straight forward formula, each component is also a straight forward formula, all of which just needs data entered into it, and refreshed. Defensive data is calculated live just as much as offensive data and just needs to be plugged into the formulas that they are using.
   78. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2022 at 12:09 AM (#6097226)
Cardinals trying a novel new approach to winning division. Completely quit playing in September and watch MIL lose every night


Glad to see I'm not the only one feeling this way. Offense, who needs stinking offense.
   79. The Duke Posted: September 21, 2022 at 12:16 AM (#6097227)
I was wrong. White Sox score two against Cleveland's closer Clase and tie the game
   80. Howie Menckel Posted: September 21, 2022 at 12:16 AM (#6097228)
update on BBTF's mythical 3-way race for a bye:

NYM 95-55
ATL 93-55, 1 back with 14 to play
STL 87-61, 7 back with 14 to play

if the Cards go 14-0..... ah, I got nothing
   81. The Duke Posted: September 21, 2022 at 12:20 AM (#6097229)
77. So that leaves three questions for me.

How is data checked and confirmed.? I noticed a few months ago that FG had a different total hits number than bbref.

To the extent some info is subjective (defensive credits for instance), how does MLB ensure the streamers decisions are consistent ?

Final question is MLB has its own data correct ? (Elias?). So is their info available anywhere ?
   82. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2022 at 12:39 AM (#6097230)
How is data checked and confirmed.? I noticed a few months ago that FG had a different total hits number than bbref.


Can't answer it, but apparently there is some system in place as you'll see on fantasy leagues changes pop up. (On my yahoo fantasy league I'll get updates that say "on this date an error was charged and it was updated to a hit"... so I'm assuming there is some system in place for updating data and correcting it.

To the extent some info is subjective (defensive credits for instance), how does MLB ensure the streamers decisions are consistent ?
From my original understanding there is none. With the addition of statcast though subjective data has been mostly removed from the equation. Ultimately the subjective data of the recent past wasn't more about whether something was a line drive or a fly ball, relatively minor in the overall scheme.

Final question is MLB has its own data correct ? (Elias?). So is their info available anywhere ?


Yes for a fee.
   83. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2022 at 12:41 AM (#6097231)
Cardinals get five hits today... 2 by Pujols, one by Goldy, Arenado and Burleson... People saying Albert is only playing for the numbers, hasn't seen this team play the past two weeks.
   84. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2022 at 12:46 AM (#6097233)
update on BBTF's mythical 3-way race for a bye:

NYM 95-55
ATL 93-55, 1 back with 14 to play
STL 87-61, 7 back with 14 to play

if the Cards go 14-0..... ah, I got nothing


Only way for the Cardinals to have been in the race was if they continued to play like they did for the previous 45 or so days since the all star break. They don't look like they are planning to do that. They are struggling to win games and score runs. The Cardinals are not doing their part to make it interesting.
   85. cardsfanboy Posted: September 21, 2022 at 12:53 AM (#6097236)
(Can't edit) meant to add and the Mets/Braves drop down to playing just .500 ball or so. For the month of September the difference between the Cardinals(.625), Braves(.714) and Mets(.563) has been a grand total of Braves up by 1 over the Cardinals and 2 over the Mets.
   86. JJ1986 Posted: September 21, 2022 at 12:25 PM (#6097301)
I almost never watch the Braves broadcasts, but put it on today and it is very different to hear an Australian color guy.
   87. JJ1986 Posted: September 21, 2022 at 01:38 PM (#6097319)
Josh Palacios just got a HBP on a ball where his foot was literally behind home plate and not in the box at all.
   88. Mike A Posted: September 21, 2022 at 02:40 PM (#6097328)
I almost never watch the Braves broadcasts, but put it on today and it is very different to hear an Australian color guy.
Ah, that's good ol' Pete Moylan, former Australian pharmaceutical salesman turned submarining MLB reliever.
   89. HBO disappeared Oscar Posted: September 21, 2022 at 04:39 PM (#6097378)
Offense set a high bar but I have confidence the Crew bullpen is up the challenge of blowing another lead

   90. Howie Menckel Posted: September 21, 2022 at 04:48 PM (#6097381)
I almost never watch the Braves broadcasts, but put it on today and it is very different to hear an Australian color guy.

better than the play-by-play guy, who - with the Braves down 3-2 and 1 out in the 9th - said they'd have an update on the Mets game "after WE beat the Nats." ugh.

meanwhile the Mets TV channel stuffed their on-field announcer Steve Gelbs into the Polish sausage costume for the 5-way mid-game race, and an impressive finishing got Gelbs - er, the Polish sausage - the victory by chasing down the front-running chorizo.

also, the Mets decided that a bases-loaded, 2-out spot with them trailing 2-0 in the 7th was a fine time to give Drew Smith his first mound appearance in 60 days. An unimpressed Mike Brosseau smacked a pinch-hit grand slam to put a bow on this one. that was weird.
   91. HBO disappeared Oscar Posted: September 21, 2022 at 04:58 PM (#6097387)
Cousins hits a batter which apparently sets a mlb season record for hit batters for a team.

Showalter asked for the ball.
   92. HBO disappeared Oscar Posted: September 21, 2022 at 05:00 PM (#6097388)
In a finish that had many Brewer fans stunned the bullpen did NOT get crushed late in the game so Crew wins.
   93. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 21, 2022 at 07:23 PM (#6097409)
Leadoff double to LF by Judge in 1st. Mildly disappointing, but good for his Triple Crown chances.
   94. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 21, 2022 at 07:40 PM (#6097413)
BBs to Torres & Stanton, then an Oswaldo Cabrera Grand Slam give the Yankees a 4-0 lead. Pirates pitcher struck out the side around that damage.
   95. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 21, 2022 at 07:57 PM (#6097416)
Pirates righthander Roansy Contreras has struck out 6 in 2 innings. Would be more impressive if he hadn’t give up the Grand Slam.
   96. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 21, 2022 at 07:57 PM (#6097417)
I could have broken some very minor baseball news this morning. I was in Salt Lake City for work, and as I was checking out of my hotel, I noticed the guy checking out before me was lugging around some SF Giants equipment bags with the name "Vosler" on them. Turns out it was Jason Vosler, who has split time between the Giants and Sacramento this season. The River Cats were in SLC for a series and he was clearly heading to the airport without the rest of the team, so I figured he was getting called up.

The news that the Giants DFA'd Lewis Brinson and called up Vosler just hit an hour ago.
   97. HBO disappeared Oscar Posted: September 21, 2022 at 08:11 PM (#6097419)
Brinson? All downhill since the Yelich trade
   98. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 21, 2022 at 08:43 PM (#6097424)
Another double for Aaron Judge, raising his batting average to .318. NYY lead 6-1.
   99. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: September 21, 2022 at 09:20 PM (#6097430)
Bogaerts with his second single of the night to pull himself to .317 (rounded).
   100. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 21, 2022 at 09:42 PM (#6097431)
This is going to be the worst possible outcome. Judge does NOT homer and NY will win. Life is really unfair sometimes.

Jokes aside, I must admit the quest for the triple crown has me more excited than whether he ends up on 63, 64 or whatever homers.

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