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Monday, September 26, 2022

OMNICHATTER for the week of September 26 - October 5, 2022

Scoreboards for the Major Leagues and all minor leagues,
courtesy of Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee).

Hombre Brotani Posted: September 26, 2022 at 06:20 PM | 314 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. cardsfanboy Posted: September 26, 2022 at 06:32 PM (#6097993)
Alonso had a heck of a week and ended up having to share co-player of the week with Albert Pujols.
   2. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 26, 2022 at 07:12 PM (#6098004)
Judge leads off with a single, thereby aiding his quest for the Triple Crown, but otherwise a tad disappointing.
   3. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 26, 2022 at 07:51 PM (#6098006)
Judge BB draws boos in Toronto.
   4. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 26, 2022 at 08:00 PM (#6098008)
Only in the 2nd in Boston and O's hitter Mullins already has a homer and a triple, hopefully a cycle is coming.

BTW, in case I haven't mentioned this already, Boston stinks.
   5. Howie Menckel Posted: September 26, 2022 at 09:03 PM (#6098014)
Pujols and The Bon Jovi List - aka, "Halfway There"

Rank Player (yrs, age) Home Runs PA
1. Albert Pujols (22, 42) 700 13023
2. Miguel Cabrera (20, 39) 506 11402
3. Nelson Cruz (18, 41) 459 8244
4. Giancarlo Stanton (13, 32) 375 5997

ok, let's go deeper

5. Mike Trout (12, 30) 347 6124
6. Joey Votto (16, 38) 342 8504
7. Evan Longoria (15, 36) 329 7956
8. Paul Goldschmidt (12, 34) 315 6930

9. Nolan Arenado (10, 31) 299 5814
10. Freddie Freeman (13, 32) 291 7329
11. Andrew McCutchen (14, 35) 287 8146
12. Bryce Harper (11, 29) 285 5869
13. Anthony Rizzo (12, 32) 283 6509
14. Manny Machado (11, 29) 282 6240
15. J.D. Martinez (12, 34) 278 5855
15. Carlos Santana (13, 36) 278 7534
17. Josh Donaldson (12, 36) 266 5633

22. Aaron Judge (7, 30) 218 3122
   6. Walt Davis Posted: September 26, 2022 at 10:04 PM (#6098019)
The older guys on that list:

Miggy 80 OPS+, 1 year left (here's hoping for an Albert finish)
Cruz 89, probably done but he can at least get an NRI for next year
Votto 86, 1 year left, on 60-day IL
Longoria 109, average half-season, $13 M option with $5 M buyout, assume he's back
McCutchen 98, 1 WAR, worth a NRI
Santana 98, 1 WAR, probably done
Donaldson 100, 2.7 WAR, 1 year left
JDM 111, <1 WAR, I'll guess somebody's silly enough to give him 1/$8

Only 3 Donaldsons have made the majors, Josh and two Johns. If your last name is Donaldson, don't name your kid Sue.
   7. Snowboy Posted: September 26, 2022 at 10:05 PM (#6098020)
Judge BB draws boos in Toronto.

Don't mistake a few selfish pricks or Yankee fans who made the drive from Buffalo (same people? you decide) who want to say "I was there" (and put their ticket on e-Bay) for a bad or non-partisan crown in Toronto.

Judge struck out looking to Gausman (6th, 3rd time facing,) and swinging to Yimi Gargia (full count) in the 8th...to lusty cheers.

Perhaps the boos were for Laz Diaz behind the plate.

Playoff atmosphere at SkyDome tonight.
edit: 2-2 to the 9th.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 26, 2022 at 10:31 PM (#6098023)
Don't mistake a few selfish pricks or Yankee fans who made the drive from Buffalo (same people? you decide) who want to say "I was there" (and put their ticket on e-Bay) for a bad or non-partisan crown in Toronto.
Jays bring in a lefty reliever specifically for the purpose of walking Judge to load the bases for Rizzo…*lots* of boos.
   9. Snowboy Posted: September 26, 2022 at 10:37 PM (#6098024)
With 2 out, in a tie, extra-inning game.
What would you do? Even if it means bases loaded? Pitch to Judge, or Rizzo with a LOOGIE?
Rizzo grounds out, inning over.

And the smattering of boos must have a diff level of volume on YES.
That was a (gutsy) smart move, but that's playoff baseball. And barely a boo was heard, other maybe than YES.
   10. Snowboy Posted: September 26, 2022 at 10:45 PM (#6098027)
Oh my
a gutsy move quickly becomes brilliant one.
Jays win.

Did YES pipe in some boos on the Vladdy hit too?
***
Have a good night, fellas.
   11. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 26, 2022 at 10:50 PM (#6098029)
I didn’t say it was a bad move strategically. I said there was a lot more than a “smattering” of boos. Because there was.
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 27, 2022 at 12:33 AM (#6098032)
Judge was 1-for-3 tonight, with the 2 previously-mentioned BB, while Bogaerts went 1-for-5 in Boston’s 14-8 loss to the Orioles, causing him to fall [barely] behind Arraez (Twins off today). Still extremely close, as shown below (rounded to 6 decimals)

Judge: .314442
Arraez: .312977
Bogaerts: .312734

Still time for someone to pull away, but it seems destined to go down to the last day, maybe even the last PA.
   13. JJ1986 Posted: September 27, 2022 at 01:37 PM (#6098076)
What is the weather forecast in Atlanta this weekend?
   14. Howie Menckel Posted: September 27, 2022 at 07:08 PM (#6098114)
Mets can clinch NL East on Friday.

they won't - but they could.

Braves can't take the division until Sunday (in both cases after a win on those days and everything else going right).
   15. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 07:12 PM (#6098115)
A win today or tomorrow will clinch the division for the Cardinals (due to tie-breaker rules)...

In non-baseball news. I'm getting married tomorrow. And having surgery on Monday. Hopefully the Cardinals can give me a wedding present today or tomorrow with a clinch.
   16. NaOH Posted: September 27, 2022 at 07:19 PM (#6098116)
Best to you for many years, CFB, in marriage and in post-surgery living.
   17. Howie Menckel Posted: September 27, 2022 at 07:23 PM (#6098119)
Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
As of this moment, MLB has not discussed imminent relocation of this weekend's Mets/Braves series. More conversation could occur tomorrow, as could the idea of shifting game days/times due to Hurricane Ian.

For now, the league and teams are tracking the storm/gathering info.
3:29 PM · Sep 27, 2022

Anthony DiComo
@AnthonyDiComo
·
3h
Replying to
@AnthonyDiComo
Bottom line is it's unlikely a decision will come down until tomorrow. The Mets are set to fly to Atlanta after their series finale against the Marlins.

Relocation/time changes may still occur, but not until more information is known about the storm's ultimate path and severity.
   18. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 07:32 PM (#6098121)
As of this moment, MLB has not discussed imminent relocation of this weekend's Mets/Braves series. More conversation could occur tomorrow, as could the idea of shifting game days/times due to Hurricane Ian.


I hadn't realized that this hurricane could affect a baseball game. All because of my ignorance on where it's at, it's intensity etc. (all things easily figured out if I just read one of the dozens and dozens of articles on it that have appeared in my feeds)

Best to you for many years, CFB, in marriage and in post-surgery living.


Thanks.
   19. JJ1986 Posted: September 27, 2022 at 07:39 PM (#6098123)
Maybe the Nats will win...
   20. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 07:42 PM (#6098124)
Just read an article talking about ESPN doing the Judge split screen during a college football game, and it's a point I agree with, the writer was basically saying if someone actually cared about the Judge homerun, in this day and age they would have found a way to watch it, at the time though the split screen and replacing the audio with the MLB audio just ticked off a bunch of people who were watching the game that they actually cared about.

I have to agree. I don't give a rats patooie about college football, outside of professional grass growing (soccer) it's the most boring major sport in the USA (behind MLB, NHL, NBA, NFL, Nascar(although not a sport), Tennis and even golf(again not a sport)(on par with collage basketball) cfb is just utter garbage with more often than not massively different level of competition... I mean there might be five games out of 100 or so each weekend that is a decent matchup) but if I am brain damaged and care about a particular college football team enough to turn the channel on, I don't want to be interrupted by another sport that I didn't care about.
   21. Howie Menckel Posted: September 27, 2022 at 08:00 PM (#6098125)
ESPN airing a 2-hour special in one more hour (9 pm ET) called "Yankees-Dodgers - An Uncivil War."

NOT retreading trampled ground of the 1950s this time - it's about the 1977 and 1978 World Series.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: September 27, 2022 at 08:06 PM (#6098126)
Best of luck all around CFB.

I think there were national break-ins when Aaron set the record. I can't guarantee it -- he hit 714 on the Thurs opening day in Cinci and, unless it was Easter break, I'd have been in school ... and I wouldn't have been watching daytime TV. They didn't play Fri, I'm pretty sure they were the national game of the week on Sat but Aaron didn't play. Oddly, he did play on Sun and that's when I recall there being break-ins (maybe in the middle of the NBC Sports Spectacular!!) Maybe they just put the whole game on NBC. They were on Mon night game of the week when he hit 715.

I assume ESPN broke into whatever they had on during McGwire-Sosa.

EDIT: Well, THE game of Mac-Sosa was on ESPN (or somewhere national), I just don't recall if they broke in for #61 and whether they kept breaking in as the number climbed.
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 08:10 PM (#6098127)
Cardinals striking early this game 2-0 second inning, 2 hits(basically doubles that came around to score)
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 08:16 PM (#6098128)
I think there were national break-ins when Aaron set the record. I can't guarantee it -- he hit 714 on the Thurs opening day in Cinci and, unless it was Easter break, I'd have been in school ... and I wouldn't have been watching daytime TV. They didn't play Fri, I'm pretty sure they were the national game of the week on Sat but Aaron didn't play. Oddly, he did play on Sun and that's when I recall there being break-ins (maybe in the middle of the NBC Sports Spectacular!!) Maybe they just put the whole game on NBC. They were on Mon night game of the week when he hit 715.

I assume ESPN broke into whatever they had on during McGwire-Sosa.

EDIT: Well, THE game of Mac-Sosa was on ESPN (or somewhere national), I just don't recall if they broke in for #61 and whether they kept breaking in as the number climbed.


One of the points of the article (this was an Athletic article) was that in the past the options were limited, so that made a bit of sense, but today that isn't really the case. He argued that maybe show the replay if it happens at a point where you can that it makes sense. I know in Missouri, even though the Mizzou football team sucks, there were multiple articles complaining about the Judge break in for the Mizzou game that was going on.

Generally speaking break ins are going to infuriate the people watching what they want to watch, and only appeal to a handful of the viewers who had decided to watch because nothing else was on in their wheel house. I get pissed when they do weather break ins (and so do most people) if I'm watching tv, I have decided what I want to watch, the rest of the crap is something I have actively tried to avoid and now you are forcing me to watch it anyway...and considering break ins don't stop the broadcast, they just continue running the feed, it's annoying as f with no apologies)
   25. Walt Davis Posted: September 27, 2022 at 08:22 PM (#6098129)
Cubs-Phils today. The factoid: Cubs are 2nd in the NL in SB and Phils are 3rd. Before you get your hopes upfor a speedfest, that's 105 for the Cubs and 94 for the Phils.

Given our general slow-footed nature, even back when SBs were cool, I'm wondering the last time the Cubs were 1st or 2nd in steals. Probably not as long ago as I think. Sandberg & Dernier had a lot in 84 and the team as a whole wasn't slow -- they did get to 154 but that was only 4th. The 89 team got to a respectable 136 but that was only 6th. I'm also now wondering if the Cubs have ever stolen more than one base per game.
   26. base ball chick Posted: September 27, 2022 at 08:23 PM (#6098130)
15. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 07:12 PM (#6098115)

In non-baseball news. I'm getting married tomorrow. And having surgery on Monday. Hopefully the Cardinals can give me a wedding present today or tomorrow with a clinch.


- CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

i hope she a cards fan too. and good luck with the surgery.
   27. Walt Davis Posted: September 27, 2022 at 08:27 PM (#6098131)
#24 ... maybe. These days we get "break-ins" taking up half the screen to run an ad or so that the talking heads can appear on the screen, especially if it's a celeb interview. Granted, if the celeb has shut up, the PBP will still happen at least but I've had to get used to half my screen being taken up by something other than what I'm watching.

Probably those folks are just pissed because they'd bet on the wrong side of the 8:47 ET over/under for the Judge break-in.
   28. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 08:35 PM (#6098133)
Best of luck all around CFB.


Hoping for the best, been a scary past 4 months. (the wedding is sadly being rushed so she has the ability to speak on my behalf if things go wrong-- would have preferred a more extensive ceremony)



- CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

i hope she a cards fan too. and good luck with the surgery.


She is, and a Blues fan... we have two teams in St Louis.

#24 ... maybe. These days we get "break-ins" taking up half the screen to run an ad or so that the talking heads can appear on the screen, especially if it's a celeb interview. Granted, if the celeb has shut up, the PBP will still happen at least but I've had to get used to half my screen being taken up by something other than what I'm watching.

Probably those folks are just pissed because they'd bet on the wrong side of the 8:47 ET over/under for the Judge break-in.


I wouldn't mind a 1/4 screen interrupting, definitely don't see a need for replacing the audio. (this is the article)

I just don't see any real reason to interrupt a game with a built in audience with expectations of enjoying the sport they selected, to shoe horn a relatively minor event from a completely different sport. Mind you, if the actual game was a blowout, then it's at least a little bit justified, but the two instances that I've heard about have been games going to the wire (Mizzou game went into overtime) and the interruptions came during crucial game moments.
   29. Howie Menckel Posted: September 27, 2022 at 08:39 PM (#6098135)
Alonso with a 3-run tater, extends his Mets RBI record to 131.

also moving up this chart of Mets 40-HR seasons:

1. PETE ALONSO 53 - 2019
2. Todd Hundley 41 - 1996
2. Carlos Beltran 41 - 2006
4. Mike Piazza 40 - 1999
4. PETE ALONSO 40 - 2022 and counting!

Strawberry had two 39s and Delgado had two 38s.
Kingman had a 37 in 123 G and a 36 in 134 G.

in the former, he had 32 HR in mid-July but missed 6 weeks with injury and wasn't the same slugger when he returned.
   30. Walt Davis Posted: September 27, 2022 at 08:39 PM (#6098136)
Once again, the honor of America is maintained by calling a hustling runner out at 2B because his foot popped off the bag for half a sec.
   31. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 08:45 PM (#6098137)
If he beats the tag, and doesn't overslide nor remains off the bag for more than 1/2 of a second, he should be determined safe. That rule would be fully within the spirit of the game.
   32. Howie Menckel Posted: September 27, 2022 at 08:51 PM (#6098138)
I would be good with that as well.

a little like "incidental contract" of a punt returner who calls for a fair catch.
it would be absurd to throw a flag for barely grazing the guy's leg after he had fully secured the ball - the player is over and there was no harm or injury risk.
so they don't call that as a penalty (in fact there were at least two examples in the DAL-NYG Monday night game - no flags, and the Earth continued to revolve on its axis).
   33. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 08:59 PM (#6098139)
the only addition to that rule would be a team doesn't lose a replay appeal if that happens. (note: I hate the appeal rule for replay personally anyway, but if it exists, then it should be fair)
   34. base ball chick Posted: September 27, 2022 at 09:24 PM (#6098140)
28. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 08:35 PM (#6098133)


Hoping for the best, been a scary past 4 months


- um

might could i ask why?
   35. Snowboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 09:28 PM (#6098141)
What a garbage call against Bichette at second.
That call looked like it was a little league road game, and it turned out the ump was the fielder's older brother. I mean, the play was over. He was safe by three seconds. He was standing up and brushing off some dirt, and he got tagged and called out? Maybe *maybe* if he was jumping around and showboating? (But he wasn't)
I hate that call, against any runner, as a baseball fan.
   36. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 09:34 PM (#6098142)
might could i ask why?


It's not baseball related, but I had congestive heart failure diagnosed in May, (since then they have added water on the lungs, blood clot in the heart, pulmonary fibrosis and diabetes) that is why the wedding has been rushed a bit so that my girl can make decisions for me in a worst case scenario(also life insurance is included with her benefits for spouses but not domestic partners or whatever is the term we qualify under---Missouri doesn't recognize common law). Supposedly the surgery (putting in a defibrillator instead of having to wear the vest that I have been) is extremely low risk, but it doesn't change the thinking in my head. (and of course when they tell you things like "on the positive side, 50% of the people who have congestive heart failure live at least five years more" ignores the fact that is actually not an encouraging number when you are 'only' 52 years old)



Cardinals up 5-0 now, Mikolas regaining some of his form to maybe cement the argument he is probably the ace on the staff.
   37. Walt Davis Posted: September 27, 2022 at 09:37 PM (#6098143)
In fairness, it was the sort of play you can imagine could have been called in real time, there was daylight between foot and bag and it was more the result of a late-ish, awkward slide than the unavoidable physics of it all. At least in this case I'd have to say they got the call correct, there was reasonably clear evidence he was tagged while off the base. It's just a dumb use of replay. Steals, guys stretching singles into doubles, etc. are among the most exciting plays in baseball so let's not stand around for a minute before deciding whether it actually happened. There are no bang-bang plays anymore.

I don't know how to word it but I would certainly support a rule along the lines of "if the player is on the bag when the tag first makes contact, the runner is considered safe even if he comes off with the tag still on." This would also remove any uncertainty around a tag pushing the runner off the base. You need to tweak it in some way to keep guys from just sliding way past the bag.

Note I'm not sure that rule would have been enough in this case. It's hard to say exactly when the tag began so Contreras might have been off the bag when the tag was first applied -- not a lot of point in replacing a review on whether the guy was on the bag with a review of when the tag began. So what I really want is what I want for most replay which is to let the umpire decide if he wants assistance. I know, most of these guys would consider it beneath themselves to consult replay. But some process more like when the basketball refs take a look to make sure whether the shot got off before the horn blew. If the ump (or one of the other ones) has serious doubt whether the guy held the bag then by all means go to the tape.
   38. Snowboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 09:38 PM (#6098144)
Judge walks for a fourth time tonight.
As to the ongoing "boo" debate, there was some noise for the first and second walk, and some mixed rustling for the fourth.
It was most audible on the third walk, but it was probably as much directed at Judge as the pitcher, who got him 0-2 but Judge wouldn't swing at anything.
For the record, I believe Judge has walked on a full count every time tonight, so it's not like Jays are "pitching around him" they are getting to two strikes, and he is a selective batter.

He'll get his 61+ but it will be on his terms.
Kinda fits his story.
   39. Howie Menckel Posted: September 27, 2022 at 09:40 PM (#6098145)
Judge likely finishes 0 for 1 with 4 walks, every AB went to 3-2.

Judge's mom and Maris's son side by side behind home plate. again.

this is a dream Rom Com movie script: I would expect Judge's mom and Maris's son to be reasonably close in age.

in the fictional version, they meet cute at a ballgame as the record nearly is to be turned over.

in just a few days, these two fall madly in love behind the scenes. yet they are stoic during the games, with the unsuspecting eyes of the world upon them.

the record-tyer and breaker doesn't happen right away, and soon these two lovebirds never want the record to be broken as they travel from city to city (and even a foreign country!). by the final few days, Mom breaks down in an emotional scene and begs her son not to break the record and possibly end her fling prematurely. is the love affair real? she doesn't want to chance it.

the son compromises, says he'll tie the record but not break it - at least, not before the final day.

at that point, the ending can go a million different ways - including a "The Natural" ending.
   40. Snowboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 09:52 PM (#6098146)
Walt [37] Bichette is out. His toe wasn't on the base anymore. And he didn't ask for "time".
But at what point, like you suggest, can a runner reasonably expect that the play is over?
He's in, he's hugging the bag, the throw is bounced in behind him, he lays there for a while, he takes a bite of his sandwich, he stands up, he brushes himself off, aaaaand then he's tagged. Out.
Some will say its no different than the hidden ball trick at first base. And it isn't. Bichette is out, I get that. For an infinitesimal second, as he stood up, he was not touching the base. Yer OUT! {hangdog face}
But when should the ump consider the play "dead" does Bichette have to actually ask for "time" to be called?
If runner is bouncing or clowning around, or overslid the base and is in a scramble to get back, maybe that's a legit call.
   41. Dillon Gee Escape Plan Posted: September 27, 2022 at 09:56 PM (#6098147)
Triston Casas 3-3 with a home run and walk so far tonight, bringing his line to .182/.348/.455 (127 wRC+). He's currently sporting a 20.3% BB%.
   42. base ball chick Posted: September 27, 2022 at 10:00 PM (#6098148)
CFB

omg

we been baseball friends bout 20 yrs now and i hate hearing you having problems. i hope you do great. you are smart to get married t0 make sure shttt don't happen
   43. Howie Menckel Posted: September 27, 2022 at 10:09 PM (#6098149)
any balk fans out there?

Marlins lefty Bleier, in 8th with a 6-3 lead vs Mets, balks a runner to second. and to third. and to home.

first 3 balks of his MLB career. same issue with his glove, no ump ever had an issue with it before. first base ump looks like a rookie.

Mattingly gets tossed.

Bleier stays in game, gets a ground out to end the inning - then gets tossed himself. who cares, his night was done anyway.

all were ticky-tack, but the last one was ridiculous. a lefty has a runner on third base, 2 out in a 6-3 game, and he's deceiving a runner who isn't going anywhere anyway?

c'mon, man. nobody paid for a ticket to watch you give out tickets to drivers for going 26 in a 25 mph zone.

Mets will take the cheap run, though.
   44. with Glavinesque control and Madduxian poise Posted: September 27, 2022 at 10:11 PM (#6098150)
@43 do we know that not coming set is the reason for the balk? I watched the last two and I have legit no idea what was being called, but that's what the Mets announcers are speculating.
   45. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 10:13 PM (#6098151)
any balk fans out there?


There is no such thing as a balk fan, most everyone hates the balk rules and most people (me included) don't even understand 90% of the calls. (outside of one balk in which Molina the Cardinals catcher called it and made the umps agree, but that is just a Molina is great thing, and not a fan of the balk nonsense)
   46. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 10:14 PM (#6098152)
Pallante comes in for Mikolas and struggles (putting two men on base) then follows up with a double play so not a complete disaster...
   47. The Duke Posted: September 27, 2022 at 10:16 PM (#6098153)
Well, congrats on marriage CFB. And the good news is you are plenty young for the surgery. I just had a hip replaced and then had a near death experience resulting in a hospital stay with an emergency that developed. Healthy as a horse for 58 years and then my body stopped working right. You never know. I wake up every day now and think " I made it today ".

So good luck - controlled events are much better than some emergency issue. Let us know when you come out the other side. And don't worry about those 5 year projections. I'm sure it has almost zero meaning for a 52 year old.
   48. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 10:19 PM (#6098154)
Well, congrats on marriage CFB. And the good news is you are plenty young for the surgery. I just had a hip replaced and then had a near death experience resulting in a hospital stay with an emergency that developed. Healthy as a horse for 58 years and then my body stopped working right. You never know. I wake up every day now and think " I made it today ".

So good luck - controlled events are much better than some emergency issue. Let us know when you come out the other side. And don't worry about those 5 year projections. I'm sure it has almost zero meaning for a 52 year old.


Glad you did well, and it's just a thing in my head, nobody seems stressed about it (meaning my doctors)

Pallante allows a run to score, 6-2 in the 8th inning. Yankees clinched.
   49. Howie Menckel Posted: September 27, 2022 at 10:20 PM (#6098155)
@43 do we know that not coming set is the reason for the balk? I watched the last two and I have legit no idea what was being called, but that's what the Mets announcers are speculating.

yes.

but they also pointed out that this is what Bleier always does - so where is the deception?

most famous example ever, probably, was Luis Tiant's crazy motion. but umps decided, since he does the same thing every time that so as long as he sticks to it, no balk.
   50. Snowboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 10:38 PM (#6098156)
With the plastic tarps covering their lockers, Yankees are spraying champagne and shooting beers in Toronto.
With this victory, they have clinched the AL East Division (= bye in first playoff round)

Reporter: "Are you disappointed in the four walks?"
Judge: "No, not at all. I'll take four walks if it means a win."
   51. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 10:40 PM (#6098157)
Edman started the day with 6.2 bWar, has gone 1 for 2, double, two walks, and was picked off... his 6.2 bWar is tied with Riley for 5th in the NL (behind Arenado 7.7, Goldschmidt 7.6, Alcantara 7.3, Machado 6.4)

I would give Goldy my MVP vote, but considering that I think that war generally underrates starting pitchers, I would have no problem with Alcantara.
   52. base ball chick Posted: September 27, 2022 at 10:43 PM (#6098158)
47. The Duke Posted: September 27, 2022 at 10:16 PM (#6098153)

I just had a hip replaced and then had a near death experience resulting in a hospital stay with an emergency that developed. Healthy as a horse for 58 years and then my body stopped working right. You never know. I wake up every day now and think " I made it today ".


- whoa

glad you made it
   53. The Duke Posted: September 27, 2022 at 10:53 PM (#6098159)
I just watched those balks - chickenshit calls. Who's he deceiving ? Lots of pitchers have similar set positions.
   54. The Duke Posted: September 27, 2022 at 10:55 PM (#6098160)
Edmans WAR diminished (didn't grow as rapidly I guess) when they moved him to SS. He's a good shortstop but was elite at 2B. If he had stayed at 2B, he'd be up around 7 WAR imo.
   55. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 11:01 PM (#6098162)
Cardinals clinch the division.

In other news, we were discussing Helsey in another thread on whether he is having the best season among relievers this year. Whether you think he is or not, MLB.tv had a talking head panel about who would you rather have closing out your game in the post season and their three choices was 1. Diaz (of course) 2. Clase (good choice) and 3. Hader...???? are you serious?
   56. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 11:02 PM (#6098163)
Cardinals with 90 wins for the 13th time since 2000 (without looking I assume the Dodgers and Yankees exceed that, and nobody else comes close)

edit: looking it up... Yankees 16 times, Dodgers 12. (I forgot that the Dodgers had posted multiple losing seasons since 2000... :) )
   57. Howie Menckel Posted: September 27, 2022 at 11:04 PM (#6098164)
Diaz now has 113 K in 59 IP. that seems like a lot, lol
   58. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 27, 2022 at 11:13 PM (#6098165)
I'm getting married tomorrow. And having surgery on Monday


Congrats and good luck.

Which EPL team does she support?
   59. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 11:14 PM (#6098166)
Helsey re-establishes the seasons fastest pitch with a 104 mph pitch. The funny thing is the batter made contact and managed to pull the ball.
   60. Walt Davis Posted: September 27, 2022 at 11:14 PM (#6098167)
#40: In case there was any confusion, my comments were referencing a play in the Cubs-Phils game, I didn't see the Bichette one. As to when is the play over -- not much confusion on that one, it's when the ump calls time. From your description, Bichette had chances to ask for time. Whether the ump should have called time on his own before this silliness I can't say.

While it's not as bad as golf, baseball always has been a bit ticky-tacky on the rules. A catcher inconsequentially uses his mask to gather a pitch 6 inches away and not going anywhere because, FFS he's a catcher and this is the 20th Fing ball he's had to scramble after in the first 5 innings and he's just about had it. The three(!) balk calls above. Pine tar for crying out loud. (are they still measuring the curvature of sticks in hockey?)
   61. cardsfanboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 11:15 PM (#6098168)
Which EPL team does she support?


She prefers the villains, so John Deere tractor company beats all professional grass growing teams.
   62. Snowboy Posted: September 27, 2022 at 11:16 PM (#6098169)
*****

CFB - from one genuine baseball fan to another, this is a "Get Well Soon" card/message.
All the way from another time zone, all the way from Canada.
Get well, and hurry back.
So we can keep talking baseball. And life.

*****


   63. Walt Davis Posted: September 27, 2022 at 11:19 PM (#6098170)
Diaz now has 113 K in 59 IP. that seems like a lot, lol

Randy Jones won the 1976 NL CYA with 315 IP and 93 K.
   64. Howie Menckel Posted: September 27, 2022 at 11:27 PM (#6098171)
Randy Jones won the 1976 NL CYA with 315 IP and 93 K.

and it took him about 2 hours total to finish off his complete games!

everybody, if they're lucky, might get a 55-year MLB window from, say, age 10-65.

being around today and yet remembering Wilbur Wood and Mickey Lolich and Mike Marshall - he went 15-12, 2.42 ERA, 208 IP in 1974.

ok, that's a really nice No. 2 starter, right? might be an ace in 2022.

oh, I should mention that Marshall appeared in 106 games that season - ALL IN RELIEF.

21 SV, not that many cared so much about that at the time.

:)

he was well-rested, too, at age 31.
the year before, he coasted to a 14-11, 2.66 ERA mark in a mere 92 G and 179 IP, with 31 SV.

Marshall was in "Ball Four" as a 1969 Seattle Pilot, and he finished in the 'pen with the hapless 1981 Mets whose season - like all teams - ended in August. one teammate that year was Jesse Orosco, whose last MLB season came 36 years after Marshall's first....
   65. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 28, 2022 at 12:06 AM (#6098173)
She prefers the villains, so John Deere tractor company beats all professional grass growing teams.


Good to have a sense of humour.

Genuinely though, a hearty congrats on the nuptials.
   66. Walt Davis Posted: September 28, 2022 at 12:07 AM (#6098174)
On Edman ... not that bWAR is the gospel but ...

+13 at 2B; +6 at SS in (as of yesterday) an equal number of innings. My guesstimate is that he's got +2 Rpos for 2b and +4 for SS. So +15 or 1.5 dWAR at 2B; +10, 1.0 dWAR at SS. Using that, staying at 2B, he'd have another half-WAR give or take. Not exactly a big deal but obviously closer to 7 WAR.

The tailing off may have more to do with the bat. He was pretty exclusively at 2B through mid-May and he had a 800 OPS too. He maintained that OPS through about mid-June. From June 16 to yesterday, he's had a 650 OPS with a line of 241/284/365. That's about a 86 OPS+ in the 2nd half -- guesstimate of about -6 Rbat (based on Jorge Mateo).

Roughly he was worth a bit more than 4 WAR in the first 40% of the season and about 2 WAR since. About half-a-win is arguably due to shifting from 2B to SS (could just be regression to the mean), about 1.5 wins due to poor hitting.
   67. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 28, 2022 at 02:01 AM (#6098178)
And out west, the battle of "the relievers who used to be awesome", Craig "tire fire" Kimbrel takes the loss after Josh "dumpster fire" Hader had blown the save in the 9th.

If the NL playoffs come down to the closer, the Mets are going to smoke everyone because LA, SD and the Braves are screwed.
   68. cardsfanboy Posted: September 28, 2022 at 11:01 AM (#6098186)
If the NL playoffs come down to the closer, the Mets are going to smoke everyone because LA, SD and the Braves are screwed.


Just saw a bit on MLB (3:20 mark) that they were trying to gauge which team would give the Dodgers the toughest time (they were only allowed to choose between the Mets, Braves and Padres) and two of the guys said the Braves because they have three closers.
   69. JJ1986 Posted: September 28, 2022 at 11:12 AM (#6098189)
Minter and Iglesias have both been really good.
   70. JJ1986 Posted: September 28, 2022 at 11:14 AM (#6098190)
Mets almost certainly need to take 2 of 3 from the Braves now whenever and wherever they play.
   71. fran Posted: September 28, 2022 at 12:44 PM (#6098205)
Last event on Tuesday night was the Walk-Off Walk. What could be better?
   72. fran Posted: September 28, 2022 at 12:44 PM (#6098206)
Good luck cfb!
   73. Walt Davis Posted: September 28, 2022 at 04:50 PM (#6098235)
Bullpens schmullpens, I would not want to face Scherzer and deGrom at least 4 times in a 7-game series. All told you get 63 chances to score and for about half of those, you're gonna face Scherzer, deGrom or Diaz. All sorts of odd stuff happens in short series but I'd suggest you better score a lot in the other half if you want to win the series.
   74. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 28, 2022 at 06:22 PM (#6098240)
Just saw a bit on MLB (3:20 mark) that they were trying to gauge which team would give the Dodgers the toughest time (they were only allowed to choose between the Mets, Braves and Padres) and two of the guys said the Braves because they have three closers.


Yeah, well sure, bring your fancy, schmancy stats and truth into it and ruin my joke about the unstable closers that are Kimbrel, Hader and Jansen right now.

   75. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 28, 2022 at 07:09 PM (#6098246)
Post-clinch, the Yankees rapidly pivot to more of a last-day-of-the-season lineup:
A. Judge DH
O. Cabrera 2B
J. Donaldson 3B
O. Peraza SS
H. Bader CF
M. Gonzalez 1B
K. Higashioka C
T. Locastro RF
A. Hicks LF
Anthony Rizzo is ‘managing’ the team tonight.

EDIT: Leadoff BB to Judge, and 3-2 count in his last 6 PA.
   76. Snowboy Posted: September 28, 2022 at 08:12 PM (#6098255)
Gerrit Cole on the hill for the Yankees tonight.
The 112 ERA+ doesn't sound too impressive, and it's partly because he leads the AL in HR allowed with 31. His HR/9 is 1.5
But he also leads the AL in Ks. He entered the game with 244, and has struck out 3 so far thru 3 (9 up, 9 down.)
That puts Cole at 247, which is within 1 of the Yankee team record: Ron Guidry's 248 (1978)
And Cole will become the first NYY to lead the AL in Ks since Al Downing (1964) (Guidry didn't lead the league [Nolan Ryan] but did win the Cy Young)
   77. Snowboy Posted: September 28, 2022 at 08:38 PM (#6098262)
NYY Cole 15-up, 15-down.
Gets 4th K, ties local team record for a season.
   78. Snowboy Posted: September 28, 2022 at 08:49 PM (#6098263)
Danny Jansen ruins Cole's perfecto/no-no.
Goes deep. 14th HR. He's a bit low on PA (2 IL stints) but his OPS pretty much leads the team, and he's also a great catcher.
   79. Snowboy Posted: September 28, 2022 at 09:00 PM (#6098264)
Cole falls apart like sugar in the rain.
After the first base runner allowed (Jansen's HR) in the game, Cole gives up a hit by Merrifield, then a walk to #9 Jackie Bradley Jr., a fly that allows runner to advance, and a run-scoring infield hit to Bichette.
Cole balks (even a third grader could see that one) to move up the runners, in part because it's so frickin' loud at SkyDome. Cole is seen holding PitchCom to his head.
Vladdy pops a sac fly to suddenly tie the game, now 3-3 to the 7th.
   80. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 28, 2022 at 09:12 PM (#6098265)
ALL RISE! Aaron Judge delivers his verdict, gaveling #61, a 2-run HR to LF. Yankees lead 5-3.
   81. Snowboy Posted: September 28, 2022 at 09:12 PM (#6098266)
Judge hits one OUTTA here!
   82. cardsfanboy Posted: September 28, 2022 at 09:28 PM (#6098267)
Cardinal announcers are basically arguing that the Cardinals had one of the most "storied" seasons in a long time, arguably in their individual history of memory. (Dan McLaughlin at least) and it made me think, is that true? And I somewhat have to agree. Just thinking about the stories you have the Albert and Yadier retirement season, you have the return of Albert, you have the career hr chase for Albert (including 700), the Yadier/Molina record, Goldy/Arenado being 1-3 for MVP in the NL, and other stuff. Dodgers have their leading the majors in runs and (fewest) runs allowed for multiple season and Judge going for the triple crown while hitting 61 homeruns. But I think the sheer number of stories goes to the Cardinals.
   83. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 28, 2022 at 09:44 PM (#6098269)
Cardinal announcers are basically arguing that the Cardinals had one of the most "storied" seasons in a long time, arguably in their individual history of memory.

The Cardinals may have this year's most "storied" season, but no Cardinals season can possibly top 1934, with Diz 'n' Paul's combined 49 wins and a World Series win that was greeted with a shower of rotten tomatoes. I'd rather have seen that team in action than the 1927 Yankees.

(Yes, I know 1934 doesn't qualify for the history of memory, although it would if Roger Angell were still alive.)
   84. Walt Davis Posted: September 28, 2022 at 09:52 PM (#6098271)
the Yadier/Molina record

Does Yadi have a new dance track?

(I assume that was meant to me Yadi/Wainwright but nothing beats typo humor!)
   85. cardsfanboy Posted: September 28, 2022 at 09:55 PM (#6098272)
(I assume that was meant to me Yadi/Wainwright but nothing beats typo humor!)


Yes. to both, nothing beats typo humor other than maybe puns.

And there is of course other things to point out like moments of course (largest come from behind victory in the ninth inning this season, 4 consecutive hrs among them) but many of the competitive teams have those moments also this season.
   86. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 28, 2022 at 10:15 PM (#6098274)
In terms of memorable 2022 comebacks it's hard to top the one that began with Judge's 60th home run and ended with a Stanton walkoff grand slam when the Yanks were 3 runs behind.
   87. cardsfanboy Posted: September 28, 2022 at 10:16 PM (#6098275)
Wong saved the idiot Brewer shortstop. Bases loaded 2-1 Brewers, 1 out, full count, 7th inning. Cardinals Yepez up to bat. He hits the ball slow roller up the middle to the shortstop, instead of fielding it and switching to his hand, he decided to flip with his glove, a bad flip Wong has to stay on the bag, barehand the crappy flip and throw out the runner. Neither runner were particularly fast, playing the ball normal would have been the smart thing to do.
   88. cardsfanboy Posted: September 28, 2022 at 10:18 PM (#6098276)
In terms of memorable 2022 comebacks it's hard to top the one that began with Judge's 60th home run and ended with a Stanton walkoff grand slam when the Yanks were 3 runs behind.


It's a good story and all, but going into the bottom of the ninth inning losing 5-1 and winning the game 6-5 is also pretty memorable,
   89. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 28, 2022 at 10:21 PM (#6098277)
Yankees had runners on 2nd $ 3rd, 1 out, when Bader taps back to Toronto pitcher Adam Cimber, who throws home, but well-wide of the plate, to the backstop, scoring 1 run. Cimber then neglects to cover home, allowing the 2nd runner to score, making it 8-3. The Blue Jays don’t appear that sound on the fundamentals.
   90. cardsfanboy Posted: September 28, 2022 at 10:24 PM (#6098278)
(note: I had forgotten about the Mets vs Phillies comeback, got caught up on the bottom of the ninth thing, that was some serious s-t that the Mets managed to do, 6 run comeback in the 9th inning)
   91. Howie Menckel Posted: September 28, 2022 at 10:41 PM (#6098281)
no playoff format will be perfect, but....

6 teams, 2 byes, Dodgers are impossible, Mets and Braves both might win 100 games but only one bye left.

tonight, with two down-to-the-wire games ahead of the weekend 3-game showdown, was EPIC.

Mets win as Escobar - amid a Ruthian Sept - knocks in all 5 runs while Braves lose in extras.

a Mets W on Friday would put them 2 up with 5 games to go AND clinch the season series.
   92. cardsfanboy Posted: September 28, 2022 at 10:55 PM (#6098285)
0-2 count with bases loaded and no outs, and Gallegos manages to walk in the run.
   93. cardsfanboy Posted: September 28, 2022 at 10:58 PM (#6098286)
well that game sucked. I guess I can turn off my proxy and stop watching it (5-1 Brewers in the 8th) and get some work done.
   94. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 28, 2022 at 11:03 PM (#6098287)
Gallegos is possibly the slowest pitcher in MLB. I like to see him fail.
   95. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 28, 2022 at 11:18 PM (#6098288)
The AL batting title battle got a little tighter today (rounded to 6 decimals):

Judge: .313406
Arraez: .313321
   96. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: September 29, 2022 at 01:57 PM (#6098344)
WTAF are the Red Sox wearing? Robin's-egg blue and egg yolk yellow?
   97. JJ1986 Posted: September 29, 2022 at 05:00 PM (#6098376)
I was told the Phillies did not have an hilariously bad defense anymore.
   98. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 29, 2022 at 05:16 PM (#6098380)
WTAF are the Red Sox wearing? Robin's-egg blue and egg yolk yellow?

Slow Pitch Softball uniforms to go along with the home plate umpire who handed Ort FIVE gift strikes in the 9th inning alone, all on pitches that were clearly outside and never even approached the strike zone. Why not just expand home plate to 20" and get it over with, since that's what half the home plate umps these days seem to be doing on their own?
   99. The Duke Posted: September 29, 2022 at 08:49 PM (#6098399)
The Ghost of Gene Mauch has come to haunt the Phillies this year
   100. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 29, 2022 at 11:33 PM (#6098421)
Ohtani refusing to give up the MVP that easy. Working on a no-no in the 6th, 1 for 3 at the dish. Seriously, this guy is just unreal.
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