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   1. The Duke Posted: May 13, 2022 at 12:03 PM (#6076540)
This is the "you may be logging into a fake website" omnichatter
   2. Walt Davis Posted: May 13, 2022 at 06:32 PM (#6076602)
All safe and secure now, in time for the Reds-Pirates game that I'm sure we'll all be watching.
   3. Howie Menckel Posted: May 13, 2022 at 06:58 PM (#6076605)
sure, the Mets would listen if the Cubs called re Contreras.

McCann out 6 weeks with a broken hand, and a team as good and as rich as the Mets should have a catcher like McCann as a backup - not a starter. then they get by with Nido as backup until McCann returns, then demote him.

and today's callup, the bearded wonder that is Pat Mazeika, should be in AAA as a "break glass in case of emergency" guy.

Mets already made the mistake of giving the Cubs ex-No. 1 pick Pete Crow-Armstrong (whose mom is the mom in the "Little Big League" movie - the one where the kid takes over the Minnesota Twins) for a useless half season of Javy Baez last year to try to get Lindor to stop pouting. so they are forgiven if they think they can fleece the Mets again.
   4. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 13, 2022 at 07:01 PM (#6076607)
   5. Walt Davis Posted: May 13, 2022 at 07:45 PM (#6076611)
There are a lot of ways to describe 299/371/515, 141 OPS+ and 1.9 WAR in 2 months ... but "useless" is not one that springs to mind.

PCA should be getting a promotion to A+ fairly soon. So sure, if the Mets can beat whatever the Yanks will offer, they should feel free to give Jed a call.
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: May 13, 2022 at 08:22 PM (#6076615)
useless" is not one that springs to mind.

would you prefer "pointless?"
then let's go with that.

if a trade is made with a specific goal in mind - to make the playoffs - and it fails, strikes me as a distinction without a difference. I didn't say Baez was awful, only that the trade was a failure. which it was.

first visit for Mariners to play the Mets is tonight - last AL team not to have played there.
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 13, 2022 at 08:22 PM (#6076616)
Judge BB, Stanton HR (#10) to CF (427 feet) in top of 1st @ ChiSox.
   8. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 13, 2022 at 08:29 PM (#6076618)
He's slipping, though. The exit velocity was only 109 MPH.
   9. JJ1986 Posted: May 13, 2022 at 08:37 PM (#6076619)
I thought the Mets broadcast said that Eugenio Suarez had the most home runs in the big leagues since the start of 2019. More than any other announcers they should know that's not right, but was Suarez 2nd? I can't find anyone besides Alonso who beats him.
   10. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 13, 2022 at 08:41 PM (#6076620)
Josh Donaldson just tried to tag out Tim Anderson off 3rd base by using his knee against Anderson's head to get him off the bag.
   11. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 13, 2022 at 09:05 PM (#6076624)
The Yankees putting a knee to Vince Velasquez's head. 5-0 early.
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 13, 2022 at 09:38 PM (#6076630)
Aaron Judge HRs (#12) to RF (355 feet) to make it 6-0, Yankees, heading into bottom of 4th.
   13. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 13, 2022 at 09:46 PM (#6076631)
ChiSox are playing “Let It Be” as Yankees challenge close play at 1st. Looked barely out by half an eyelash, but that’s good enough for the call to stand. Hadn't noticed such musical selections for the replay interval before, but maybe I was just not paying sufficient attention.
   14. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 13, 2022 at 10:01 PM (#6076636)
Joey Gallo joins the party with his 4th HR (368 feet) & 5th RBI of the season. 7-1, Yankees.
   15. The Duke Posted: May 13, 2022 at 10:36 PM (#6076645)
Before the game started tonight the ump ejected two of Jordan Hicks' gloves. The clubhouse manager then had to come out to the mound with an armful of gloves for Hicks to choose. No explanation. Seems to have something to do with color but the glove he chose seems to be the same color as one of the ejected gloves.
   16. Walt Davis Posted: May 13, 2022 at 11:01 PM (#6076650)
So Cubs-Dbacks on Apple which means I can't watch in NZ, even through a VPN although I can probably figure out a way to work around that if I really want to. (Games are available on AppleTV Australia but not NZ.)

Anyway, in seeing if I could access through Australia I did manage to pull up the Australian page where it promised me the excitement of watching "the Cubs' Jason Heyward take on the DBacks' Ketel Marte."

I got shivers as I'm sure you did.

Now I'm willing to believe Heyward and Marte are the closest thing to "non-zero chance somebody in Australia has heard of" that each team has. But still, who do they think they are pitching this to? Clearly not people who know baseball. But won't the Aussie baseball neophyte be disappointed to find out that they won't witness the great Jason Heyward going head-to-head against the exciting Ketel Marte? Baseball just ain't "LeBron vs Giannis" no matter how much MLB might wish it was.

And I know the Cubs are popular but if Apple paid more than 50 cents for the rights to this one ...
   17. Walt Davis Posted: May 13, 2022 at 11:05 PM (#6076651)
#15 ... it's usually something like a tassel or long bit of leather or a shiny/white thing on the label, etc. Unless he pitches with a 1B or C glove.

I forget who it was but somebody was pitching with a glove that was practically mustard yellow that I felt should have been disallowed for aesthetic reasons.
   18. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 13, 2022 at 11:14 PM (#6076654)
Josh Donaldson’s HR makes it 9-3 Yankees in 9th. Bats have really come around of late.
   19. The Duke Posted: May 13, 2022 at 11:19 PM (#6076655)
Cardinals are collapsing to .500 quickly. No hitting, inconsistent pen. They aren't too far away from catching up to Pirates and Cubs. Tyler O'Neill looks lost, Dylan Carlson is hitting with a wet noodle, and they are only getting decent at bats from Edman, Goldy, and Arenado.

It's so bad they have two rookies playing out of position in the field and a Pujols is getting starts at 1B. Yikes. Hopefully just a slump that will pass.

New manager doesn't seem to be any different than old one.

   20. Walt Davis Posted: May 14, 2022 at 12:07 AM (#6076661)
We might have more sympathy for you if those 3 guys weren't putting up OPS+ of 139, 138 and 185 respectively.
   21. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 14, 2022 at 12:21 AM (#6076663)
The Royals and Rockies are playing one of the worst defensive games I have ever seen.
   22. Hombre Brotani Posted: May 14, 2022 at 07:00 PM (#6076732)
Four GIDPs turned by the Angels today.
   23. Walt Davis Posted: May 14, 2022 at 09:22 PM (#6076739)
I was about to make fun of the Cubs for batting Yan Gomes cleanup today ... but he just hit a game-tying HR. 1-1 in the 4th of this game even I have difficulty caring about.
   24. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: May 14, 2022 at 09:45 PM (#6076743)
Red Sox going from old school, to new school, back to old school and have had consecutive starters actually make it into the 7th inning.

Wouldn't seem such a huge feat but considering the starters were Pivetta and the ageless Rich Hill, it is something of note.

Of course they are playing the Rangers and had a nice lead in both games going into the 7th, but still, it's something.

Any time the Sox can avoid, "turning it over to the 'pen" this season appears to be the prudent move.

Sox up 9-3 in the 7th and looking to extend their winning streak to...2! Small steps baby, small steps...
   25. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: May 14, 2022 at 10:07 PM (#6076749)
Red Sox bringing in Barnes in the 9th with a 7 run lead; Sox fans are somewhere between mildly and somewhat confident the lead should be safe.
   26. Dillon Gee Escape Plan Posted: May 14, 2022 at 10:14 PM (#6076750)
Red Sox going from old school, to new school, back to old school and have had consecutive starters actually make it into the 7th inning.

Wouldn't seem such a huge feat but considering the starters were Pivetta and the ageless Rich Hill, it is something of note.

Of course they are playing the Rangers and had a nice lead in both games going into the 7th, but still, it's something.

Any time the Sox can avoid, "turning it over to the 'pen" this season appears to be the prudent move.

Sox up 9-3 in the 7th and looking to extend their winning streak to...2! Small steps baby, small steps...


They even hit multiple home runs!
   27. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: May 14, 2022 at 10:29 PM (#6076758)
And of course I had it wrong, the Sox did NOT trust Barnes with the delicate 9th, but the 8th inning. Now up 11-3 in the 9th. I'm going out on a limb and declaring this lead safe for the Red Sox even with 3 more outs to get.

As Dillon also points up, multiple homers! 14 hits!, what has become of the 2022 Red Sox? Are these now a more realistic version of what we can expect? Only 5 back in the chase for the WC!
   28. Dillon Gee Escape Plan Posted: May 14, 2022 at 10:48 PM (#6076762)
8 hits from the murderer's row known as Cordero/Vazquez/Dalbec/JBJ.
   29. The Duke Posted: May 14, 2022 at 10:57 PM (#6076764)
If any of you have mlbtv, there was a really cool play in the Giants-cards game today. Watch the Giants video feed. It happens at the end of the top of the 5th. Go to the point where they've just put runners on first and third. Oli Marmol walks to mound to talk to pitcher. There's an interesting mound conference which the announcers make note of. Yaz is at the plate in a 1-0 game with runners on first and third. Pitcher is tiring - this is his last batter.

Inexplicably, Kapler puts the runner on first in motion and Yadi guns him down on a pitchout.

When the game resumes in bottom of fifth the giants tv crew shows what both base runners are doing in one of those panoramic shots (it takes them a batter or two to get back to this ). Then they find a camera angle where the camera is just focused on Yadi as he watches Kapler give signs to the 3rd base coach and then yadi turns and watches the 3rd base coach relay the signs and then yadi turns and watches the first base coach and runner. He then calls for a pitchout and guns Pederson down because he read the whole play.

Very cool sequence and amazing camera work
   30. Howie Menckel Posted: May 14, 2022 at 11:32 PM (#6076771)
fog descending off Flushing Bay as the Mets try to hold a 5-4 lead vs Seattle in the 8th - a lead created by an unlikely HR by backup C/mascot Patrick Mazeika.....
   31. Howie Menckel Posted: May 14, 2022 at 11:51 PM (#6076774)
Diaz has his 100 mph heater and his FILTHY slider working on all cylinders.

whiffs the side in the 9th in the rain - 7 hours or so after many Mets fans arrived to make sure they'd get their Pete Alonso Bobblehead complete with a detachable Polar Bear head.

yes, really
   32. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 15, 2022 at 11:24 AM (#6076793)
There's an interesting mound conference
No such thing.
   33. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 15, 2022 at 02:50 PM (#6076809)
Rough 2nd inning for ChiSox starter Michael Kopech: after 2 outs, BB, 1B, BB, BB, BB & WP gives Yankees a 3-0 lead.
   34. Howie Menckel Posted: May 15, 2022 at 03:10 PM (#6076811)
Mets had 4 triples all season - then added a pair of 2-run three-baggers in the 4th inning for a 5-4 lead
   35. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 15, 2022 at 04:08 PM (#6076816)
The Reds Hunter Greene exits with one out in 8th, despite not giving up a hit. 9 K’s & 5 BB put him at 118 pitches. An interesting fellow to watch, might help attendance.

EDIT: Helped by 3 BB, the Pirates score a run without a hit in bottom of 8th, to take a 1-0 lead, which sets up a non-no-no hitless game if the Reds don’t come back in top of 9th.
   36. The Duke Posted: May 15, 2022 at 04:17 PM (#6076817)
Reds lose a no-hitter. That sums up their season nicely
   37. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 15, 2022 at 04:18 PM (#6076818)
7 scoreless innings for Yankees ace Nestor Cortes, lowering his ERA to 1.14, before Adam Engel squeezes a HR inside the LF foul pole, but he escapes without further damage. At 99 pitches, and presumably done for the day to make way for 9th inning closer.
   38. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 15, 2022 at 04:36 PM (#6076825)
2-run HR by Joey Gallo give the Yankees some breathing room, 5-1, on only 2 hits, heading into bottom of 9th. That’s 5 HRs & 7 RBI for Gallo this season.

EDIT: It’s final, 5-1 Yankees, giving them 3 of 4 In Chicago.
   39. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: May 15, 2022 at 05:09 PM (#6076834)
Rough 2nd inning for ChiSox starter Michael Kopech: after 2 outs, BB, 1B, BB, BB, BB & WP gives Yankees a 3-0 lead.

And in his other 5 innings he pitched perfect ball!

The cherry on the top of that game was that it was over in 2:32.
   40. kwarren Posted: May 15, 2022 at 06:26 PM (#6076865)
Anybody know why Ottavino is the winning pitcher instead of Shreve. (Saturday night Mets/Seattle game). As far as I can tell Shreve was the pitcher of record when the winning run scored.

I've never seen this before. Am I missing something ?? Just to confirm, Ottavino did not throw a pitch in the 7th inning, nor was he announced as being in the game.

This would normally be a "scavenger" win for Shreve, after he & Lugo killed the win for Bassitt. Ottavino should have nothing to do with the decision. He came into the game after his team re-acquired the lead and should not be eligible.

A pitcher cannot normally be the winning pitcher when is not in the game when the winning run is scored, unless the winning run was scored when the starter (who did no go five innings) was still in the game.

This is not the case here. Ottavino should be credited with a hold. MLB.com also shows Ottavino as the winning pitcher. If the official scored made an error, I guess it would show up this way in all the box scores.

Are these type of errors corrected after the fact ?? Does anybody know ?


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
0 0 0 0 0 1 3 0 0 4 9 3
1 0 2 0 1 0 1 0 - 5 7 0
Mariners
SEA
Mets
NYM

WIN
A. Ottavino(2-1)
1.0 IP, 0 ER, 0 K, 0 BB

LOSS
A. Munoz(1-1)
1.0 IP, 1 ER, 2 K, 0 BB

SAVE
E. Diaz(8)
1.0 IP, 0 ER, 3 K, 0 BB



Mets
Mets Pitching

PITCHERS IP H R ER BB K HR PC-ST ERA
C. Bassitt 5.2 5 1 1 3 8 0 108-68 2.34
S. Lugo (H, 6) 0.2 2 2 2 1 0 0 18-10 4.15
C. Shreve (B, 1) 0.2 1 1 1 1 1 1 14-7 2.19
A. Ottavino (W, 2-1)1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 15-8 4.97
E. Diaz (S, 8) 1.0 0 0 0 0 3 0 18-12 1.80
TEAM 9.0 4 4 5 12 1 173-105
   41. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 15, 2022 at 07:33 PM (#6076873)
This is BS, tuning in to Giants@Cards... already 4:0.
Probably that bum Yadier Slowlina again.
   42. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 15, 2022 at 08:33 PM (#6076878)
Gabe Kapler pulls Ródon. Too early?
   43. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 15, 2022 at 08:50 PM (#6076880)
Yadier Slowmina can really kiss my ARSE forever! Retire already, you ANTI-Baseball #######!

Hope your balls get hit by fastballs for all eternity !
   44. The Duke Posted: May 15, 2022 at 08:57 PM (#6076883)
Redbirds have installed Sosa at SS which was the point the team started to play better last year. He's a better fit for their game. Gold glove defense, fast, good base runner and has the HBP secret sauce. A SS version of a Tommy Edman
   45. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 15, 2022 at 09:18 PM (#6076892)
Just walk off the field Giants, #### this game. #### Yadi, #### Pujols... hope you never see them again!
   46. BDC Posted: May 15, 2022 at 09:51 PM (#6076914)
kwarren #40: Rule 9.17(c):
The official scorer shall not credit as the winning pitcher a
relief pitcher who is ineffective in a brief appearance, when at
least one succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively in helping
his team maintain its lead. In such a case, the official scorer
shall credit as the winning pitcher the succeeding relief pitcher
who was most effective, in the judgment of the official scorer.
Rule 9.17(c) Comment: The official scorer generally should,
but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief
pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches
less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to
score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher).


Shreve pitched 2/3 of an inning and allowed three earned runs to score on Winker's HR (though two were charged to Lugo).

I guess you could argue that Diaz should have gotten the W as slightly more effective than Ottavino, but Ottavino was pretty effective, and giving him the win gives Diaz a save so everyone is happy.
   47. Howie Menckel Posted: May 15, 2022 at 10:17 PM (#6076919)
Pujols on the bump in the 9th with the Cardinals AHEAD 15-2, allows:
walk
fly out
single
FC
3-run HR
HR
ground out

or has mlb.com lost its mind?

Jason Collette
@jasoncollette
·
7m
Biggest difference between homers hit and homers allowed:

Babe Ruth: 704
Albert Pujols: 679
   48. kwarren Posted: May 16, 2022 at 12:15 AM (#6076936)
BDC - #46

The quote that you posted only applies when the winning team did not relinquish the lead after the starting pitcher left the game.

This was not the case in the example that I gave.


Rule 9.17(a) should have been used in the game that I was referring to, when the team did relinquish the lead.

9.17 Winning and Losing Pitcher

(a) The Official Scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher that pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead

Rule 9.17(a) Comment:

Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the winning pitcher is concerned. Once the opposing team assumes the lead, all pitchers who have pitched up to that point and have been replaced are excluded from being credited with the victory. If the pitcher against whose pitching the opposing team gained the lead continues to pitch until his team regains the lead, which it holds to the finish of the game, that pitcher shall be the winning pitcher.
   49. kwarren Posted: May 16, 2022 at 12:16 AM (#6076937)
that pitcher shall be the winning pitcher.
   50. BDC Posted: May 16, 2022 at 08:42 AM (#6076955)
I guess that's a possible interpretation … I admit too subtle for me. The starting pitcher somewhat fades from view as rule 9.17 goes on, and 9.17(c) seems to refer to any brief and ineffective reliever at any point.
   51. kwarren Posted: May 16, 2022 at 10:23 AM (#6076964)
Rule 9.17(c) is only intended to be used, when no winning pitcher can be determined by using 9.17(a) or 9.17(b).

9.17(a) is the prescribed method to determine the winning pitcher when the lead is relinquished after the starting leaves, and happened in this game. In this case it was done. Somebody pointed out to me on another site, that this has been done before, but is clearly an error by the official scorer. Some scorers are too quick to jump to the effectiveness method of determining a winning pitcher, when it is not correct or appropriate to do so at least according to rules as they are written.

There is a lot of common sense not awarding a win to a pitcher who has blown a lead for his team, simply because he was the pitcher of record when his team reacquired the lead. But the rule is clearly not based on common sense.
   52. BDC Posted: May 16, 2022 at 11:44 AM (#6076980)
Trying to weave my way through it … 9.17(a) says
The official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher that
pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the
game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is
removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead,
unless
( 1) such pitcher is a starting pitcher and Rule 9.17(b) (Rule
10.17(b) applies; or (2) Rule 9.17(c) (Rule 10.17(c))
applies.


IOW, in this case, Shreve, unless Shreve is an example of 9.17(c); and per the comment there, he is a textbook example of 9.17(c).

I don't have any huge investment in this interpretation, which is not necessarily right, as you say, just because the official scorer adopted it. I'll just say I agree with the scorer here :)

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