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OMNICHATTER for the weekend of September 12-13, 2020

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   1. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 12, 2020 at 04:25 PM (#5976033)
Yankees win 2-1 in the 10th on a rare leadoff sacrifice fly. Ghost runner had advanced from 2nd to 3rd on a wild pitch, which would have just been a ball in a normal game. Luke Voit’s sacrifice fly then walked it off. Very 2020.
   2. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 12, 2020 at 05:58 PM (#5976044)
False positive?
The Giants and Padres could potentially return to the field Sunday for a doubleheader, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports (Twitter link). The player who originally tested positive for COVID-19 has since had two negative test results, and if other tests are passed tonight, the Giants could be cleared to return to action.
   3. Howie Menckel Posted: September 12, 2020 at 06:10 PM (#5976045)
entering Saturday



1. Athletics 28-15
2. Rays 29-16
3. White Sox 28-16

4. Twins 28-18
5. Blue Jays 24-20
6. Astros 22-23

7. Indians 26-19
8. Yankees 24-21

BAL and CLE 20-24, SEA 19-25, LAA 18-28
KC 18-28, BOS 16-30, TEX 15-29


1. Dodgers 32-13
2. Braves 26-19
3. Cubs 26-20

4. Padres 29-17
5. Phillies 22-20
6. Cardinals 19-19

7. Marlins 21-20
8. Giants 23-22

COL 21-23, MIL 20-22, NYM 21-24, CIN 20-25
WAS 17-26, ARI 17-29, PIT 14-28

did they approve the silly "selection show" made-for-TV idea where the top seeds get to choose from among the bottom 4? I wonder who would pick the Yankees....
   4. Howie Menckel Posted: September 12, 2020 at 08:04 PM (#5976061)
ever see a pitcher make a putout at third base?

Blue Jays had 1st and 2nd, none out, and Mets P Seth Lugo induced a weak grounder between the mound and third base.

Lugo fielded it and wanted to toss the ball to 3B J.D. Davis, but Davis had committed to the grounder so no one was home at third.

so Lugo - a fine athlete - sprinted to the bag just in time to make the unassisted force play.

pretty cool.
   5. Howie Menckel Posted: September 12, 2020 at 08:44 PM (#5976074)
Mets announcer Gary Cohen informs us that Didi Gregorius tonight became the first Phillies SS ever to hit two grand slams in one season. a mundane fact.

Gary spices it up a little with "Granny Hamner never did it, Larry Bowa never did it..."

Keith Hernandez one-ups him on feeble bats from a half-century ago with "Bobby Wine never did it..."

this prompts Cohen to recall a certain Phillies keystone combo BITD known as "The Days of Wine and [Cookie] Rojas."

   6. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:04 PM (#5976078)
The Cubs might never score again.
   7. Meatwad Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:06 PM (#5976079)
This offense is broken. The brewers are not this good.
   8. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:22 PM (#5976081)
Those Sars2 tests are 33% crap.
Which is a great baseball average.
   9. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:32 PM (#5976082)
The Cubs might never score again.

All for it.
   10. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:35 PM (#5976083)
   11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:36 PM (#5976084)
"Houston Cheats Bang Bang" banner flew above Dodger Stadium during today’s game against Astros. One of several scheduled.
   12. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:36 PM (#5976085)
Hey, it's Yard !
   13. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:37 PM (#5976086)
Well that was unexpected, especially with lefties doing the damage.
   14. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:39 PM (#5976087)
Cubs will not score anymore.
   15. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:40 PM (#5976088)
Can the Brewers win this one though ?!
Stay tuned.
   16. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:41 PM (#5976089)
Quite an outing for Hader.
   17. Howie Menckel Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:45 PM (#5976090)
The Cubs might never score again.

outstanding work

also, Hendricks liable to get Cueto-d.

in Cueto's last 2 starts and this one by Hendricks, you let your vet SP go deep into a game, get 2 outs, but then if a runner reaches first base you yank him while trailing in a close game - important because you want to get your vet SP out of there so that the win can go to a no-name reliever who throws a couple of pitches to get one out in a benign spot.

of course, Craig "The Arsonist" Kimbrel is in there flapping his vulture wings so.......
   18. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:46 PM (#5976091)
Hard Times @CubsFans

Kimbrel for POTUS.
   19. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:51 PM (#5976092)
Load em up !
   20. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:52 PM (#5976093)
lol, the Vargas tag.
   21. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:53 PM (#5976094)
Lucky Cubs, again.
   22. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 12, 2020 at 09:59 PM (#5976095)
Alden Gonzalez, ESPN Staff Writer

A sampling of the playlist from Dodgers organist Dieter Ruehle tonight: "Lyin' Eyes," The Eagles; "The Sign," Ace of Base; "Bangin' on a Trash Can," Doug (yes, the cartoon); "Mental Health (Bang Your Head)," Quiet Riot.
Bit of a grudge by all appearances.
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: September 12, 2020 at 10:01 PM (#5976096)
I'm curious how bb-ref listed the Cardinals as better odds to win the championship than the Cubs...saw a post on that today...
   24. Howie Menckel Posted: September 12, 2020 at 10:08 PM (#5976099)
in what feels like a must-win game for the Mets, they trail 3-2 in the 9th but Nimmo leads off with a walk because it's what he does.

Dolis goes 2-0 on Ramos, and he and the Jays bench are very frustrated.

so Ramos swings at ball 3 and hits a feeble grounder to third base. the subset of MLB hitters who get doubled up on this ball can be counted on one hand - but Ramos is in that group, alas.

Rosario up, takes a 2-0 pitch for a strike and a 2-1 pitch that was very borderline but called a strike.

at 2-2, he swings at a pitch that bounced into the dirt - to the point where the ball got away and he reached first base.

McNeil is up, and Dolis bounces the first pitch in the dirt. he swings at it anyway, and this time the catcher doesn't let the ball get as far away.

a walk
5 straight balls
a strike
a very borderline strike
a swung-at wild pitch
a swung-at near wild pitch

then Rosario is picked off to end the game - which really belongs in the Official Mets Self-Immolation Thread.

my larger point is that if you are down by a run and the closer is incapable of throwing strikes, let him walk the damn run or runs in.

I think it was last week that a team let unhittable Josh Hader walk 4 in a row (he got hammered for 4 runs tonight, and who knows if it was because he worried the secret was out and he couldn't just throw 3 pitches that hit home plate and then on to the next batter?).

it's especially important with guys like Hader and Chapman - but also with any closer who is visibly frustrated, gesturing at the home plate ump, and who keeps missing the plate.

and here we have the next great MLB inefficiency to be exploited.
   25. cardsfanboy Posted: September 12, 2020 at 10:16 PM (#5976107)
agree... closers frequently can't find the strike zone and you are helping them when you swing at their knockout pitch... make them work the count to their favor, if they can't then keep waiting.
   26. cardsfanboy Posted: September 12, 2020 at 10:17 PM (#5976108)
at the same time, if they have two strikes on you... you don't have any room to exploit them.
   27. cardsfanboy Posted: September 12, 2020 at 10:32 PM (#5976119)
It was 3-1... I walked away from gameday for maybe two minutes and it's 6-1... who says pace of play is slow.
   28. cardsfanboy Posted: September 12, 2020 at 10:33 PM (#5976120)
At some point Bader needs to replace Edman at the top of the lineup...

7-1 after an Edman double play and Goldschmidt homerun.
   29. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 12, 2020 at 11:01 PM (#5976127)
Kenley Jansen has given up 4 hits & 2 runs without recording an out, cutting the Dodgers lead to 5-4.

EDIT: 5 hits now, and the game is tied.

EDIT II: 6 hits, and the Dodgers trail 6-5. Jansen now exiting. Still no one out.

EDIT III: Astros up 7-5 after Dodgers disastrous top of 9th.
   30. Howie Menckel Posted: September 12, 2020 at 11:18 PM (#5976129)

"I meant to ask you how when everything seemed lost

Your fate was in a game of dice they tossed

There was still that line that you would never cross

At any cost

I meant to ask you how you lived what you believed

With nothing but your heart up your sleeve

And if you ever really were deceived

By the likes of me

Bang the can slowly, play the pipe lowly

To dust be returning, from dust we begin"
   31. Howie Menckel Posted: September 12, 2020 at 11:54 PM (#5976137)
entering Sunday



1. Rays 30-16
2. Athletics 29-16
2. White Sox 26-16

4. Twins 29-18
5. Blue Jays 25-20
6. Astros 23-23

7. Indians 26-20
8. Yankees 25-21

BAL and DET and SEA 20-25
KC and LAA 19-28, BOS 16-30, TEX 16-30


1. Dodgers 32-14
2. Braves 27-19
3. Cubs 27-20

4. Padres 29-17
5. Phillies 23-20
6. Cardinals 20-19

7. Giants 23-22
8. Marlins 21-21

COL 21-24, MIL 20-23, NYM 21-25, CIN 20-26
WAS 17-27, ARI 17-30, PIT 14-29

who doesn't qualify even if they "run the table?"

Red Sox and Rangers
likely Angels and Royals
maybe Pirates and Diamondbacks
   32. cardsfanboy Posted: September 13, 2020 at 12:33 AM (#5976140)
Of all the websites in the world that I don't want to default to mute, for some reason defaults to mute.... annoying and also satisfying.... watching highlights is annoying, and since I don't actually have the ability to watch live games, it's bothering.
   33. cardsfanboy Posted: September 13, 2020 at 12:45 AM (#5976141)
Just curious, how many games do the Mess have remaining with the Marlins? They look like a team that can surprise.

Mind you there are a whole host of things out there that can change post 31...

If I'm a betting man, I take the NL east Braves and Phils seems pretty safe... I have no faith in the Marlins and doubt they beat the Mets for the post season....

NL Central... Cubs have already won regardless of the current record... I'll put my money on the Brewers or Cards making the wild card, with the other being the second team in the central... the wild card fight being between the Mess, Giants, Brewers/Cards...

Miami might be ahead currently, and short stuff and crap... but they just aren't that good. (and Brewers aren't as bad as they have played)... and the Giants are as good, but it's a short season....

   34. Walt Davis Posted: September 13, 2020 at 03:59 AM (#5976148)
Somebody asked about b-r preferring Cards over Cubs for postseason. I assume that's their SRS -- the Cubs are at 0 and the Cards at 0.5. The Cubs also have 8 games left against the best of the ALC and the ALC has walloped the NLC this year (+16). Cubs have held their own at 7-5, incl 3-2 vs CWS and Cle. The Cards meanwhile have 5 against Pitt and 3 against KC (and 10 against Milw) but a lot of those are DHs -- 19 games in 15 days (which still leaves them 2 shy of the full 60). So they've played a tougher schedule to date but are also just 7-8 against the ALC ... but they also have the bigger run differential despite 8 fewer games played. So they're 3 games under their pythag and the Cubs are 1 over. I notice the Cubs are also just 13-17 in their last 30 games (not that the Cards' 15-15 is impressive).

So the nerdy stuff all suggests the Cards are a better team than the Cubs. I doubt the nerdy stuff accounts for 19 games in 15 days though.

Still the Cubs at 3.8% seems low. That's barely over 1/30 random chance and well under the 1/16 playoff crapshoot chances. Still, could be nuttier -- the 29-17 Padres are at 2.5% -- the Mets have a better chance per b-r. The Cards stand a distant 3rd (Dodgers 19.4; Braves 11.5).

They also seem to give a slight edge to the NL which I think is strictly Dodgers. The Astros lead the AL at 9.1% followed closely by the A's at 8.8 and the Yanks at 8.2. The Cards have a better chance than the Rays and the Jays nearly the same chance as the Padres.
   35. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 13, 2020 at 02:13 PM (#5976179)
The Nationals Max Scherzer has struck out 10 Braves in 5 innings. 2-2 heading into bottom of 5th.
   36. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 13, 2020 at 03:53 PM (#5976202)
Gleyber Torres’ 8th inning, 2-run, pinch hit double put the Yankees up 3-1, and Aroldis Chapman comes in for the 1-2-3 save. The 4-game sweep pretty much ends any Orioles playoff hopes, while leaving the Yankees in a comfortable position, although a bit more work needs to be done to secure whatever home field advantage might be available for the 1st round.
   37. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 13, 2020 at 04:07 PM (#5976209)
The bowels of the wretched Phils bullpen hold the marlins to 2 runs in a bullpen game in game 1 of a DH, but former farm hand Sixto Sanchez gives up 1 run.

Hoskins and Realmuto are not starting either game due to injuries.

The Marlins continue to bedevil the Phils
   38. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 13, 2020 at 04:19 PM (#5976213)
Real Phils starter Zach Eflin has given up 3 runs with no outs in game 2.
   39. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 13, 2020 at 04:27 PM (#5976215)
Possible notable achievement by Cubs pitcher Alec Mills (who?) in 7th inning. Leading Brewers 10-0.

EDIT: 7 complete.

EDIT II: 7 and a third innings.
   40. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 13, 2020 at 04:48 PM (#5976221)
Mills at 103 pitches through 8 innings. Still notable.

EDIT: 1 out to go.

   41. Walt Davis Posted: September 13, 2020 at 05:01 PM (#5976222)
   42. Brian C Posted: September 13, 2020 at 05:04 PM (#5976223)
   43. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: September 13, 2020 at 05:08 PM (#5976224)
Can't decide what the more surprising Cub accomplishment was this weekend: Mills' no-hitter, Heyward hitting a game-winning homer off of Hader, or Kimbrel getting a save with a scoreless ninth.
   44. Walt Davis Posted: September 13, 2020 at 05:08 PM (#5976225)
Surely one of the less likely no-hitters in history. 3 BB and 5 K so you BIP fanatics would have loved it. Puts him on 17 straight shutout innings though and I notice he has always been stingy with base-hits with a career 267 BABIP (gives up a fair number of HRs though).

I only found out about it in the t 9th (it's just past 7 am here) ... odd to see a genuine position player on the mound (Arcia). Anyway, I got nothing to say about his performance other than hooray.
   45. Brian C Posted: September 13, 2020 at 05:18 PM (#5976227)
When I was a kid, the Cubs went through a long time without no-hitters - Pappas in '72 until Zambrano in '08. But now 4 in the last 12 years, although this one is easily the most surprising of the 4, one of those truly random no-hitters that happened for a lot of teams other than the Cubs when I was growing up.
   46. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 13, 2020 at 06:12 PM (#5976233)
I was only passively paying attention to the game, and I checked out completely once they had nine up on the Brewers. I didn’t even realize Mills was throwing a no-hitter until my friend texted me and asked, “Who the #### is Alec Mills.”
   47. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 13, 2020 at 06:40 PM (#5976236)
Phils manage 7 hits total in a DH vs. Marlins by pitchers making their 5th and 1st starts.
   48. Walt Davis Posted: September 14, 2020 at 03:02 AM (#5976271)
When I was a kid, the Cubs went through a long time without no-hitters - Pappas in '72 until Zambrano in '08.

In their defense, they went a lot longer between being no-hit. Also, you just got born at the wrong time apparently. I didn't see Holtzmann's first one but saw his 2nd on TV, was in-person for Hooton's and listened to Pappas's on the radio (I'd had to listen on the radio cuz Mom was making me clean my room -- DURING A CUBS GAME!! It was probably an important lesson I was supposed to learn and failed. Anyway, you can't risk jinxing a pitcher switching from radio to TV so I finished it out on the radio.) I thought no-hitters were gonna be a regular occurrence.

The Mets finally threw one right?

EDIT: GRR, I hate it when I don't realize I'm in yesterday's omnichatter before wasting a post.
   49. Rally Posted: September 14, 2020 at 08:21 AM (#5976277)
Surely one of the less likely no-hitters in history. 3 BB and 5 K so you BIP fanatics would have loved it.

Not really. In recent years we've been deluged by the strikeout but this kind of no-hitter was common in my youth, and with a bit of research, even more recently.

Francisco Liriano struck out only 2, walked 6 in a 2011 no-hitter. Strange as Liriano was a high-K pitcher, though nothing weird about the walks for him. Jim Abbott struck out only 3 in his no-hitter. Verlander only 4 in his 2011 game. That happened in his Cy/MVP season where he struck out 250.

Mike Warren in 1983 struck out 5 while walking 3, same line as Mills, and for some reason that game came to mind before I even looked it up, I guess what happens in baseball when you are 12 sticks in your head forever.

Scherzer (17), Ryan (16), and Kershaw (15) have the 3 highest K totals for a no-hitter in the last 40 years. 91 games made the list (IP >=9, H = 0, 1980-2020), median strikeouts is 9.

   50. Rally Posted: September 14, 2020 at 08:25 AM (#5976278)
Before 1980, but after 1900, there were 158 no-hitters. Median strikeouts were 5. 4 pitchers even did the feat with zero strikeouts. 3 of them were before the Babe hit 60, but Ken Holtzman did it in 1969.
   51. Walt Davis Posted: September 14, 2020 at 08:38 AM (#5976279)
#49-50 ... I meant more in that Mills isn't a very good pitcher. YC notes in the other thread that the Brewers were 0-11 on hard-hit balls. There have of course also been a number of mediocre pitchers who threw no-no's which is why I filed it under "less likely" not "least likely."
   52. Howie Menckel Posted: September 14, 2020 at 10:46 AM (#5976298)

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