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OMNICHATTER for Thursday, June 2, 2022

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Hombre Brotani Posted: June 02, 2022 at 06:04 AM | 65 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Duke Posted: June 02, 2022 at 09:07 AM (#6079481)
Nationals GM Mike Rizzo: “We Are Not Trading Juan Soto”.

So I guess that have moved into active discussions to trade Soto
   2. salvomania Posted: June 02, 2022 at 12:24 PM (#6079500)
The Cardinals traded Sandy Alcantara and Zac Gallen for two years of Marcell Ozuna (OPS+ of 106 and 109 those two years, during which he missed 46 games).

Meanwhile, the two pitchers, both now 26, are a combined 9-2 for their teams (who are a combined 36-53 in the teams' other decisions), with a 2.14 ERA and 0.97 WHIP in 118 innings.

This is probably one of the rare cases in which multiple young prospects given up for the "established star" actually pan out, but with teams' constant need for reliable starting pitching, it sure looks awful in hindsight.
   3. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 02, 2022 at 12:41 PM (#6079503)
With Sandy Alcantara and Pablo Lopez, the Marlins could have a strong one-two punch at the top of their rotation for years to come. Too bad they decided to build their offense around the Avisail Garcias and Jesus Aguilars of the world.
   4. BDC Posted: June 02, 2022 at 01:01 PM (#6079505)
I'm at the Dome hoping to see the Rangers climb back to .500. Tampa Bay the visitors, but no Wander Franco, who has a right quadilateral or something.
   5. salvomania Posted: June 02, 2022 at 01:07 PM (#6079507)
With Sandy Alcantara and Pablo Lopez, the Marlins could have a strong one-two punch at the top of their rotation for years to come

At least when the Marlins traded Gallen to the DBacks, they got something useful in return in Jazz Chisholm, who put up 2.5 bWAR as a 23-year-old rookie last year, and who already has 2.1 bWAR in 2022.

Despite missing 10 games, Chisholm leads the Marlin in runs, RBI, slugging, OPS, triples, and stolen bases, and is second, to Jorge Soler, in home runs.
   6. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 02, 2022 at 01:25 PM (#6079510)
Hell of a start for the Yankees-Angels game: Carpenter led off against Ohtani, and hit his 11th pitch into the upper deck.

And then Gleyber adds another for a 2-0 lead.
   7. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 02, 2022 at 01:27 PM (#6079511)
Matt Carpenter HR (410 feet) to RF (#3 as a Yankee) off Ohtani in 1st gives the Yankees a 1-0 lead.

EDIT: Gleyber Torres adds a solo shot (380 feet) of his own (#10); 2-0, still in 1st.
   8. salvomania Posted: June 02, 2022 at 01:47 PM (#6079515)
I see Matty C has another homer, this time leading off for the Yankees against Shohei Ohtani.

Carpenter now has 3 homers in 14 ab for the Yankees---exactly what they hoped they might get.

EDIT: Coke to Clapper, and I need to remember to refresh.
   9. salvomania Posted: June 02, 2022 at 01:50 PM (#6079516)
Just noticed that all three of Carpenter's Yankee hits are homers. If he hits .200 he'll have an amazing year.
   10. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 02, 2022 at 02:11 PM (#6079518)
Aaron Judge HR (#19) to LF (405 feet) makes it 3-0 Yankees in 3rd.
   11. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 02, 2022 at 02:16 PM (#6079522)
When it comes to Yankee Stadium, Ohtani should probably just stick to DHing. This is the second time in 2 starts that Yankees have been treating him like a batting practice pitcher. It's still the 3rd inning with 6 hits and 3 runs so far, and most of their outs have been scorchers.
   12. Sleepy was just “inspecting the bunker”, y’all Posted: June 02, 2022 at 02:23 PM (#6079523)
Here’s the link to the original discussion of the ozuna trade, in which I got eviscerated by about 10 people for thinking the deal was an overpay by STL. Some folks thought STL needed to include Flaherty as well… Yeesh.

https://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/newsstand/discussion/cardinals_trade_for_marcell_ozuna_of_marlins
   13. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 02, 2022 at 03:36 PM (#6079530)
Yankees ace Nestor Cortes tossed 6 scoreless innings on 89 pitches, but defying modern conventions comes out for the 7th, quickly retiring the side, and lowering his ERA to 1.50. That should help the somewhat short-handed bullpen in the 2nd game of today’s split doubleheader.

Cortes at 96 pitches through 7, so looks like he’s on for the 8th, too, with Yanks leading 6-0.

EDIT: Clarke Schmidt taking the mound to start the 8th, giving Cortes a bit of well-deserved rest.
   14. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 02, 2022 at 03:44 PM (#6079532)
Ohtoni's career pitching line at Yankee Stadium after today: 3.2 IP, 10 hits, 11 runs.
   15. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 02, 2022 at 03:48 PM (#6079534)
Trout strikes out for the 3rd time today, and is now 0-for-last-12. Probably doesn’t happen a lot.
   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 02, 2022 at 04:26 PM (#6079537)
Rain delay at the start of the 9th @ Yankee Stadium creates a bit of a dilemma. How long can they wait to call the game, since they also have the 2nd game of the split doubleheader at 7:00 PM? Pretty good chance of rain at the start of Game 2, too, although I haven’t consulted Mike Trout for the definitive forecast.
   17. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 02, 2022 at 04:47 PM (#6079540)
Trout strikes out for the 3rd time today, and is now 0-for-last-12. Probably doesn’t happen a lot.
He's had a bad few weeks, including five 0-fers in his last 7 games. Not a coincidence that the Angels have lost all seven in a row. If I had the emotional energy, I'd start posting the daily declaration of defeat again.
   18. salvomania Posted: June 02, 2022 at 07:50 PM (#6079564)
It looks like Joey Votto just needed to get a little COVID to get going in 2022.

Since coming off the IL 12 games ago, Votto is hitting .297/.422/.676, with 9 extra-base-hits---including a 3-run bomb tonight---in 37 ab. He's striking out in 20% of his PA in that span, vs. 32% in the 22 games before getting COVID, when he had a .122/.278/.135 line and just one extra-base hit (a double) in 74 ab.
   19. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 07:50 PM (#6079565)
"Mike Trout will suck again" would at least provide a bit of variety in response to "HOW WILL THE ANGELS LOSE TODAY?"
   20. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 07:59 PM (#6079566)
I would like to lodge a formal complaint on behalf of the Pittsburgh National League Ball Club for the lack of Omnichatter recognition that last night the team completed a 3-game sweep of the Los Angeles Dodgers, in Los Angeles no less. The Club is disappointed at the absence of sarcastic calls to break up the Pirates much less genuine queries as to whether its recent 6-3 run is "for real."
   21. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 08:13 PM (#6079570)
Morel Morelling already. He's now reached base safely in his first 16 games in the majors, this time another double. He also paid his propers to Molina when he stepped into the box and then had one of those "oh yeah" moments and fist-bumped the ump too.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 08:14 PM (#6079571)
And Contreras ups his trade price again (what's taking you guys so long) with a 2-run HR. Cubs 2, Red Menace 0.
   23. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 08:16 PM (#6079572)
Really, for the sake of baseball's survival, we need a rule change that allows the Cubs to bat Morel and Contreras as often as they want.
   24. Howie Menckel Posted: June 02, 2022 at 08:17 PM (#6079573)
in response to 20, this seems commensurate:

24. The Duke Posted: June 01, 2022 at 10:37 PM (#6079454)
Pirates seem to have LAD's number this year.

Last time I saw Pirates against Cards I was thinking this team could finish .500. They will be a force in Central in a few years. Brewers have a good cost controlled team, Cards have a ton of offensive talent, cubs shooting for a 2023 -4 renaissance and pirates about to break out. Cincinnati is screwed

25. Howie Menckel Posted: June 01, 2022 at 11:02 PM (#6079456)
yes, kudos to the Dodgers for at least being competitive against the Pirates juggernaut.

still, barring a late Dodgers rally the Pirates will win the season series, 5-1.

this would be the first time Dodgers swept at home since 2018, which is pretty good.

31. The Duke Posted: June 01, 2022 at 11:24 PM (#6079462)
Pirates doing what great teams do. Sweep the weak teams and play .500 against the good teams.


   25. Howie Menckel Posted: June 02, 2022 at 08:21 PM (#6079574)
looking for the official MLB/DraftKings odds on the likelihood of this one being true:

06.02... Francisco Lindor is not in the lineup for Thursday's game against the Dodgers.
Spin: Lindor slammed his right middle finger into a closing hotel door, and told reporters that the finger is swollen considerably. The star shortstop sounded optimistic that it won't be a long-term injury with hope he could return on Friday, but fantasy managers will obviously need to see what's going on in the coming days. Luis Guillorme gets the start at shortstop Thursday in Lindor's place.
   26. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 08:26 PM (#6079575)
C'mon Howie, those West Coast games don't finish until like 4-5 in the afternoon here, you can't expect me to skip my nana nap.
   27. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 08:27 PM (#6079577)
Given Guillorme is the new Eddie Collins, the Mets won't miss a beat.
   28. Brian C Posted: June 02, 2022 at 08:36 PM (#6079578)
Pujols was just batting with a man on first and one out, and hit a grounder to short that was, as they say, tailor-made for a double play. Only problem was, the Cubs were playing with an IF shift where both the 2B and SS were playing on the 3B side of the bag, so no one available to cover 2B for the DP.

And my question is, how the #### do you find yourself playing an IF alignment that takes away your chance of getting a DP with Albert Pujols - of all people! - at the plate? He literally holds the all-time record for GIDP. It's just comical negligence. Fortunately, the baseball gods were apparently distracted by other matters, and the Cubs got out of the inning.
   29. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 02, 2022 at 08:53 PM (#6079579)
Jameson Taillon unblemished through 6 innings on 71 pitches. Yankees have 7 LOB, so it’s still 0-0.
   30. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 02, 2022 at 09:12 PM (#6079580)
Now 21 Angels up & 21 down in the Bronx, as the Yankees reach back for the Robert Merrill version of GBA for the 7th inning stretch. Taillon at 83 pitches.
   31. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 09:26 PM (#6079582)
So kind of crazy, the Nationals now have a worse record than the Reds and are currently losing 8-1. I guess not really a shock coming into the season, but boy, they “made up” some ground quick. And the Royals have gone and lost 11 of their last 13 to sink the bottom of all of MLB. I think we’re in store for a nice race to the bottom for the rest of the year!
   32. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 02, 2022 at 09:27 PM (#6079583)
Perfecto over.
   33. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 02, 2022 at 09:31 PM (#6079587)
Double to shortstop ends the attempt at perfection. Hard hit ball just to left of 2nd base goes off the glove of Isiah Kiner-Falefa who was shifted well to the 1st base side of 2nd. In the previous inning he had made a stellar play to preserve the perfect game.
   34. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 09:40 PM (#6079594)
Since coming off the IL 12 games ago, Votto is hitting .297/.422/.676, with 9 extra-base-hits---including a 3-run bomb tonight---in 37 ab. He's striking out in 20% of his PA in that span, vs. 32% in the 22 games before getting COVID, when he had a .122/.278/.135 line and just one extra-base hit (a double) in 74 ab.


It’s sometimes hard for me to conceive how bad a line really is, but I think it’s pretty amazing that someone can hit that well over 12 games and still only raise his season line to .179/.328/.330 (about an 80 OPS+).
   35. Howie Menckel Posted: June 02, 2022 at 09:59 PM (#6079607)
Yanks trailed 1-0, bases loaded, one out, 3-2 pitch to hapless Joey Gallo in the bottom of the 8th.

Announcer Michael Kay tries to hype the moment as if we all didn't know how this movie/at-bat ends - with his 3rd whiff of the night.

what's the definition of insanity again?

Rizzo, a genuine hitter, follows with a big 2-run single.
   36. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:19 PM (#6079618)
Yankees sweep, with the 2nd game a really hard-fought contest. Catching Ohtani & Trout at less than their best certainly helped.
   37. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:19 PM (#6079620)
Holmes gets 2 quick outs, walks Ohtani on a full count, then hits Trout and Walsh before getting the final out. That was his 25th straight scoreless inning.
   38. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:20 PM (#6079621)
So it's a day for me catching weird trivia on baseball broadcasts.

First was the White Sox where I learned that Yasmani Grandal is one of only two MLBers whose name starts with "Grand" who have hit a grand slam. (Bases were loaded at the time, they've probably been holding onto that one.) Spoiler alert: the other is Curtis Granderson. Feel free to check on that one.

Now I learn that Willson and William Contreras are one of only 6 pairs of brothers who have hit for a 1000+ OPS in the same month. Can you name the other 5 (assuming I can remember them all)? I'd say all 5 are reasonably famous brother pairs. The earliest was 1925 (?), the most recent was in the 2000s.

EDIT: Warning, I have no idea what PA restriction there might be on that question. William hit 280/379/640 in 58 PA. Willson 290/426/592 in 94 PA. William will cost your team a lot less in trade.
   39. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:25 PM (#6079623)
Gallo has a .204 career average and career OPS+ of 112. I bet you guys talked about this after his season last year, but has anyone ever posted an above average OPS+ with a sub-200 batting average over a 2000 AB career?

Gotta say, I’m fairly terrified for the Mets these next dozen or so games, I’m not sure how if their current starting pitching situation can hold up. If they can manage a better than .500 record over the next couple weeks, I’m gonna start feeling really good about their chances at this being a super memorable season. Not to hex it, but I think they practically have a playoff appearance in the bag already, BBREF has their odds at 98.5%… that’s insane for not even quite a third of the way through the year.
   40. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:27 PM (#6079625)
As a hint, for one of the pairs, I think this is the first time I realized they aren't the same person (i.e. one of them is best known by his nickname).
   41. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:31 PM (#6079626)
This Betts guy seems pretty good.. Wonder if any Red Sox fans were mad when he left ;)

It is still crazy to me. If I was a Sox fan, I’m not sure I wouldn’t take several years off after having him walk, I know there were circumstances but my gosh. If you can’t keep that sort of player, why are you even bothering? And I’m a Sabres fan!
   42. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:32 PM (#6079627)
#39 ... heck, I think I put them into the playoffs at least a week ago. A 10.5 game lead in the division this early is nutty; they're 10 ahead of the DBacks who are in the #7 spot right now. I'm sure things will tighten up but the NL is quite lopsided with 4 teams at 600+ and 9 teams under 500.
   43. Howie Menckel Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:32 PM (#6079628)
I think it was Joe Sheehan's tweet that noted that Gallo has now come to the plate this season with a total of 91 runners on base. he has knocked TWO of them home (5 HR, 7 RBI in 123 AB).

any idea what a league-average tally might be? has to be more than that.....
   44. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:39 PM (#6079631)
At least they didn't let him literally walk and got pretty good value in return (Verdugo 4 WAR and counting, 2 years of control left; Downs was a top 100 prospect ... who has pretty much tanked since). It's also hard to know what effect covid and the shortened 2020 season had on the size of Mookie's contract. He might have rejected an offer like that from the Sox only 6 months later thinking that looked like a darn good deal under the circumstances. Which isn't meant to excuse the numbskulls in Boston.
   45. The Duke Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:47 PM (#6079634)
The cardinals have an interesting way of waving the red flag to their opponents. They run TJ McFarland out there and let him take a beating in order to save the bullpen. We've let at least three games get completely away from us using this strategy
   46. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:47 PM (#6079635)
#43 ... that info is squirreled away on some weird, random page at b-r.

Ahh, it's in the game logs. He's had 84 runners on base in 141 PAs with 7 RBI. An average MLBer with 141 PAs would have 15 (not clear how many men on base). The average 84 men on base would feature 8 more guys in scoring position than Gallo has had ... but then the whole point of a Gallo is that he can drive in runners on first.

Yeah, those data aren't quite as nice as I recall ... I thought they had "for this runners on profile, the expected RBI is ..."
   47. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:48 PM (#6079636)
Yeah, Walt, I realized after I posted that “walked” wasn’t the correct terminology but alas… it’s just amazing how bad it’s gone already (or rather, how good Betts has been). Nothing will likely ever compare but it’s about as close to a Ruth-level mistake they could make. And probably more inexplicable in a modern context.

Your trivia is pretty hard, I suck at remembering brothers apparently. How about Joe and Dom DiMaggio to take an obvious guess? Maybe Molinas too? Yadier and Bengie?

   48. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:51 PM (#6079637)
Watching the Mets catchers this year, I can’t wait until the inevitable calls for a second DH because a lot of the arguments for pitchers apply to them too. Unless of course strike zone machines make pitch framing a thing of the past…
   49. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:53 PM (#6079639)
Huh, I just realized that Betts wasn’t that good last year. I thought he was, don’t know what I was thinking. I guess I was just conflating the Dodgers great season with him or something. Or I’m crazy. Either way, bad trade! I take back the Ruth remark (for now).
   50. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:58 PM (#6079641)
Sorry, I seem to have done b-r a disservice, that is the data we're looking for mostly. The average player with 141 PA has had 84 MOB to this point, it just happens to match Gallo's total of MOB. So he's driven in 7, the mean should be 13 (seems very low), he's had a slightly disadvantageous mix with more men on 1B, fewer on 2B/3B.

For example Kiermaier has had 140 PA with 15 RBI and 69 guys on base. An average player with 140 PA would have 15 RBI but with 83 men on. Kiermaier is an RBI machine! :-)

Judge had 38 RBI in 203 PA and 128 men on. An average player with 203 PA would have 22 RBI from 121 men on. Of course he's driven himself in 18 of those 38 times so even Judge only drives in about 1 of 6 runners.

In Tom Herr's magical 1985, he drove in 110 in 696 PAs and 450 men on base; an average player would have had 74 RBI and 28 fewer men on. But with a measly 8 HR, he drove in 102 runners out of 450 which I'd guess is one of the higher percentages of all time.
   51. Howie Menckel Posted: June 02, 2022 at 10:59 PM (#6079643)
Yasmani Grandal is one of only two MLBers whose name starts with "Grand" who have hit a grand slam.

at first I was surprised that Chick Grandil - one of the infamous "Eight Men Out" - didn't have a slam.

but he didn't - and he had only 11 HR in 4724 PA in the dead-ball era.

finally, his name, of course, actually was "Chick Gandil."

so I proverbially "struck out" on that one on three pitches.
   52. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 11:01 PM (#6079645)
And Betts strikes out against the immortal Taijuan Walker in a third inning runner on second situation. I guess I should keep talking him up.
   53. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 11:02 PM (#6079646)
Correct on DiMaggios ... though to be honest I don't remember if the 2nd one was Dom or Vince.

No Molinas.

The 2000s brothers shouldn't be too hard ... one of them OPS'd over 1000 in a month (or even season) pretty regularly.
   54. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 11:03 PM (#6079649)
Oh duh, Giambis?
   55. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 11:05 PM (#6079651)
Yes, the Grandal/Granderson achievement is significantly less impressive when one checks b-r to find they are the only two "Grand"s in MLB history.
   56. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 11:06 PM (#6079652)
And Walker works out of a runner on second and no outs against the 1-2-3 of the Dodgers lineup. Pretty good!
   57. Walt Davis Posted: June 02, 2022 at 11:08 PM (#6079655)
Yes on Giambis.

Cubs-Cards hopefully nearly over which means I'm about to check out. Not like the question has generated much guessing ... and what could you do but guess ... and I suck at hints:

The Contrerasses
The Giambis
Carlos & Lee May
Ken & Clete Boyer
2 DiMaggios
Irish & Bob Meusel ... and I'm pretty sure that when seeing any reference to Irish, I just assumed that was Bob's nickname.

EDIT: And I hadn't even posted it before the Cards made it 7-5.
   58. The Duke Posted: June 02, 2022 at 11:12 PM (#6079656)
Cards wave red flag in 8th, give up two runs and then immediately hit 2 run HR that would have tied the game had they tried Even remotely hard to stop the Cubs in the 8th
   59. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 11:13 PM (#6079657)
It’s so pathetic that MLB had to try and emulate the NFL’s awful replay protocol, right down to the on-field announcement over the speaker system. Did they not realIze that the umps didn’t make PA announcements?
   60. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 11:23 PM (#6079663)
I feel like Justin Turner gets just ever-slightly-so-thicker every year I see him.

I’m hoping Guillorme is gonna break out this year just to offset the multitude of corner/middle infielders who late bloom the year after the Mets get rid of them. Though maybe after not resigning Daniel Murphy and his magical postseason, the Mets deserve that trend to continue forever.
   61. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 11:32 PM (#6079671)
Escobar has hit a lot of warning track shots this year. I sort of think that bodes poorly for a guy his age, you just lose that little bit of power and you’re no longer an averagish hitter anymore. Another reason to hope that Guillorme has found a new level.
   62. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 11:38 PM (#6079676)
Boy, this Mets lineup would be pretty crazy if they could find a catcher who could post an OPS+ of 80! I ask for too much, I fear.

Edit: RBI single makes it 1-0 Dodgers. I blame my indecision.
   63. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 11:45 PM (#6079679)
Double post somehow. Glad to see this site is still quirky.
   64. Banta Posted: June 02, 2022 at 11:51 PM (#6079683)
Both of these replays looked pretty obvious in real time that the umps got it wrong. I guess that’s why you have replay. Blah.
   65. Howie Menckel Posted: June 03, 2022 at 01:09 AM (#6079698)
final is Dodgers 2, Mets 0.

and with that, now all 30 MLB teams have been shut out in 2022 (Mets had scored 77 runs in the last 9 games against mere mortals).

the Dodgers are the absolute gold standard, of course, and the Mets were not quite up to the task.

plus Kershaw might be back in about 10 days.

but mark down Aug 30-31/Sept 1 at Citi Field.

Kershaw deGrom Scherzer and friends.

two superteams.

#mustseetv

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