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   1. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 08, 2022 at 03:16 PM (#6080660)
Fresh Trout news:
Trout told reporters after the game that he cramped up while legging out his double and felt it better to be cautious (link via Jack Harris of the L.A. Times). Trout called the injury “nothing crazy,” and the Angels, notably, do not have an MRI scheduled for today. They’ll see how Trout is feeling this morning before taking any further steps.
Skimping on a MRI? For Mike Trout?
   2. The Duke Posted: June 08, 2022 at 04:08 PM (#6080666)
Trout is the one constant in the decade of losing and now the streak. They should sit him for a few days and try a different approach
   3. The Duke Posted: June 08, 2022 at 05:47 PM (#6080682)
Giants dump Joey Bart. So long, Joey, it was fun getting to know you
   4. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 08, 2022 at 05:53 PM (#6080684)
the Angels, notably, do not have an MRI scheduled for today.


I have to agree with Clapper here(yeah, I know, that's hard to type...), but why not do one anyway just to be sure? As an older guy who surfs, mountain bikes, trail runs and does a heap of things one at my age shouldn't be doing that often, I've had probably 6-7 MRI's in the last 3 years for twisted ankles, shoulder, wrist, knee injuries.

They don't cost much(well in Aus it's like $200 for a scan), don't really harm you(not that I'm aware of) and can give your orthopaedic specialist a real good luck at what the issue might be.

Over the years, we have noted here, that several teams have held off on the MRI and I just can't fathom why? Heck, most MLB players could afford their own machine anyway, seeing as their about $500K
   5. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 08, 2022 at 06:40 PM (#6080700)
They don't cost much(well in Aus it's like $200 for a scan)
It's about six times that in the United States, but I'm sure it's because America has the best MRI machines in the world.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: June 08, 2022 at 07:18 PM (#6080713)
Packy?
   7. Howie Menckel Posted: June 08, 2022 at 07:36 PM (#6080715)
I've had probably 6-7 MRI's in the last 3 years

I blew out my knee last year (in the lamest way possible), and people I know told me I definitely should get an MRI.

it was an awkward conversation with the orthopedist. what he was trying to say - but didn't want to say so he didn't say - was that based on my long track record with the same knee, an MRI would likely reveal enough damage to indicate that I should have surgery.

"Well, it's not like I WANT an MRI, but...." and then he nodded and blinked like a hostage being filmed.

he then suggested physical therapy because, hey, if that works.....

90 minutes a day, 3 times a week, for 4 weeks - and I was as good as new.

not sure how any of this is relevant to Mike Trout, but there it is.

   8. Banta Posted: June 08, 2022 at 08:07 PM (#6080721)
Alonso and Marte both day to day. Immolation avoided!
   9. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 08, 2022 at 08:07 PM (#6080722)
it was an awkward conversation with the orthopedist. what he was trying to say - but didn't want to say so he didn't say - was that based on my long track record with the same knee, an MRI would likely reveal enough damage to indicate that I should have surgery.


I had a similar situation when I did my right shoulder from a bad mountain bike crash, I had the MRI, was told I had a slap tear 4(badly torn labrum), BUT I my age was advised surgery is about a 50/50 deal, so like you I just rehabbed it. 6 months later, all good; of course until I did the left shoulder 2 year later(not as bad a tear though) on another crash. Spent 4 months rehabbing that side.
   10. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: June 08, 2022 at 08:54 PM (#6080728)
Uecker broadcast tonight of Phillies v Brewers sounds like a Gary Matthews Roast. Freaking hilarious. He's not even on the cast. How many Sarge stories can Uke have?
   11. Walt Davis Posted: June 08, 2022 at 09:05 PM (#6080732)
Yep, last time my bad knee went crook, doc said no point cleaning it out at this stage and the next stop is knee replacement so not to come back until it got painful enough. Whatever it was that was causing the pain got chewed up and all normal mostly pain free since then. Of course he took the opportunity to point out that the hip on the other side from the knee was a bit loose and now I've added bursitis on the other side of the hip. Still nothing hurts on a regular basis unless I cycle or walk for about 3 hours straight and even that's manageable.

Some life lessons:

(a) don't get old, stuff wears down
(b) if you're old enough that stuff has worn down, not much point getting it fixed until you just can't live with it
(c) but you are not Mike Trout
   12. The Honorable Ardo Posted: June 08, 2022 at 09:53 PM (#6080749)
Fun Birthday Team today with a deep pitching staff - necessary because the team is woefully short of hitting.

C: Kenji Johjima
1B: Chance Cummings (NEL 1920's)
2B: Cub Stricker (1880's)
SS: Mark Belanger
3B: Pete Orr
LF: Del Ennis
CF: Terrance Gore
RF: Carmelo Castillo
UT: Lenn Sakata
PH: Eddie Gaedel

Starters:
Van Lingle Mungo
Bill Drake (also NEL 1920's)
Kevin Gross
Britt Burns
Dave Mlicki

Swingmen:
Don Robinson
George Brunet

Short relief:
T.J. McFarland
Scott Ruskin
Joe Grzenda
   13. Howie Menckel Posted: June 08, 2022 at 09:57 PM (#6080754)
I know someone very well who is in the medical field, I'll leave it at that.

nobody wants to claim this, just to be safe from...., but hip replacements basically have been perfected. if you need one and can afford it, the likelihood of success is mind-blowingly high (I have several family members who have had them and - not knowing the inside scoop - were amazed at how well it worked out).

knees? much more complicated.

have noted before my odd unfamiliarity with what Earthlings call "pain."

it led to many mishaps in my youth, but the older I get the more I see the advantage - also granting that one has to be careful without the aid of that helpful sensation not to make an ailment that much worse.
   14. salvomania Posted: June 08, 2022 at 10:11 PM (#6080761)
Yadier Molina just recorded his first career strikeout as a pitcher.
   15. salvomania Posted: June 08, 2022 at 10:13 PM (#6080762)
Yadier Molina just pitched a scoreless inning in relief.
   16. The Duke Posted: June 08, 2022 at 11:31 PM (#6080785)
I'm about to get my hip replaced. Doc called it common white man disease. He said most hip replacements are the dominant hip of white guys - seemed odd to me but when I thought about it, I've never met anyone of color who has had his hip replaced.

Anyhow, that's an aside. He basically said these things have extraordinarily high success rates and that the new technique (going in from the front ) allows for very rapid rehab. He also said the tools are amazing. It's all laser guided drilling now - done by computer. Finally he said, what used to be 15-20 year life is now 30-40 and that the things that do need to be replaced are easy to replace. All of this caveated by: as long as nothing goes wrong

Finally he said the trick to success is absolutely no twisting for 3-4 months after surgery. Must be very careful not to torque the hip even a little. It takes three months for bone to grow into the rod and during that time any twisting can screw that up . He said you can walk in a straight line for miles but when you turn, you need to turn like you are on a Walker
   17. Howie Menckel Posted: June 08, 2022 at 11:53 PM (#6080789)
He also said the tools are amazing. It's all laser guided drilling now - done by computer.

that's the part they don't want people to know, because it would make old people nervous.
it's also the reason they are so successful - perfect robots overseen by human overlords, basically.

you'll be fine.

my Dad got one when he was 85 and in perfect health - but his brisk 5 mph walking gait had slowed to the normal younger person 4 mph pace, and he wasn't satisfied with that. soon enough, he was back to 5 mph for another 5-6 years.

I imagine the medical people were amused.

but he was so fit, and so determined - I guess they figured, why not?
   18. The Duke Posted: June 08, 2022 at 11:59 PM (#6080791)
My dad had three. His first one was the old style and it mostly worked. His second one was also the old style (15 years later). It failed immediately but the third one worked fine. It was the new method and he was up and around immediately.
   19. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 09, 2022 at 12:06 AM (#6080793)
So the Red Sox have Dalbec at 3rd and Vazquez at 1B, this will not go down as one of the better infields in the history of the Red Sox...
   20. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 09, 2022 at 12:31 AM (#6080797)
The Angels have scored zero or just one run five times in their last eight games. They're getting shut out again after 8, for the third time in six games.

I've followed a lot of terrible Angels squads over the last 40 years. I've never considered actually not watching, but geezus freaking christ. There's nothing like knowing I'm purposely ruining my night the moment I tune into a ballgame.
   21. Howie Menckel Posted: June 09, 2022 at 12:44 AM (#6080799)
much sympathy here and no doubt from elsewhere, too.

I remember finishing some errands not so many years ago and then tuning in to watch the 9th inning of a game where the Mets led, 6-1.

first thought: "Why do I need to watch this?"

second thought about 15 minutes later: "Holy crap, they just lost this game."

my barometer is effort. if I ever feel like 'my team' doesn't care anymore - then neither do I, and I won't watch anymore.

   22. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 09, 2022 at 12:50 AM (#6080800)
There it is, the 3rd shutout in six games, 14 straight losses, seven of them 1-run losses.
   23. The Duke Posted: June 09, 2022 at 12:51 AM (#6080801)
Another loss. To be fair, two tough losses. It will end soon. They aren't getting blown out and they've got a lot of crap teams in their division - surely they can find someone to beat in that group
   24. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 09, 2022 at 12:58 AM (#6080803)
It will end soon.
Best not to tempt the Baseball Gods with overly confident predictions.
   25. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 09, 2022 at 02:23 AM (#6080807)
Best not to tempt the Baseball Gods with overly confident predictions.


Too true. I think it was Howie making fun of the Twins poor record against the Yankees yesterday and today....well look what happens.
   26. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: June 09, 2022 at 05:56 PM (#6080885)
No chatter yet, so TLR's taunting of the White Sox fans will go here.

Dodgers 7, Sox 5. Top of 6th inning. 2 outs. 1-2 count on Trea Turner. TLR gives an IBB to Turner, everyone rightly confused (including the fans). Max Muncy hits HR. Muncy took it personally.

TLR should have never been hired, and has been trying to get fired for sheer incompetence all year (his lineups are really pushing thing, this was yesterday).
   27. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 09, 2022 at 06:17 PM (#6080892)
A 40-game losing streak is no reason to abandon OmniChatter posting duties.
   28. The Duke Posted: June 09, 2022 at 06:24 PM (#6080895)
The Cards and Rays played a game in 1:54 today. Jim Kaat was on the mound for the redbirds and Mark Buerhle for the Rays
   29. Walt Davis Posted: June 09, 2022 at 06:24 PM (#6080896)
Yeah, I flipped on the Dodgers-Sox and it was 4-0 Sox. I went down to the kitchen and spent a few minutes finishing off my Spanish tortilla (the closest I've ever come to doing it right) and by the time I got back, it was 5-4 Dodgers with some reliever trotting in from the pen. I'm guessing that was not the most timely pitching change of LaRussa's career. If LaRussa's at the point where he of all people is bringing in relievers too late, it's probably time to call it a career. But I wasn't watching so maybe it wasn't as big a mistake as it seems.

That lineup is bad (Leury getting way more time than he deserves) but Moncada, Grandal, Pollock should all be hitting much better than they are and LaRussa doesn't have a lot of choice but to play them until they come out of it. Overall the main thing I'd say is Vaughn should be getting more time and Leury less (but little choice at the moment with Anderson hurt).

I know Moncada was hurt early in the year, his performance since coming back suggests he's not really healthy (136/176/222 in 85 PA).
   30. The Duke Posted: June 09, 2022 at 06:25 PM (#6080897)
What's weird about the intentional walk is that I remember TLR hating the IBB. Maybe I'm wrong about that but I thought he did very little of that
   31. Walt Davis Posted: June 09, 2022 at 06:25 PM (#6080898)
Dodgers did their best to give it away but hang on 11-9.
   32. Walt Davis Posted: June 09, 2022 at 06:33 PM (#6080901)
Shane McClanahan of the Rays (yes the Rays of all teams) has gone 6 or more innings in 6 straight starts, including 8 today. (Mikolas also went 8.) I haven't seen a pitcher abused this badly since Mark Prior! :-)

EDIT: his most pitches in that stretch is 100. Quite efficient for a guy who Ks 12.5/9 ... given up 16 Rs on the year, with 8 HR.
   33. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 09, 2022 at 06:48 PM (#6080907)
The National Treasure, Stephen Strasburg, takes the mound against the Marlins tonight for his first appearance in more than a year, after recovering from thoracic outlet surgery. A successful return would likely accelerate the Nationals rebuilding process, and could affect how many players get moved at the trade deadline.
   34. Walt Davis Posted: June 09, 2022 at 06:52 PM (#6080908)
Has there ever been a split-team doubleheader? Cubs-O's were rained out yesterday, Cubs won't be going back to Balt anytime, Cubs had today off, O's didn't. Now as it turns out the O's are on the road today anyway, but if they'd been at home, conceivably they could have played an afternoon game against the Cubs and a night game against whoever. I suppose these days there's not enough time to get the Cubs out and another team into the locker room but if they're serious about this "everybody plays everybody at least a couple times" idea, this sort of thing is gonna happen more.

Of course Balt is close enough to several cities the Cubs will visit that I assume there's some day in there to squeeze in a makeup if they want to.
   35. Walt Davis Posted: June 09, 2022 at 07:04 PM (#6080909)
In the monumental Nats-Marlins matchup, JCjr starts with a fine bunt against the shift. Replay shows Maikel Franco actually got a pretty good break on the ball but there was never any chance. (Somewhat humorously, the ball was fair by probably a good 8 feet but Franco still let it roll dead just in case an earthquake came along to roll it foul.) Not sure there's much point shifting against a guy like Chisholm -- he's fast, apparently he's a good enough bunter to take advantage, what's the point of trying to take away a ground ball single but give away an easy bunt single?
   36. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: June 09, 2022 at 07:06 PM (#6080911)
Make up has already been announced for 8/18 at 2pm. It was an off day for the Cubs, but they play in DC right before and head home afterwards. So not too bad for them. Obviously, also an off day for the O's, coming home from Toronto to start a homestand. Also not so bad for them.
   37. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 09, 2022 at 07:27 PM (#6080916)
Strasburg gave up 3 runs in the 1st, while not really being hard hit, but struck out the side in the 2nd, which should be encouraging.
   38. The Duke Posted: June 09, 2022 at 07:56 PM (#6080917)
The Girardi firing is working out better than the Maddon firing
   39. The Duke Posted: June 09, 2022 at 08:05 PM (#6080920)
So the Saudis are taking over Golf. I wonder what they could do if they set their mind to baseball. You'd probably have to get an eight team league and 3-6 stars per team so that's something like 25-50 star quality players. Seems like it would easy to simply poach all the good players who are pre-arb or arb and offer them market value, and lots of AAA and AA players looking for a shot.

Finding 8 cities and 8 stadiums might be hard. Put 4 in london and four on the east coast and then build out from there. It would be hard for MLB to respond right away - they can't match salaries.
   40. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 09, 2022 at 08:27 PM (#6080923)
Jesus Aguilar? Not a swift man.
   41. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: June 09, 2022 at 08:27 PM (#6080924)
Tony La Russa on the decision to walk Trea Turner with a 1-2 count and face Max Muncy: “Is there some question about whether that was a good move or not? … That wasn’t a tough call.”


Just as arrogant as always, but now also senile. I'm sure the players love listening to this old ass moron.
   42. TomH Posted: June 09, 2022 at 08:55 PM (#6080928)
The Twins have hit 5 home runs.
The Twins have only made 7 of their allotted 27 (well, maybe only 24) outs.

Obviously they could threaten the single game dinger mark.

Anybody watching the game know how many of the 5 were Yankee-stadium RF specials?
   43. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: June 09, 2022 at 09:02 PM (#6080929)
I'm not watching, but none of them.
   44. Addie Joss Posted: June 09, 2022 at 09:07 PM (#6080930)
Twin-Yankee game is in Minnesota.
Mike Trout goes 0 for 26 and a couple of days later Gerrit Cole gives up homers to the first three batters he faces. Baseball is a hard game.
   45. Addie Joss Posted: June 09, 2022 at 09:17 PM (#6080931)
The inning before La Russa ordered the intentional walk with a 1-2 count, which led to Max Muncy's two out three run homer, he allowed his starter, Dylan Cease to make 46 pitches and give up six runs.
   46. Snowboy Posted: June 09, 2022 at 09:46 PM (#6080932)
Primey to Moses Taylor! [43]
   47. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 09, 2022 at 09:53 PM (#6080933)
Not a night for pitchers in Minnesota, but the Yankees have clawed their way back to a 7-7 tie, with some of the underachievers contributing significantly. Two HRs by Gallo & and one by Hicks. LeMahieu also had a solo shot.
   48. The Yankee Clapper Posted: June 09, 2022 at 10:40 PM (#6080938)
Judge 2B, Rizzo RBI single (thrown out at 2nd stretching), Donaldson single, Torres ROE, and Hicks RBI single make it 9-7 Yankees in 7th, but subsequently leaving the bases loaded keeps the game close.
   49. The Duke Posted: June 09, 2022 at 11:15 PM (#6080945)
The angels now with an insurmountable 2-1 lead
   50. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 09, 2022 at 11:25 PM (#6080949)
Ohtani says F this, I'm going all Rick Wise on this game to end this effing losing streak. Throwing a nice 3 hitter so far and now with the 2 Run shot, puts the Halos up 2-1.

Sox bats have been a little quiet lately, 2 runs might be enough to win this for them.
   51. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2022 at 12:12 AM (#6080956)
Yeesh LaRussa's "explanation" got worse. He says "do you know what Turner hits against LHP at 0-1 or 0-2?" Leaving aside the importance of this stat (254 according to ESPN), the count was 1-2 at the time. "Do you know what Muncy hits against LHP with two strikes?" Of course he wouldn't be starting with two strikes. Turns out for his career that Muncy has hit LHP quite well (857 OPS, a bit better than RHP, about 25% of his total PAs). Besides, whatever happened to "throw him 3 out of the zone and see if he'll chase?"

In fact that looks better than any LHB v LHP line that I can recall at 251/365/492. A quick check shows Bonds was much better; Soto barely takes it thanks to OBP. Similar with Walker (impressive 306 career BA vs LHP). So OK, Muncy doesn't hit LHP as well as HoF LHB hitters. He hits them a bit better than Ortiz did -- would Tony have walked somebody to get to Ortiz? There's not a lot of difference between him and Turner either and I assume Turner at 1-2 is a much worse hitter.

Anyway, I'll just say that if you don't trust your pitcher at 1-2 then you shouldn't trust him at 0-0, newly open base or not.
   52. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2022 at 12:16 AM (#6080957)
The reverse extreme could be interesting ... You've got Bonds down 0-2 (pitchers can dream too!) and a wild pitch moves the runner on 1st to second. How bad does the next hitter have to be for you to IBB Bonds? If your answer is always, at what level of LHB where you'd start saying no?
   53. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: June 10, 2022 at 12:41 AM (#6080958)
Halos on the verge of winning. Need 3 outs with a 3 run lead, surely they can't blow this? That Sox lineup without Xander, Story and Enrique is pretty average.
   54. Hombre Brotani Posted: June 10, 2022 at 12:50 AM (#6080959)
Our long regional nightmare is over.
   55. The Honorable Ardo Posted: June 10, 2022 at 03:41 AM (#6080962)
Given the context, this is one of Ohtani's most impressive games. When was the last winning pitcher with RBI > ER?
   56. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 10, 2022 at 07:32 AM (#6080963)
Has there ever been a split-team doubleheader?

At least once, Walt.

September 13, 1951, Cardinals vs. Giants

September 13, 1951, Cardinals vs. Braves
   57. Rally Posted: June 10, 2022 at 08:10 AM (#6080967)
Given the context, this is one of Ohtani's most impressive games. When was the last winning pitcher with RBI > ER?


One month ago, in Ohtani’s last start against the Red Sox. 1 RBI, zero runs allowed. He also did it against the Astros.
   58. The Duke Posted: June 10, 2022 at 08:26 AM (#6080968)
Sitting Trout did the trick
   59. Howie Menckel Posted: June 10, 2022 at 12:26 PM (#6081010)
not split-team, but the Mets and Yankees have played each other in each home stadium on the same day, day-night DH

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