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1. Bote Man Posted: September 17, 2019 at 06:42 PM (#5880149)

Davey Martinez remains in D.C. after being released from the hospital after a cardiac catheter probe. He will join the team when he is cleared to travel, likely in Miami. Chip Hale will continue to manage the Nationals in his absence.

For starters, I'm tuning into this Red Sox game to see how Bostonians welcome Mike Yastrzemski as he leads off for the Giants tonight.

2. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 17, 2019 at 07:00 PM (#5880152)

Despite a BB & single, Luis Severino pitched a scoreless 1st inning for the Yankees, aided by a rare Albert Pujols double-play grounder. Now working on his 2nd inning.

3. Bote Man Posted: September 17, 2019 at 07:09 PM (#5880154)

Neat little interview of Yaz the Senior by Jerry Remy to lead into the first pitch.

Yaz the Junior strikes out on 4 pitches.

4. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 17, 2019 at 07:40 PM (#5880160)

Severino now through 3 scoreless innings on 52 pitches, 1 hit, 2 BB, and 3 K. Reportedly, the pitch limit is ~ 70. Encouraging. Yankees lead 2-0.

5. rconn23 Posted: September 17, 2019 at 07:53 PM (#5880164)

Sevy with four shutout innings and topped out at 99 for the night. A great first outing.

6. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 17, 2019 at 07:56 PM (#5880165)

Severino now done after 4 innings, 67 pitches, 0 runs, 2 hits, 2 BB & 4 K. Hit 99 MPH on radar gun. Could be impactful. Let’s see how he feels tomorrow.

7. Bote Man Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:07 PM (#5880167)

Andrew Baggarly @extrabaggs
An all-time great is throwing out the first pitch at Fenway tonight, but it’s not Carl Yastrzemski. The Red Sox are honoring Felipe Alou, a pioneering figure for Dominicans in baseball. Pedro Martinez will catch him. Before catching his first pitch, Pedro Martinez embraced Felipe Alou. Two absolute legends from a baseball-rich nation. Cool moment.

Felipe was movin kinda slow, like Uncle Joe, but it was good to see him back on the field.

8. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:08 PM (#5880169)

Gleyber time! makes it 8-0.

9. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:12 PM (#5880171)

Gleyber time! makes it 8-0.

When I saw who was pitching tonight, I predicted two touchdowns. I know my guys.

10. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:17 PM (#5880172)

Can they maybe restart the game in Chicago?

11. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:27 PM (#5880175)

Lo Cain homers.

12. Bote Man Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:32 PM (#5880176)

Tyler Kepner @TylerKepner
Fist home run by Yastrzemski at Fenway Park since Carl took Moose Haas deep on 7/31/83.

13. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:35 PM (#5880178)

Each Machado at bat each pitch the crowd is reacting either with boos or cheers after a big round of boos when his name is announced. You go milwaukee!

14. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:37 PM (#5880179)

Hate the 3rd inning sacrifice with your No. 2 hitter.

Schildt overmanaging. You've got 2 on, nobody out for your 2-3-4 hitters; down a run early, you'll need multiple runs to win, yet he gives up an out, severely diminishing the chances of a big inning, and the out he gave up was one of his team's better hitters.

Let's see how this plays out...

15. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:46 PM (#5880181)

Cardinals can't get a hit with man in scoring postion but thinks to an error get a run...

I agree and disagree with salvo... Wong is a heck of a bunter, and that was a fantastic bunt... it was a potential base hit type of bunt... just didn't happen, but the odds that he gets a base hit while bunting, or advancing the runners, is probably higher than if he's swinging away for the whole bat.

16. AndrewJ Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:49 PM (#5880183)

Just found out a guy I went to college with had a son who graduated from college last year. And tonight, Yaz's grandson homers at Fenway.

I feel very old.

17. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:50 PM (#5880184)

but the odds that he gets a base hit while bunting, or advancing the runners, is probably higher than if he's swinging away for the whole bat.

The chances of the Cardinals scoring multiple runs are greater if he swings away. He bunted, they got one run, they still need to score more than that run to win this game.

18. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:53 PM (#5880185)

Moose Haas

Great baseball name.

Red Sox stink. Eovaldi just not right.

19. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:53 PM (#5880186)

Former manager of Cards ok after minor stroke

20. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:54 PM (#5880187)

The chances of the Cardinals scoring multiple runs are greater if he swings away. He bunted, they got one run, they still need to score more than that run to win this game.

The chances of the Cardinals scoring zero is also greater if he swings away...And instead of relying on "average" results, you do need to look at expected results for that particular player, and Wong is a heck of a bunter and has a pretty good chance of absolutely advancing the runners, and a decent chance of still getting a base hit out of it... I am not a Shildt supporter, but I support this move if the batter is fine with it, and it's someone like Wong... not Carpenter... who can actually get a base hit... There are too many stat guys that are looking at the average performance for the league and not the average performance for a particular player, team or even a pitching staff.

21. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:56 PM (#5880189)

1st and 2nd, nobody out, chance of scoring multiple runs: 39.68% (23.4% 3+ runs)

2nd and 3rd out, chance of scoring multiple runs: 39.32% (17.2% 3+ runs)

This doesn't take the quality of the hitter into account, stats from some table I found on the internet.

Gotta admit, I'm a little suspicious of how close the percentages are to each other... doesn't quite smell right.

22. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 08:58 PM (#5880190)

Bottom line: I hate giving up outs, dammit!

23. Brian C Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:02 PM (#5880191)

I turned on the Cubs game in the second inning and I don't understand how the Reds already scored three runs. Because in the two innings I've seen, Darvish has been completely and utterly unhittable.

24. Bote Man Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:06 PM (#5880193)

Ol' man Howie Kendrick started his night with a triple and just deposited a circuit clout over the CF fence to get halfway to a Cycle. Can he do it?

He has been knocking the cover off the ball lately so I'm betting on it.

25. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:12 PM (#5880195)

This doesn't take the quality of the hitter into account, stats from some table I found on the internet.

Gotta admit, I'm a little suspicious of how close the percentages are to each other... doesn't quite smell right.

Those grids are based upon average runs scored per season and will change based upon that... I love them... they are fantastic tools, but not absolutes... they are a baseline argument for standard tactics... But from an actual manager viewpoint, you need to include the quality of offense from the other team, quality of your pitching staff and bullpen, and the exact batter and maybe a couple of the next batters and even the styles of the pitcher and hitters etc...

I am very much a fan of not sacrificing in the early innings, but at the same time, if you can sacrifice and do it well enough that it's close to a base hit at 30% or so, then it's a different story.

26. Bote Man Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:15 PM (#5880197)

Jesse Dougherty @dougherty_jesse
From Nationals PR: With Patrick Corbin's last strikeout, Nationals are only team in history to have three pitchers with at least 222 Ks in the same season.

It seems like both home runs and strikeouts are up with this juiced ball. I can't believe the ball has that much effect on 60 foot pitches, but you never know. Should this be A Thing?

27. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:17 PM (#5880198)

It seems like both home runs and strikeouts are up with this juiced ball. I can't believe the ball has that much effect on 60 foot pitches, but you never know. Should this be A Thing?

That is assuming it's a juice ball issue, more than a change in approach.

28. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:22 PM (#5880199)

The chances of the Cardinals scoring multiple runs are greater if he swings away. He bunted, they got one run, they still need to score more than that run to win this game.

Fully agree, but if you can improve your chances to score just one run in a game early, and you then have another 6 innings to score more runs, then the odds are in your favor that you'll score more runs. I'm not arguing for sacrificing every time.. nor do I like sacrificing with your number two hitter, but it was a half sacrifice, half bunt for a hit, etc... Wong batting second is much different than Polanco or Oquendo batting second... this is a guy who actually has the ability to bunt, and ability to turn it into hits, and the ability to hit it over the fence.... I hate batting contact hitters second unless they are someone like Wong.

29. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:23 PM (#5880200)

Two GIDPs for Pujols tonight. Nice. I can't believe I'm still grinding through these ####### ballgames.

30. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:24 PM (#5880201)

That is assuming it's a juice ball issue, more than a change in approach.

It has been proven. The 2019 ball has less drag than even last year's.

See:

yes-the-baseball-is-different-again-an-astrophysicist-examines-this-years-baseballs-and-breaks-down-the-changes/

31. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:25 PM (#5880203)

Darvish has 11k thru 4, including 8 in a row.

That first inning was very odd in retrospect.

32. Brian C Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:26 PM (#5880206)

Darvish now has struck out 8 in a row and 11 through 4 innings.

I guess those three runs he gave up were before he found his release point or something. Because he's making the Reds look silly now.

33. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:27 PM (#5880207)

It has been proven. The 2019 ball has less drag than even last year's.

I don't deny that there is a juice ball, just not sure that the juice ball is the full story.

34. Walt Davis Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:27 PM (#5880208)

Yeah, just checked into the box score -- that's crazy!

EDIT: if he keeps it up, this must be in the running for the worst dominant performance of all-time.

35. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:28 PM (#5880210)

Yeah, just checked into the box score -- that's crazy!

A 20 K game and a loss in the same start would be pretty awesome.

36. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:28 PM (#5880211)

This is gonna be a lot of fun...until Joe starts managering in the 6th.

37. Walt Davis Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:29 PM (#5880212)

I also see it's the Castellanos-Schwarber show on offense again.

38. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:31 PM (#5880213)

According to a tweet I just saw, at the point at which Patrick Corbin had 7 Ks vs. the Cardinals tonight, he had thrown a total of 10 pitches in the "K zone." A lotta swings and misses at junk.

39. Walt Davis Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:35 PM (#5880214)

A 20 K game and a loss in the same start would be pretty awesome.

We have different definitions of "awesome." Now if a Yanks pitcher were to K 20 and lose, that would be awesome.

40. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:35 PM (#5880215)

The umps just refused to overturn the ol' body-came-off-the-bag-for-a-split-second-while-the-tag-was-held "safe" call.

Even the Nats announcers were shocked.

Big play on a leadoff double in a 1-run game.

41. phredbird

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:37 PM (#5880216)

geez whats the point of replay if they're gonna blow it anyway.

nice shot of maddux in the dugout mouthing 'g-d-mmit'

42. Red Voodooin Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:39 PM (#5880217)

Darvish has 24 strikeouts in his last nine innings.

43. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:40 PM (#5880219)

The umps just refused to overturn the ol' body-came-off-the-bag-for-a-split-second-while-the-tag-was-held "safe" call.

Happened in last night's A's game, too. I wonder if there's quietly been An Instruction.

44. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:41 PM (#5880220)

Moose with a dinger 2-1 Crew

45. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:44 PM (#5880221)

I was actually making dinner so missed the play... but even though it went against my team, if they are refusing to overturn the "off the bag for a quarter of a second" in replay... I 100000000% support it... Don't care... it's a dumb ass use of replay and not remotely what it was hoped/designed for.

46. phredbird

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:45 PM (#5880222)

The umps just refused to overturn the ol' body-came-off-the-bag-for-a-split-second-while-the-tag-was-held "safe" call.

Happened in last night's A's game, too. I wonder if there's quietly been An Instruction.

i'm wondering the same thing, is it anyone's impression that anything close is slowly becoming 'go with the call and then shrug and say there is no angle/no overwhelming evidence blah blah'?

47. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:46 PM (#5880223)

nice shot of maddux in the dugout mouthing 'g-d-mmit'

How did he mouth the hyphens?

48. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:48 PM (#5880224)

it's a dumb ass use of replay and not remotely what it was hoped/designed for.

I kind of like the idea that it puts a focus on being able to run aggressively yet maintain control---similar to the biathloners that have to cross-country ski like madmen then stop and hit a target from 200 yards.

As long as we have the technology to expose a baserunning technical weakness so it can now be properly penalized, I say go for it.

49. phredbird

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:49 PM (#5880225)

nice shot of maddux in the dugout mouthing 'g-d-mmit'

How did he mouth the hyphens?

yes! i have my mlb feed set on 'nanny'. works like a b-tch.

50. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:51 PM (#5880227)

If there’s one thing you don’t want to see if you’re the Cubs, it’s Eugenio Suarez up in a key situation.

51. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:51 PM (#5880228)

I kind of like the idea that it puts a focus on being able to run aggressively yet maintain control---similar to the biathloners that have to cross-country ski like madmen then stop and hit a target from 200 yards.

As long as we have the technology to expose a baserunning technical weakness so it can now be properly penalized, I say go for it.

I hate people being declared out because of natural physics... you slide you beat the tag and you get called out because your foot bounced... that is just stupid... you arrived at the bag, you touched the bag and there was a split second where physics happened... sorry... I don't care... that isn't really the concept of the game... not really.. I want the fundamental concept of the game to work, I love replay when applied properly.. I don't want petty #### happening.

52. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:52 PM (#5880229)

Can we all agree the excitement of the Jose Martinez Experience has worn off?

You can have a wiggly-waggly stance and a huge leg kick and an enormous sweeping swing at every single pitch as long as it's working.

It stopped working around May 1 of this year, and it's been running around a .650 OPS since.

53. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:53 PM (#5880231)

As I was saying. An RBI single actually isn’t a terrible outcome there. Dude absolutely murders the Cubs.

54. phredbird

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:53 PM (#5880232)

martinez did not look good striking out there, and he also looked like poop last night pinch hitting. he's probably not getting enough at bats, i guess.

or what salvo said ...

55. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:55 PM (#5880233)

Martinez needs more regular playing time...

56. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:56 PM (#5880234)

I hate people being declared out because of natural physics...

Watch Lou Brock's pop-up slide to see some good technique: with it he ALWAYS stayed on the bag. But the kids these days...

57. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:57 PM (#5880235)

we are wasting at bats with Edman who is loved by the team.. and is a good future player.. but the fascination with him is ridiculous...

58. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: September 17, 2019 at 09:59 PM (#5880236)

It looked to me like Zobrist kicked that ball. No one said anything, so maybe not. But, rules mavens, what happens when the catcher drops the third strike, and the batter/runner makes contact with the ball? It's not a batted ball, but are they still out?

59. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:00 PM (#5880237)

Watch Lou Brock's pop-up slide to see some good technique: with it he ALWAYS stayed on the bag. But the kids these days...

don't care... to me the concept is about the concept more than worrying about dorkness of accuracy... if a guy arrives at the bag and is relatively controlled then a split second is not an issue and shouldn't be an issue... The game should be about the game, and what works, not some dork in his basement playing dungeons and dragons and being a rules lawyer... it's about the flow of the game.

60. phredbird

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:03 PM (#5880238)

we are wasting at bats with Edman who is loved by the team.. and is a good future player.. but the fascination with him is ridiculous...

but ... but ... he's got SPEED and he's gritty.

but really, where can you put martinez if dexter still can play? carp is about done. jose can't play third, edman can.

and don't we have yet another good outfield prospect in the pipeline?

61. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:04 PM (#5880239)

we are wasting at bats with Edman who is loved by the team.

A day or two ago he was briefly third on the team in OPS at .800 or so, and he has 2.4 bWAR in essentially half a season of plate appearances.

He's started 33 of the team's last 37 games, going .331/.368/.537 in 144 PA. The fascination is understandable.

62. rconn23 Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:05 PM (#5880240)

Betances partial tear of Achilles. This Yankees team and injuries is unreal.

63. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:08 PM (#5880241)

but ... but ... he's got SPEED and he's gritty.

but really, where can you put martinez if dexter still can play? carp is about done. jose can't play third, edman can.

and don't we have yet another good outfield prospect in the pipeline?

The issue is that none of those guys are "starters" they are the backup guys getting playing time and you use them in that respect... rotate these guys around based upon the handedness of the pitchers or whatever you need... etc... The Cardinal starters are 1. Goldschmidt. 2. Wong 3. Ozuna 4. Fowler. 5. molina... after that rotate whoever you want in..but acting like Edman or Carpenter or Bader or whoevever is the starter is ridiculous... and if I had to make a bet and I gave Carpenter 10 starts and Edman 10 starts going forward... and had to bet who would be better going forward... I would give you 4-1 odds on Carpenter.

64. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:09 PM (#5880242)

A day or two ago he was briefly third on the team in OPS at .800 or so, and he has 2.4 bWAR in essentially half a season of plate appearances.

He's started 33 of the team's last 37 games, going .331/.368/.537 in 144 PA. The fascination is understandable.

overrated... I like him don't get me wrong.. I just don't really see him as a major league starter right now...

65. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:09 PM (#5880243)

I'd rather see Edman in the lineup than Martinez.

August 6 is more or less when Martinez was removed from the lineup, and he was hitting .269/.337/.405, with horrible defense and baserunning.

Say what you will about WAR, but Martinez has negative WAR this year. Edman is flat-out outplaying him.

66. Howie Menckel Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:11 PM (#5880244)

Polar Bear Alonso with No. 48, and Rosario and Nimmo also HR in the 6th. so Mets lead, 4-0.

Zombie Mets are the best Mets. this version will not enjoy a brief reanimation, alas.

67. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:12 PM (#5880245)

I would give you 4-1 odds on Carpenter.

Right now I'd take that bet, because I watch the games and I see Carpenter staring at pitches right down the middle, and grounding weakly to the right side, the way he has all year. At least Edman swings at strikes.

Playing Carpenter 10 games in a row won't magically turn back the clock to when he was a productive hitter.

68. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:17 PM (#5880248)

Don't deny he's outplaying him... denying that the prediction going forward that he'll outplay him..

For the record.. I've been and Edman fan since his draft... this isn't about Edman, it's about my personal uncertainty of young players and their ability to maintain their hot streaks going forward.

69. phredbird

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:18 PM (#5880249)

ugh, they're showing that replay again. dude was out.

carp has really fallen off this year. he's 33, lots of players start their free fall suddenly at that age. doesn't he also have a habit of fading towards the end of the year? maybe he's hiding an injury, i dunno, i'm not in the dugout. but edman has earned his shot. if he fails he fails, but there's only so many options.

70. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:19 PM (#5880250)

ultimately though it really doesn't matter, Shildt has surrendered the game by bringing Gant into this game.

71. phredbird

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:20 PM (#5880251)

in other words:

there's no option J!

72. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:20 PM (#5880252)

Interesting... With one out, Schildt pulls the extremely effective Gallegos for the horribly ineffective John Gant.

Let's see what happens...

EDIT: aaaannnd base hit!

EDIT: aaaannnd base on balls!

EDIT: aaaannd Schildt goes to the pen again. Baby steps. At least he's not leaving him in this time.

73. phredbird

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:21 PM (#5880254)

oh sh-t! the dreaded gant.

i thought we had a contract out on him. nuts!

74. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:21 PM (#5880255)

Shildt hasn't really grasped the concept of a 40 man roster... you can use other pitchers in a game than your favorites... on top of that, if your favorites are struggling, use the guys you don't know #### about in a game you are losing to see what they can do...

75. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:22 PM (#5880256)

Shildt is by far the worst bullpen manager I've ever seen as a Cardinal fan. And that includes Torre and Vern Rapp.

76. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:24 PM (#5880257)

Just to be fair... in my opinion... the two best bullpen managers in baseball history have both been Cardinal managers... TLR and Whiney Herzog.

77. phredbird

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:28 PM (#5880259)

good god, gant with 11 walks in his last 7 1/3 innings.

CFB, you live in STL. ... go find gant after the game, knock him on the head, put him in your trunk, and hide him for the rest of the season.

78. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:28 PM (#5880260)

Birds pull off the perfectly executed throw-it-to-the-backstop-and-rebound-to-the-catcher-throw-him-out-at-third play.

79. phredbird

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:30 PM (#5880262)

... and another 2-out hit scores the runner gant put on base.

and another.

2-out hits. 2-strike home runs.

there are essentially two outs and two strikes in the season. we're letting it slip away.

the microcosm reflects the macrocosm.

80. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:31 PM (#5880263)

Cardinals have allowed 28 steals this year...threw out another one... next best team in baseball Diamondbacks(who's catcher was a Cardinal farmhand) with 43... I do not for the life of me think that defensive stats accurately account for that in the slightest...

81. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:32 PM (#5880264)

And now the wheels fall off as multiple Nats have scored. All goes back to pulling Gallegos and bringing in Gant.

What are the ####### Cubs doing?

82. Red Voodooin Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:32 PM (#5880265)

Cubs got a little two out rally going in the 7th ...

EDIT: And it's snuffed out as Lorenzen comes in and K's Castellanos.

83. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:34 PM (#5880267)

If the Reds can hold on, the Cardinals, Cubs and Brewers (and Nats) will all be separated by two games...

One of those teams won't be going to the postseason, and one of them will sit comfortably back preparing for their NLDS series while the other two play a cage match to advance.

84. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:34 PM (#5880268)

It's hilarious to listen to Mclaughlin who worships Shildt as a god, and his subtle complaints about his complete inept bullpen management.. he still gives him a blow job though... I really do not know what Matheny did to McLaughlin that he hates him so much that he will get on his knees to give Shildt a blowjob for being a clearly crappy ####### tactical manager below any level you would respect from a major leaguer.

85. Bote Man Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:36 PM (#5880269)

Birds pull off the perfectly executed throw-it-to-the-backstop-and-rebound-to-the-catcher-throw-him-out-at-third play.

As a Nats fan I gotta admit, that was well executed.

86. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:40 PM (#5880273)

CFB, can you come up with any other expressions for fawning allegiance besides "blow job"? And please, not "licking his #######\" or "sucking his balls" or "fingering his prostate."

87. phredbird

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:41 PM (#5880274)

BADER WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT???

88. The_Ex Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:41 PM (#5880275)

Cavan Biggio hit for the cycle tonight. The triple was his last hit in the ninth. Apparently his father hit for the cycle too, the only father son combo with a cycle?

89. phredbird

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:43 PM (#5880276)

CFB, can you come up with any other expressions for fawning allegiance besides "blow job"? And please, not "licking his #######\" or "sucking his balls" or "fingering his prostate."

warm fuzzies? belly rubs? nice-nice? hot cocoa and slippers?

90. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:45 PM (#5880277)

CFB, can you come up with any other expressions for fawning allegiance besides "blow job"? And please, not "licking his #######\" or "sucking his balls" or "fingering his prostate."

Worshipping his ####??? ultimately it boils down to McLaughlin HATES Matheny and because of that Hate he goes out of his way to worship Shildt regardless of performance or the fact that it's clear to everyone watching the game that Shildt is clearly tacticaly deficient compared to Matheny (who wasn't that great of a tactician himself... sure he respected the saber crap, but would be to beholden to it because of the gm)

91. salvomania Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:46 PM (#5880278)

BADER WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT???

Ya gotta admit, he has nice hair.

92. The_Ex Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:47 PM (#5880279)

Second father son duo to hit for the cycle.

Gary Ward: September 18, 1980
Daryle Ward: May 26, 2004

93. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:48 PM (#5880280)

should be out on that play

94. phredbird

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:48 PM (#5880281)

oh gawd ... swinging bunt single and now two on with nobody out.

i don't think i can keep watching. rats.

95. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:50 PM (#5880282)

That was clearly one of the most obvious mistakes that these crappy umpires made... the runner was clearly inside the lane and for some reason they refused to make the call.. and edman can't hold onto the ball when Yadier killed the steal....

96. Bote Man Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:52 PM (#5880283)

On the whole safe/out discussion from above, I'm persuaded by whomever promoted the idea that "first event counts". If the runner touches the bag safely before the throw or tag, then he's safe, regardless of whether an electron microscope can detect 2 molecules of the glove touching the runner's pant leg or some sh|t.

The Neighborhood Rule was desigend to protect both the infielder and the runner in a potentially dangerous situation and this newfangled replay interpretation that the runner MUST maintain contact with the bag at all times and all costs works against the spirit of that rule and the general interest of safety of the players. And for what?? So some snot-nosed punk sitting in front of a computer screen can declare that there was 3 microns of distance between the runner's finger and the bag? Where's the benefit in that? Where's the sportsmanship? Who gives a crap??

97. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:54 PM (#5880284)

one of the best bullpens in baseball blowing another game because of Shildt's clear misunderstanding of the capability of his staff.

98. cardsfanboy

Posted: September 17, 2019 at 10:56 PM (#5880285)

On the whole safe/out discussion from above, I'm persuaded by whomever promoted the idea that "first event counts". If the runner touches the bag safely before the throw or tag, then he's safe, regardless of whether an electron microscope can detect 2 molecules of the glove touching the runner's pant leg or some sh|t.

The Neighborhood Rule was desigend to protect both the infielder and the runner in a potentially dangerous situation and this newfangled replay interpretation that the runner MUST maintain contact with the bag at all times and all costs works against the spirit of that rule and the general interest of safety of the players. And for what?? So some snot-nosed punk sitting in front of a computer screen can declare that there was 3 microns of distance between the runner's finger and the bag? Where's the benefit in that? Where's the sportsmanship? Who gives a crap??

That is my point... the exception is of course when the guy goes past the bag or is obvious on his breaking the contact for whatever reason... but the goal in the game should be about beating the play... we don't want people slowing down to make the play "safe for replay"

99. Bote Man Posted: September 17, 2019 at 11:10 PM (#5880286)

Nats win, somewhat surprisingly. Tomorrow is a day game.

100. Random Transaction Generator Posted: September 17, 2019 at 11:12 PM (#5880288)

I've felt that once you've made contact with the bag, if any part of you remains in contact or OVER the bag, you're safe.
This would cover sliding into the bag and your foot momentarily leaves contact but hovers over the bag, but would NOT cover someone sliding wide of the bag and curling their arm around it and then letting go.

This protection disappears

- if you no longer are over the bag (in which case you must regain contact)
- if you make any attempt to advance
- the play is declared over (time is called or pitcher steps on the rubber)

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