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1. Cooper Nielson Posted: October 18, 2021 at 04:05 AM (#6047101)Adrián Beltré, Jose Lopez, Richie Sexson and Yuniesky Betancourt of the Mariners lead the way since 1995 with 304 games started together, followed by Robinson Canó, Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez and Mark Teixeira of the Yankees (290), Luis Castillo, Alex Gonzalez, Derek Lee and Mike Lowell of the Marlins (279) and Scott Brosius, Jeter, Chuck Knoblauch and Tino Martinez of the Yankees (268).
Well, I certainly never would've guessed the 2005-2008 Mariners would be at the top of the list.
But 304 seems really low. That's basically two healthy seasons. Looks like Beltre, Lopez, and Betancourt played about 500 games together as a trio, so 1B is the weak point.
Also, did he really win a batting title with a BA of .319 this year? Man, that feels low. I don't know if it actually is, but there's some fundamental level on which my brain is still living in the world of Nomar & Helton both batting .372.
Every position you add makes it go down considerably (I would guess by about half). I bet if you go to two players, it will be something like 1000 (or more).
I'm guessing the current three-man leaders would be Belt-Posey-Crawford and the two-man would be some combination of two of those guys.
Edit: From the FA, they played 810 games together.
This is the first year in MLB history in which no one hit .320. There have been several batting champs with BA lower than Yuli's .319, but the champ in the other league always hit above .320.
This year, Juan Soto won the NL title at .313.
Looking it up, the Dodgers quartet played in 40 postseason games together - would have been 45 but it looks like Cey missed 5 games somewhere.
I don't know what the correction factor should be, but it seems like 40 in the pre-wildcard era is > 64 in the post-wildcard era. The LCS was only best-of-five back then as well.
Well, son of a #####. He hit .328. I know I read what I typed in 7 somewhere.
So never mind - someone hit .320.
ETA: Thanks for correcting me, by the way.
I meant they were the regular season leaders.
In many ways Pete Rose's .336 BA in 1968 was one of the most impressive numbers ever, given that the NL as a whole batted only .243. That was the same year that Yaz led the AL with .301 while the AL collectively hit .230.
We also haven't seen a qualifying .350 average in a full season since Josh Hamilton in 2010. That's 10 straight years now (the 60 game 2020 season doesn't count). The previous longest stretch in MLB history without a .350 season was exactly half that; 5 seasons from 1962-1966.
Pete Rose seasons, sorted by OPS+
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Generated 10/18/2021.
.325 - Dick Groat 1960
.326 - Tommy Davis 1963
.328 - Trea Turner 2021
I'm surprised it's not more. Garvey-Lopes-Russell-Cey became the Dodgers' regular infield halfway through the 1973 season and stayed that way through the end of 1981. That's more than eight full years.
Willie McGee in 1990?
If you were able to include his stats from Oakland, he wouldn't have won the NL batting title (or lead all of baseball, obviously).
Welp, you'd think that there would still be outliers, guys who could avoid the K's and still lace liners to all fields. But the game may be at its most competitive ever, reducing the spread between the best, average, and worst players, so you don't get those outliers anymore (c.f. homers all over the place but nobody hitting 60 anymore, as rare and flukey as that might have been). And everybody basically has been trading singles for homers.
The 69 Cubs were famous for wilting in the summer sun in part because Durocher didn't give anybody much time off. Banks-Beckert-Santo-Kessinger made it to 106 starts together which would have been higher but Beckert missed most of June. As noted, cut that back a bit and Santo and Kessinger started 153 of 163 together (no, not a one-game playoff, tied official game rained out).
For the 78 Dodgers, one of Lopes' healthy seasons, I get 131 starts for the 4 of them. Lopes still managed to miss 2 weeks. The longest stretch I saw was 32 games. Obviously having a Garvey type helps a lot -- still holds the NL record for consecutive games as far as I know. Anyway, somewhere around there is probably the best you can do.
And even with that stable IF, the Dodgers' most common 8-man lineup played together only 30 times ... or I think 50 times if we ignore C ... maybe around 90 if we also ignore CF (where North & Monday both played). In that sense, there's really no such thing as a "regular starting lineup." Most days there's somebody hurt, somebody who needs a day off, somebody who needs some playing time, somebody who can't hit lefties to save his life, somebody who kills lefties.
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