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Thursday, April 01, 2021

OPENING DAY 2021 OMNICHATTER!

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courtesy of Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee).

Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 01, 2021 at 03:10 PM | 87 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 01, 2021 at 03:20 PM (#6011064)
HOW WILL THE ANGELS WIN TODAY?!
   2. Nasty Nate Posted: April 01, 2021 at 03:26 PM (#6011065)
I thought Chad Green would be the closer for the 2 games that Chapman was suspended, but he came in during the 6th.
   3. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: April 01, 2021 at 03:28 PM (#6011066)
Where's the 2021 predictions thread?
   4. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 01, 2021 at 03:34 PM (#6011068)
Yankees catcher Gary Sanchez has hit a HR and beat out an infield hit so far today.
   5. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: April 01, 2021 at 03:45 PM (#6011070)
Miggy homers in the first inning! May as well get the Tigers' season highlight out of the way early, eh?
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 01, 2021 at 03:45 PM (#6011071)
Ugh, Judge just looked at a 2-0 90 MPH fastball down the middle, and then grounded into a DP with the bases loaded.
   7. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 04:19 PM (#6011083)
Anyone using a proxy with mlb.tv and getting it to work this year? Running into issues so far. Never had a problem in 2019...didn't do it in 2020.
   8. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 04:22 PM (#6011085)
Goldschmidt homers in his first at bat of the season, but it turned out it was overturned on review and made into a double, Cardinals have now scored 6 runs in the first inning, (Carlson homers on the first pitch)
   9. yo la tengo (the poor man's Ron Darling) Posted: April 01, 2021 at 04:35 PM (#6011087)
Tried to tune in to ESPN when I got home from work. Could not watch the Yanks- Jays game due to regional blackout. On opening day they are going to play that card?
   10. JJ1986 Posted: April 01, 2021 at 04:42 PM (#6011090)
When did Miller Park become "American Family Field?" It's such a horrible name.
   11. bunyon Posted: April 01, 2021 at 04:52 PM (#6011092)
Had forgotten how much I hate the runner on second rule.
   12. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 01, 2021 at 04:53 PM (#6011093)
Anyone using a proxy with mlb.tv and getting it to work this year?
It works. It's just slow as hell if you're using a proxy.
   13. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: April 01, 2021 at 04:58 PM (#6011095)
Justin Turner cost Cody Bellinger a home run (though I guess Bellinger could have seen him running back and shifted to run back himself).
   14. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:01 PM (#6011097)
It works. It's just slow as hell if you're using a proxy.


Keep getting error messages, so I need to research what the issue is. I never had a problem before, but today I do, so it could be the vpn I'm using. I have seven days of trial service with MLB.tv before I have to actually pay the money, so it gives me 7 days to figure it out.

But I'm glad to hear that proxy servers still work, just need to figure out the specific issue with mine not working.
   15. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:03 PM (#6011099)
I don't mind the slow connection, my girlfriend makes fun of me because I'll watch gameday first and then watch the "live" stream a few seconds later, knowing mostly what had happened. (When at a live game I make a comment how I can't do that)
   16. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:05 PM (#6011100)
Had forgotten how much I hate the runner on second rule.


I'm in the camp that 3 extra innings don't do it, after that do it. For the most part all the sports changes their rules for extra games, and I see the appeal to modernize mlb, but at least give me a full inning or 3 of real baseball before bastardizing it.
   17. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:09 PM (#6011101)
Gameday is funny.... Flaherty has a 3-2 count on Winker, and they list a called strike as 3-3 called out on strikes, then posted a walk, and then highlighted the strikeout in green (meaning reached base--note, he didn't reach base)
   18. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:16 PM (#6011104)
Effectively, it's a tie after nine innings, because whatever they're playing isn't baseball after that.
   19. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:18 PM (#6011105)
I missed the news that Ken Reitz, the Zamboni Machine, died today. Rip.
   20. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6011106)
The balls are carrying in San Diego. Back-to-back by Hosmer and Myer.
   21. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6011107)
Reds defense is not helping the Reds pitcher at all today, one good play so far, the rest not so much. Goldschmidt/Arenado start the season out 5/5 so far, Arenado up to bat now with men on 1st and third and no outs. (oops, now it man on second as the Reds had a wild pitch to score the man on third)
   22. Brian C Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:30 PM (#6011109)
The Cubs' offense looks just as hapless (but not Happless) as ever. I'm surprised that the "stand pat but add Joc Pederson" strategy hasn't panned out, but still small sample size, I guess.
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:37 PM (#6011111)
Small sample size and all, but the Cards offense has scored 11 runs today, not a bad start to the season, sadly we don't play in GAB everyday. (Reds have 3 runs off of 2 hits today and zero walks 1 hbp today... they lumped their scoring at the right time--everyone who reached base has scored. )

Edit: at least one game into the season, the Cardinals probably have the best offense in baseball :)
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:39 PM (#6011113)
3rd hit for the Reds, 4th run as Suarez hit a homerun.
   25. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:40 PM (#6011115)
Effectively, it's a tie after nine innings, because whatever they're playing isn't baseball after that.
Ugh, I had forgotten that MLB kept this fakakta rule in place for 2021.
   26. Howie Menckel Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:49 PM (#6011118)
Yankees season ticket holders clearly decided to be more patient with Stanton this year, holding off on their "lusty-booing level" until he whiffed in the 9th inning. of the first game of the season.
   27. salvomania Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:53 PM (#6011120)
Byron Buxton has already matched his walk total from the entire 2020 season over 135 PA.
   28. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:55 PM (#6011121)
One of two good defensive plays that the Reds had made today, resulted in an injury to their centerfielder, Senzel who left the game with a shoulder injury.
   29. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:56 PM (#6011123)
Buddy of mine is a local celebrity and does a tv show on facebook and other things, and he's at a bar right now watching the game, and they constantly turn the camera to the live tv feed, so I at least have seen a few plays 'live'...
   30. Howie Menckel Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:57 PM (#6011124)
now, this is the same guy who told us that Trevor Bauer had signed with the Mets, but....

Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
The entire #Nats team is now self-quarantining with three, and possibly four players testing positive.
5:49 PM · Apr 1, 2021
   31. salvomania Posted: April 01, 2021 at 05:59 PM (#6011125)
Through 5 innings Cardinals already have their third-highest Opening Day run total, three behind the 1928 team's 14-7 drubbing of the Pirates. Jack Flahery currently has the 11-4 lead, and is doing his best impersonation of '28's Pop Haines, who went the distance in that win, allowing 17 baserunners.

EDIT: To be fair to Flaherty, he's only allowed four baserunners, but two of those were homers accounting for 3 of the Reds' 4 runs.
   32. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:01 PM (#6011126)
now, this is the same guy who told us that Trevor Bauer had signed with the Mets, but....

Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
The entire #Nats team is now self-quarantining with three, and possibly four players testing positive.
5:49 PM · Apr 1, 2021


I know one guy tested positive, and that they quarantined 4 others because of contact, so apparently they tested positive? or Bob is just mis-reporting the quarantine news, either way, more or less this was a possibility with the first announcement.
   33. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:02 PM (#6011127)
EDIT: To be fair to Flaherty, he's only allowed four baserunners, but two of those were homers accounting for 3 of the Reds' 4 runs.


And one was a wild pitch, which with this temperature isn't unsurprising.
   34. Froot Loops Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:06 PM (#6011130)
The laughingstock Rockies are on top of Kershaw and the Dodgers 4-2 through five innings. The Dodger defense has been abominable. ESPN announcers are wondering if it's the altitude.
   35. The Honorable Ardo Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:13 PM (#6011132)
The Detroit Tigers are in first place! Matt Boyd dominated! All is right in the world!
   36. salvomania Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:13 PM (#6011133)
Three more baserunners and another run against Flaherty in the 5th, and there's still only 1 out. He's at 91 pitches and we'll see if he last long enough for the "W."

EDIT: He walks the next batter, Suarez, and is pulled. Today Flaherty looked more like 2020 Jack than 2019 Jack.
   37. The Honorable Ardo Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:15 PM (#6011134)
It still surprises me that MLB didn't adopt the Japanese approach of "game can end in a tie after 12". Heck, the NFL shortened its overtime period and has more ties now.
   38. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:18 PM (#6011138)
The Detroit Tigers are in first place! Matt Boyd dominated! All is right in the world!
Too bad it won't snow the rest of the season.
   39. Walt Davis Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:20 PM (#6011140)
Not a good look for Joc P -- suglasses with white frames, eye black, black keep the head warm thingy, Cubbie blue helmet with jaw protector. I'd expect a guy spending all that time in glamorous Hollywood to have better fashion sense.

Are the jaw protectors mandatory now? Only been watching for a couple of innings but seems all the Cubs have them.
   40. Walt Davis Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:23 PM (#6011141)
And the Cubs wrap up their opening day loss to the Pirates. The deadline may come early this year.
   41. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:24 PM (#6011142)
Rangers-Royals is getting to be hilarious.
   42. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:29 PM (#6011144)
If I can get my vpn to work, I'm definitely going to keep the mlb.tv subscription for all teams, with the different settings you have (one screen, two screen, two different four screen views) it will be interesting... just watched the Royals score their 10th run.
   43. Howie Menckel Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:34 PM (#6011145)
the NFL shortened its overtime period

yes

and has more ties now.

no
   44. Howie Menckel Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:37 PM (#6011146)
Are the jaw protectors mandatory now? Only been watching for a couple of innings but seems all the Cubs have them.

as 76-year-old Bob Montgomery shakes his fist at the TV, the clouds - and really, the whole world.
   45. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:39 PM (#6011147)
Wow, Clayton Kershaw leaves after giving up six runs (five earned) and ten hits, with only two strikeouts, to a weak Rockies lineup. The ESPN announcer, whose name I have missed, says Kershaw "pitched well."
   46. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:42 PM (#6011149)
Reds run themselves out of a run. Bases loaded one out, fly ball to left and the runner on second is forced out costing the reds a run on a sacrifice fly.

Assuming I understand the play correctly, the Cardinal announcers are talking about how the out occurred before the runner scored, but if it's a force out, it really doesn't matter when the out occurred, at least from my understanding of the rules, a force out for the third out takes precedence over any advancing runners, regardless of timing. It's why you can't score from third on a ground out to end the inning.
   47. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:49 PM (#6011152)
For those looking at mlb, the Cardinals game is actually 11-6, not 11-7 as the gameday guy hasn't fixed the score to represent the actual score.
   48. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 01, 2021 at 06:50 PM (#6011153)
and has more ties now.



no


Yes, actually:

1974-2011 (sudden death, FG wins): 3.4% of games ended in a tie

2012-2016 (sudden death, except if first team kicks FG): 6.0% of games ended in a tie

2017-2020 (switch to 10-minute OT period): 8.3% of games ended in a tie
   49. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 07:01 PM (#6011154)
Cardinal radio announcers have been unrelentingly bagging on the performance of the relievers for the Cardinals. So far they haven't allowed a run, but they have pitched like garbage.
   50. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 01, 2021 at 07:05 PM (#6011155)
The Rockies have scored two runs on wild pitches in the bottom of the seventh. Between that, Bellinger passing a man on the basepaths, nobody covering first on a squeeze bunt, several other misplays in the field.. the Dodgers look like they're not really ready for the season to start.
   51. Howie Menckel Posted: April 01, 2021 at 07:10 PM (#6011156)
2017-2020 (switch to 10-minute OT period): 8.3% of games ended in a tie

hmm

do you have the total games there and the total ties?

last year there was ONE tie. one (Eagles-Bengals).

2019, also one (Cardinals-Lions).

2018, an epidemic with TWO!

I don't think a single team has had two ties in one season in almost 50 years....
   52. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 07:11 PM (#6011157)
The Rockies have scored two runs on wild pitches in the bottom of the seventh. Between that, Bellinger passing a man on the basepaths, nobody covering first on a squeeze bunt, several other misplays in the field.. the Dodgers look like they're not really ready for the season to start.


And now a runner just advanced on a passed ball, fortunately for the Dodgers, a ground out ends the inning.
   53. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 07:17 PM (#6011158)
fair enough. I knew there were a few more, and that they remain rare.
do you have the total games there and the total ties?

for example, I don't think a single team has had two ties in one season in almost 50 years....


Just looking at wikipedia, we have had average one tie every year since 2012. From 1974-2011 before the rule change, 37 seasons, there was 17 ties.
   54. Howie Menckel Posted: April 01, 2021 at 07:23 PM (#6011159)
so literally "more" - but to the point of relevant insignificance (fwiw, I did expect more with only a 10-minute extra period than we have gotten).

my original comment of "not really" would have been much closer, so still not quiiiiite true.
   55. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 07:24 PM (#6011160)
Goldschmidt starting the season with an .800 average with a 4 for 5 day so far today (only a 2.000 ops though)
   56. salvomania Posted: April 01, 2021 at 07:24 PM (#6011161)
Goldschmidt opens the season with a four-hit game, two doubles and two singles.

Cardinals can really use a vintage Goldy season in 2021---he was decent last year, less so the year before, and has to yet to meet (my) expectations as a Cardinal.
   57. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 07:26 PM (#6011162)
so literally "more" - but to the point of relevant insignificance (fwiw, I did expect more with only a 10-minute extra period than we have gotten).


Most overtime rules are relatively insignificant in the big picture, with possibly hockey being the exception since the standings are altered by just getting the tie.
   58. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 07:30 PM (#6011163)
That Dodgers replay should be fairly quick, obviously safe.
   59. cardsfanboy Posted: April 01, 2021 at 07:39 PM (#6011165)
Looking at the finals so far today, did any team that was favored win a game so far today? Tampa did, so that is one, but phil over atl, pit over chc, mil over min, det over cle, tor over nyy, and likely col over lad, so you have the stl and tb as the only team that is probably listed higher in the power rankings winning their game. (oops SDP over Ari also so three so far)
   60. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 01, 2021 at 07:57 PM (#6011166)
Daniel Bard ends the game by getting Mookie Betts on a soft liner to second with the bases loaded and an 8-5 lead. Can't ask for much more than that.
   61. Howie Menckel Posted: April 01, 2021 at 08:28 PM (#6011171)
did any team that was favored win a game so far today?

don't have anything handy, but the starting pitching matchup holds more sway than the quality of the bats, I believe.

I'm not much of a baseball bettor, though.
   62. The Duke Posted: April 01, 2021 at 09:34 PM (#6011177)
Brewers pull off another gritty win. For my money, Counsell is the best manager in baseball. He constantly makes something from nothing. If the cardinals had their Gm/manager combo they’d be leagues better.

And the Cubs have proved me wrong again. I was sure the pirates would approach 1962 Mets futility but you can’t afford to get a gift win and beat that record. It’s already far less likely. Cubs start in a tailspin and it will be a fire sale over there.
   63. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 01, 2021 at 09:41 PM (#6011178)
Brewers pull off another gritty win.
"Another?" It's game #1!
   64. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: April 01, 2021 at 10:37 PM (#6011183)
Buster Posey... wtf...MOJO it !
   65. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: April 01, 2021 at 10:47 PM (#6011184)
Gausmann is a perfect fit for the Giants ! Another loser in the last decade of loserismns !
   66. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: April 01, 2021 at 10:57 PM (#6011185)
Los Gigantes getting the calls.
   67. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: April 01, 2021 at 10:58 PM (#6011186)
wow, what a bad call.
   68. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: April 01, 2021 at 11:18 PM (#6011191)
Tack on a few more, coz you know, Gausman sucks !
   69. Perry Posted: April 01, 2021 at 11:30 PM (#6011193)
Assuming I understand the play correctly, the Cardinal announcers are talking about how the out occurred before the runner scored, but if it's a force out, it really doesn't matter when the out occurred, at least from my understanding of the rules, a force out for the third out takes precedence over any advancing runners, regardless of timing. It's why you can't score from third on a ground out to end the inning.


I didn't see it, but I assume the 3rd out was doubled off on a caught fly? If so, that's not a force out. By rule, a force out occurs when a runner is forced to advance because the batter became a runner. Just because you don't have to tag the guy returning on a caught fly doesn't make it a force out under the rules. So if the out on the guy returning on the caught fly occurred after the run legally crossed the plate, the run counts.

A runner who's caught off base on a caught fly ball is technically an appeal play, not a force play.
   70. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 01, 2021 at 11:37 PM (#6011194)
Who had Max Stassi with the Angels first homer of the season? Not me.
   71. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: April 02, 2021 at 12:30 AM (#6011196)
The Rockies have scored two runs on wild pitches in the bottom of the seventh. Between that, Bellinger passing a man on the basepaths, nobody covering first on a squeeze bunt, several other misplays in the field.. the Dodgers look like they're not really ready for the season to start.


The Dodgers got 15 hits and 8 walks and only scored 5 runs. On one hand, they repeatedly shot themselves in the feet. On the other hand, they did get all those baserunners. Just one of those days.
   72. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: April 02, 2021 at 01:05 AM (#6011197)
Leody Taveras's season can't get much worse from here. 0-for-5, 4 strikeouts, 10 left on base, and a throwing error in a 14-10 loss. Coming into the season, I thought the Rangers would be hard pressed to score 10 runs in a week. Seeing the Opening Day starter chased after 1/3 inning and a 135.00 ERA is somewhat more in line with my expectations.
   73. Sleepy was just “inspecting the bunker”, y’all Posted: April 02, 2021 at 03:15 AM (#6011199)
Brewers pull off another gritty win. For my money, Counsell is the best manager in baseball. He constantly makes something from nothing.
Not really seeing the grittiness in an hbp followed by an error and then a dropped line drive that was called a hit.

Was the grittiness when he didn’t pinch hit for Travis Shaw?
   74. villageidiom Posted: April 02, 2021 at 10:08 AM (#6011219)
Daniel Bard ends the game by getting Mookie Betts on a soft liner to second with the bases loaded and an 8-5 lead. Can't ask for much more than that.
Man, Boston should have held on to that guy. There's no excuse for letting go of Daniel Bard.
   75. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 02, 2021 at 10:56 AM (#6011221)
so literally "more" - but to the point of relevant insignificance


Well, the number of ties has gone up 250% since the 90s, which I think is fairly significant. The absolute number is small, but the rate of increase has been high.
   76. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 02, 2021 at 11:09 AM (#6011223)
I listened to the Pirates-Cubs game yesterday while on the road. It was...not fun. The epitome of bad 2021 baseball in general, and bad recent Cubs baseball. To wit:

--The Cubs gave up the lead with the second batter of the game, and never put any rallies together where you thought they had a chance to come back. They managed, count 'em, two hits in the entire game, and each of their runs scored on a sac fly.
--The Cubs struck out 13 times and walked 11 batters. In total, the game featured 15 walks and 23 strikeouts.
--Both starting pitchers were gone by the 4th inning.
--The Pirates used six relievers; the Cubs used seven. Four mid-inning pitching changes. Of the 13 relievers, only three were with their teams two years ago.
--Time of a 5-3 game: Four hours on the nose.


   77. Howie Menckel Posted: April 02, 2021 at 01:30 PM (#6011244)
The absolute number is small, but the rate of increase has been high.

there have been a total of 4 ties in the NFL in the past 4 years. does that strike anyone as "significant?"

and it's not like there was a "tie era" in the decades previously, either.
   78. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: April 02, 2021 at 01:56 PM (#6011252)
Nice touch at Fenway. Trey Mancini introduced for the visiting Orioles and the organist played the little “ta da!” sting and he got a nice hand. Not a big deal but the ta da sting is what he did for the Sox players too.
   79. puck Posted: April 02, 2021 at 11:10 PM (#6011355)
Trevor Bauer was cruising with no hits through 6 but the Rockies have scored 4 in the 7th off 2 HR.
   80. puck Posted: April 02, 2021 at 11:19 PM (#6011360)
Now David Price has given up two HR's in the inning, too.
   81. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: April 03, 2021 at 12:57 AM (#6011367)
there have been a total of 4 ties in the NFL in the past 4 years. does that strike anyone as "significant?"

and it's not like there was a "tie era" in the decades previously, either.


Ties went from a once in a once every four years or so event to a once every year event when they allowed teams to get a tie by exchanging field goals in overtime. They're still rare, but they're no longer "holy ####, there was a tie this week?!" rare.
   82. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: April 03, 2021 at 05:59 AM (#6011376)
We went from 1989 to 1997 without a tie game, which is significant to me as that's when I first started watching football in earnest. College football started its overtime procedure in 1995, so at that point it looked like the tie was a thing of the past. It's been weird to see it make a comeback like it has.
   83. bunyon Posted: April 03, 2021 at 07:27 AM (#6011379)
If be good with normal extras and then a tie after 12.

I’d far prefer a tie than a win decided by alterations of the game.
   84. AndrewJ Posted: April 15, 2021 at 02:39 PM (#6013607)
I missed the news that Ken Reitz, the Zamboni Machine, died today. Rip

When Mike Schmidt was briefly injured in July 1980, Reitz replaced him at third base in the starting lineup for the '80 All-Star Game.

According to JAWS, Schmidt is the #1 all-time third baseman while Reitz chimes at... 1,063rd.

I assume that's some kind of record.
   85. cardsfanboy Posted: April 15, 2021 at 05:06 PM (#6013655)
When Mike Schmidt was briefly injured in July 1980, Reitz replaced him at third base in the starting lineup for the '80 All-Star Game.

According to JAWS, Schmidt is the #1 all-time third baseman while Reitz chimes at... 1,063rd.

I assume that's some kind of record.


Reitz had a reputation as being a first half type of player, how accurate that reputation is, depends on what stats you like to look at, in the case you mentioned, he put up a .282 average in the first half of the season. For his career he had a .271 first half average and a .247 second half. And was widely considered a gold glove candidate year to year, even though the newer stats don't really back that reputation up. There is a real reason why the Cardinals of the 70's never made it to the post season while featuring people like Lou Brock, Bob Gibson, Ted Simmons, Keith Hernandez, Garry Templeton etc... it's that their other players weren't nearly as good as their reputation.
   86. AndrewJ Posted: April 15, 2021 at 06:38 PM (#6013684)
The Cards traded Reitz to the Cubs in December 1980, and had the division's best overall record in 1981 and won the World Series in '82. Probably not coincidental.

But I doubt the 1,063rd best player at any position racked up more than 5000 career plate appearances (Reitz had 5079). His "reputation" carried him far.
   87. cardsfanboy Posted: April 15, 2021 at 06:54 PM (#6013690)
But I doubt the 1,063rd best player at any position racked up more than 5000 career plate appearances (Reitz had 5079). His "reputation" carried him far.


To be fair, I honestly do doubt he was the 1,063rd best player in history at his position... I'm a fan of Jaws and all of that, but there are sometimes flaws with the systems. Bill James has even admitted as much with some of his systems, where they might make a mistake here or there, but overall it's accurate enough. I imagine that a qualifier would be needed for the argument. I mean Jaws is more or less based upon 7 seasons or roughly 3500 plate appearances.

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