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Thursday, August 12, 2021

Orioles’ Chris Davis announces retirement

Baltimore Orioles first baseman Chris Davis has announced his retirement on Thursday morning following time dealing with his arthroscopic hip surgery.

In a statement, Davis said “I want to thank the Orioles partnership group, led by the Angelos family, the Orioles organization, my teammates and coaches, The University of Maryland Children’s Hospital with whom I will continue to be involved following my retirement, and, of course, Birdland. Thank you for the memories that I will cherish forever.”

Davis has been out of play since May. Davis joined the Orioles organization after being acquired from the Texas Rangers on July 30, 2011.

“The Orioles support Chris Davis as he retires from baseball today,” reads a release from the Orioles. “We thank Chris for his 11 years of service to the club, to Orioles fans, and to the Baltimore community. Athletes have the power to change lives and better their communities, and Chris and his family have done just that.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 12, 2021 at 11:05 AM | 37 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: August 12, 2021 at 11:46 AM (#6034043)
Interesting. He was owed $23 million for next year (plus another few million this year) -- I wonder if the Orioles are still paying him or gave him some sort of buyout.
   2. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 12, 2021 at 11:58 AM (#6034046)
115 million for -2.6 WAR (well, less than that money-wise because of 2020 but i don't know how it was prorated). Chris not playing at all this year made it the 2nd most valuable year of the deal for the Orioles...
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 12, 2021 at 12:08 PM (#6034051)
Interesting. He was owed $23 million for next year (plus another few million this year) -- I wonder if the Orioles are still paying him or gave him some sort of buyout.

MLBTR cites Heyman saying Davis will be paid the $23M owed for next season.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 12, 2021 at 12:12 PM (#6034053)
Is this the worst MLB contract of all time?
   5. JRVJ Posted: August 12, 2021 at 12:22 PM (#6034055)
1, Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
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1h
Chris Davis will still be fully paid for his seven-year, $161 million deal with the #Orioles, even after retirement. The only difference is that next year's salary will be deferred and paid over the next three years.

Bob Nightengale
@BNightengale
·
1h
Chris Davis' hip simply was not going to allow him to continue playing. He already had $6 million deferred from his salary next year, and now will defer the entire $17 million through the next three years.
   6. JRVJ Posted: August 12, 2021 at 12:23 PM (#6034057)
So Davis decided it was not worth it to try to come back.

He gave the Orioles a bit of a break in exchange for retiring, in that they get some time-value-of-money relief.
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 12, 2021 at 12:36 PM (#6034060)
Is this the worst MLB contract of all time?

The Howard extension, and the Cabrera extension have to be close.
   8. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 12, 2021 at 12:36 PM (#6034061)
Chris Davis' hip talent simply was not going to allow him to continue playing.
   9. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 12, 2021 at 12:37 PM (#6034062)
Is this the worst MLB contract of all time?

I think the worst has to be something that was obviously, monumentally stupid at the time it was signed. Like Howard, who was signed two years before free agency and paid like a superstar despite by that point being merely above average, trending downward, and sure to age poorly. Or Dreifort, who was mediocre and injury-riddled but got a star contract for reasons no one can discern.

The Davis contract was likely to be bad on the back end, but there wasn't reason to believe he'd be sub-replacement for practically the entire length of it.
   10. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: August 12, 2021 at 12:39 PM (#6034064)
It is too bad that the first thing that comes to mind is that he signed a big contract and wasn't healthy or productive. He was a really good player for about 5 years and legitimately outstanding in 2013. A fine career, better than most.
   11. Howie Menckel Posted: August 12, 2021 at 12:40 PM (#6034065)
this Mets fan chortled when the Phillies gave Howard that - to turn a phrase - obviously monumentally stupid contract.
   12. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 12, 2021 at 12:53 PM (#6034071)
I'm still willing to die on the hill of Chan Ho Park's Rangers contract being the worst ever. The disappointing play of the team (fueled in large part by Park's own terrible pitching and the percentage of the payroll he was getting) suckered the idiot local sports-talk callers and front office into thinking their resident superstar player was the problem, prompting the team to trade him away for nickels on the dollar and furthermore paying the poor cash-strapped Yankees for the privilege of playing him.
   13. Jose Has Absurd Goosebump Arms Posted: August 12, 2021 at 01:10 PM (#6034074)
The Howard one was just so obviously pointless. It was an overpay at best and it was overpay done before he was really even close to being out of contract. Deals like Davis, Park, etc...hey those are just the risks you take in the free agent market. Davis was a bit like Sandoval, it was a bad deal but also one that wound up being a lot worse than should have been expected.
   14. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 12, 2021 at 01:13 PM (#6034077)
While the Howard contract was dumber at the moment it was signed, Davis has performed far worse than Howard ever did. The Phillies released Howard after he hit .196/.257/.453, but that season would have been easily better than anything Davis has put up since 2017.
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 12, 2021 at 01:22 PM (#6034083)
While the Howard contract was dumber at the moment it was signed, Davis has performed far worse than Howard ever did. The Phillies released Howard after he hit .196/.257/.453, but that season would have been easily better than anything Davis has put up since 2017.

In the extension Howard put up -4.8 WAR, -11.5 WAA. Davis totalled -2.6 WAR, -9.9 WAA. Hard to say Howard was better.

Davis at least had one good season (3.1 WAR in 2016). Howard "peaked" at 0.5 WAR during the extension.
   16. Nasty Nate Posted: August 12, 2021 at 01:40 PM (#6034085)
Or Dreifort, who was mediocre and injury-riddled but got a star contract for reasons no one can discern.
Were the Dodgers in serious negotiations for Mussina that offseason? The new Dreifort contract happened within a week or do of Mussina signing with the Yankees, so maybe they went to their fallback plan and got utterly schooled in the negotiations.

That still doesn't fully explain it.
   17. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 12, 2021 at 02:18 PM (#6034096)

I'm still willing to die on the hill of Chan Ho Park's Rangers contract being the worst ever. The disappointing play of the team (fueled in large part by Park's own terrible pitching and the percentage of the payroll he was getting) suckered the idiot local sports-talk callers and front office into thinking their resident superstar player was the problem, prompting the team to trade him away for nickels on the dollar and furthermore paying the poor cash-strapped Yankees for the privilege of playing him.


Yea, I'd argue that if you were able to get someone to take a contract off your hands, it's not even in the running to be worst-ever. No one was ever going to trade for Davis. Or Howard for that matter.
   18. Brian Posted: August 12, 2021 at 02:42 PM (#6034100)
Any chance the Orioles have insurance against Davis being physically unable to perform?
   19. The Duke Posted: August 12, 2021 at 03:39 PM (#6034111)
I think the Pujols contract and Cabrera contracts are worse. The Pujols contract crippled the Angels for so long. Cabrera - he’s been bad for so long and has 4 more years at $30 million. That’s a lot of damage to a tigers rebuild.

Davis really didn’t terribly impact the Orioles
   20. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: August 12, 2021 at 03:42 PM (#6034113)
Dreifort had a nice second half in 2000, at least superficially -- 3.14 ERA, increased his strikeout rate and improved his K/BB ratio, held hitters to a .212 batting average against. Still walked way too many guys and still gave up way too many homers. But he had been the number two overall pick in the draft and everyone loved his "stuff" and "potential" (even though he was already 28), and I guess it was easy for the Dodgers to talk themselves into the idea that Dreifort had just experienced his big breakthrough.
   21. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 12, 2021 at 03:57 PM (#6034119)
Howard's may not be the worst ever, but it definitely wins points for flair: Tearing his ACL while making the final out of the Phillies' 2011 season was one hell of a way to kick off that new 2012 contract.
   22. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: August 12, 2021 at 04:11 PM (#6034126)
I still vote for Dreifort, because guys like Howard and Davis at least had some demonstrated history of good play.
   23. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: August 12, 2021 at 04:27 PM (#6034132)
“The Orioles support Chris Davis as he retires from baseball today,”


Boy, do they ever!
   24. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 12, 2021 at 04:28 PM (#6034133)
After winning the World Series in 2004 with the Red Sox, Gabe Kapler signed with the Yomiuri Giants for the 2005 season, for $2 million, big money for an American player in Japan for those days. In 38 games, he put up a line of .153/.217/.261, and was put on the inactive list by the Giants. After clearing waivers, he re-signed with the Red Sox. He's remembered as one of the biggest US busts in Japan, up there with another Red Sox outfielder, Mike Greenwell, whose career with the Hanshin Tigers lasted 7 games before he broke his foot and went home.
   25. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 12, 2021 at 04:34 PM (#6034137)
Cabrera - he’s been bad for so long and has 4 more years at $30 million


only 2 more after this year. and then 2 options where he has to come in the top 10 in MVP voting the previous year for them to vest. Now, it would be hilarious if some of the AL award voters gave him MVP votes and he ended up in the top 10, but, I doubt that is happening.
   26. Ben V-L Posted: August 12, 2021 at 04:39 PM (#6034139)
I wondered if he might be the career K/RBI leader. His 2.374 beats Rob Deer's 2.348. But then I checked Joey Gallo: 2.559. Gallo might bring it down over time, but probably not.
   27. Walt Davis Posted: August 12, 2021 at 05:37 PM (#6034158)
I'm pretty sure the Dreifort contract was pretty widely panned by us Thinking Fans (even though we weren't even Primates yet I don't think) but my memory is that today's equivalent would be a guy with great statcast numbers and mediocre results. Zack Wheeler missed two years to injury, had just 750 IP, a 100 ERA+, a FIP that matched his ERA and was turning 30 when Philly signed him for 5/$118. I did not hold that contract in high regard ... oops.

Dreifort had 670 IP, 97 ERA+, a FIP a bit better than his ERA and was turning 29.
   28. Walt Davis Posted: August 12, 2021 at 05:57 PM (#6034163)
In fairness, many here dissed the Davis contract from second one -- I'd say even more than the typical number (there are always plenty of objections o any contract except maybe Trout's ... Mookie didn't have too many). So fair play to them. I don't recall any of us liking it. But I quasi-defended it because it simply wasn't that expensive. I kept pointing out at the time that he signed for basically the same raw AAV and through the same age (36) Teixeira, Fielder and Adrian Gonzalez had signed for 5-7 years earlier. 7/$161 wasn't superstar money anymore ... or maybe it was as that's when payroll started flattening out but we didn't know it yet. It was roughly the contract that Heyward got the same year and while, at the time, you'd rather have Heyward, it wasn't close to Pujols or Cabrera or, given it ran out at 36, as scary as Cano's.

The main risk was he had already been boom or bust as a player. And why was he getting 7 years and who were the O's bidding against? Still, two boom years and maybe an average year out of 7 and the contract moves close to meh territory. Zero boom years, not so much.

Don't mind incorporating a "sheer stupidity" factor in "worst contract" though. But "dumb and too pricey" is still not as bad as the Miggy extension -- a huge, unnecessary risk. I do wish we had some way to genuinely know what other offers were on the table. I guess that's one advantage of ranking the Miggy and Howard extensions so high -- we know they were bidding against nobody except hypothetical future offers. It's hard to believe anybody was close to this offer for Davis but we don't know. Maybe Davis will write a memoir.
   29. The Duke Posted: August 13, 2021 at 06:10 PM (#6034307)
Strausburg may be another albatross. Not too many people survive TOS well. And that contract may very well have triggered true sell off so it’s very consequential
   30. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: August 16, 2021 at 07:31 AM (#6034557)
Not too many people survive TOS well.

I've watched The Original Series of Star Trek several times, and I survived!
   31. Rally Posted: August 16, 2021 at 10:38 AM (#6034570)
Tried to find a discussion of Davis’s signing but no such luck. Official signing date was 1-21-2016. The signing was first reported a bit before that, but couldn’t find anything in our archives.

Here’s a place to start, maybe someone has better eyes than I do.

https://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/blogpen/archives/P17400
   32. Darren Posted: August 16, 2021 at 11:19 AM (#6034573)
I'm pretty sure the Dreifort contract was pretty widely panned by us Thinking Fans (even though we weren't even Primates yet I don't think) but my memory is that today's equivalent would be a guy with great statcast numbers and mediocre results. Zack Wheeler missed two years to injury, had just 750 IP, a 100 ERA+, a FIP that matched his ERA and was turning 30 when Philly signed him for 5/$118. I did not hold that contract in high regard ... oops.

Dreifort had 670 IP, 97 ERA+, a FIP a bit better than his ERA and was turning 29.


I'll never understand why you were so down on Wheeler. I recall you saying something like the Phils had fallen in love with the radar gun readings. But in the 2 seasons prior to his contract, he had a 3.37 FIP (12th in MLB), a 3.65 ERA (20th), and 377.2 IP (12th). All that added up to him being worth 8.9 FWAR (10th) and 8.1 BWAR (?). That's a really good pitcher, an ace on most staffs. And it's not like his contract was near the top of the market. Cole got $324 mil, Strasburg $245 mil. His $118 mil. contract fit very well with his more traditional stats, no need to worry about spin rates, movement, or velocity.



On Davis, I assume someone must have come up with this theory at some point, but I seem to recall the O's coming under a lot of criticism for not spending before this contract. Did they intentionally sign one bad, big money, long-term deal so that they could say, "Hey we tried that, and it didn't work out"?

   33. Ron J Posted: August 16, 2021 at 11:35 AM (#6034575)
#31 The only discussion I can find is here

Quickly turns into famous people primates have interacted with.

I think there was no disagreement with the idea that he wasn't objectively worth what he was looking for (and eventually signed for close to what he was looking for) and that doesn't make for a very interesting discussion.

There was one objection -- that we didn't know the structure of the contract and might feature a lot of deferred money.
   34. The Honorable Ardo Posted: August 16, 2021 at 04:05 PM (#6034617)
"Worst Contract Ever" can be considered in two ways: straight $/WAR, or (for the largest contracts) impairing the organization's ability to sign other free agents, which is an opportunity cost argument.
   35. Rally Posted: August 16, 2021 at 04:51 PM (#6034625)
Dollars/ WAR doesn’t work so well when you have negative numbers. And inflation is an issue. Here’s what I do: convert the dollars to WAR using whatever $/W is appropriate for the year it was signed. If we assume 8 million for 2016, then the Orioles paid for 20 WAR. Then find the difference from what the player actually produced.
   36. Zach Posted: August 16, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6034638)
The lack of a specific thread devoted to the contract plus the general tone of "of course he should ask for everything he can get" in the negotiation thread suggests that this wasn't on most Primates' radars at the time.

The procedure in 35 sounds legitimate. You also might try normalizing by the highest salary in the game in a particular year.
   37. McCoy Posted: August 16, 2021 at 08:21 PM (#6034656)

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