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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Wednesday, February 01, 2023Orioles to decline 5-year Camden Yards lease extension, seek to secure long-term agreement
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Posted: February 01, 2023 at 06:20 PM | 77 comment(s)
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1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 01, 2023 at 07:04 PM (#6115444)All parties responsible for maintaining the peace seem to be at a loss as to what effective steps to take to make the area safer.
Several Baltimore natives I have spoken to recently tell me they no longer feel safe going to either the waterfront, a few blocks away from Camden Park, or to the ballpark unless a large crowd is present.
That issue, more than any “revitalization “ , needs to be addressed for long term success..
I live about 60 miles West of both Camden Yards and Nationals Park and I would much rather, by a factor of 10, go see an Orioles game due to a superior on field product and ballpark esthetics.
But the DC stadium and surrounding area make the trip to DC with the wife in tow a better/safer option.
Codespeak for a contract where the private "partner" keeps all the revenue while the public "partner" pays all the costs but enjoys the benefit of gladhanding photo ops with famous people.
#5: I think nearly everybody has been looking for these sorts of deals since at least Hicks and the Rangers. This was what Moreno was trying to pull off too, wasn't it?
FIFY.
All parties responsible for maintaining the peace seem to be at a loss as to what effective steps to take to make the area safer.
They know exactly how to make it safer. Crime was much lower 10, even 5 years ago. We haven't forgotten how that was done. Just like every other major city, they lack the political will to do what needs to be done.
The city of Baltimore largely had nothing to do with it.
I'm going to plead ignorance here as you seem to have a definitive answer yet don't spell it out, can you enlighten me with your suggestions?
As someone who lives in a big city(Sydney) with very little crime, I could suggest a host of suggestions from our experiences here, but I'd like to see what you have to post?
As someone who lives in a big city(Sydney) with very little crime, I could suggest a host of suggestions from our experiences here, but I'd like to see what you have to post?
NYC was the safest large city in the world 10 years ago. We knew how to do this.
In the US what worked was aggressive policing, and arresting, trying,and incarcerating criminals. A small percentage of criminals commit a huge percentage of crimes, so locking them up does a lot of good.
In recent years, this became viewed as somehow racist (even though the victims of these crimes are black in the same proportion as the perpetrators). Bail has been radically reduced, police have stopped arresting people for quality of life crimes, and have stopped confronting likely offenders. This stuff isn't rocket science.
Just in my state, NY recently made it much harder to try 14-17 y.o.s. as adults for serious crime. Result: shootings and killings by teenagers have skyrocketed. DAs have stopped prosecuting people for shoplifting and petit larceny. Result: stores are being robbed blind and closing.
The city of Baltimore largely had nothing to do with it.
You mean better than the lowest unemployment in 50+ years, with $15 minimum wage, and jobs going begging?
Crime has zero correlation with the economy. Crime fell during the Great Depression and skyrocketed in the 1960's when the economy was booming.
Opponents of bail reform are shockingly ignorant.
But crime rising and falling and economy falling and rising would seem to suggest some correlation
While it may or may noy be true that the vast majority of crime is committed by a very small % of people. The police are not capable of only targeting just those people. They consequently target a large amount of people for extremely minor things
Indeed:
It's not shocking.
Right, it's purpose is to impose a cost for crimes that we're not going to keep you in prison for, while you're awaiting trial, and to make you show up for trial. If you're simply going to be charged and released, with no conditions, that removes some disincentive for crime.
You watch too much Fox.
I live here, and talk to people who can't wait to flee NYC because it has been deliberately allowed to descend back into disorder.
The DAs in NY were funded and elected on that platform.
Unlike white progressives, Mayor Adams actually care about the victims of crime more than the criminals.
Oh now, you've done it. Can't wait for someone to call you an anti-semite ;-)
Pretty easy to tell someone's not innocent when they have $1000 of merchandise from Duane Reade in a sack.
Once a cop, always a cop. Anyone who is not them is guilty of something.
Or holding a cigarette or simply doing nothing.
Then you're talking to people who watch too much Fox. Because the actual data doesn't support these claims.
No, they're not innocent, they're "presumed innocent" which is a totally different thing. So, when someone is released without bail, and then gets caught again for the same crime a day later, you really think they should be just cut loose again? What about after 5 times? 10 times?
Then you're talking to people who watch too much Fox. Because the actual data doesn't support these claims.
Murder went up 40% from 2019 to 2021. Is that Fox News? All major categories of crime are way up.
Again, listen to the Black, Democratic Mayor.
¹The word "presumed" in this context does not refer to a mental state. The government is not required to think people who haven't been convicted are innocent. It's required to treat them as innocent.
First, the systematic efforts by one party (Republicans) to undermine every aspect of American governance, as well as confidence in all American systems from dog catching to National defense to our elections themselves.
Second, the flooding of guns into every situation, thanks to governmental and judicial efforts to make certain guns have rights, but people don’t have the right to be safe from them.
The Trump era has brought dramatic rises of hate crimes, many destructive, many more on the level of assault or murder.
Thank goodness the cops are still out there killing more than a thousand Americans each year, which somehow doesn’t in any way reduce the crime rate.
The way to reduce crime in America is to start treating the bottom 80% of our society like they matter: guaranteed healthcare/shelter/food would be a start.
Living in the city is tough. Maybe you should move to Westchester.
Murder down, but still elevated, every other crime up.
Compared to 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago crime is down in NYC by either all metrics or almost all metrics.
That's simply untrue. Murder, robbery, grand theft auto and felony assault are up significantly over the last 5 years. Violent crime as a whole was up 23% in 2022.
First, the systematic efforts by one party (Republicans) to undermine every aspect of American governance, as well as confidence in all American systems from dog catching to National defense to our elections themselves.
Second, the flooding of guns into every situation, thanks to governmental and judicial efforts to make certain guns have rights, but people don’t have the right to be safe from them.
The Trump era has brought dramatic rises of hate crimes, many destructive, many more on the level of assault or murder.
Thank goodness the cops are still out there killing more than a thousand Americans each year, which somehow doesn’t in any way reduce the crime rate.
The way to reduce crime in America is to start treating the bottom 80% of our society like they matter: guaranteed healthcare/shelter/food would be a start.
Wow, literally nothing in there is true.
I gotta stop talking to the BBTF woke brigades. Y'all are simply divorced from reality.
That's different, snapper, because shut up.
So, you on board with the idea that people of little means should be punished for merely being accused of a crime?
Poverty and Violent Crime Don't Go Hand in Hand:
BTW, does your grave concern over the "people of little means" extend to working class J6 protestors who had to post bail for criminal trespass (i.e., not seditious conspiracy) or nah?
It's black people's fault. You know you want to.
Yes. My principles on this issue are not clouded by partisan ideology. Again, the decision to remand or not should never be based on how much someone can pay. Either one is a danger, or a flight risk, or likely to continue to commit crimes, in which case one should be remanded regardless of their net worth, or one is not, in which case they should not be, regardless of their net worth.
the fact that you phrased the question this way says a lot about you.
Consider the question begged. Scores of people spend months in jail for petty crimes because they cannot afford bail. Many spent more time in jail than their alleged crime calls for if eventually found guilty.
That was never its purpose, as you are undoubtedly well aware.
"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." U.S. Const. amend. VIII.
Note that, in the hierarchy of concerns, the first thing mentioned is excessive bail
Low Bail or ROR for small property crimes by people who are likely to show up, should be assumed. If they re-offend while out, and the evidence before the judge is sufficient to demonstrate their guilt on that score, I am not overly worked up by having bail revoked or substantially increased.
But for violent criminals, like gang members, I lose no sleep of them being remanded without bail as "likely flight risks" or just because.
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then, I contradict myself; (I am large. I contain multitudes).
Well, then, let's also consider what it means in the context of the Amendment.
Excessive bail is bail which is much more than necessary or usual to ensure they will make court appearances, especially as it relates to minor crimes. Bail cannot place excessive restrictions on a defendant in relation to the perceived crime.
That's not a contradiction at all. It's my position, and IIRC, that is the position of the NY and NJ bail reform laws. People seem to confuse, either through honest ignorance, or for more sinister purposes, what bail reform is, or should be. I laid out my position in #61. It is not "Let's let everyone charged with any crime roam free under all circumstances and hope they show up for trial."
EDIT: And, I'd add, the 5th and 14th amendments forbid the government from depriving anyone of liberty without due process.
Uh, no. It is the Court in setting bail.
I think snapper is on team "Every amendment after the second should be thrown out."
I've read too much Radley Balko to accept this without an instinct to say "yeah, but..."
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