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Saturday, February 17, 2018

OT - 2017-18 NBA thread (All-Star Weekend to End of Time edition)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, none of whom can be bothered to curate their own thread to avoid detracting from what this site is really about:  eliminationist rhetoric and precognition.

Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: February 17, 2018 at 02:09 AM | 6537 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   6401. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2018 at 08:50 PM (#5685118)
Flipinski.
   6402. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 08:53 PM (#5685121)
This team LeBron has is really pretty bad. Clarkson sucks. I realize you can't play George Hill 42 minutes a night, but surely there's got to be another option here. Jeff Green sucks at shooting 3 pointers, and did not shoot there. He looked like he may have hurt his shoulder earlier in the game.
   6403. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 08:55 PM (#5685124)
I always thought George Hill was pretty good. But I'm a Spurs fan.


   6404. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: June 03, 2018 at 08:56 PM (#5685125)
[6402] I know the play you're talking about and not only did Green not shoot, he dribbled into a much worse shot. Infuriating. I think at some point you might have to dust off Cedi and Hood.
   6405. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 08:59 PM (#5685128)
Nantz has not shown me anything here. Unable to secure a rebound, awful defense on the Curry 3 there. I feel like Thompson's been on the bench a long while.
   6406. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:04 PM (#5685131)
James is not yet into this game.
   6407. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:10 PM (#5685135)
I'm not blaming the man, but LBJ is taking whole series off, not just plays. As Jackson said, that attack was lame, and then after the dunk (he never got back), he stood on the side on offense. Maybe he's a bit demoralized, maybe he's saving himself for game three, maybe he's just waiting for his clownshoes teammates to step up, but he's got to get into this game. They're still in it.
   6408. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:11 PM (#5685136)
Cleveland has had way too many rebounds where they just swat at it instead of secure it. I realize it's way easier to do that, but all those loose balls are going Golden State's way.
   6409. tshipman Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:11 PM (#5685137)
You know, as bad as this has been for Cleveland, Golden State has not shot well from 3. Klay in particular could easily have a few more.
   6410. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:11 PM (#5685138)
Jordan Clarkson's last assist came at 6:16 left in the 4th quarter in Game 4 ... against Toronto.

Since:
113 minutes
39 points
28.5 FG%
16-56 FG
6-21 FG from 3
2 turnovers, 1 FTA
0 assists
   6411. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:14 PM (#5685139)
I'm not blaming the man, but LBJ is taking whole series off, not just plays. As Jackson said, that attack was lame, and then after the dunk (he never got back), he stood on the side on offense. Maybe he's a bit demoralized, maybe he's saving himself for game three, maybe he's just waiting for his clownshoes teammates to step up, but he's got to get into this game. They're still in it.

I'm not disagreeing or saying you don't have a point, but he has 15/7/7 right now. The standard he's held to here is just.
   6412. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:16 PM (#5685140)

I'm not blaming the man, but LBJ is taking whole series off, not just plays. As Jackson said, that attack was lame, and then after the dunk (he never got back), he stood on the side on offense. Maybe he's a bit demoralized, maybe he's saving himself for game three, maybe he's just waiting for his clownshoes teammates to step up, but he's got to get into this game. They're still in it.


He's missed some layups and is on and off defensively but his teammates need to step up.

That said, Curry and Durant are playing well and when both of them play well Golden State is extremely difficult to beat, almost impossible for Cleveland to beat.
   6413. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:16 PM (#5685141)
I'm not convinced Kevon Looney is an NBA player. He's got the good body, but good lord, there's not a lot of basketball skill there.
   6414. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:19 PM (#5685142)
It's the standard he holds himself to, Moses, and the standard he wants us to hold him to. He's got to bring intensity, especially on the defensive end.
   6415. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:21 PM (#5685144)
I agree with 6411. I think he's mostly playing well. Not last game but he's fine.

His scrump teammates are putting up a line of 11-35 from the field. That's not acceptable.
   6416. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:23 PM (#5685146)
It's the standard he holds himself to, Moses, and the standard he wants us to hold him to. He's got to bring intensity, especially on the defensive end.

When he's been on Durant he seems reasonably locked in. He's got a couple of steals including (or and?) a really nice tie up of Steph on a drive. I mean, I don't think he's mailing it in on defense. It's mostly not his fault that the rim runs are happening (the one at the end of the half was his fault, as he doubled at the top of the court for some reason). His teammates can't mark their guys.
   6417. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:27 PM (#5685147)
Nah. You're both wrong and Pierce and the boys are right: the energy is just not there tonight. It's not. If you think he's happy with a 30 point game, or if you think his defense has been good, you're not watching the game. Yes, his teammates suck. We know that. But LBJ's standard in the playoffs is not a 15 pt half. It's not. That's not our standard here. That's everyone's LBJ standard.
   6418. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:30 PM (#5685150)
But LBJ's standard in the playoffs is not a 15 pt half. It's not. That's not our standard here. That's everyone's LBJ standard.

He's averaging 35, so that's 2.5 points off his average half. Ahead of his rebound and assist pace though.
   6419. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:45 PM (#5685160)
I think the feeling is that he has to score 40+ to let the team have a chance to win. But he could do 25 in a half, so doable.
   6420. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:46 PM (#5685161)
Man Golden State isn't marking Love or Thompson well this quarter.
   6421. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:48 PM (#5685162)
HOW IS THAT NOT A FOUL?!?!?!?!?
   6422. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:50 PM (#5685165)
That's just awful.
   6423. KronicFatigue Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:51 PM (#5685166)
I presume that's a foul but I don't really know the rule regarding accidental contact. Klay accidentally bumped into Curry who accidentally bumped into LeBron
   6424. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:52 PM (#5685167)
Agreed. That ref should be fined for that.

Love's been aggressive and efficient this quarter. They needed that badly. I think I'd be rolling this Thompson+Love line up a bunch this series.

I'm impressed with Cleveland's ability to stay close this series, on the road, despite Golden State shooting well. Golden State's near 60% from the field today (some of this is due to their own poor defense, of course)
   6425. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:52 PM (#5685169)
Yeah, that's a foul still, Kronic. They don't ask intentions. It cost Cleveland the ball, and I agree with van Gundy about the technical. Total nonsense.
   6426. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:52 PM (#5685170)
Most fouls are accidental fyi.
   6427. tshipman Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:54 PM (#5685172)
So I guess only Cavs/LeBron fans can complain about officiating on this board. Cool, cool.
   6428. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:55 PM (#5685173)
I agree, Spicey. The series is close. Cleveland's hanging tough. GSW loses defensive focus a lot.
   6429. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:55 PM (#5685174)
Golden State is getting hurt on the offensive glass again.

Jeff Green sucks at basketball.
   6430. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:55 PM (#5685175)
NJ and I are Knicks fans. WTF?
   6431. PERSON WOMAN MAN CAMERA TFTIO Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:55 PM (#5685176)
It really chaps my ass that the national broadcasts use shots of San Francisco during Warriors games.
   6432. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:56 PM (#5685177)
JR Smith has been such hot garbage this game. And Jeff Green passes up another open 3 below the break. What in the actual #### are you doing out there.
   6433. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:57 PM (#5685178)
There's no way Kyle Korver can be worse than JR Smith. No ####### way.
   6434. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:57 PM (#5685179)
Is there a more beautiful shot than Durant's? He barely even hits net.
   6435. PJ Martinez Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:57 PM (#5685180)
That was an incredible pass by LeBron, which went entirely without comment on the broadcast.

Edit: Now Van Gundy's talking about it.
   6436. tshipman Posted: June 03, 2018 at 09:58 PM (#5685181)
NJ and I are Knicks fans. WTF?


You're just rooting for LeBron, you're hardly a neutral.
   6437. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:00 PM (#5685182)
Ha. See the posts above where I was arguing he wasn't having a great game.
   6438. PJ Martinez Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:00 PM (#5685183)
I'm rooting for LeBron, but that was an iffy call against Bell.
   6439. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:01 PM (#5685184)
You're just rooting for LeBron, you're hardly a neutral.

I'm rooting for LeBron, JC is pretty neutral when it comes to LeBron.
   6440. strong silence Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:03 PM (#5685186)

Women's teams pass more right? I don't watch the WNBA. Do they do isolation plays?
   6441. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:04 PM (#5685187)
Regardless of whom people are rooting for, when two players knock into a guy catching a pass and it causes him to lose the ball, that's a foul. That was a foul. Bad no call, and bad technical on Lue.
   6442. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:05 PM (#5685189)
I think you're allowed to complain about fouls but I think it's been pretty reasonably officiated here. I think it's slightly benefited Golden State but basically just as much as you get for a home team. I do greatly appreciate chatters more when it's less officiating focused. I think that play was a blip rather than a trend, especially because it was pretty dangerous of Curry to go under LeBron like that. Which, I'm fine with him going for the ball, but I think dangerous plays are the ones where you can't hold the whistle.
   6443. JC in DC Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:06 PM (#5685190)
Wait a second: we've not been complaining about the officiating. We complained about a singular no call.

The big news here is that this series might be tight.
   6444. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:10 PM (#5685192)
Man a lot of the Cavs role players are laying total eggs. Nantz, Green, JR, and Korver are a combined 68 minutes, 3-17 from the field.
   6445. tshipman Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:11 PM (#5685194)
I think you're allowed to complain about fouls but I think it's been pretty reasonably officiated here. I think it's slightly benefited Golden State but basically just as much as you get for a home team.


The Cavs have half the fouls called on them as the Warriors and people are still whining about the refs.

Like, do people just think the Cavs should have zero fouls? Should the Warriors have 50?
   6446. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:11 PM (#5685195)
It really chaps my ass that the national broadcasts use shots of San Francisco during Warriors games.


If they were the Oakland Warriors, you'd have a better point. Still, I guess you can counterargue that a shot of LA, San Diego or San bernadino would be equally appropriate.
   6447. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:14 PM (#5685199)
Curry goes all the way to the rim in traffic too much. He's not making those, nor getting fouled.
   6448. tshipman Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:15 PM (#5685200)
Curry goes all the way to the rim in traffic to much. He's not making those, nor getting fouled.


No, he is getting fouled on them, and Curry is one of the best finishers in traffic in the NBA.
   6449. SteveF Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:16 PM (#5685201)
James could have 40/15/15 and it won't be enough. The Cavs just give up too many points.
   6450. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:16 PM (#5685202)
Announcers making a big deal about Livingston so far perfect from the field in the finals. The irony of that is TT fouled him on the shot at the end of overtime in game 1, that wasn't going in as Livingston barely aimed it. Without the cheap foul he'd have a miss already.
   6451. PJ Martinez Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:16 PM (#5685203)
From before the game: "Steph Curry is shooting 80.4% in the restricted area in the playoffs. That doesn't even make sense." He's been good there, to put it mildly (but I've missed most of tonight's game, FWIW).
   6452. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:18 PM (#5685205)
Cleveland has zero help side defense. I think some of that is the beauty of the Warriors offense. They're so scary because they're such great shooters and movers without the ball. But there's no weak side defender coming to meet you at the rim in this game. It's just back screens and back cuts and nobody is even considering rotating over.
   6453. PERSON WOMAN MAN CAMERA TFTIO Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:19 PM (#5685207)
If they were the Oakland Warriors, you'd have a better point. Still, I guess you can counterargue that a shot of LA, San Diego or San bernadino would be equally appropriate.

Tonight, they're wearing their "Town" jerseys, with the oak tree on it.
   6454. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:21 PM (#5685208)
Nantz

He's much more athletic than his dad Jim.
   6455. PERSON WOMAN MAN CAMERA TFTIO Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:22 PM (#5685209)
He's much more athletic than his dad Jim.

Looks just like him, though.
   6456. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:22 PM (#5685210)
He's much more athletic than his dad Jim.

I keep getting his last name confused. I'm shooting from the hip here. People need my fresh content.
   6457. Davo Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:23 PM (#5685212)
Which Warriors are returning to the team next season? If it’s all of Curry-Durant-Green-Thompson again, I’m gonna be a little disheartened.
   6458. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:23 PM (#5685213)
Steph is just otherworldly.
   6459. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:23 PM (#5685215)
IS there a source for all of the numbers on this?
   6460. PJ Martinez Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:26 PM (#5685217)
Which Warriors are returning to the team next season? If it’s all of Curry-Durant-Green-Thompson again, I’m gonna be a little disheartened.

I mean, this season was a lot of fun for a lot of people, it seems to me, even though it's coming down to exactly the matchup we expected and that matchup may very well play out pretty much as people expected (though Game 1 was interesting).

But yes, I believe that quartet will be back with the Warriors and they will definitely be the favorites to win it all again. Fingers crossed that someone in the West can challenge them and that Boston or Philly or some unexpected Eastern Conference team can offer some resistance in the Finals.
   6461. KronicFatigue Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:27 PM (#5685218)
Has LeBron had a moment this game where he's thought, even for a second, "don't worry, I'll get you next year when I'm on _____" (Philly, Houston, etc)
   6462. sardonic Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:28 PM (#5685219)
Seeing this Curry-Durant pick and roll reminds me -- where the heck was that last series? I'm still overall a fan of Steve Kerr, but in year 4 I'm starting to see a couple warts. He's a pretty stubborn coach style-wise.

Also, Steph has consistently ranged from above average (the last couple years) to one of the best in the league (in the 73 win year) FG% at the rim on a good number of attempts. He doesn't do it with physicality like most, but he's just unreal finishing off glass and at taking offbeat shots (shooting on the way up, etc.). I do think the blocks this season are a bit the league finally adjusting to his rhythm.
   6463. SteveF Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:28 PM (#5685220)
Here is some FG% on drives states. Curry does pretty well relative to the league.

Edit: Need a few to get this link to work.
   6464. spivey Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:28 PM (#5685221)
Thompson has 23 minutes and is a -1 for +/-. There's a lot of noise in single game plus-minus but it makes a lot of sense for him as Larry Nantz Jr has no ####### idea how to play pick and roll defense and Jeff Green was terrible tonight.

I think most of Golden State's offense is unguardable, certainly with the personnel of Cleveland. I'd just go hard for the kill them on the glass lineup. Love and Thompson have been put on an island so much the last few years with Golden State that they both are pretty competent at it.
   6465. PJ Martinez Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:29 PM (#5685222)
I don't think what Jordan Clarkson is lacking is confidence, Jeff.
   6466. tshipman Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:29 PM (#5685223)
IS there a source for all of the numbers on this?


It's on BBREF:

Scroll down to "shooting" and see fg% by distance. You want 0-3 for shots at the rim. Regular season, Curry was at 67%, which is really good
   6467. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:31 PM (#5685224)
Kyle Korver needs to get the f off the court.
   6468. the virus could be killed by injecting 57i66135 Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:33 PM (#5685225)
Has LeBron had a moment this game where he's thought, even for a second, "don't worry, I'll get you next year when I'm on _____" (Philly, Houston, etc)
at the very least, we know that lebron has been thinking about the sixers.
   6469. jmurph Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:34 PM (#5685227)
Tristan Thompson must be FURIOUS at all of these shots by Golden State once the game was no longer in doubt.
   6470. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:37 PM (#5685229)
The only thing left in this game is to see if anyone starts a tussle over someone shooting in the last 10 seconds or some other such incident.

EDIT: Ha, didn't see 6469 before I wrote that.
   6471. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:41 PM (#5685230)
Is Iguoadala likely to get back for Game 3?
   6472. smileyy Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:44 PM (#5685231)
I'd put money on Iggy being done for the season.
   6473. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: June 03, 2018 at 10:51 PM (#5685237)
Not directly related to the game, but Jerry West's lead in total points scored in the Finals is really impressive.
   6474. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: June 03, 2018 at 11:33 PM (#5685265)
Draymond is a really intelligent, insightful interview subject.
   6475. Howie Menckel Posted: June 03, 2018 at 11:45 PM (#5685268)
It really chaps my ass that the national broadcasts use shots of San Francisco during Warriors games.

you must have loved the Manhattan skyline shots during the 2014 Super Bowl that was played in New Jersey - and those 2 Nets NBA finals appearances and all 3 Devils Stanley Cup wins that featured the same.
   6476. PJ Martinez Posted: June 03, 2018 at 11:50 PM (#5685271)
From Haberstroh:

3-POINTERS
Stephen Curry tonight: 9/17
Bulls entire 1991 Finals: 5/21
   6477. Thok Posted: June 03, 2018 at 11:55 PM (#5685274)
Which Warriors are returning to the team next season?


Curry/Thompson/Green/Iguodala/Livingston are signed for next season; Durant has a player option. Durant and Thompson are unsigned for the season after that.

The Warriors have a lot of bench space to fill; of the role players, only Damian Jones and Jordan Bell are signed for next year.
   6478. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: June 04, 2018 at 09:19 AM (#5685338)
Quinn Cook is also signed for next season.

Looney is likely to sign elsewhere, and I bet West retires if they win another championship. Zaza won't be back and I doubt Young will; wouldn't surprise me to see them bring back McGee though. They do have their 1st round pick, so that will be one spot filled and they will find a couple of ring chasing vets to fill the rest of the bench.
   6479. jmurph Posted: June 04, 2018 at 09:45 AM (#5685358)
It remains absurd that Golden State got a guy in the second round of the draft who immediately fits in just fine as a rotational big man in the Finals.
   6480. JC in DC Posted: June 04, 2018 at 10:31 AM (#5685438)
They can always sign Kendrick Perkins.
   6481. spivey Posted: June 04, 2018 at 10:41 AM (#5685451)
The initial scuttlebutt is that Klay will sign an under-market extension this offseason, which should keep the super team together for 2-3 more years. He always seemed to be the piece that needed to sacrifice most from a salary perspective.
   6482. the virus could be killed by injecting 57i66135 Posted: June 04, 2018 at 10:44 AM (#5685455)
   6483. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:11 AM (#5685494)
   6484. jmurph Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:14 AM (#5685496)
ere's 4 minutes of lebron trying not to murder jr smith. (lebron at 2:15 is gold)

When he finds out they had a timeout. Wow. I don't know how you get over that.
   6485. JC in DC Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:15 AM (#5685497)
It's not a good look for LBJ. Just cuss him out and move on. Stop the pouting.
   6486. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:19 AM (#5685501)
Also, didn't LeBron know they have a timeout? He tried calling one, just too late (he should know whether or not they have a timeout).
   6487. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:20 AM (#5685502)
[6486] My interpretation is that he assumed that since he didn't get the timeout maybe that meant the refs were ignoring him because they didn't have one rather than call the violation.
   6488. JC in DC Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:21 AM (#5685504)
[6487] I kinda agree with that; I think he was uncertain whether they had one, and is not calling for it with much enthusiasm. (Imagine being wrong and getting T'ed up there? Holy crap.]
   6489. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5685520)
Hmmm, hadn't thought of that. Makes sense.
   6490. Rally Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5685521)
Kyle Korver needs to get the f off the court.


Here's the problem: If the Cavs kick every player off the court for playing shitty basketball, they'll be left with LeBron playing 1 on 5.
   6491. jmurph Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:38 AM (#5685522)
It's not a good look for LBJ. Just cuss him out and move on. Stop the pouting.

He had a near certain upset victory ripped away from him by an incompetent coach and teammate, after one of the greatest individual performances in Finals history. I think he gets a few minutes to process it.
   6492. spivey Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:41 AM (#5685528)
I agree with 6485. It's kind of funny as an observer. But LeBron can be a total a total drama show pretty much any time the team hits some adversity. That did not look like the huddle of a team that was ready to play overtime.

I also think the pressure LeBron puts on the people around him is pretty crazy.
   6493. JC in DC Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:43 AM (#5685530)
Why was that Lue's fault? And, everyone on that team had the victory snatched from the jaws of defeat. I don't see Korver, or TT, sitting and sulking. I get being upset. But, if you're the alpha dog, arguably GOAT, shout at him and move on, like your coach has done, like your teammates have done.
   6494. jmurph Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:49 AM (#5685535)
Because they had a timeout that they didn't use while JR ran out the clock for over 4 seconds?
   6495. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:50 AM (#5685537)
I also think the pressure LeBron puts on the people around him is pretty crazy.

Yes and no. He's good enough that you're generally being asked to perform in pressure spots, but as one of my IRL friends put it "He does so much that the bar to help him is as low as 'make an open shot' or 'know the score' and yet these guys can't do that."

Here's the problem: If the Cavs kick every player off the court for playing shitty basketball, they'll be left with LeBron playing 1 on 5.

1 vs 5 you say?! Loved this video.

Why was that Lue's fault? And, everyone on that team had the victory snatched from the jaws of defeat. I don't see Korver, or TT, sitting and sulking. I get being upset. But, if you're the alpha dog, arguably GOAT, shout at him and move on, like your coach has done, like your teammates have done.

Managing timeouts is one of the chief ways a coach can affect game, so I think that's why. Agree with you that it's not a good look for LeBron to react like that, even if I understand why he did.
   6496. JC in DC Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:52 AM (#5685541)
My read of this again is that no one knew wtf Smith was doing until it was too late. LBJ thinks he's dribbling out to get space and perhaps pass to him, I assume Lue thinks more or less the same.
   6497. JC in DC Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:56 AM (#5685550)
No wonder Lue has anxiety: he gets 0 credit for his team's success and blame when #### goes bad. You want to blame someone? Blame the GM. How the hell is JR still on this team? I know he's got his uses, but it amazes me they've not upgraded that position.
   6498. jmurph Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5685554)
Seriously, JC? Calling timeout when one of your players dribbles out the clock in regulation is not a high bar. I don't get this at all.
   6499. jmurph Posted: June 04, 2018 at 11:59 AM (#5685556)
"He does so much that the bar to help him is as low as 'make an open shot' or 'know the score' and yet these guys can't do that."

This is where I'm at. Most of his teammates are asked to do very, very little.
   6500. The Good Face Posted: June 04, 2018 at 12:01 PM (#5685558)
I also think the pressure LeBron puts on the people around him is pretty crazy.


Worse than Jordan or Kobe? For better or worse, that seems to be kind of the norm for guys at the top of the NBA heap over the past few decades. Although LeBron seems more of the passive aggressive, sulk-then-stab-you-in-the-back kind of guy compared to those two.
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