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Friday, February 15, 2019

OT - 2018-19 NBA thread (All-Star Weekend to Twelfth of Never edition)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, none of whom can be bothered to curate their own thread to avoid detracting from what this site is really about:  Kyler Murray and how the Galactic Empire did nothing wrong.

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   1401. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 13, 2019 at 04:39 PM (#5831535)
I actually meant if Embiid can't play. B. Simmons and Harris look invisible. McConnell and J. Simmons are big liabilities and Redick's getting beat badly too. Boban's been their third best player. I'd put Zhaire Smith in ASAP.

simmons is at least playing great D on dangelo russell, and he isn't turning the ball over.

harris needs to do what jimmy butler did in the 2nd quarter: stop standing in the corner, take the ball, impose your will and take over the game. that's easier said than done, but nothing good has come out of him standing in the corner.

redick can't get open against defenders like dinwiddie and lavert in the playoffs. they're too long, they're too agile and redick has no chance when refs let defenders maul him away from the play.


####### lebron.
   1402. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 13, 2019 at 04:43 PM (#5831537)
and ####### MF.
   1403. JC in DC Posted: April 13, 2019 at 04:49 PM (#5831538)
simmons is at least playing great D on dangelo russell


Your bar for "great D" is real low. Simmons gets up tight, and then gets beat pretty quickly.
   1404. Davo Posted: April 13, 2019 at 04:57 PM (#5831541)
Is Simmons hurt too, or something?
   1405. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 13, 2019 at 05:14 PM (#5831543)
Your bar for "great D" is real low. Simmons gets up tight, and then gets beat pretty quickly.

nearly all of russell's damage has been done against redick and mcconnell.

i don't know what plays you're specifically referring to, but i'll mention two things:
1: simmons often uses a trail technique where he takes away 3PAs by giving away a driving lane, then uses his body to funnel that penetration towards joel embiid, while using his length to disrupt layups and pass attempts. it looks sloppy, but it's extremely effective.

2: the sixers pick and roll defense is pretty shitty.
   1406. tshipman Posted: April 13, 2019 at 05:19 PM (#5831544)
Games like this one are why people are questionable on the value of Ben Simmons as a franchise guy.

***

Russell is -10 in a game where the Nets won by 9. I feel like there's some kind of conspiracy in play to ignore how good Spencer Dinwiddie is.
   1407. jmurph Posted: April 13, 2019 at 05:26 PM (#5831546)
Games like this one are why people are questionable on the value of Ben Simmons as a franchise guy.

I don’t understand how this is even an argument anymore. “If he massively improves at like half the game he’s going to be legendary” can be said about so many guys.
   1408. Hombre Brotani Posted: April 13, 2019 at 05:29 PM (#5831547)
####### lebron.
UNIVERSE I AM GRATEFUL FOR THIS DAY THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN ME

This NBA week has sucked, but today has been gold, I tell you, gold.
   1409. Tin Angel Posted: April 13, 2019 at 05:32 PM (#5831548)
Heh, from a Philly board:

Would you guys trade Simmons for Lillard if Portland accepted it?
   1410. Hombre Brotani Posted: April 13, 2019 at 05:36 PM (#5831549)
Andrew Sharp
‏@andrewsharp

The Sixers have the chemistry of an all-star team except that 80% of these guys aren’t all-stars
   1411. JC in DC Posted: April 13, 2019 at 05:50 PM (#5831550)
[1410] That's a good line.
   1412. . Posted: April 13, 2019 at 05:53 PM (#5831551)
“Shout-out to Sam Hinkie,” he said. “I didn’t comprehend the Process, but that shit’s working now.”


LOL.
   1413. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 13, 2019 at 05:57 PM (#5831552)
nothing that happens this postseason will result in me calling for brett brown to be fired (i think), but if i didn't respect him for the way he's carried himself over the last 6 years, i would rip the everloving #### out of him. i see no fewer than 4 fireable offenses right now:

1: the sixers best player is a dominant 7'2, 280 lb center, with bad knees, bad hips, bad ankles, bad feet and a bad back...and yet, the sixers play a top 10 pace, making him run up and down the court until he needs an IV and an oxygen tank during commercial breaks. what the #### are you doing, masshole?

2: the sixers are comically allergic to initiating their half-court offense with a pick and roll, despite that being the most effective form of half-court offense in the NBA right now.

3: the sixers have been bottom 5 in their rate of corner 3PAs per total 3PAs in 5 of his 6 years as coach. corner 3s are the most efficient shots in the sport (other than dunks and layups), but it'll probably even out at some point, right?

4: he was the "GM" this offseason, and he blew it so ####### badly the sixers wound up burning most of their assets (well, the ones that the idiot son hadn't already set on fire, anyway) to get two players who are unrestricted free agents this summer. they're really good players, but if brown had done a better job in free agency, maybe the sixers could have held off a deal for jimmy butler until they could find a way to keep robert covington. and if they already had simmons, butler and covington, then maybe they could have sent whoever they signed instead of redick (or wilson chandler) to LAC, and gotten them to include patrick beverley, too.

with those two minor changes, the sixers could have something like this rotation:
simmons / butler / covington / harris / embiid
|| beverley, (j.ennis/j.simmons/c.brewer), scott, boban

instead of this one:
simmons / redick / butler / harris / embiid
|| mcconnell, (ennis/simmons), scott, boban



again, i love brett brown for what he's done to keep this organization from becoming the kings, but i'm not sure that the process did not break his brain.
   1414. Fourth True Outcome Posted: April 13, 2019 at 06:01 PM (#5831553)
Come on, that's not fair to Brett Brown. The man's a Mainer, not a Masshole.
   1415. . Posted: April 13, 2019 at 06:02 PM (#5831554)
Brown didn't impress in last year's playoffs, either, but that said -- neither did Simmons. It's really hard to be a star-caliber playoff performer if you can't shoot. In the playoffs, teams game plan hard for that kind of thing.
   1416. JC in DC Posted: April 13, 2019 at 06:06 PM (#5831557)
Ok, a little rant of my own: as much as people dislike Harden's game, I dislike Simmons'. Harden can do things I associate with basketball, beginning with shooting. He's got a beautiful stroke. Sure, he's no Curry or Durant, but it's gorgeous when it's on. He can dribble and break down defenses, and he can pass. True, he's no defender. And, yes, he's a foul-hunting warrior that can be really ugly at times. But, I love his game: it looks like bball that I recognize well.

Simmons cannot shoot. I hate his game. He's got great court vision for sure. He passes very nicely. But, his ballhandling is really suspect, in my judgment, and aided by the extraordinarily lax rules that allow him, at his size, to be a primary ballhandler. He's best playing with a head of steam, attacking right to the rim, but even there he does little I think of as displaying real basketball ability. But that "head of steam" approach seems to run counter to your Embiid-friendly take it up slowly recommendations, STIGGY.
   1417. . Posted: April 13, 2019 at 06:07 PM (#5831558)
I'd rather have Jrue than Simmons. Certainly this Sixers mix would be better with Jrue. They had the chemistry and spacing of a Rucker Park pickup team today.
   1418. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 13, 2019 at 06:18 PM (#5831567)
1: the sixers best player is a dominant 7'2, 280 lb center, with bad knees, bad hips, bad ankles, bad feet and a bad back...and yet, the sixers play a top 10 pace, making him run up and down the court until he needs an IV and an oxygen tank during commercial breaks. what the #### are you doing, masshole?


Catering too much to Simmons' game.
   1419. JC in DC Posted: April 13, 2019 at 06:20 PM (#5831574)
Toronto gonna Toronto?
   1420. Oriole Tragic Posted: April 13, 2019 at 06:23 PM (#5831576)

I only saw the recap video, so I'm not sure about this, but it looked like Agent Smith ran out a super-small lineup against Philly's #BOBAN lineups. Did that work as well as it looked like it did?
   1421. JC in DC Posted: April 13, 2019 at 06:26 PM (#5831577)
[1420] They played pretty small all game.
   1422. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 13, 2019 at 06:28 PM (#5831578)
UNIVERSE I AM GRATEFUL FOR THIS DAY THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN ME

This NBA week has sucked, but today has been gold, I tell you, gold.
signing timofey mozgov and luol deng is finally proving to be a stroke of genius.

i think i said this last summer, but as soon as lebron found out that noone was willing to follow him to LA, he should have taken a step back and reconsidered the sixers offer. spend one year in philly, playing in front of sellout crowds, getting treated like hernan cortez anytime you show your face in public, winning 60+ games without breaking a sweat, doing your mentor thing with simmons and embiid, then reevaluate your options the next summer.

i get that he didn't go to LA to win basketball games, but he could have waited a year to do some of those other things.
   1423. tshipman Posted: April 13, 2019 at 06:33 PM (#5831580)
signing timofey mozgov and luol deng is finally proving to be a stroke of genius.


I have no idea what you and LA Hombre are going on about. I even googled.
   1424. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: April 13, 2019 at 06:41 PM (#5831582)
Entertaining posts from Hombre, shipman, and Stiggles. Also, Kyle Kuzma decided to get things rolling on FA recruitment:

Jimmy a playoff player forsure

— kuz (@kylekuzma) April 13, 2019
   1425. Davo Posted: April 13, 2019 at 06:43 PM (#5831583)
One reminder of a subtle difference between the NBA and the NCAA:

The 76ers scored a layup to cut the deficit to 9 points, with 38 seconds to play. And then they…..did nothing. They just watched as the Nets dribbled out the clock and took a 24-second shot clock violation. And then the 76ers held on to the ball and launched an uncontested shot at the buzzer.

No chance in the world a college team would just give up in that spot. I probably wouldn’t have noticed it if I hadn’t spent all of March watching college hoops!
   1426. Davo Posted: April 13, 2019 at 06:45 PM (#5831584)
(And im not saying the Sixers SHOULD have fouled to “extend the game” or anything like that—down 9 with 38 seconds to play is pretty much hopeless—but there’s no chance in hell a *college* team would have surrendered there!)
   1427. Howie Menckel Posted: April 13, 2019 at 07:13 PM (#5831586)
hence the term "the old college try"
   1428. spivey Posted: April 13, 2019 at 07:27 PM (#5831595)
Kawhi Leonard is a bad ############
   1429. spivey Posted: April 13, 2019 at 07:30 PM (#5831597)
Hell of an ending to this game. Playoffs baby!!
   1430. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 13, 2019 at 07:32 PM (#5831598)
[1420] They played pretty small all game.
yeah, after embiid went biblical on jarrett allen and ed davis in the first quarter, BRK kind of gave up on trying to use them.
He's best playing with a head of steam, attacking right to the rim, but even there he does little I think of as displaying real basketball ability. But that "head of steam" approach seems to run counter to your Embiid-friendly take it up slowly recommendations, STIGGY.
no, it just refocuses it.

simmons' current value derives mostly from defense, rebounding and dunking. of those strengths, the only one that would be less valuable at a slower pace is his dunking. but even then, 60% of simmons' dunks are already assisted, and alot of the rest come from him crashing the offensive glass. it's a bit harsh to treat his playmaking ability like a novelty, but that might be for the best until he can cut down his turnovers and make a damn jump shot.

No chance in the world a college team would just give up in that spot. I probably wouldn’t have noticed it if I hadn’t spent all of March watching college hoops!
that's not basketball; that's just a bunch of people who know they'll never be on television again in their lives.
   1431. Tin Angel Posted: April 13, 2019 at 07:33 PM (#5831599)
Orlando is going to be rocking tonight!
   1432. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 13, 2019 at 07:36 PM (#5831600)
@kpelton
The two road winners (Brooklyn and Orlando) shot 45.5% on 3s (25-55). The two home winners shot 24.6% (15-61). You already know the expression.


Regardless of the reason, these first two games were a lot of fun.

   1433. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 13, 2019 at 07:38 PM (#5831601)
BRK: 11/26
PHI: 3/24

ORL: 14/29
TOR: 12/35



(one of these things is not like the others)
   1434. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 13, 2019 at 07:44 PM (#5831603)
Historically awful shooter and former Sixers ROY PG Michael Carter Williams: 2 three-pointers made today.
Ben Simmons: 0 three-pointers made in 171 games.

Too bad they didn't keep Hinkie so they could have sold high on him too.
   1435. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: April 13, 2019 at 07:47 PM (#5831605)
Too bad they didn't keep Hinkie so they could have sold high on him too.


Wow. Playoff-level snark. Hahaha. Unfortunately, I root for a bottom-feeder, so I cannot take part.
   1436. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 13, 2019 at 07:51 PM (#5831606)
Historically awful shooter and former Sixers ROY PG Michael Carter Williams: 2 three-pointers made today.
Ben Simmons: 0 three-pointers made in 171 games.

Too bad they didn't keep Hinkie so they could have sold high on him too.
i'm pretty sure you can find a half-dozen posts i've made in the last year where i said the sixers should bring back MCW.


that being said:
player A: 19% usage, 46% TS%
player B: 22% usage, 58% TS%
player C: 26% usage, 48% TS%
   1437. PJ Martinez Posted: April 13, 2019 at 07:54 PM (#5831608)
nvm
   1438. An Athletic in Powderhorn, Silly Posted: April 13, 2019 at 08:26 PM (#5831621)
I will not offer predictions so as not to make a fool of myself. Instead, (watching the end of the Tor-Orl game brought this to mind) I will list my rooting preferences.

1. Warriors, obviously
2. Raptors
3. Celtics
4. Jazz
5. Nuggets
6. uh... Spurs? I guess? I like Pop
7. It would be nice if the Pistons could take a game or two off the impending conference champs. Losing in 6 would feel like a victory
8-14. Don't care
15. Sixers
16. Rockets
   1439. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 13, 2019 at 08:41 PM (#5831626)
15. Sixers
your welcome.
   1440. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 13, 2019 at 08:44 PM (#5831628)
Masai Ujiri must be so goddamned angry right now.
   1441. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: April 13, 2019 at 08:50 PM (#5831632)
1440

Maybe, but I think the first round being best-of-7 mostly makes these games blips, in all likelihood. I think we will see Toronto and Philadelphia in the semis. In the best-of-5 format from BITD, well, losing Game 1 at home was a problem.
   1442. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 13, 2019 at 08:53 PM (#5831635)
It's just, this is exactly the narrative of The Same Old Raptors that the Leonard deal, and the Casey firing, was supposed to address.
   1443. An Athletic in Powderhorn, Silly Posted: April 13, 2019 at 08:54 PM (#5831637)
In-game coach interviews: still awful. Stop it already.
   1444. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 13, 2019 at 09:07 PM (#5831643)
1. Raptors
1. Bucks
3. Denver
4. GSW
5. LAC
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15. Celtics
16. Houston
   1445. spivey Posted: April 13, 2019 at 09:15 PM (#5831650)
Montrez is a beast
   1446. Oriole Tragic Posted: April 13, 2019 at 09:26 PM (#5831652)
yeah, after embiid went biblical on jarrett allen and ed davis in the first quarter, BRK kind of gave up on trying to use them
Ed Davis was something like +28 with 15 rebounds in 25 minutes, no?
   1447. NJ in NJ Posted: April 13, 2019 at 09:28 PM (#5831654)
Clippers got absolutely hosed by the refs at the end of the 2nd Q.
   1448. spivey Posted: April 13, 2019 at 09:29 PM (#5831656)
1447: Yep. Harrell looks like his hand could be pretty hurt too, but the announcers were busy talking about popcorn.
   1449. Davo Posted: April 13, 2019 at 09:36 PM (#5831661)
I’m not a very knowledgeable fan—Why doesn’t Harrell start?
   1450. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 13, 2019 at 09:37 PM (#5831662)
I’m not a very knowledgeable fan—Why doesn’t Harrell start?

Defense.
   1451. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 13, 2019 at 09:43 PM (#5831663)
Walton in in SAC. I'm not sure this helps?
   1452. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: April 13, 2019 at 10:25 PM (#5831666)
Walton is OK, and if Joerger's problem was getting along with guys (supposedly he was canned because he had issues with Bagley) Walton will help there. But I don't see it as a big deal.

The Lakers will be interviewing Ty Lue(surprising-heh), Monty Williams and probably Juwan Howard.
   1453. Hombre Brotani Posted: April 13, 2019 at 10:40 PM (#5831667)
If any karma exists, Durant will collect Ts and end up missing a game in the Finals, Draymond-stylez.
   1454. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: April 13, 2019 at 10:51 PM (#5831669)
Honestly, Walton is likely the best hire the Kings were going to get. It's not Mark Jackson, which we can all be thankful for. I would still take Joerger over Luke even with apparent baggage, but realistically both are probably in the rr middle tier of "just a guy".

I personally was rooting for a curve ball: Kevin Johnson going from (recent) mayor of a city to its NBA coach would have been a smooth double perhaps only Fred Hoiberg would be capable of pulling off.
   1455. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 13, 2019 at 11:14 PM (#5831670)
I personally was rooting for a curve ball: Kevin Johnson going from (recent) mayor of a city to its NBA coach would have been a smooth double perhaps only Fred Hoiberg would be capable of pulling off.
trumps america.
   1456. puck Posted: April 13, 2019 at 11:44 PM (#5831672)
That Spurs-Nuggets 1st half went the way I imagine most thought it would. Spurs are getting tons of open shots, whether 3's or shots closer to the basket. Meanwhile, the Nuggets are 2-13 on 3's.
   1457. Howie Menckel Posted: April 14, 2019 at 12:13 AM (#5831674)

Mike Richman
‏Verified account @mikegrich
7h7 hours ago

The Nets made the worst trade in NBA history, built a team without lottery picks and won a playoff game before the Lakers and Knicks.
   1458. Oriole Tragic Posted: April 14, 2019 at 12:17 AM (#5831675)
LMA and DeRozan 8-for-26 and SAS leads anyway. Wow.
   1459. Davo Posted: April 14, 2019 at 01:00 AM (#5831677)
Spurs in 6 is looking pretty good.
   1460. puck Posted: April 14, 2019 at 01:29 AM (#5831679)
Disappointing, same old Nuggets, can't close it out. Had 4-5 possessions with the chance to tie or go ahead in the 4th, and got nothing.

Spurs doubled Jokic at every opportunity. He ended up with a triple double but the double figures in points didn't come until well into the 4th. His last two FG's were assisted.
   1461. puck Posted: April 14, 2019 at 01:49 AM (#5831680)
LMA and DeRozan 8-for-26 and SAS leads anyway. Wow.


They finished 12-36. Everyone else shot .596, that helps.

BTW, how about that 3rd quarter. 17-13 Nuggets.
   1462. spivey Posted: April 14, 2019 at 08:25 AM (#5831686)
Lot of 3 point variance yesterday. But these matchups are really good.

Orlando is the best low seed in the east in a long time.
   1463. . Posted: April 14, 2019 at 11:27 AM (#5831697)
The Nets made the worst trade in NBA history, built a team without lottery picks and won a playoff game before the Lakers and Knicks.


Sure, but they got gifted a high lottery pick by the Lakers. Helped control the damage of the Garnett trade.
   1464. Hombre Brotani Posted: April 14, 2019 at 01:00 PM (#5831707)
Haven't seen anyone talk about this, but it needs to be talked about:
Caron Butler's New Hair Freaked Out His Kids
   1465. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: April 14, 2019 at 01:33 PM (#5831716)
Russell deal: I think Russell is better than shipman thinks he is. I have always defended guys who can put the ball in the basket on their own, of various skill levels, even if there are other problems with their games: Bryant, Westbrook, DeRozan, Irving. If this thread had existed in 2000, I would have been defending Allen Iverson. Yes, Russell has faults, and yes he was -10 yesterday, and Philly mostly lost because they were 3/25 from the arc. But Russell scored 19 in the second half, and Brooklyn won. They are in postseason and things are looking up for them. Russell should probably get less credit than he is getting and Dinwiddie should probably get more, but I think Russell is a pretty good player.

That said, from the Lakers POV, the Russell deal was part of a larger plan, which, to date, has gone very, very badly (obviously). But:

1. The Lakers do have enough money to sign a second max guy.
2. Yes, LeBron James will be 35, but he has something to prove now (the f-u edge hahahaha), he is still LeBron James, and I am not ready to say that the decision to bring him here was a misfire yet.
3. Russell is a FA and will want big money--at least as much as Zach LaVine got, probably more.
4. Lonzo Ball, for all his problems, is better than his box score numbers, and healthy, a bit improved, and with a legit second scoring option behind James on the team with him, he might look a lot different.

So, it is certainly quite possible that the Lakers' situation will get worse, and that the Russell deal will look worse. But I do not think that the issue is settled just yet.
   1466. SteveF Posted: April 14, 2019 at 02:28 PM (#5831726)
They picked the right game to put on at 1pm.
   1467. tshipman Posted: April 14, 2019 at 02:38 PM (#5831728)
The Pacers are having a rough go here. They're taking better shots, playing better defense, and committing fewer fouls. Isn't helping them though ...
   1468. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: April 14, 2019 at 03:00 PM (#5831733)
I think every time I've watched the Pacers play someone other than the Jazz this season they've looked like the worst shooting team of all time.
   1469. Hombre Brotani Posted: April 14, 2019 at 03:04 PM (#5831735)
That said, from the Lakers POV, the Russell deal was part of a larger plan, which, to date, has gone very, very badly (obviously). But:
Not mentioned is that Russell had just lost the locker room. After the Nick Young cellphone thing, there was just no way the organization was going to see him as their floor general ever again. If he'd stayed in L.A., we probably wouldn't be seeing this sort of improvement out of him.
   1470. SteveF Posted: April 14, 2019 at 03:07 PM (#5831736)
Some of these sequences just feel like basketball injustices. It's like the ball has money on the Celtics.
   1471. spivey Posted: April 14, 2019 at 03:08 PM (#5831737)
Indiana may not break 70. This is awful.
   1472. spivey Posted: April 14, 2019 at 03:08 PM (#5831738)
Not mentioned is that Russell had just lost the locker room. After the Nick Young cellphone thing, there was just no way the organization was going to see him as their floor general ever again. If he'd stayed in L.A., we probably wouldn't be seeing this sort of improvement out of him.

Agreed. They had to move on.
   1473. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 14, 2019 at 03:30 PM (#5831742)
Agreed. They had to move on.
nah. trading russell because of nick young was defensible, but it wasn't necessary. the lakers gave up on russell because they had a new management, and russell wasn't their guy.

and speaking of regime changes, brandon ingram is the only laker left from the cup-check era.
   1474. jmurph Posted: April 14, 2019 at 03:35 PM (#5831745)
the lakers gave up on russell because they had a new management, and russell wasn't their guy.

And also because it helped them shed a disastrous contract and they got a decent pick in return.

That was a good trade for the Lakers! I don't understand this fight.
   1475. Hombre Brotani Posted: April 14, 2019 at 03:39 PM (#5831747)
More on D'Russell: Once the Lakers drafted Lonzo Ball, they had two guys in Ball and Ingram who were going to have the ball in their hands all the time. Using Russell — who they couldn't play — to get rid of Mozgov and his contract was a legit good move for the Lakers. Russell playing well now is bad optics, but if you were as convinced that Ball was going to be a star as Magic Johnson or Stiggles were, then you make that trade all day long.
   1476. tshipman Posted: April 14, 2019 at 03:47 PM (#5831749)
Russell isn't even playing that well!

I feel like I am taking crazy pills!

He scored 26 points on 25 shots! He had 4 turnovers! His team is much, much better when they play Dinwiddie/LeVert instead of him! This is by far the best year of his career and he was still not a positive player!

AAAARRRGH.
   1477. yo la tengo (the poor man's Ron Darling) Posted: April 14, 2019 at 03:56 PM (#5831750)
As an east coast guy who falls asleep early, I don't see the Blazers very often. My hot take is that Dame Lillard seems to be a pretty good basketball player
   1478. Hombre Brotani Posted: April 14, 2019 at 04:11 PM (#5831752)
Lillard is so good, and still underrated after all this time.
   1479. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 14, 2019 at 04:17 PM (#5831755)
i was looking my take on the dangelo russell to BRK trade, but i found all of this instead instead:
6669. Norcan Posted: June 22, 2017 at 11:31 AM (#5480627)
Dammit, having gone back and seen Fultz more, I wish Ainge had kept the freaking pick and taken him. He is so good. More than his skill and athleticism and length and whatnot, I just love the rhythm and pace of his decision making. He plays decisively, whether it's trying to score or make plays for his teammates, which he does very unselfishly. He is not a ball pounder. He could fit seamlessly into Golden State's system.

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Phil Jackson reportedly was falling in and out of sleep while watching a top 15 prospect work out.

6726. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: June 22, 2017 at 03:21 PM (#5480897)
it seemed like there wasn't an in-season fit, and it should be revisited during the offseason.
the in season fit should not have been a consideration for BOS. getting butler was worth sacrificing a playoff series or two because you never know if/when CHI would pull him off the market. if there was a deal on the table, BOS should have taken it.
6830. jmurph Posted: June 22, 2017 at 08:29 PM (#5481198)
My stream is way behind. What's the Kennard talk?
6831. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: June 22, 2017 at 08:29 PM (#5481199)
jmurph: the Knicks took Kennard at 8.
6832. Laser Man Posted: June 22, 2017 at 08:29 PM (#5481200)
The Knicks drafted Frank Ntilikina, not Kennard.
6833. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 22, 2017 at 08:29 PM (#5481201)
stiggles is trolling people who are taking the bait
6834. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: June 22, 2017 at 08:30 PM (#5481202)
Wait, what? My TV tells me that the Knicks took Ntilikina?
6835. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: June 22, 2017 at 08:30 PM (#5481204)
.....goddammit, STIGGLES.

e: it was a good troll, though, because it's not at all hard to believe the Knicks would do that.
6836. . . . . . . Posted: June 22, 2017 at 08:30 PM (#5481205)
Well trolled, whoever did that.
6837. jmurph Posted: June 22, 2017 at 08:30 PM (#5481206)
Aha, that makes sense.

6845. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: June 22, 2017 at 08:34 PM (#5481214)
stiggles is trolling people who are taking the bait
that's not quite fair.

my trolling targets, in order of intention:
1, people who post picks early
2, luke kennard
3, fans of terrible teams who post in this thread

6876. jmurph Posted: June 22, 2017 at 08:55 PM (#5481250)
There is literally zero chance Kennard has a good career. Zero.
Pelton's Grades on the Butler trade:

Chicago: F
Minnesota:A+

This is actually notable, because Pelton is usually pretty diplomatic and middle-ground on these things. Not this time.
6960. MHS Posted: June 22, 2017 at 10:48 PM (#5481363)
Butlers personal trainer on twitter:

0-82.worst culture in the league.I met drug dealers with better morals then their GM. He is a liar and everyone knows

One issue scouts had with Bolden is that he screams as he dribbles on the break. Opponents couldn't help but laugh.
   1480. yo la tengo (the poor man's Ron Darling) Posted: April 14, 2019 at 04:19 PM (#5831757)
When I lived in Gainesville I loved Donovan and the job he did at UF. I cannot tell at all whether he is a net plus or minus as a pro coach. What's the consensus? Is it just too hard to tell given the Westbrook effect?
   1481. . Posted: April 14, 2019 at 04:19 PM (#5831758)
Jeff Van Gundy just confused Seth Curry's sister and future wife, and Mark Jackson said, "We all look alike."
   1482. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 14, 2019 at 04:24 PM (#5831759)
getting closer to the bone:
6464. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: June 20, 2017 at 07:13 PM (#5479552)
Earvin Magic Johnson‏ @MagicJohnson 25 Jun 2015
Laker Nation: Congrats to Mitch Kupchak, Jim and Jeannie Buss on drafting, who I think is a future superstar in D'Angelo Russell!
6501. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: June 20, 2017 at 10:54 PM (#5479751)
1. As you would assume, Pelton said that Brooklyn won the trade, but he was not totally down it from the Lakers' POV, in part because he said Lopez is better than people think, citing some distance shooting and rim-protection numbers in support of that point.
it seems like lopez's value in this deal is as expiring contract, not as a player.
One last point: If this was done based on a serious, real plan to try to get LeBron James, then IMO Magic will be gone in about four years. I do not see James coming here, period.
it seems pretty obvious that this salary dump is about clearing cap space for a free agent splurge.

i'm sure you don't want to get your hopes up, but it seems like stars are aligning in preparation for 2018. plan A is obviously lebron/george/westbrook and i'm not sure it matters whether or not a plan B exists. there's a lot of smoke going up and it feels like there's about to be a major realignment, so i think it's worth taking a few risks to strike it big.
   1483. Hombre Brotani Posted: April 14, 2019 at 04:49 PM (#5831763)
Playoff P is back, everyone.
   1484. tshipman Posted: April 14, 2019 at 04:50 PM (#5831765)
When I lived in Gainesville I loved Donovan and the job he did at UF. I cannot tell at all whether he is a net plus or minus as a pro coach. What's the consensus? Is it just too hard to tell given the Westbrook effect?


Probably a plus. He gets better results out of the talent than he should. Westbrook is a polarizing and flawed player, but Donovan probably gets the most out of him that you can get. Paul George has had the best year of his career.

It's not really Donovan's fault that the team has a ceiling of high 40s wins.
   1485. I don't want to talk about Rocco Posted: April 14, 2019 at 04:55 PM (#5831766)
Had a basketball analytics guy tell me that Westbrook's season was the beginning of a serious decline. That because Westbrook plays so insanely hard his body wear and tear is seriously accelerated against other players.
   1486. yo la tengo (the poor man's Ron Darling) Posted: April 14, 2019 at 05:15 PM (#5831771)
tship - that is sort of the feeling I have had watching his teams over the years. He seems steady, players seem ready to play. It is just that Westbrook exerts SUCH a gravitational field that it is hard to see around it
   1487. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: April 14, 2019 at 05:43 PM (#5831783)
Here's how long I've been posting at BBTF: I have gone from passive Blazers fandom, to intense Blazers fandom, to pervading Blazers annoyance, to taking a 10-year-long break from the Blazers, to being sucked back in this season by Damian Lillard and crew . . . and I'd already been posting here for two years at least before that even started.

I turned 39 last week. I do believe I was 20 when I started posting here.
   1488. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 14, 2019 at 05:59 PM (#5831790)
NBA jam: 57i66135 edition

OKC: jerami grant and nerlens noel

vs.

POR: evan turner and mo harkless
   1489. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 14, 2019 at 06:00 PM (#5831791)
that was clearly a travel, right?
   1490. Hombre Brotani Posted: April 14, 2019 at 06:02 PM (#5831793)
That, sir, is NBA basketball.
   1491. Tony S Posted: April 14, 2019 at 06:09 PM (#5831796)
I know traveling hardly ever gets called in the NBA, but that one was SO egregious...why even have the rule on the books?
   1492. Hombre Brotani Posted: April 14, 2019 at 06:10 PM (#5831797)
I didn't expect Portland to play so well, banged up as they are. It's a real credit to the whole organization that they can take all these hits and just keep on ticking.
   1493. a 57i66135 with a grenade still has a grenade Posted: April 14, 2019 at 06:12 PM (#5831799)
when i think about playoffs, my nipples get hard.


i've had this on a loop for the last 30 minutes.
   1494. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: April 14, 2019 at 06:14 PM (#5831801)
I didn't expect Portland to play so well, banged up as they are. It's a real credit to the whole organization that they can take all these hits and just keep on ticking.


On the one hand, I agree. On the other, I think they got a little lucky with OKC shooting as poorly as they did from outside.
   1495. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: April 14, 2019 at 07:01 PM (#5831830)
One last point: If this was done based on a serious, real plan to try to get LeBron James, then IMO Magic will be gone in about four years. I do not see James coming here, period.

it seems pretty obvious that this salary dump is about clearing cap space for a free agent splurge.

i'm sure you don't want to get your hopes up, but it seems like stars are aligning in preparation for 2018. plan A is obviously lebron/george/westbrook and i'm not sure it matters whether or not a plan B exists. there's a lot of smoke going up and it feels like there's about to be a major realignment, so i think it's worth taking a few risks to strike it big.


It wasn't about "not getting my hopes up." As I said at the time, I thought that James would prioritize immediate championship contention, like he did the other two times he changed teams, especially given his age. I was wrong about that, as it turned out. He instead prioritized exploring his interest in show biz and living in SoCal. The retrospective narrative in LakerLand is that they had an under-the-table/tampered understanding with Paul George, who then changed his mind after finding out he liked it in OKC, and James, even after finding that out, came here anyway.

And, since we are walking down memory lane about FA predictions, I will note that I was the first person here to say that Dwight Howard would bail on the Lakers BITD.

Plan B, I think, is Jimmy Butler and/or one more try at Anthony Davis. Rumors are that even though Lue is tight with James and Juwan Howard is a college buddy of Pelinka's, Monty Williams is the "leading candidate." Williams ofc coached Davis in NO and is an assistant for Butler's team now.

   1496. Hombre Brotani Posted: April 14, 2019 at 07:16 PM (#5831837)
This third game is going to be so ugly.
   1497. SteveF Posted: April 14, 2019 at 07:17 PM (#5831839)
I'll be surprised if the Bucks don't win by 30.
   1498. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: April 14, 2019 at 07:21 PM (#5831840)
I like seeing Kareem in Milwaukee. I hope the Big O is also in the house.
   1499. Hombre Brotani Posted: April 14, 2019 at 07:54 PM (#5831844)
I'd give Maker a F1 on that.
   1500. tshipman Posted: April 14, 2019 at 08:46 PM (#5831853)
I didn't realize Blake was hurt ... yikes.

Detroit is not a good team without Blake.
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