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OT - 2018 NBA Summer Potpourri (finals, draft, free agency, Colangelo dragging)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, none of whom can be bothered to curate their own thread to avoid detracting from what this site is really about:  complaints about mayonnaise.


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   301. JC in DC Posted: June 08, 2018 at 08:18 PM (#5688628)
Flip
   302. JC in DC Posted: June 08, 2018 at 08:46 PM (#5688643)
I'm cool with waiting.
   303. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: June 08, 2018 at 09:05 PM (#5688655)
It ain't over til it's over, so I'm focusing on this game.

I think GS should double LeBron whenever he starts backing down in the post. He's too effective getting a shot and/or foul, and him kicking it out for a 3 hasn't been effective for the Cavs.
   304. JC in DC Posted: June 08, 2018 at 09:08 PM (#5688656)
Meh. Him backing them down doesn't hurt them. They just have to do what they do on offense, and all will be well. Let LBJ get his 40. Cleveland can't stop them, and trading his twos for their threes works in their favor.
   305. Tin Angel Posted: June 08, 2018 at 09:22 PM (#5688664)
That was a foul. As usual the NBA is trying to screw the Warriors over.
   306. JJ1986 Posted: June 08, 2018 at 09:29 PM (#5688668)
Leaving Warriors open by 20 feet behind the arc is not a winning strategy.
   307. smileyy Posted: June 08, 2018 at 09:35 PM (#5688669)
So, Durant or Curry for MVP? This game will probably decide that.
   308. JC in DC Posted: June 08, 2018 at 09:44 PM (#5688671)
IMJ, it's been Durant, regardless what happens tonight.
   309. JJ1986 Posted: June 08, 2018 at 09:46 PM (#5688675)
I do not get the David West minutes.
   310. JC in DC Posted: June 08, 2018 at 09:49 PM (#5688677)
Wow, that run with Durant on the bench, QED.
   311. JC in DC Posted: June 08, 2018 at 09:49 PM (#5688678)
I agree, JJ. I was thinking the same thing. I hate what he brings at this point.
   312. JJ1986 Posted: June 08, 2018 at 09:52 PM (#5688679)
I hate what he brings at this point.
He's not helping with the defensive rebounding or rim protection. He has some value on offense, but they almost always have better options on that end. They need to either go small or go with an athletic guy at center.
   313. tshipman Posted: June 08, 2018 at 09:55 PM (#5688681)
Van Gundy and Jackson are not even pretending to be objective now.
   314. tshipman Posted: June 08, 2018 at 09:59 PM (#5688686)
LeBron with a CLEAR offensive foul, on the elbow to Klay's face, and Van Gundy and Jackson whine for a foul for 2 min.
   315. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:04 PM (#5688689)
This is from earlier this half, so not sure the update. But still.

Kevin Love is now 17 of 58 on shots off passes from LeBron in this series. 29%.
   316. KronicFatigue Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:09 PM (#5688690)
LeBron backing the ball in the post is physically taxing, right? So if the offensive value is similar to other options, it seems smart to let him keep doing that and tiring himself out
   317. jmurph Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:09 PM (#5688691)
Van Gundy and Jackson are not even pretending to be objective now.

I have also found this annoying.
   318. jmurph Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:10 PM (#5688692)
I thought people were overdoing this earlier in the series, but LeBron is just giving garbage effort on defense tonight.
   319. PJ Martinez Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:11 PM (#5688693)
I thought they stopped calling that sweeping thing (which Durant just did, getting a call against Green)? That's not foul-worthy.
   320. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:13 PM (#5688696)
McGee is effective.
   321. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:14 PM (#5688697)
reposting from last page:
@Patrick_Fenelon
You know what’s bad for the nba? The finals only lasting 4 games. Ratings don’t mean #### when that happens. The short series last year is why cap shrunk. Seriously...this is a problem
   322. jmurph Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:16 PM (#5688698)
As others pointed out, the conference finals each going 7 helped a lot with that.
   323. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:16 PM (#5688699)
I thought people were overdoing this earlier in the series, but LeBron is just giving garbage effort on defense tonight.


He should probably rest more, but I assume it is his idea to play 98% of the minutes.
   324. JC in DC Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:18 PM (#5688700)
Yeah, that's a good point, STIGGLES.

I don't mind van Gundy and Jackson giving LBJ love. He's earned it, and his teammates blow. But, yeah, jmurph, LBJ is inactive on defense tonight. He's been guarding McGee when he's in (to conserve energy, of course), but he's not involved beyond that and is reacting late. OTOH, his teammates suck.
   325. tshipman Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:19 PM (#5688701)
I thought they stopped calling that sweeping thing (which Durant just did, getting a call against Green)? That's not foul-worthy.


It's no longer a shooting foul. Durant got FTs because the Cavs were in the penalty.

LeBron backing the ball in the post is physically taxing, right? So if the offensive value is similar to other options, it seems smart to let him keep doing that and tiring himself out


Kobe, at least, was saying that the post is less tiring than driving. He suggested it as a way to conserve energy. The problem is that the Cavs can't really execute a post entry, so unclear how tiring various options are.
   326. jmurph Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:20 PM (#5688702)
OTOH, his teammates suck.

Yeah at the end of the day, LeBron's d isn't changing this series, it just really stood out to me tonight. He's letting guys who aren't real threats get good looks.

McGee is effective.

They're +17 in his 11 minutes! Hilarious.
   327. tshipman Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:23 PM (#5688704)
What kind of odds would you have to get to bet that LeBron comes back to Cleveland after this series?

10-1?
20-1?
50-1?
   328. jmurph Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:33 PM (#5688707)
What kind of odds would you have to get to bet that LeBron comes back to Cleveland after this series?

I still don't really see a ready made fit in the East, and he'd be crazy to go West. I'm leaning towards him staying in Cleveland at this point. But obviously I know nothing.
   329. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:33 PM (#5688708)
McGee for mvp
   330. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:35 PM (#5688710)
What kind of odds would you have to get to bet that LeBron comes back to Cleveland after this series?

Immediately after the last game of this series, it'll be longer odds than after he sleeps on it.
Say, 20-1 right after.
   331. yo la tengo Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:36 PM (#5688711)
The Cavs do not look like a team ready to overcome this deficit. This second half might be really boring
   332. PJ Martinez Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:42 PM (#5688713)
"JaVale McGee and Shaun Livingston are a combined 29-for-35 in the NBA Finals. Jeff Green and Kyle Korver are a combined 8-for-36."
   333. PJ Martinez Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:43 PM (#5688714)
I don't know where James is going to go, but it's hard to imagine him staying with this team.
   334. yo la tengo Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:48 PM (#5688716)
LBJ can really really pass the basketball. Holy cow
   335. jmurph Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:51 PM (#5688719)
So do you put the starters back in to celebrate on court at the end, or are we going to get, like, Zaza dribbling out the clock?
   336. yo la tengo Posted: June 08, 2018 at 10:57 PM (#5688720)
Mark Jackson with the no mas comparison. This game is over, over,over
   337. jmurph Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:01 PM (#5688722)
Everyone agrees LeBron/Harden/Paul is a terrible allocation of talent, right, or am I crazy?
   338. KronicFatigue Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:03 PM (#5688723)
Could LeBron redefine his game to be a pass first type of player that focuses on defense?
   339. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:04 PM (#5688724)
Enjoy your tacos. It's absinthe time! I don't care if I'm entitled and morally reprehensible. It's absinthe time, yo.
   340. Tin Angel Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:08 PM (#5688726)
James Dolan, if you are reading this- please hire Mark Jackson.
   341. PJ Martinez Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:10 PM (#5688728)
Man, this is boring. Even if Houston would have crushed the Cavs as easily (not a given, but a possibility), at least there would have been a little bit of drama in seeing Paul and Harden shed their reputations for choking.
   342. tshipman Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:11 PM (#5688730)
Larry Nance is the last guy to get the memo that the game is over. Good for him. He's a winner.
   343. yo la tengo Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:12 PM (#5688733)
These apologetic ads by Facebook and Wells Fargo are not terribly convincing
   344. PJ Martinez Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:15 PM (#5688735)
I think Curry gets MVP.

Edit: Durant has a triple double now? Hmmmm.
   345. sardonic Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:16 PM (#5688736)
I'm a huge homer, but I hope Curry gets the Finals MVP. There's a narrative that he's not a playoff player, but I think that's been overblown, and I'd like to see him get one just to get that off his back.
   346. Tin Angel Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:19 PM (#5688738)
Man, STFU Jackson. They are down by 25 with five minutes left and he's exhausted.
   347. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:24 PM (#5688742)
I think co-MVP is right. Curry has been better over the whole series but KD's perfect game 3 needs to be recognized. In the big picture, who cares? This team is now in the pantheon.

Man, STFU up Jackson.

That should just be everyone's default.
   348. KronicFatigue Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:25 PM (#5688744)
I just realized that these "hey Google" ads he been triggering my Google home. I couldn't figure out why the sound was going out on my TV when the commercial airs
   349. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:26 PM (#5688745)
Shooty's drink menu tonight:

1. Bulleit bourbon
2. Kilkerran single malt
3. Glenrothes single malt
4. Czech absinthe

I AM LIT AND IT IS GLORIOUS!
   350. JJ1986 Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:29 PM (#5688746)
Larry Nance with the 0 net rating in a game they lost by 23.
   351. PJ Martinez Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:32 PM (#5688749)
@JoelEmbiid

Trust The Process!!!! Find a new slant @KingJames

Edit: More recruiting.
   352. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:33 PM (#5688750)
LeBron James finishes w/ 23 points & 13 shots.
-- His fewest points in an elimination game since Game 6 loss to Mavericks in 2011 Finals (21).
-- Also, his fewest shots ever in an elimination game (Previous: 15 in 2011 Game 6 vs. Mavericks).
-- Only 3 shots in 2nd half


Cavs cumulative point differential...
Regular season: +77
Playoffs: -38
Total: +39 (+0.4 per game)
   353. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:33 PM (#5688751)
Well, that was anticlimactic.
   354. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:33 PM (#5688752)
MARK JACKSON: lebron james leaving the court, no congratulations.
JEFF VAN GUNDY: but he congratulated every single player on the court.
MARK JACKSON: great point.


Go away
   355. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:36 PM (#5688756)
How ####### lucky is Cleveland to have drafted LeBron and then had him rejoin a shitty team?

Last 20 years of Cavs basketball:

Without LeBron (9 seasons), the most they've won is 33 games and they never made the playoffs.

With LeBron (11 seasons), 9 first round playoff wins, 5 finals appearances, and a title.

I, for one, would not begrudge LeBron even in the slightest for leaving to join a team that would be good without him, and think if he joins Philly or Boston they become co-favorites for next year.
   356. Tin Angel Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:37 PM (#5688759)
That Durant commercial was pretty cool.
   357. sardonic Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:39 PM (#5688763)
Shooty's drink menu tonight:

1. Bulleit bourbon
2. Kilkerran single malt
3. Glenrothes single malt
4. Czech absinthe

I AM LIT AND IT IS GLORIOUS!


I poured some of my limited stash of St. George Single Malt. Made in Alameda, just like the champs.

It's been another fun year of the thread, gents, looking forward to the draft and the offseason.
   358. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:43 PM (#5688768)
I know this makes me a bad person, but this is still awesome. Maybe it never happens again so you gotta enjoy it. You never know when the good times will end in sports.
   359. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:44 PM (#5688772)
I poured some of my limited stash of St. George Single Malt. Made in Alameda, just like the champs.

Man, I tried some single malt from Salinas and it was the worst thing I've ever tasted. Hopefully your Alameda brew is much better!
   360. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:46 PM (#5688773)
All right KD. The best revenge is a life well lived. Just be happy and it will drive your enemies nuts.
   361. sardonic Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:46 PM (#5688774)
It's pretty good stuff Shooty, if we ever cross paths I'll pour you some!
   362. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:47 PM (#5688777)
It's pretty good stuff Shooty, if we ever cross paths I'll pour you some!

Well, I'll be in the Bay in 10 days!
   363. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:52 PM (#5688780)
I thought people were overdoing this earlier in the series, but LeBron is just giving garbage effort on defense tonight.


I said before the series that I could see him mailing in Game 4 if they were down 3-0. I personally don't really accountable for it, although YMMV. Adding Durant to a team as good as Golden State already was..etc etc etc.
   364. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 08, 2018 at 11:58 PM (#5688782)
C'mon Chuck, this wasn't LeBron's fault.
   365. tshipman Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:01 AM (#5688784)
Adding Durant to a team as good as Golden State already was..etc etc etc.


Warriors are noticeably worse than they were last year, both in the regular season and the playoffs. They were fortunate to get by Houston last round.

Saying all of this really lets the decision makers of the Cavs off the hook.

The Cavs have gotten so, so much worse since 2016. They stuck with all of "LeBron's guys" even when it was clear that they were headed towards downswings (JR, TT). Dan Gilbert let David Griffin walk out the door at a time in which Kyrie demanded a trade, so they never got a chance to smooth it over. Ty Lue over and over again has just neglected defense to such a ridiculous extent that the team frankly has no idea what they're doing out there.

In this year's finals, the Cavs completely changed their defensive principles twice. In games 1 and 2 they decided to switch everything. Then in games 3 and 4, they decided to trap. Predictably, when you go to defenses that you've not used all year, and not practiced, you fail.

Most of this is not on LeBron--he was asked to do the impossible, and he carried a ridiculous load on offense. But the Cavs' defensive culture is awful, and LeBron is slightly to blame, to the extent to which LeBron enables that culture.

The Warriors were beatable this year. Morey saw it. Dan Gilbert and the Cavs cared more about winning some kind of battle of public opinion with Lebron.
   366. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:03 AM (#5688785)
I think the only way he stays, like I said, is if they can get a second star, so it seems unlikely. It is hard for me to see Boston happening, although it was 100% predictable that someone from The Ringer would write it up as in fact has happened. It is also hard for me to the see the Lakers as I have said, although Marc Stein had this up today:


"Don't discount the idea that James could try to bring Paul with him to a team that can afford two superstars, such as the Lakers, because he and Paul really are that close," Stein wrote.

James holds a $35.6 million option with Cleveland for the 2018-19 season, per Spotrac. Paul, meanwhile, will be an unrestricted free agent following his first season with the Houston Rockets.


I still think he will try to get to Houston.

   367. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:08 AM (#5688787)
I wish I had a job where we poured champagne over each other for achieving something.
   368. PJ Martinez Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:13 AM (#5688788)
"Expect the Cavs to explore what they might get for a package of Love and the No. 8 pick around the draft in a last-ditch attempt to convince LeBron to stay."

Small silver lining to the utter lack of drama: Lowe pre-wrote his post-mortem.
   369. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:15 AM (#5688790)
Saying all of this really lets the decision makers of the Cavs off the hook.


I wasn't saying anything about the Cavs' decision-makers, and sure, I think it is obvious that James influenced roster construction too much in Cleveland.

As to Golden State, yeah, sure maybe they lose to Houston if Paul doesn't get hurt. But maybe they don't, and Golden State has a stronger, younger, deeper star core than Houston does, so they were a better bet all along, even though Houston had a better regular season. And, frankly, I think that Golden State could have won 63-68 games if they had wanted to. So, yeah, GS is "beatable" if you can match them with a star core that is as good and as deep as theirs is. No one can, so they won the title again.

As to Cleveland's defense, Lue does not strike me as being an especially good coach, but again, I think coaching is overrated in the NBA. Cleveland made the Finals again and got waxed by Golden State again. Maybe they go 49-33 instead of 43-39 with a better coach, but I think we pretty much end up in the same place. The NBA is a stars' league, and Golden State has the most star power.
   370. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:16 AM (#5688791)
Brian Windhorst with the LeBron excuses!
   371. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:19 AM (#5688792)
Klay is a fun dude.
   372. Howie Menckel Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:22 AM (#5688793)
and Bobby seriously is on the inside (and a good dude)

Bobby Marks
‏Verified account @BobbyMarks42
10m10 minutes ago

Pretty simple when it comes down to LeBron: Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers. Everything else comes down to 1 question: Would Dan Gilbert faciliatate a trade to accommodate LeBron to a team that doesn’t have cap space?
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   373. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:23 AM (#5688794)
Chuck and Dray together, not coming to blows.
   374. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:32 AM (#5688797)
@JoelEmbiid

Trust The Process!!!! Find a new slant @KingJames
lebron kinda tipped his decision back in december.
I still think he will try to get to Houston.

which makes the potential for a clint capela offer sheet so interesting.
"Expect the Cavs to explore what they might get for a package of Love and the No. 8 pick around the draft in a last-ditch attempt to convince LeBron to stay."

those two items do not make any sense as a package. i guess maybe for mike conley.
Pretty simple when it comes down to LeBron: Cleveland, Philly or the Lakers. Everything else comes down to 1 question: Would Dan Gilbert faciliatate a trade to accommodate LeBron to a team that doesn’t have cap space?
he already did it once and they were on significantly worse terms at that point.
   375. Rob_Wood Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:33 AM (#5688798)
Just got home from a watch party.

Congrats Warriors and all Warrior fans!

See you all at the parade.

   376. tshipman Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:33 AM (#5688799)
Forward Kevin Love yelled out, “There he goes! There he goes.” Sharpshooter Kyle Korver gave a look of utmost sadness. Guard J.R. Smith yelled out, “Hope you enjoy your new [expletive] squad now.” And before James hit the private jet door, new Lakers teammate Lonzo Ball hugged him and said, “It's about that time”

   377. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:51 AM (#5688801)
and Bobby seriously is on the inside (and a good dude)


That's pure speculation. He's not in the rumor business.

---

Windhorts
LeBron James suffered a significant right hand injury after Game 1 when he punched a black board in the locker room, sources told me & @mcten. He had 2 MRIs & has been wearing a soft cast. LeBron not using injury as an excuse but kept quiet to prevent Warriors from knowing.

LeBron Shooting (with a broken hand after game 1) controlling for shot quality:
Game 1 - 13.8% above average
Game 2 - 5.2% above average
Game 3 - 0.7% above average
Game 4 - 1.6% below average

Source: @SecondSpectrum


Not the difference but explains some things.
   378. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:52 AM (#5688802)
With his postseason minutes this year, LeBron has now played more than 10,000 more minutes than any other player since he entered the league (2003)...
1. LeBron James: 54,348
2. Joe Johnson: 44,164
   379. sardonic Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:59 AM (#5688803)
Wow, if that's true, I'm not sure if that actually makes him look better. They were very much in Game 1, and could have pushed the Warriors more with a 100% James. Tough way for him to potentially end his Cleveland tenure -- it felt like in the ECF and in Game 1 he was at the peak of his very considerable powers.
   380. Booey Posted: June 09, 2018 at 01:01 AM (#5688804)
Congrats to the Warriors and their fans. Enjoy it. :-)
   381. smileyy Posted: June 09, 2018 at 01:01 AM (#5688805)
I can't wait for LeBron to retire and tell the real story of Game 1.
   382. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: June 09, 2018 at 01:09 AM (#5688808)
Wow, if that's true, I'm not sure if that actually makes him look better.
If true, it makes him look much worse, of course. In reality it's probably way overblown.

None of the individual things mentioned upthread really matters, as the Cavs needed absolutely everything to go right to win this series.
   383. Tin Angel Posted: June 09, 2018 at 01:27 AM (#5688809)
Since it was a debate whether the Warriors would have won without Durant...would the Cavs have won with Irving?
   384. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 09, 2018 at 02:19 AM (#5688811)
Since it was a debate whether the Warriors would have won without Durant...would the Cavs have won with Irving?
I'm gonna say no. They had Irving last season, and got stomped.
   385. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 09, 2018 at 04:24 AM (#5688816)
would the Cavs have won with Irving?


No.
   386. JC in DC Posted: June 09, 2018 at 06:24 AM (#5688817)
His hand is not broken. I really like LeBron, but this kind of stuff makes me hate him. His hand is not broken. His roster is, however.
   387. jmurph Posted: June 09, 2018 at 07:48 AM (#5688824)
"Expect the Cavs to explore what they might get for a package of Love and the No. 8 pick around the draft in a last-ditch attempt to convince LeBron to stay."

Love is a weird player, as a trade asset. I'm not sure, as stiggles points out above, this makes sense as a package. $50 million for two years of Love doesn't honestly strike me as a good deal for a team that's trying to win (to trade for, I mean- he's fine with LeBron). Is the 8th pick a sweetener? And who does that combo make sense for? The Wizards, maybe? Portland? I don't really see it. He's been pretty ineffective two Finals in a row, and he was bad against Boston last round. He's still a good offensive player but is useless on defense, and every smart team is going to go at him in a long series.
   388. jmurph Posted: June 09, 2018 at 07:49 AM (#5688827)
would the Cavs have won with Irving?

I get the point of this and everything- it looks to have been a pretty terrible trade for Cleveland- but all of this talk (mostly during the broadcast and online) is ignoring the slight problem that Kyrie has a bad knee and wouldn't be playing right now anyway.
   389. Thok Posted: June 09, 2018 at 08:16 AM (#5688831)
As somebody who's currently interested in shopping out the rights to Deandre Jordan's player option, Kevin Love doesn't seem like that bad of a return. (I'd expect to have to toss in one of my first rounders as part of that deal, rather than getting the Cavs pick at 8.)
   390. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 09, 2018 at 08:18 AM (#5688832)
Love is a weird player, as a trade asset. I'm not sure, as stiggles points out above, this makes sense as a package. $50 million for two years of Love doesn't honestly strike me as a good deal for a team that's trying to win (to trade for, I mean- he's fine with LeBron). Is the 8th pick a sweetener? And who does that combo make sense for? The Wizards, maybe? Portland? I don't really see it. He's been pretty ineffective two Finals in a row, and he was bad against Boston last round. He's still a good offensive player but is useless on defense, and every smart team is going to go at him in a long series.

Butler + Dieng.
   391. PJ Martinez Posted: June 09, 2018 at 08:47 AM (#5688835)
The perfect Hot Take trade:

LeBron opts in
C's send Kyrie to Lakers
C's send Morris to T-Wolves
C's send Yabusele+Nader to Cavs
T-Wolves send Pick 20 to C's
T-Wolves send Aldrich to Cavs
Lakers send Lonzo to Cavs
Cavs send LeBron to C's
   392. . Posted: June 09, 2018 at 10:23 AM (#5688853)
Really uncompelling season -- perhaps the least compelling since the pre-2003 dark ages. In retrospect, the 2016 cap spike really hurt the league.
   393. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: June 09, 2018 at 10:43 AM (#5688859)
Really uncompelling season -- perhaps the least compelling since the pre-2003 dark ages. In retrospect, the 2016 cap spike really hurt the league.

Would we be saying the same thing if Chris Paul doesn't get hurt? If the Rockets win that series, do people look at Durant a bit differently than they do right now? It would have been a nice narrative for Paul and his legacy.
   394. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:05 PM (#5688879)
I would not. The fact that we're watching the same teams play for the fourth fourth season in a row is only compelling if these are two even teams. They are not! One team has taken a hundred steps forward since they split the first two series, the other team has taken a hundred steps backwards. It was compelling to see the Cavs make the Finals, and it was compelling to see the Warriors have to claw through the Rockets, but overall the season was a real dog. Weak regular season, weak playoffs, weak Finals. Only the Conference Finals were any good, and we still ended up with the same two teams we've had for the previous three years.
   395. Willard Baseball Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:09 PM (#5688880)
As the guy drafting for Memphis, I would be interested in swapping Conley for Love/8th pick if that is something the Shadow Cavs would consider.
   396. Booey Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:11 PM (#5688881)
Really uncompelling season


I was pleasantly surprised with this season as a Jazz fan (up through the 2nd round of the playoffs anyway), but were I a casual or neutral NBA fan, I would lean towards agreement. I mean, there were enough unexpected twists and turns in the road to the Finals this year to keep it interesting...but in the end, yeah, it just ended up in the same place it always does, with the Warriors beating the Cavs yet again, this time in a series so mismatched you could see it from a mile away. The conference finalists were the exact 4 teams most people predicted back in October (early October, before the Hayward injury), and it was basically a lock the entire season that the Rockets and Warriors were going to meet up in the WCF and the winner was taking home the title.

On average I'd rank this season higher than last, but still below most*.

* Again, looking at the NBA as a whole. As a Jazz fan, the Donovan Mitchell experience gave me some of my best basketball memories in years.
   397. Tin Angel Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5688886)
Really uncompelling season


Seems to really hinge on the Hayward, Irving, and Paul injuries. If those don't happen we have the Irving/LeBron narrative in the Conference Finals, Houston (possibly) ending the Warriors run, and a Finals of either Warriors vs. Celtics or Rockets vs. Celtics/Cavs, all of which are more compelling than what we actually got.
   398. nick swisher hygiene Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5688887)
386--This. I hope Windhorst gets a nice dinner at least....

& I'm also on Team Uncompelling. (Oh #### off spellcheck it's a word.)
   399. nick swisher hygiene Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:28 PM (#5688888)
has anybody taken the godforsaken Thunder yet?
   400. KronicFatigue Posted: June 09, 2018 at 12:29 PM (#5688889)
I only started paying attention a couple of months ago, so my opinion shouldn't count but I thought there were almost enough narratives to fill a season.

It starts with: the only one who can stop the warriors are the warriors. Will injuries, coasting, and/or Durant buying less into the system cost them?.

Then, it's "when these three guys are all healthy, the rockets don't lose. Could they actually be better than the warriors?"

Boston overcoming injuries, Philly looking legit (both with and without embiid), the Spurs being a huge unknown, Toronto having a strong regular season but still with the playoffs stigma. That feels like enough teams with narratives... Or at least the most we can expect with the current situation of tanking and lopsided conferences.

Just because everyone predicted this finals outcome at the beginning of the season doesn't mean it was ALWAYS a forgone conclusion. Pacers and Houston were pretty darn close to blowing up that narrative
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