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Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: October 01, 2021 at 06:41 PM | 370 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: October 01, 2021 at 06:42 PM (#6042899)
Knew I should've done this three weeks ago.

Link's to a story about this week's big homecoming...
   2. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 03, 2021 at 12:41 AM (#6043185)
Urban Meyer could have used some quarantining.
   3. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 03, 2021 at 02:22 PM (#6043244)
just heard a fred barnett reference on CBS.
   4. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 03, 2021 at 03:53 PM (#6043269)
i'm actually surprised the eagles aren't worse.
   5. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: October 03, 2021 at 08:30 PM (#6043405)
It seems the Lions aren't any good this season. Oh well. Maybe next year.
   6. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: October 03, 2021 at 08:48 PM (#6043409)
The 49ers have some good pieces but I think this is a transition year. I don't think Jimmy G is good enough to win a Super Bowl and he's not durable enough to be the guy for a team that wants to compete on a regular basis.

The 49ers are good enough that they won't ruin Lance's confidence. The 49ers brass is smarter than me but I'd go with Lance even if it makes them worse in the short run. Jimmy G isn't the guy.
   7. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: October 11, 2021 at 11:21 PM (#6045698)
Gruden talk goes *here*.
   8. Miserable, Non-Binary Candy is all we deserve CoB Posted: October 12, 2021 at 12:30 AM (#6045705)
You shut your "lips the size of Michellin tires”, you “clueless anti football pussy”!
Am I doing Gruden talk right?
   9. smileyy Posted: October 12, 2021 at 12:37 AM (#6045706)
I'm curious to see if there's any lasting damage to Gruden. I hope there is.
   10. Miserable, Non-Binary Candy is all we deserve CoB Posted: October 12, 2021 at 01:07 AM (#6045711)
How could there not be?
He checked just about every "bigotry bingo check box" there is ...
   11. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 12, 2021 at 01:14 AM (#6045713)
You shut your "lips the size of Michellin tires”, you “clueless anti football pussy”!
Am I doing Gruden talk right?
needs more gay slurs:
In the emails, Gruden called the league’s commissioner, Roger Goodell, a “faggot” and a “clueless anti football pussy” and said that Goodell should not have pressured Jeff Fisher, then the coach of the Rams, to draft “queers,” a reference to Michael Sam, a gay player chosen by the team in 2014.

   12. Miserable, Non-Binary Candy is all we deserve CoB Posted: October 12, 2021 at 02:01 AM (#6045720)
   13. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 12, 2021 at 11:55 AM (#6045793)
That's the joke ...
\"#####\" is a misogynistic slur, not a gay slur.

anyway, the thing i find oddest about this is that gruden made any attempt at all to hide it. if you look at the underlying substance, what's actually there? gruden's creepy horny, he's racially "insensitive", he's homophobic...that makes him an average united states senator.


sure, he wouldn't have been able to do monday night football anymore, but he'd have made a lot of money doing a podcast for shitty little white men everywhere on breitbart sports.


   14. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: October 12, 2021 at 12:41 PM (#6045807)
Suddenly, Urban Meyer does not look as bad.
   15. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 12, 2021 at 01:12 PM (#6045826)
Well, one big problem Meyer has is that he's a much worse coach than Gruden.
   16. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 12, 2021 at 02:17 PM (#6045836)
this isn’t just about Gruden’s emails or words. It’s what they indicate about the culture he fostered. Despite coaching a diverse team, Gruden repeatedly expressed that he doesn’t believe Black people, gay people, and women are qualified for jobs in the NFL.
...
Between his tenures with the Raiders and Buccaneers, he has given snaps to only one Black quarterback: Shaun King, who was already on the Tampa Bay roster when Gruden was hired in 2002. None of Gruden’s past eight offensive or defensive coordinators have been Black. His only Black coordinator was Willie Shaw, who worked as the Raiders DC in 1998 and 1999. When Shaw was abruptly fired in 1999 after helping the Raiders go from 28th to 16th in points allowed in two seasons, Gruden and Allen tried to spin it as allowing Shaw to pursue head-coaching opportunities. Shaw never became a head coach; the Raiders promoted a white assistant, Chuck Bresnahan, to replace him.
...
this year, a record 12 women are on NFL coaching staffs. None are on the Raiders
...
the story is more than just his emails. It’s the role he played in making the NFL more exclusionary, and the role others played in letting that happen.
link
   17. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 12, 2021 at 03:31 PM (#6045848)

ESPN @espn
"Earlier this evening, The New York Times uncovered a trail of emails dating back seven years, in which Jon Gruden had a clean sweep of offending NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, women, gays, minorities, all sorts of people."

— @AdamSchefter with an update on Jon Gruden
Emma Baccellieri @emmabaccellieri
I'm sorry but I'm losing it at "a clean sweep of offending NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, women, gays, minorities." You know, the Core Four, the Mount Rushmore of people to offend.
   18. KronicFatigue Posted: October 13, 2021 at 01:51 PM (#6046100)
I'm curious to see if there's any lasting damage to Gruden. I hope there is.


I can't imagine a scenario where any team (or network) would hire him again. Why risk pissing off the NFL when there are similar candidates for a position?
   19. McCoy Posted: October 13, 2021 at 08:03 PM (#6046174)
Gruden didn't want to coach anyway. Davis was the only one to get him to come back and it did so by backing the money truck up to Gruden's house.
   20. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 15, 2021 at 12:03 PM (#6046655)
Buried in the salacious details of Gruden’s emails, was an email from Allen to right-wing host Mark Levin, whose radio show averages 11 million listeners per week. Years before Levin became one of the hosts who stoked the Capitol siege

Yahoo reports:
In a later email unrelated to Gruden, from 2018, Allen told conservative talk show host Mark Levin that, “remember 90%+ of NFL players have never considered kneeling. The 10% of the players and owners are the issue (see [Eagles owner] Jeff Lurie & 49ers owner).”

“Good points, will hit some of this now,” Levin responded, presumably referring to his show.

“Thanks,” Allen wrote back. “This is so ridiculous it’s embarrassing.”


there was no way to definitively know if the NFL colluded against Black protesters, but there are a reported 10 million reasons why the NFL settled a collusion case with Kaepernick and Eric Reid. The only way we could know for sure is if the NFL released all 650,000 of those emails, which may be why the NFL refuses to do so.

   21. Nasty Nate Posted: October 19, 2021 at 12:47 PM (#6047439)
Exciting finish to the Bills-Titans game last night. But I thought it was a terrible decision in that situation to go for it with a QB sneak. Either kick the FG or try a play that could also potentially get a touchdown. Getting the first down at best there is just not valuable enough.
   22. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 19, 2021 at 12:59 PM (#6047449)
That's a good point. Even if Allen picks up that first down, the Bills have to use a timeout there, and a field goal attempt remains the likeliest outcome.
   23. SoSH U at work Posted: October 19, 2021 at 01:42 PM (#6047467)
I was thinking the same thing as it happened. I liked going for it, but not with the sneak.
   24. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: October 19, 2021 at 02:38 PM (#6047488)
Seems as good a place as any: what is the reasoning behind the "ineligible man downfield" penalty?
   25. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 19, 2021 at 02:55 PM (#6047494)
My sense is that you don't want to trick the defense into covering a lot of guys who aren't eligible to catch a pass anyway. I don't know if that's the primary reason behind the rule, but it's always been my assumption.
   26. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 19, 2021 at 03:30 PM (#6047500)
Well, one big problem Meyer has is that he's a much worse coach than Gruden.

Small sample size, no?
   27. JJ1986 Posted: November 21, 2021 at 01:11 PM (#6053851)
According to the NFL, it's still Veteran's Day on November 21.
   28. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: November 21, 2021 at 02:25 PM (#6053862)
I don't think Jimmy G is good enough to win a Super Bowl and he's not durable enough to be the guy for a team that wants to compete on a regular basis.

The 49ers are good enough that they won't ruin Lance's confidence. The 49ers brass is smarter than me but I'd go with Lance even if it makes them worse in the short run. Jimmy G isn't the guy.


Garoppolo was 5th(!) in the NFL in QB DVOA going into today. Ahead of Rodgers, Mahomes, Stafford or Wilson.
   29. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: November 25, 2021 at 03:41 PM (#6054639)
it would have been so much funnier if CHI missed that kick again.
   30. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: November 27, 2021 at 10:17 AM (#6054775)
I know it's not news, but I just noticed that Tomlin is about to match Cowher for games/years coached for the Steelers. It seems they've had similar amounts of success as well.
   31. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: December 23, 2021 at 11:28 PM (#6058565)
Garoppolo was 5th(!) in the NFL in QB DVOA going into today. Ahead of Rodgers, Mahomes, Stafford or Wilson.

Jimmy G was awful against the Titans. In addition, it is clear that Shanahan doesn't really trust him when he has a chance to score points if it requires Jimmy G to throw the ball multiple times. They were up 10 points and had the ball with less than a minute in the first half and they decided to just run out the clock.
   32. KronicFatigue Posted: December 24, 2021 at 05:12 PM (#6058598)
Oooh, I didn't see this thread a couple of weeks ago, when I watched my first (non Superbowl) game in 5ish years. I had heard that coaches have gotten smarter, but the Vikings vs Steelers Thursday night game that I accidentally watched at a bar blew my mind. The Vikings went up huge in the first half, and the Steelers were slowly catching up. The problem was, it was too slowly.

Steelers were down 16 with 11 minutes left in the game. So, in a perfect world, they'd need 2 tds and 2 2PC just to tie, or alternatively, 3 scoring drives. Yet, their drive looks like this:

1st and 10 = 3 yard run
2nd and 7 = 6 yard run
3rd and 1 = -2 yard run
4th and 3 = delay of game
4th and 8 = punt.

The drive took 2 minutes so about 18% of the time remaining in the game.

The 3rd and 1 run is justifiable, but everything else screams of bad clock management. By punting the ball away, the steelers are expecting to stop the Vikings TWICE, score 2 tds and 2 2pc all in 9 minutes. Feels impossible. Until....

5:08 3rd and 4 on their own 39: Vikings throw an INT on a short slant route.

The play by play I'm currently looking at isn't showing time outs, so let's presume Pitt had all 3. If Vikings kneel on that 3rd and 4, Pitt would have 2 timeouts and 5 minutes left. Again, to score 2 8pt TD's. All the Vikings would have to do is successfully punt and recover onside kicks to make that impossible.

Unfortunately, some Pitt WR started gloating on a 1st down and wasted time when they should have been spiking the ball. That was the post game narrative about time management when Pitt ran out of time on their final drive. Not any of the coaching/playing calling decisions.

I could not imagine rooting for a team that loses b/c of really dumb time management.
   33. JJ1986 Posted: January 08, 2022 at 07:11 PM (#6060264)
I am not a traditionalist about many things in sports but I really do not like an outside linebacker wearing number 24.
   34. SoSH U at work Posted: January 08, 2022 at 07:33 PM (#6060266)

I am not a traditionalist about many things in sports but I really do not like an outside linebacker wearing number 24.


They wear 10.
   35. Howie Menckel Posted: January 08, 2022 at 08:00 PM (#6060267)
I could not imagine rooting for a team that loses b/c of really dumb time management.


in that vein: 21-20 game in Denver today, Broncos had 2nd and 8 at midfield with 10 minutes to play - and called a timeout rather than land in the unthinkable after a delay of game penalty - 2nd and 13 ! why not, what's so precious about a second-half timeout, anyway?

the announcers didn't even flinch, much how they didn't 10 years ago when a team would punt, say, at 4th and inches from the opponent's 39.

in unrelated news today, the Chiefs - now leading 28-24 - clinched the game with a completed pass at the Denver 6-yard line as we reached the 2-minute warning. the Broncos had no timeouts left, so the Chiefs just went into "victory formation" three times and then the handshakes commenced.

bonus points to the about-to-be-fired Broncos coach who, with 4 1/2 minutes left, kicked a FG on 4th and 9 at the 13 to bring the Broncos within 28-24 (after having his crappy QB throw on 2nd and 3rd down to no avail).

you're not gonna believe this, but the Broncos never got the ball back. lolz
   36. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 08, 2022 at 10:06 PM (#6060279)
bonus points to the about-to-be-fired Broncos coach who, with 4 1/2 minutes left, kicked a FG on 4th and 9 at the 13 to bring the Broncos within 28-24 (after having his crappy QB throw on 2nd and 3rd down to no avail).


So they went from needing a touchdown to... needing a touchdown. And even if they had failed, they'd have given the Chiefs the ball back around the 10 rather than at the 25 after the automatic touchback at Mile High. Oh, and you're facing Patrick Mahomes, who is likely to burn up the rest of the clock if not score another touchdown.

Just an appalling decision.

   37. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 09, 2022 at 07:32 PM (#6060349)
A tie is as good as a win for San Francisco, and is also a pretty good result for the Rams. I wonder how hard the Rams will try for the TD in this last 2+ minutes. Kupp going for some records.

Rams win and they face the Saints I think, as the 2 seed. Draw and they face the 49ers again, as the 3 seed. Lose and they likely face Arizona as the 4 seed. Arizona could still come back and win the division if the Rams lose, but it's very unlikely now.

edit: game over on a bad, intercepted. Stafford had a not so great day, in the end, after starting 14/15 with 2 TDs and a 17-0 lead.
   38. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 09, 2022 at 08:00 PM (#6060351)
The Chargers and Raiders aren't going to do the "let's both kneel and tie and both make the playoff" thing, but could the NFL stop them if they tried? Is that like colluding to fix a score?
   39. Howie Menckel Posted: January 09, 2022 at 08:03 PM (#6060352)
so the number of QBs who have half as many career passing yards as Tom Brady is.... 17.

the number of those who played in the NFL before Brady's debut is... 8.

Brady has more passing yards than Joe Montana and Johnny Unitas combined - or the combination of Terry Bradshaw, Joe Namath, and Len Dawson.

[caveats galore, obviously. but literally true.]
   40. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 09, 2022 at 11:23 PM (#6060371)
Tie still could be in the cards, shockingly. 29-29 wouldn't be a scorigami, though. It was done in 2018.

If you want a scorigami, we would need 32-22 or 32-32. Both very unlikely but you never know.

edit: if that 4th down hadn't been converted, the final score probably would have been 32-22.
edit2: and maybe that 4th down, too! Though less certain.
   41. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 09, 2022 at 11:52 PM (#6060372)
heh. I am rooting heavily for a draw, which I think is still pretty unlikely, but obviously much more likely now. I'd be ecstatic if it ends up being a 32-32 scorigami draw.

There is every incentive here for both teams to use clock. We'll see what they do.
   42. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 10, 2022 at 12:07 AM (#6060373)
That was a good time for a FG for the Chargers. (Something rarely said.) Raiders really only have incentive to pick up a couple first downs and the game is over.
   43. SoSH U at work Posted: January 10, 2022 at 12:16 AM (#6060374)
Was that the dumbest timeout ever called?
   44. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 10, 2022 at 12:17 AM (#6060375)
Chargers really ###### up not playing that 3rd down play as a near goal line situation (with someone back to prevent a runner breaking through the line and going for a TD). I'm not sure the Raiders would have tried a 56 yarder.

edit: I'm not sure the TO really changed anything. Raiders were still going to run it on 3rd down, and probably go for a FG if they got within reasonable range, under 50 for example. I thought the Chargers called TO hopefully to tell their team the next 5-10 yards of territory were critical so play it like a goal line situation. Maybe they did that and the defense just wasn't able to stop the runner.
   45. SoSH U at work Posted: January 10, 2022 at 12:21 AM (#6060376)
I'm not sure the TO really changed anything


There's no way of knowing, obviously. It just seemed like they were inviting the Raiders to say \"#### it, we'll go ahead and win it."

Did they happen to mention who would have been the 6 and 7 seeds had the game ended in a tie? If the Raiders were looking at a 6 vs. 7, it could change their motivation.
   46. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 10, 2022 at 12:23 AM (#6060377)
Sure, but the Raiders weren't going to kneel on 3rd down, not after the way they played the rest of that drive. So the Raiders seemed to do what they were going to do anyway.
   47. SoSH U at work Posted: January 10, 2022 at 12:27 AM (#6060378)
Sure, but the Raiders weren't going to kneel on 3rd down, not after the way they played the rest of that drive.


They had to play the early part of the drive that way, because if they don't get first downs, they can still lose the game.
   48. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 10, 2022 at 12:39 AM (#6060379)
I don't know if the TO changed their mind about kicking a FG on the last play of the game. It's possible, but I doubt it. No way they were going to kneel on third down and end the game that way. It looks bad for the team and the league, they'd have to answer a ton of questions, and they didn't do it on first or second down. Not kicking is different, because they could have just let the clock run out at that point without running another play, and they could always also say that kicking would risk some type of error.

edit: also I thought they went up to the line, and they weren't in kneeling formation. Could be wrong about that.
   49. Howie Menckel Posted: January 10, 2022 at 12:40 AM (#6060380)
QB Carr said after on TV that "obviously" the timeout changed the Raiders' strategy.

he was glad for the Chargers' TO, though, as he preferred to going for a win while understanding playing smart.

...................

Jason McIntyre
@jasonrmcintyre
·
19m
Raiders snapper Trent Sieg says something to Ekeler. His reaction: "Really? Man!"

Did Sieg say the Raiders were going to play of the tie?

................

it's amazing that LAC upgraded from a total imbecile to a mostly imbecile (went for it on 4th down inside his own 20 while down 3 mid-game, which is hilarious. he chose poorly). good news for the Chargers is that they have had to coach so badly to keep Herbert down. if they ever hire a non-buffoon, they'll make the playoffs every year.

obvious solution for NFL is that whenever a game can end in a tie and send both teams to the playoffs, then there are no ties - you play as many OT's as necessary to get a winner and a loser.
   50. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 10, 2022 at 12:49 AM (#6060381)
Raiders also get the Bengals because they won, and would have had KC had they tied. Chiefs owned them this year in their two games: 41-14 and 48-9. They were also not in kneeldown formation (confirmed) when the TO was called. They were definitely going to run a run play there. Pretty sure they would have always tried a FG had they gotten enough yards. What "enough" means in that situation is the only question. Maybe the TO encouraged them to kick from 46 whereas without the TO they would have only kicked from inside 40 or something. I doubt it though.
   51. Howie Menckel Posted: January 10, 2022 at 12:58 AM (#6060382)
opponent aside, trying a super-long FG that could be blocked and scoop/scored when not bothering guarantees you the postseason is not a tough decision.
   52. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 10, 2022 at 01:33 AM (#6060385)
Which is probably why the Chargers called a timeout, if I had to guess. There was a decent to good chance that the Raiders don't try it from 56, where they were before the 3rd down play. There was onyl a small chance the Raiders wouldn't try it from the mid 40s, and probably almost no chance they wouldn't try it from under 40.

The Chargers coaches must have, or at least should have, known that any chunk of yards given up on that 3rd down play would be a disaster. Calling a time out to make sure they don't give up those yards, if that's why they did it, seems like a potentially smart move. Of course, they ended up giving up the 10 yards anyway, so who knows what the players were told.

Carr apparently actually said the following, which does not exactly imply they were ever going to settle for a tie if they had a makable FG.
“It definitely did, obviously,” Carr said in his post-game interview with NBC’s Michelle Tafoya. “But we knew, no matter what, we didn’t want a tie. We wanted to win the football game.”
   53. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 10, 2022 at 02:35 AM (#6060388)
[49] No, that would be an unfair advantage for the Steelers in that case. The solution to that problem is having all the games in the final week start at the same time and for the coaches to not be allowed to access information about other scores across the league. Of course that would mean fewer games that can make it into prime broadcast slots, so it won’t happen.
   54. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: January 10, 2022 at 05:01 AM (#6060389)
(went for it on 4th down inside his own 20 while down 3 mid-game, which is hilarious. he chose poorly).

I'm sure the number is imprecise, and I don't know enough about Staley to comment on his imbecility, but the NFL's analytics doodad said going for it instead of punting added 1.4% to LA's win expectancy.
   55. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 10, 2022 at 08:51 AM (#6060393)
Barnwell says the same thing here. Barnwell also thought the Raiders would try a 57-yarder anyway.

Instead, Staley's postgame news conference made his intentions clear. The Chargers called timeout because they wanted to get their best run defenders on the field to stop the run they knew was coming. Given that it was going to be a short-yardage run, they swapped struggling 240-pound linebacker Kenneth Murray for 323-pound defensive tackle Linval Joseph. The goal was pretty clearly to try to stop the Raiders for a short gain and force them into either attempting the most difficult field goal possible or letting the clock run out.

Michaels/Collinsworth didn't seem to know what was going on, which is the real problem.

One interesting thing is that due to the timeout the Raiders changed their play call from a shotgun formation run, which they had done on second down, to an I-formation run. That may have been partly in response to the Chargers change in personnel though. In other words, normal football stuff.
   56. Howie Menckel Posted: January 10, 2022 at 08:55 AM (#6060394)
that analytic is where you START.

after that, you have to factor in things like:
- am I a smart coach who has clever plays in his wheelhouse (NO);
- do I have an experienced QB who is great at QB sneaks (NO);
- do I have a top 5 offensive line that controls the line of scrimmage? (NO);
- do I have a John Riggins-like RB who is unstoppable for one yard (NO).

none of the analytics take those factors into account, and that's why this coach is an imbecile.

efforts to defend this coach are remarkable.

sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.....
   57. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 10, 2022 at 11:14 AM (#6060420)
[55] It should also be noted that the Chargers allowed the clock to tick below 40 seconds before calling the timeout so that on any run that stayed in bounds the clock could expire.

I’d also say there would be serious integrity of the game issues had the Raiders not attempted the 47 yard field goal at the end or had they taken a knee rather than run the ball.. Had the Chargers kept them at a 57 yard distance, then I think it would have been reasonable to let the clock expire as that’s a distance where kicks do occasionally come up short and get returned.
   58. Red Menace Posted: January 10, 2022 at 11:15 AM (#6060421)
Obviously the Chiefs scare you more than the Bengals. But the Raiders are now playing at 4:30 on Saturday. It would have been 8:15 against the Chiefs on Sunday night. How much that rest disparity closes the gap between Cincinnati and Kansas City is a mystery.
   59. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: January 10, 2022 at 11:33 AM (#6060424)

after that, you have to factor in things like:
- am I a smart coach who has clever plays in his wheelhouse (NO);
- do I have an experienced QB who is great at QB sneaks (NO);
- do I have a top 5 offensive line that controls the line of scrimmage? (NO);
- do I have a John Riggins-like RB who is unstoppable for one yard (NO).


Reasoning like that is what leads a coach to call a QB sneak on 2nd and 11 and 3rd and 9, when trailing.
   60. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 15, 2022 at 05:29 PM (#6061189)
Had a terrible vision of someone posting about the NFL playoffs in the idling Bowl Spectacular and had to rush to make a preemptive bump.
   61. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 15, 2022 at 05:54 PM (#6061191)
Whistle clearly blew on Burrow's pass near the sideline, which ends the play. Can't just "Oh, well, it probably didn't have any effect on the coverage, so give 'em the touchdown" your way past that.
   62. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 15, 2022 at 05:58 PM (#6061192)
Just saw the replay. Whistle seemed to happen half a second before the receiver caught the touchdown pass. Would have been correct, but wild, to overturn the play. Maybe the ref was already signaling the play over earlier, somewhere else.
   63. JJ1986 Posted: January 15, 2022 at 05:58 PM (#6061193)
efforts to defend this coach are remarkable.
When did you become The Yankee Clapper?
   64. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 15, 2022 at 07:53 PM (#6061195)
Well that was an exciting finish anyway. Two pretty flawed teams, and Cincy wasn't really any better on this day, but they probably have a better shot at pulling an upset next week than the Raiders would have.

Congrats to Cincy fans for a playoff win, finally!
   65. Howie Menckel Posted: January 15, 2022 at 09:10 PM (#6061200)
kudos to the Raiders for calling a stupid timeout in the third quarter, and then to the Bengals for calling one to avoid turning a 28-yard FG try into a 33-yard one (lolz). somehow the kicker made it anyway.

Raiders used their second timeout when they didn't have a play figured out on 4th and 5 as the clock nearly ran out. that's a variation - the timeout itself is necessary and proper, but only after you have screwed the pooch for the previous seconds to force that scenario.

watched the game with a college buddy of mine - Bengals fan who still dreams of seeing Ken Anderson put into the Hall of Fame.

he went through his age 30s, 40s, and 50s without seeing a playoff win. he was a bit on edge down the stretch
:)
   66. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 15, 2022 at 09:37 PM (#6061201)
No Belichick coached team has lost a playoff game by more than 20 points. I guess that's not a surprise.

29-9 loss as head coach of the Browns against Cowher's Steelers in 1995.
33-14 loss as head coach of the Patriots against Harbaugh's Ravens in 2009.

edit: I love that both teams are taking these pretty low leverage 3 points with the utmost seriousness. Maybe in part because they are division rivals.
   67. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 15, 2022 at 10:52 PM (#6061204)
Only thing that can stop the Bills tonight is the uprights. Missed two extra points and hit the upright on a third.

7 possessions, 7 touchdowns.
   68. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 15, 2022 at 10:54 PM (#6061205)
Most lopsided Belichick loss ever was a 31-0 against the Bills in 2003, I think.
   69. Howie Menckel Posted: January 15, 2022 at 11:52 PM (#6061207)
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Worst losses for Bill Belichick as coach of Patriots

• 31 points: at Bills (2003)
• 30 points: at Bills (tonight)
• 29 points: vs. Bills (2020)
   70. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 16, 2022 at 12:00 AM (#6061210)
47 is a great point total for half a scorigami. Patriots with a common 17 didn't do their part though.
   71. Dog on the sidewalk has an ugly bracelet Posted: January 16, 2022 at 12:58 AM (#6061213)
When did you become The Yankee Clapper?

It felt more like an interaction with SBB than with Clapper.

Josh Allen is incredibly fun to watch when he's playing well.
   72. JJ1986 Posted: January 16, 2022 at 02:12 PM (#6061232)
I have not watched the Eagles very much this season, but I do not understand how they ever score.
   73. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 16, 2022 at 02:59 PM (#6061235)
I have not watched the Eagles very much this season, but I do not understand how they ever score.
they're a 2nd half team.
   74. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 16, 2022 at 03:28 PM (#6061239)
John Gonzalez @JohnGonzalez
Being an Eagles fan means hating them, then after a while believing in them again, and then just hating yourself in the end

   75. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 16, 2022 at 05:27 PM (#6061250)
Niners should have gone for it on 4th and 1. Only mitigating point is they are up already.
   76. stanmvp48 Posted: January 16, 2022 at 06:22 PM (#6061261)
Don't even try to block punts
   77. Tony S Posted: January 16, 2022 at 06:22 PM (#6061262)
On January 16, 2022 at 6:18 PM Eastern, I witnessed the single dumbest play in the history of pro sports.

Giving the other team a free first down when they're giving you the ball buried in their own territory is something I cannot fathom a professionally trained player doing.
   78. stanmvp48 Posted: January 16, 2022 at 06:33 PM (#6061263)
Looked like defensive holding on that 3rd down pass
   79. stanmvp48 Posted: January 16, 2022 at 06:46 PM (#6061267)
Should have gone for it
   80. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:01 PM (#6061271)
I don't know how the 49ers fell for that fake punt. WTF.

edit: the only thing they should have been protecting against was the fake punt. I was shocked the Cowboys even lined up to punt.
   81. Tony S Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:01 PM (#6061272)
How could the niners not be prepared for that?
   82. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:01 PM (#6061273)
Always baffled when teams are surprised by completely unsurprising fakes. It's 23-7 in the fourth quarter!
   83. Tony S Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:11 PM (#6061276)
What a disaster in the making.
   84. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:13 PM (#6061277)
Jimmy G! Another shocking mistake. I was watching without sound. Was there any excuse for that?

edit: ... saved by the refs? (on the subsequent fumble)
   85. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:24 PM (#6061281)
What an implosion.

Bailed out the the overturned completion.
   86. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:26 PM (#6061282)
This game has become quite messy.
   87. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:29 PM (#6061283)
Go for it.
   88. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:30 PM (#6061284)
Ah shoot I really wanted them to go for it.
   89. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:31 PM (#6061285)
If the Cowboys win this one by a single point on a late TD, it will be a mirror of the Catch game. That one was back and forth scoring though, not the Niners coming back from a large deficit.
   90. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:40 PM (#6061287)
lol. defensive holding on what was effectively a give-up run.
   91. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:41 PM (#6061288)
Both teams playing "No, you take it."
   92. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:45 PM (#6061291)
nice play call. might be short on review.
   93. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:53 PM (#6061294)
so ludicrous.
   94. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:58 PM (#6061295)
wtf. this is the stupidest game ever.
   95. SoSH U at work Posted: January 16, 2022 at 07:59 PM (#6061296)
There was so little upside to that.
   96. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 16, 2022 at 08:00 PM (#6061297)
I'm still cackling. Just totally ridiculous by both teams, on multiple occasions.
   97. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 16, 2022 at 08:06 PM (#6061298)
The upside is you get a chance at a Young-to-Owens four-verticals play instead of heaving it blindly into a mass of humanity. But it's too cute with only 14 seconds. I think the consensus "safe" number for getting lined up is considered 17-ish.
   98. Howie Menckel Posted: January 16, 2022 at 08:09 PM (#6061299)
the beauty of the Dak run up the middle to end the game is that if the Cowboys were down 1 or 2, then - as dumb as the play was - if somehow they spike the ball with 1 second left, they likely win.

but down by 6 points earns a ton of imbecile bonus points, as they'd only have one play and obviously have to get a TD.

also that was a classic Trent Williams lazy play. might be the most talented tackle ever who has wasted a lot of that talent. he has the accolades for a HOF case, but NFL insiders know who he is. will be interesting to see how that goes down the road. I mean, that was an aggressively stupid, potentially season-ruining blunder. and not out of character for him.


meanwhile, McCarthy is an imbecile.

I mean, for years Andy Reid made all sorts of blunders on usage of timeouts and other tactical mistakes.
but he's a leader and inspirer of men and is a genius in analyzing how to create successful plays.

and when Patrick Mahomes was available, he knew to insist that he needed to be acquired by any means necessary - even though the Chiefs already had a solid QB in Alex Smith.

McCarthy? he's like Scott Garrett II.
   99. Howie Menckel Posted: January 16, 2022 at 08:20 PM (#6061301)
dupe
   100. SoSH U at work Posted: January 16, 2022 at 09:43 PM (#6061306)
Predictably, the Keystone State entries are not making a strong argument in favor of the extra wild card.
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