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OT - 2022 NFL thread Part II

Under the first proposal that was voted through, the AFC Championship will now be played at a neutral-site game if any of the three following scenarios are met:

Scenario 1: If Buffalo and Kansas City both win or both tie in Week 18, then a Buffalo vs. Kansas City championship game would be at a neutral site.
Scenario 2: If the Bills and Chiefs both lose in Week 18 and Baltimore wins or ties with the Bengals, then a Buffalo vs. Kansas City championship game would be at a neutral site.
Scenario 3: If Buffalo and Kansas City both lose and Cincinnati beats Baltimore, then a Bills or Bengals vs. Chiefs championship game would be at a neutral site.

Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 08, 2023 at 10:01 AM | 514 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 07, 2023 at 05:28 PM (#6112351)

The NFL is also giving the Ravens a chance to possibly host a wild card game even though Baltimore will be finishing in second place in the AFC North no matter what happens on Sunday against the Bengals. Even if the Ravens win, that would put them at 11-6, which would still be a half game behind Cincinnati, which would finish 11-5 with a loss.

Under that scenario, the Ravens wouldn't win the division even though they swept the Bengals AND had a better division record. ~~To fix that problem,~~ [T]he owners have approved a proposal that will call for a coin flip to determine the host of a potential Bengals-Ravens wild card game. The coin flip would only happen if both scenarios below are met:

1. The Ravens beat the Bengals on Sunday, and ...
2. The two teams are scheduled to play each other in the wild card round.

Contra the editorializing, there is no "problem" to be fixed here. Divisions are decided by overall record -- winning percentage, in the event of uneven numbers of games -- with head-to-head and division record only breaking ties.

The Bengals are rightly pissed:

Bengals executive vice president Katie Blackburn is on the competition committee, which approved the scenarios Thursday. In a memo obtained by ESPN's Seth Wickersham, Blackburn urged teams to vote against the scenarios. Her reasoning stemmed from the timing of a rule change in this scenario away from the standard of winning percentages.

"The proper process for making rule change is in the off-season," Blackburn wrote. "It is not appropriate to put teams in a position to vote for something that may introduce bias, favor one team over another or impact their own situation when the vote takes place immediately before the playoffs."

2. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 07, 2023 at 05:30 PM (#6112352)

Huh. You guys have college football, soccer, and NBA threads, all active today, but an NFL player almost dies on the field, and there's zero discussion anywhere? There was a thread from October, but it got locked for some unknown reason.

For future reference, it takes almost no time to create a thread of one's own without having site keys. Go to the "Submit news item" page; submit a news item, taking note of the name you give it; insert that name in the BBTF URL template and transport yourself to the now-live page; submit a comment, and the thread will jump to Hot Topics.

3. Tony S Posted: January 07, 2023 at 06:15 PM (#6112357)

As a Ravens fan, I also think Cincinnati got hosed here.

4. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 07, 2023 at 11:07 PM (#6112392)

Dobbs checking down on the climactic play of his team's season.

5. Howie Menckel Posted: January 07, 2023 at 11:29 PM (#6112394)

Before the near-fatality the other night, the Ravens had a chance to win the AFC North.

After the adjustments, they were eliminated from that chance "off the field."

Yet I haven't seen a single reference to that in the all-too-many articles about all this.

Not that I think they got screwed - or at least, they are not alone. Just seems like an oddly overlooked, even if inevitable, result of the developments.

6. SoSH U at work Posted: January 08, 2023 at 12:31 AM (#6112398)

Before the near-fatality the other night, the Ravens had a chance to win the AFC North.

Before the near-fatality the other night, the Bengals had a chance to have HFA for the entire playoffs.

7. Howie Menckel Posted: January 08, 2023 at 09:17 AM (#6112409)

Yes, that point has been hammered home 1000+ times (in spite of the incredible unlikelihood of Mahomes losing the first AFC West road game of his career to a waiver-wire QB of a "lost" franchise). The Ravens locking in a home game was far more likely.

You're making my point for me.

8. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 08, 2023 at 10:03 AM (#6112412)

There was never going to be a solution where some team, probably multiple teams, didn't feel like they got screwed. I don't know that the NFL chose the best of multiple imperfect solutions, but just because someone is complaining doesn't mean they didn't.

In more important news, there were two more scorigamis this year after the initial 48-45 Seattle win over Detroit in week 3. We had to wait until week 13 when Dallas beat Indy 54-19, a score that should surprise no one was a scorigami. The surprise came in week 16 when Cincy beat NE 22-18--one of the lowest combined scorigami outside of scores which have a 4,5,8, or 11. In fact, the only other non-tying scores that haven't been made yet in that whole general area are 25-18 and 29-12. Every other score where the losing team has at least 12 points and the winner no more than 31 has been hit already. Even all ties have been hit except ties at 15, 18, 22, and 25.

9. John DiFool2 Posted: January 08, 2023 at 10:44 AM (#6112415)

#2: I was tempted, but the locking of the other thread in mid-Oct made me wonder if there was a stealth site-wide ban on NFL discussion here now.

10. SoSH U at work Posted: January 08, 2023 at 11:22 AM (#6112420)

You're making my point for me.

No, I'm most certainly not. In addition to the longshot Chiefs scenario (though, keep in mind, just a few weeks back the Chiefs needed OT to beat the Texans, and that waiver wire QB put up 30-plus against a better defense the week prior), there's a far more likely one that could have played out.

While I acknowledge Bee's point that there was no perfect solution (while also remaining baffled at his and others' scorigami fetish), the reason the Bengals are getting 1,000 times more attention is because they are getting screwed within the NFL's solution.

The NFL is granting the Ravens the possibility of a first-round home game based on the possibility the Bills could have beaten the Bengals.

Yet, if the Bengals and Bills both win this weekend, the Bengals are not getting the same what-if benefit with the Bills. If they had beaten the Bills on MNF and both had the same result this weekend, the Bengals would have been at least the 2 seed. And frankly, given the game state (7-3 Bengals, Bengals in Bills territory, at Cincinnati), I'm going to bet the Bengals win Monday's game more often than the Bills do.

If the NFL felt the need to grant such a what-if scenario benefit to the Ravens, they should have offered a similar one to Cincy. Or better yet, not even bother with either.

11. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 08, 2023 at 11:41 AM (#6112421)

Yeah I'm also a little bit confused about why in some cases there is a neutral site (AFC title game), in some a coin flip (Bengals Ravens home field), and in some just no contest (playoff seeding noting above, but also including the low chance of Bengals getting HFA but also the much higher chance of Bills getting HFA and first round bye).

There's no way to share a first round bye, but it could have been decided by a coin flip. If the Bills win today it has just been handed to KC. That seems like kind of a big deal too. Or they could have said "sorry, rules is rules" and upon cancellation of the game just used W/L percentage with an uneven number of games.

Compromises often look ugly though, which is probably why we are where we are.

12. Mike A Posted: January 08, 2023 at 01:10 PM (#6112431)

Was really pulling for Dobbs last night. He's a local kid and alopecia spokeman with an aerospace engineering(!) degree.

But, real life doesn't always have the Rocky (II) ending. And the 4th quarter did not go well.

13. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 08, 2023 at 01:50 PM (#6112434)

Yeah I'm also a little bit confused about why in some cases there is a neutral site (AFC title game), in some a coin flip (Bengals Ravens home field), and in some just no contest (playoff seeding noting above, but also including the low chance of Bengals getting HFA but also the much higher chance of Bills getting HFA and first round bye).

The rationale is evidently that the Bills and Bengals will have played the same number of games, and two teams in that situation without a game between them happens all the time -- e.g., 49ers-Vikings in the NFC -- so no need to address it.

They're clearly just pulling things out of their asses.

14. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: January 08, 2023 at 02:49 PM (#6112443)

I don't understand why they didn't simply (a) cancel the game or (b) declare the game a tie, and just go from there. (It's called "winning percentage", people. It's not complicated.)

the AFC Championship will now be played at a neutral-site

I've always kinda wondered why conference championship aren't played at neutral sites, considering they occur in the literal dead of winter (late January).

15. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: January 08, 2023 at 04:15 PM (#6112450)

Never mind the Dolphins clinching the final postseason berth, there was an improbable safety on the final play of the game, resulting in Miami winning, 11-6 (not 9-6), thereby covering the 3.5-point spread.

16. Howie Menckel Posted: January 08, 2023 at 04:15 PM (#6112451)

Texans convert a 4th and 20 into a TD with 50 seconds left, then go for 2 and make it - and they win, 32-31 lol.

that gives the Bears the No. 1 overall pick for the first time since 1947 (Bears tied for worst record in 1970 at 1-13, lost a coin flip to the Steelers - who chose someone named "Terry Bradshaw." I should google him).

Gentlemen, the bidding has just opened for those interested in a franchise QB with the No. 1 pick.

The Texans will settle for the perceived 2nd-best QB on the board with the 2 pick. If they're lucky, it will be the guy they wanted all along....

and thanks for alerting me to my losing bet in the Miami game, JE

#cringe

...........

also:

$6M at stake in the Circa Survivor pool, only 3 contestants left out of thousands of entries

- 1 had the Jaguars, who needed a miracle "scoop and score" to win last night
- 1 had the Colts, who just lost to Texans in impossible fashion
- 1 has the Seahawks, playing now

(if the Jags and Colts backers didn't put at least a half-million hedge on the other side, they're even more degenerate than I would have thought....)

17. Nasty Nate Posted: January 08, 2023 at 04:32 PM (#6112452)

It ends up that the Bucs are the only playoff team with a losing record. There will be three 9-8 playoff teams, unless there are a couple of ties in the NFC games today.

18. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 08, 2023 at 04:41 PM (#6112454)

In case SoSH U was concerned, I want to put his mind at ease that while that 11-6 result was certainly improbable, luckily that score has been hit before, though only a single time, back in 2000.

I'm sure people will remember this game. It was the year Kurt Warner and the greatest show on turf really arrived. They started the season as huge longshots to win the superbowl but entered the NFC championship game as a whopping 14-point favorite over defensive-minded Tampa Bay. Despite the game being on St. Louis's turf literally, it was extremely hard going for the Rams who needed a touchdown in the 4th quarter, and then a stop by their defense on the last drive, to beat Tampa Bay. The 11 points scored was by far their lowest of the year.

The Rams ended up winning the superbowl when Tennessee came up One Yard Short.

19. Howie Menckel Posted: January 08, 2023 at 04:47 PM (#6112455)

classic Jets - they lose a 6-way tie for the 8th pick so will choose 13th (their opponents were better W-L-wise than the other 5 team opponents, so their 7-10 is considered more understandable)

1. BEARS 3-14
2. TEXANS 3-13-1

3-4-5-6-7 is some order of:
SEAHAWKS (from Broncos 4-12)
CARDINALS 4-12
COLTS 4-12-1
LIONS (from Rams 5-11)
RAIDERS 6-11

8. FALCONS 7-10
9. PANTHERS 7-10
10. EAGLES (from Saints 7-10)
11. TITANS 7-10
12. TEXANS (from Browns 7-10)
13. JETS 7-10

(credit: Tankathon.com)

20. SoSH U at work Posted: January 08, 2023 at 05:02 PM (#6112457)

In case SoSH U was concerned, I want to put his mind at ease that while that 11-6 result was certainly improbable, luckily that score has been hit before, though only a single time, back in 2000.

So scorigami scores include the postseason. Probably not the preseason though, right?

21. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: January 08, 2023 at 05:39 PM (#6112461)

that 11-6 result was certainly improbable, luckily that score has been hit before, though only a single time, back in 2000.

Not just any game: it was the 2000 NFC Championship game, won by the Rams over the Buccaneers.

My database shows 61 (now 62) 11-6 games, mostly college games from 100+ years ago (last time: Colorado State over Wyoming in 1974). Also five CFL games have ended 11-6, including the 1930 Grey Cup (Toronto Balmy Beach over Regina Roughriders)...and one World League of American Football contest in 1991 (Barcelona over Birmingham).

22. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 08, 2023 at 08:44 PM (#6112481)

Despite the game being on St. Louis's turf literally

I, for one, appreciated the reference.

23. Astroenteritis Posted: January 08, 2023 at 10:51 PM (#6112494)

Texans convert a 4th and 20 into a TD with 50 seconds left, then go for 2 and make it - and they win, 32-31 lol.

And this sums up the Texans franchise perfectly. Hope this doesn't turn into a Jets/Trevor Lawrence deal.

24. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 08, 2023 at 11:25 PM (#6112498)

Lions showed up tonight to knock Green Bay out of the playoffs, despite already being eliminated when Seattle won earlier.

There will be a lot of intradivision matchups in the first round of the playoffs: Niners/Seahawks, Bills/Dolphins, and Bengals/Ravens.

25. Russlan is not Russian Posted: January 08, 2023 at 11:43 PM (#6112500)

The Lions will likely go into next season as the favorite to win the NFC north. After starting 1-6, they finished the year 8-2. They will have the Rams' pick as well. Things are looking up for that team.

As a 49er fan, I think I prefer to see the Seahawks than the Packers despite Rodgers' poor history against SF in the playoffs.

26. Mike A Posted: January 08, 2023 at 11:48 PM (#6112501)

As a Dolphins fan, I didn't even notice the safety at the end. 20 minutes after the game ended I saw 11-6 and went 'say what?'

27. SoSH U at work Posted: January 09, 2023 at 12:22 AM (#6112506)

As a 49er fan, I think I prefer to see the Seahawks than the Packers despite Rodgers' poor history against SF in the playoffs.

And the Lions were better than either of them.

28. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: January 09, 2023 at 06:14 PM (#6112595)

The Lions will likely go into next season as the favorite to win the NFC north.

Great, now you've jinxed us! Thanks, pal!

There's nothing more cruel than to give a Lions fan hope.

29. Moeball Posted: January 10, 2023 at 12:23 AM (#6112641)

So can CIN face BUF in the playoffs? And does BUF get home field? I really think the Bengals got screwed here.

30. Dolf Lucky Posted: January 10, 2023 at 07:18 AM (#6112646)

Yes to both. If the Bengals and Bills both win this weekend, it will be Cincy at Buffalo.

31. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: January 13, 2023 at 12:12 PM (#6113087)

SK: As someone who has been transfixed by fly-on-the-wall documentaries about Mitt Romney and Anthony Weiner, I enjoyed this aspect of the show. Treating it like a dark comedy made it so much better in my experience. The scene after they lost in overtime to the Bucs on Christmas was presented so well that I laughed like I would at an episode of Veep:
[...]
The producers dedicated a good chunk of episode time to the Watts’ adorable baby, as if it were an apology for making everyone sit through so many shitty, dull moments
[...]
MA: The scenes in the QB room were fab. Really seemed like the worst place in the world. Quarterbacks coach Cam Turner might actually be less inspiring than Kliff.

SK: I don’t remember a single contribution Turner made that helped the QBs in any way. He must have learned that from his uncle Norv. What were they doing all day??
[...]
MA: One story I liked from the finale was Kliff running his special “Joe Montana” play, which worked, earned the swelling orchestral Hard Knocks music, and helped them merely lose 38-13.

32. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 14, 2023 at 04:52 PM (#6113214)

Purdy was late or off-target on every throw of the first drive, including a lateral to Samuel. Should've been a bing-bang-boom touchdown drive, and instead ended in a field goal.

Seattle offense looked overwhelmed its first two possessions, though, so it may not matter even if it continues.

33. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 14, 2023 at 04:52 PM (#6113215)

And if the 49ers are going to run like this, it definitely won't.

34. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 14, 2023 at 05:19 PM (#6113216)

Impressive drive by Seattle there. Short passes and runs, almost all of which were effective. Ball control too. Their chances of winning remain very low, but a couple more drives like that and they would have a decent chance. I wouldn't bet on it.

35. Howie Menckel Posted: January 14, 2023 at 08:37 PM (#6113221)

fwiw, if the Bills and Bengals both win (and they will), that game will be played in Atlanta.

if Giants win on Sunday, they will visit the Eagles - just like they did last weekend.
that was a weird one. Giants sat almost everyone, but Eagles iirc used most of their guys including Hurts but looked lackluster. wouldn't have mattered, because the Cowboys and Prescott were utterly lifeless in losing to the aimless Commanders.

Vikes-Giants is only 4th time both teams in the same game were outscored in the regular season. surprised it has happened before.

36. JJ1986 Posted: January 14, 2023 at 08:38 PM (#6113222)

Critics really killed Brandon Staley.

37. JJ1986 Posted: January 14, 2023 at 08:49 PM (#6113223)

fwiw, if the Bills and Bengals both win (and they will), that game will be played in Atlanta.

I can't find this anywhere.

38. Howie Menckel Posted: January 14, 2023 at 09:27 PM (#6113228)

it's actually in Atlanta if it's Bills-Chiefs in AFC title game.

Bengals had the ball in Bills territory, at home, while already up 7-0.
but a near-tragic event happens to the other team, so the Bengals are focked.

I wonder if they do drug tests at NFL HQ.

39. SoSH U at work Posted: January 14, 2023 at 10:04 PM (#6113230)

but Eagles iirc used most of their guys including Hurts but looked lackluster. wouldn't have mattered, because the Cowboys and Prescott were utterly lifeless in losing to the aimless Commanders.

It wouldn't have mattered in terms of the NFC East title, but I think the Niners would have had the top seed if the Giants had beaten the Eagles.

40. Howie Menckel Posted: January 14, 2023 at 11:31 PM (#6113233)

Twitter cognoscenti spent all week slagging the Chargers coach.

up 27-0 late in the first half, they still had him somehow blowing this game.

final Jaguars 31, Chargers 30.

unbelievable.

41. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 15, 2023 at 01:50 PM (#6113261)

There was a play late in the first half when the Chargers were up 27-0 and had 3rd and inches. Rather than sneak for the first down, they tried some weird play with motion in the backfield and lost several yards forcing a punt. The Jaguars went right down the field for a TD in response. Going into the half I said “a 20 point lead at half isn’t insurmountable; if the Chargers lose, that play will be the big regret.” And they did indeed blow it.

42. Howie Menckel Posted: January 15, 2023 at 02:20 PM (#6113266)

what happened was that is a play for Mike Williams - who didn't play because he got hurt in the meaningless regular-season finale.

their backup also did that play 4 times this season - I think it was for net negative 21 yards all told.

then he got hurt in this game.

so they went with a practice squad guy to try the play. not surprisingly, he never saw it coming because he didn't know he was the second option after the Jags overloaded the middle.

Herbert admitted he should have checked in with the nobody during the timeout, but that just comes with more experience. the coaches could have made up for that issue - but they really are as terrible as everyone says.

43. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 15, 2023 at 02:49 PM (#6113270)

Absolute meltdown by the Bills to end the first half.

44. Tony S Posted: January 15, 2023 at 03:42 PM (#6113273)

Romo is slagging Thompson for that pick, but is the outcome really all that different than if they had punted?

45. Howie Menckel Posted: January 15, 2023 at 04:08 PM (#6113275)

my latest "Cassandra" observation - and hey, while I had to wait many many years for MLB managers to wise up and not sit closers in big spots and not waste them with a 3-run lead to start the 9th if he's not well-rested, my time has finally come.

Dolphins trail 34-24, late 3rd qtr, on their own 35 or so, 2nd and 7.
a little confusion - and MIA calls timeout because God forbid you cannot accept 2nd and 12 !

many of my nephews and nieces are old as as the MIA head coach. I can't blame Nantz and Romo and the other fossils.
but for a sneak preview of a decade from now: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THAT IS HOLY, SECOND-HALF TIMEOUTS ARE LIKE MOTHER'S MILK.

you don't have to be a math whiz to understand that the modest gain from not losing 5 yards pales in comparison here to preserving that timeout.

there are occasional exceptions, of course. 4th and goal from the 3-yard line - brutal to lose the TO but it could easily change the game. same for 3rd and goal from your own 1-yard line, as a second example.

this - this was not such an example. yet I have never, ever seen an announcer question these stupid timeouts....

#rantover #getmoffmylawn

(and for those who thought the football gods did not have a sense of humor, MIA gets a completion on the next play for - you guessed it - 12 yards! lol)

46. SoSH U at work Posted: January 15, 2023 at 04:14 PM (#6113276)

same for 3rd and goal from your own 1-yard line, as a second example.

That seems like a situation where you're going to end up punting.

47. Tony S Posted: January 15, 2023 at 04:25 PM (#6113280)

That Miami is in this game considering that they have no receivers open, ever, gives me a little hope for the Ravens tonight.

And as I type this, they blow another timeout.

And now Buffalo does the same. Battle of the Dumb Timeouts.

48. Howie Menckel Posted: January 15, 2023 at 06:10 PM (#6113294)

That seems like a situation where you're going to end up punting.

well, it depends on the quality of your QB and offensive line and your punter's amount of experience - are you seriously increasing your risk a safety getting within inches of the end zone? all that would be in play.

now, if one wanted to be a pedant, one could take every general example in every post and micromanage it. but of course we frown on such behavior at BBTF.

also, having one Primate nitpick within an inch of their life most posts by another Primate, while leaving the field clear for others... that would be - well, petty. and life's too short for that.

in fact, if one ever reflected and became aware of one's own behavior, blocking the posts of that other poster might suffice in stifling such an urge. little if anything is gained for the community at large by what the NFL and college football call "targeting."

#passiveaggressive

49. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: January 15, 2023 at 06:23 PM (#6113295)

big ears and thin skin is no way to go through life.

#passiveaggressive

50. SoSH U at work Posted: January 15, 2023 at 06:51 PM (#6113300)

Good Lord Howie, I was making a joke about the idea of having a third and goal at your own 1 yard line. That's a long way to go for a score.

Get a grip.

51. Tony S Posted: January 15, 2023 at 06:52 PM (#6113301)

Bud Grant is still with us. Didn't know that.

52. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: January 15, 2023 at 07:13 PM (#6113307)

Bud Grant is still with us. Didn't know that.

he has a garage sale every year.

53. Moeball Posted: January 15, 2023 at 07:56 PM (#6113310)

Minnesota, at home and with a much better record than the Giants, manages to lose. Absolutely no one is surprised by this outcome.

54. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: January 15, 2023 at 08:00 PM (#6113312)

I heard them say on the radio broadcast that both Minny and the Giants had negative point differentials this year, the first ever such playoff matchup.

55. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 15, 2023 at 08:30 PM (#6113314)

Yeah, I thought the Min-NYG game was a tossup going into it. I wouldn’t be very surprised if the Giants beat the Eagles next week either. Not that the Giants are particularly strong, but moreso the Eagles feel like one of the weakest number one seeds we’ve had. The gap between the 49ers and everyone else in the conference feels like the largest gap we’ve had in quite a while.

56. tonywagner Posted: January 15, 2023 at 08:42 PM (#6113316)

I heard them say on the radio broadcast that both Minny and the Giants had negative point differentials this year, the first ever such playoff matchup.

Actually it is the 4th such game. From Twitter:

- Rams/Seahawks (2004)
- Steelers/Oilers (1989)
- Vikings/Falcons (1982)

57. Tony S Posted: January 15, 2023 at 08:50 PM (#6113317)

The Ravens are outmanned enough already that they really shouldn't be giving the Bengals free yardage with dumbass taunting penalties.

58. JJ1986 Posted: January 15, 2023 at 09:05 PM (#6113319)

I am not at all sure that the 49ers with Brock Purdy are better than the Eagles with Jalen Hurts.

59. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

Posted: January 15, 2023 at 09:48 PM (#6113321)

Minnesota, at home and with a much better record than the Giants, manages to lose. Absolutely no one is surprised by this outcome.

The Vikings were 3 point favorites, and apparently 90% of the money bet on the game was on the Giants. Anything could have happened, but the Vikings have looked shaky as a leaf for the past two months and they're not exactly known for their postseason success.

60. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: January 15, 2023 at 09:52 PM (#6113322)

Yeah, I thought the Min-NYG game was a tossup going into it. I wouldn’t be very surprised if the Giants beat the Eagles next week either. Not that the Giants are particularly strong, but moreso the Eagles feel like one of the weakest number one seeds we’ve had. The gap between the 49ers and everyone else in the conference feels like the largest gap we’ve had in quite a while.

Reuben Frank @RoobNBCS
The Eagles are the first NFL team ranked in the top 3 in both offense and defense in the same year since the 2010 Chargers, who were No. 1 in both

Reuben Frank RoobNBCS
The Eagles are 17-1 in Jalen Hurts' last 18 regular-season starts:

W-WAS 27-7
W-NYG 34-10
W-WAS 20-16
W-DET 38-35
W-MIN 24-7
W-WAS 24-8
W-JAX 29-21
W-ARI 20-17
W-DAL 26-17
W-PIT 35-13
W-HOU 29-17
L-WAS 32-21
W-IND 17-16
W-GB 40-33
W-TEN 35-10
W-NYG 48-22
W-CHI 25-20
W-NYG 22-16

Reuben Frank @RoobNBCS
Eagles were 7-1 this year vs. winning teams.

Best record in the NFL vs. winning teams.
Eagles' best record ever vs. winning teams [6-1 in 1960].
Best by anybody since 2010 Patriots were 7-1.
Matches best since 2007 Patriots were 7-0.

Reuben Frank @RoobNBCS
Eagles finish as the #1 pass defense in the NFL for first time since 1991:

Eagles 180 / game
Saints 184 / game
Jets 189 / game

Eagles finish #2 in overall defense. Allowed 15 more yards than the 49ers all year:

49ers --> 300.6 [5,110 yards]
Eagles --> 301.5 [5,125 yards]

Jimmy Kempski @JimmyKempski
Video: The Eagles' 70 sacks in 2022

Jimmy Kempski @JimmyKempski
The Eagles have now scored 477 points this season. That breaks the single-season team record of 474 points scored, set in 2014.

tHe eAgLeS FeEl lIkE OnE Of tHe wEaKeSt nUmBeR OnE SeEdS We’vE HaD

61. Tony S Posted: January 15, 2023 at 10:10 PM (#6113324)

Someone needs to remind the Ravens defense that this is the NFL, not the CFL... the other team gets four downs, not three.

62. Tony S Posted: January 15, 2023 at 10:37 PM (#6113326)

In baseball, if you strike out with the bases loaded, you don't score, but at least the other team doesn't get four runs.

What a disaster.

63. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 16, 2023 at 09:33 PM (#6113401)

What's the record for missed XPs in a single game?

edit: seems to be 3, but all of those guys made at least 1 in the same game.

64. Russlan is not Russian Posted: January 16, 2023 at 10:05 PM (#6113406)

So this is probably Brady's last game as a Buc. I think he is still a good quarterback but he needs to have a lot of weapons available to him. He is not in his prime where he can carry a bad team but is he a good enough quarterback where he can help a good team become great?

65. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 16, 2023 at 10:09 PM (#6113408)

Nice! Record setting night.

edit: I feel bad for this guy, who I never heard of before. Five straight extra point misses (going back a game for the fifth) might also be a record.

edit2: in much sadder news, 25 points is a lot more conducive to a scorigami than 24, so we can probably forget about a scorigami now.

66. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: January 16, 2023 at 10:10 PM (#6113410)

Brett Maher is channeling his inner Mackey Sasser. Or Rich Ankiel. Or both.

67. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 16, 2023 at 10:30 PM (#6113411)

Wait, Brett Maher missed 4 extra points today? He was the number one kicker in fantasy this year!

68. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 16, 2023 at 10:40 PM (#6113413)

[64] He’s looked pretty bad this year overall with a few flashes (eg Carolina). As for teams with weapons ... I doubt he can do better than Kirk Cousins at this point with Justin Jefferson. The Raiders could be a decent fit- Davante Adams is great and Josh Jacobs might be back, but the Raiders org is a mess. I guess the Dolphins could be a decent fit if Tua’s concussions are a career ender.

69. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 16, 2023 at 10:46 PM (#6113415)

Lol, the Cowboys lost faith in Maher... and scored a TD instead!

70. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 16, 2023 at 10:49 PM (#6113417)

Hey he made one! Down the middle too.

71. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: January 16, 2023 at 10:56 PM (#6113418)

And ESPN pretty much missed it! LOL.

72. Russlan is not Russian Posted: January 16, 2023 at 10:58 PM (#6113419)

He’s looked pretty bad this year overall with a few flashes (eg Carolina).

He certainly is at an age where he can fall off a cliff but he has thrown for over 10,000 over the last 2 years. It is certainly true that Tampa Bay has thrown the ball a ton in the last 2 years which may have inflated his statistics but it also is true that he is probably being asked to do too much for team that is not quite as talented as it was when they won the Super Bowl.

As a 49er fan I really hope the team does not pursue him. It is not that I think he is washed. It is just that I'd rather they win with anybody else than him or Rodgers. When he joins the team, the narrative becomes more about him and his legacy rather than the team's legacy.

73. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 17, 2023 at 01:10 AM (#6113427)

I’ll say this for Brady: that deep ball he threw right after the onside kick was dead on and one of the best throws I’ve seen. Too bad Mike Evans dropped it. Not that it would have mattered to the final outcome.

74. Moeball Posted: January 17, 2023 at 02:09 AM (#6113430)

I'll admit it, I'm petty. When I see a team in the playoffs with a losing record because they "won their division" no matter how inept the division was, and then the NFL actually rewards their ineptitude by letting them host playoff games against teams with much better records, I want to see them buried in a game that isn't even close. Every single time. So that people finally understand they didn't belong in the playoffs to start with. So when I saw Dallas thoroughly dominate the Bucs my petty side smiled. That it was Tom Brady on the losing end of things only made my smile widen.

Like I said, petty.

75. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: January 17, 2023 at 10:43 AM (#6113448)

Yeah, I thought the Min-NYG game was a tossup going into it. I wouldn’t be very surprised if the Giants beat the Eagles next week either. Not that the Giants are particularly strong, but moreso the Eagles feel like one of the weakest number one seeds we’ve had. The gap between the 49ers and everyone else in the conference feels like the largest gap we’ve had in quite a while.
56. tonywagner Post

I haven't been following the NFL this year so have no real opinion of my own. The betting odds think the 49ers and Cowboys are close though, considering the spread is 3.5 or so (I'm seeing 2.5 to 4) with the 49ers at home.

76. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 17, 2023 at 11:01 AM (#6113451)

I think there’s kind of a disbelief that Brock Purdy could be as good as he’s looked so far. And I get it; he’s only played half a season and could be a flash in the pan. But he’s also been getting better and the team has so many offensive weapons- McCaffrey, Deebo Samuel, and Kittle are all among the top players at their positions. And the defense has for the most part been rock solid as well. Bosa is a beast. If I was someone who bet on sports, I wouldn’t hesitate to take the 49ers.

But, fwiw, the 538 model says the 49ers should be just 2.5 point favorites. Their model also hates Brock Purdy, giving him a 105 rating compared to a 153 for Garapolo. I’m not sure how those numbers work, but it looks like an average starter is around 150 in their ratings.

77. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: January 17, 2023 at 11:56 AM (#6113453)

I don't follow the NFL too much these days, but my schoolboy heart still has embers for the 49ers from the Rice/Montana days. It's been fun seeing a rookie have some success for them, but yeah, he has some pretty good tools to work with.

78. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: January 17, 2023 at 12:35 PM (#6113454)

I'll admit it, I'm petty. When I see a team in the playoffs with a losing record because they "won their division" no matter how inept the division was, and then the NFL actually rewards their ineptitude by letting them host playoff games against teams with much better records, I want to see them buried in a game that isn't even close. Every single time. So that people finally understand they didn't belong in the playoffs to start with. So when I saw Dallas thoroughly dominate the Bucs my petty side smiled.

Disagree. This is not petty.

79. McCoy Posted: January 18, 2023 at 06:11 AM (#6113547)

I think Brock has shown that he can be a perfectly ok QB. He's at the very least the type of QB that can get your team to 6 to 9 wins without a very good offense. He's probably got a backup QB job at the very least guaranteed for the next 10 years. The big test will be health. How much does he slip when he's banged up? How many hits can he take before he's on the sideline?

80. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: January 21, 2023 at 04:41 PM (#6113848)

Mahomes showing off the whole repertoire on the first Kansas City drive.

81. bestergonomicgamingchair.com Posted: January 21, 2023 at 05:15 PM (#6113853)

And now he's on a leg and a half ... which is potentially huge.

82. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2023 at 05:34 PM (#6113856)

where's koy detmer when you need him?

83. JJ1986 Posted: January 21, 2023 at 08:58 PM (#6113867)

I had completely forgotten that Robert Quinn was on the Eagles.

84. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2023 at 09:11 PM (#6113869)

tHe eAgLeS FeEl lIkE OnE Of tHe wEaKeSt nUmBeR OnE SeEdS We’vE HaD

85. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: January 21, 2023 at 09:11 PM (#6113870)

Guess it was too much to ask for two good games today.

86. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2023 at 09:14 PM (#6113871)

Guess it was too much to ask for two good games today.

i'm enjoying this one.

I had completely forgotten that Robert Quinn was on the Eagles.

yup. guy had 18 sacks last year, and the eagles got him at the deadline for a 4th round pick because he was banged up. the eagles put him on ice for the last 2 months, and now, we'll get to see what he has left. him, suh and vance joseph made for one hell of a midseason shot in the arm, right when the defensive line was getting banged up.

this defensive line could be ####### monstrous if they're at full strength for the next month.

87. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2023 at 09:24 PM (#6113872)

i'd also like to point out that the eagles' general manager is still howie roseman.

guy won a power struggle over andy reid; he went into exile for a year because of chip kelly, and then he came back after kelly flopped as GM; he won another power struggle over super bowl champion dougie p. against all odds (and better judgement, imo), like the proverbial twinkie in the apocalypse, howie roseman is still ####### here. the mind bottles.

88. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2023 at 09:37 PM (#6113873)

over/under: 2.5 future hall of famers on the eagles offense.

keep in mind:
jalen hurts, aj brown, devonta smith, jordan mailata, landon dickerson (and miles sanders, but he has 0% chance at the HoF without being the second coming of curtis martin or frank gore) are all under 25 years old.

89. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2023 at 09:58 PM (#6113874)

"you've gotta throw it better"

- daryl johnston(?), on daniel jones, as a replay shows a perfect spiral floating between his receiver's hands, 25 yards downfield.

90. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2023 at 10:00 PM (#6113875)

"Daniel Jones got hit so hard his contact lens came out" is a perfect description of how badly the Eagles kicked New York's ass in the first half. Also happens to be exactly what happened.

91. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 21, 2023 at 10:34 PM (#6113878)

Ok, the Eagles are making me look silly for doubting them.

92. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2023 at 10:42 PM (#6113879)

Ok, the Eagles are making me look silly for doubting them.

yeah, they are.

#######, that's one hell of a stamp to put on this ####### game. jesus, gainwell.

93. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2023 at 10:43 PM (#6113880)

i'm not sure the giants plan of not putting anyone on the line of scrimmage is a good idea against the best offensive line in the NFL running a 4-minute offense.

94. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: January 21, 2023 at 10:55 PM (#6113882)

jones is going to need some new contact lenses after that wallop.

95. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: January 22, 2023 at 11:01 AM (#6113896)

Well, I don't know if the Eagles are posers, but the Giants definitely were, so not sure we can conclude much from the outcome.

96. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

Posted: January 22, 2023 at 11:28 AM (#6113898)

I don't think at this point there's anything other than injuries and luck that conclusively separate the Eagles, 49ers, Bills, Bengals and Chiefs from one another. The Eagles may look more dominant on the surface, but 8 of their 17 games were against the weak sister NFC North and AFC South divisions. They've yet to play any of the other four surviving teams in that above list.

97. Adam M

Posted: January 22, 2023 at 12:04 PM (#6113905)

The Eagles are like Derek Jeter; they aren't as good as their fans think they are, but they also aren't as bad as their detractors claim.

98. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: January 22, 2023 at 01:18 PM (#6113917)

The Eagles are like Derek Jeter; they aren't as good as their fans think they are, but they also aren't as bad as their detractors claim.

given that the eagles started the season 13-1, i would argue that eagles fans have been fairly restrained, relative to what we could have been like all year.

I don't think at this point there's anything other than injuries and luck that conclusively separate the Eagles, 49ers, Bills, Bengals and Chiefs from one another. The Eagles may look more dominant on the surface, but 8 of their 17 games were against the weak sister NFC North and AFC South divisions. They've yet to play any of the other four surviving teams in that above list.

all 4 of the teams in the NFC east finished with a winning(/ish) record, three of them won playoff games, and two of them are still alive.

the schedule isn't a valid knock against the eagles.

99. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

Posted: January 22, 2023 at 02:22 PM (#6113928)

According to PFB-Refernce's Strength of Schedule, the Eagles had the 3rd/4th easiest schedule in the entire NFL. The easiest was the 49ers. Of the remaining teams, the Bengals and the Bills had the toughest road to where they are now.

100. Tony S Posted: January 22, 2023 at 03:25 PM (#6113933)

Flippity

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