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Under the first proposal that was voted through, the AFC Championship will now be played at a neutral-site game if any of the three following scenarios are met:

Scenario 1: If Buffalo and Kansas City both win or both tie in Week 18, then a Buffalo vs. Kansas City championship game would be at a neutral site.
Scenario 2: If the Bills and Chiefs both lose in Week 18 and Baltimore wins or ties with the Bengals, then a Buffalo vs. Kansas City championship game would be at a neutral site.
Scenario 3: If Buffalo and Kansas City both lose and Cincinnati beats Baltimore, then a Bills or Bengals vs. Chiefs championship game would be at a neutral site.

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301. SoSH U at work Posted: January 30, 2023 at 03:35 PM (#6115180)

Flip.

302. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: January 30, 2023 at 04:13 PM (#6115184)

those are not the scores of a team that was fattening up on the little sisters of the poor.

Crushing weak teams is positively correlated with team strength, so it would be fine if they had.

And I wasn't suggesting that a weak schedule = weak teams. For obvious reasons, it's just a bit easier to get more wins against a weak schedule than a strong one. Of the 5 teams with the weakest schedules, you have Philadelphia, San Francisco, Kansas City, Jacksonville and Houston. Four division winners, there.

303. SoSH U at work Posted: January 30, 2023 at 04:22 PM (#6115185)

And I wasn't suggesting that a weak schedule = weak teams. For obvious reasons, it's just a bit easier to get more wins against a weak schedule than a strong one. Of the 5 teams with the weakest schedules, you have Philadelphia, San Francisco, Kansas City, Jacksonville and Houston. Four division winners, there.

Also, your schedule is naturally weaker if you are really good. The Chiefs got two games against the lowly Broncos, whereas the Broncos had to play the Chiefs twice.

304. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: January 30, 2023 at 04:31 PM (#6115186)

Every NFL team wants a Mahomes at quarterback, but there are only so many of those to go around. The next best thing, as we’ve found out from a few franchises this season, is finding a passer who can produce on a rookie contract and let his team spend big money elsewhere. And that’s what makes this matchup so compelling: Mahomes is everything NFL teams want their quarterback to be. The Eagles are everything an NFL quarterback wants their team to be. Kansas City has found the ultimate franchise quarterback—the kind who will keep his team in title contention as long as he’s healthy. And Philadelphia has built a roster that’s too good to fail. Super Bowl LVII will be a testing ground pitting these two roster builds against one another

305. McCoy Posted: January 30, 2023 at 04:42 PM (#6115187)

That's not really two distinct builds. One flows into the other. Find a very good QB out of college. Sign him to a rookie contract that largely let's you control him for up tp 5 years cheaply. While that's happening you spend money elsewhere on the roster. After 5 years if your QB is really good you then concentrate on finding cheap players via the draft for those other positions.

306. Zach Posted: January 30, 2023 at 05:14 PM (#6115193)

The next best thing, as we’ve found out from a few franchises this season, is finding a passer who can produce on a rookie contract and let his team spend big money elsewhere.

This is overthinking it. Get the right guy at quarterback and spend the money wisely while he's cheap. But trying to time when the rest of the roster is going to be good to coincide to the cheap years of a good young quarterback is a sucker's game.

307. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: January 30, 2023 at 08:30 PM (#6115205)

Last week, the Dallas Cowboys’ playoff run ended the same way their last 11 have—without a trip to the conference championship. For one fan, squatting maybe four feet from the TV, this was apparently more than he could take. He leapt to his feet and—in front of a room full of people—punched a massive crater in the screen. The impact sounded like the popping of a very large balloon. The screen instantly went dark. He then lifted the TV off the console table, smashed it over his knee WWE-style, and unleashed a primal scream.

This display, captured on video and turned into a pair of viral TikToks last week, might seem completely psychotic. And make no mistake—it is! But it’s also fully in keeping with a great sporting tradition. When things don’t go their way, most fans are content to sulk. Some might curse and shout a little. But for certain fans—more, perhaps, than you would think—that is not enough. For them, the thing to do is to destroy their TV. And then post about it online. Obviously.
[...]
If football fans are far and away the most TV-destructive sports fans, then Cowboy fans are far and away the most TV-destructive football fans. In a way, this makes sense: No team has combined a sense of entitlement to victory with a consistent failure to achieve it in quite the way Dallas has over the past 25 years. Even so, the degree of violence is remarkable. Highlights include the man who shot his TV with a handgun—not the way Elvis used to; more like a hitman finishing the job—and the man who ran over his TV with a pickup truck. These videos are of course funny on first viewing, but they’re also depressing when you think about them a little too hard.

The video jumps ahead in time. Garrett is now picking up shards of glass. He is calm, if not exactly contrite. “Garrett, you seriously can’t do this every single time something bad happens,” the woman says.

“Well,” he answers, without missing a beat, “it’s the playoffs.”

308. Russlan is not Russian Posted: January 30, 2023 at 10:39 PM (#6115220)

So, Brock Purdy probably has a torn UCL. I hope this means that means that Trey Lance gets a chance to be QB1. You hope that Purdy is OK and he doesn't lose any arm strength long-term (he's probably not a guy who can afford to do that.) The worst thing that could happen in my eyes is this leads to Brady become a Niner after they trade Lance as well.

309. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: January 30, 2023 at 10:44 PM (#6115221)

Purdy had surgery on the UCL today, apparently. (edit: It was announced and scheduled today but will take place in a few days.)It'll be a close race to see if he can make it back to full health before Lance's annual season ending injury.

Not that I personally feel very bad for them, but boy howdy were the Bengals carjacked by the refs yesterday.

I am a very long way from being an Eagles fan, but I would probably take Hurts over any quarterback not named Pat Mahomes right now. He does most of what Josh Allen does, without the profound lack of intelligence. It might just all be scheme and blocking. But it's hard to separate any quarterback from his scheme and blocking. Hurts is mobile, will tuck and run instead of forcing a throw if nothing is there, and is impressively accurate in the mid range. Oh, and though I admit he's not in Josh Allen's league in this area, he can flop like a Spanish soccer player. Those are the things you want from a modern quarterback.

IMO the over-the-top protection of quarterbacks even when they've become runners confers such a massive advantage to a mobile quarterback that it's pretty much required to be an elite quarterback now.

310. Russlan is not Russian Posted: January 30, 2023 at 11:09 PM (#6115226)

Purdy had surgery on the UCL today, apparently. (edit: It was announced and scheduled today but will take place in a few days.)It'll be a close race to see if he can make it back to full health before Lance's annual season ending injury.

I mean Purdy didn't last half a season without getting a season ending injury as well. 3 QBs got season ending injuries in the same year. It's incredible.

311. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: January 30, 2023 at 11:33 PM (#6115229)

I am a very long way from being an Eagles fan, but I would probably take Hurts over any quarterback not named Pat Mahomes right now. He does most of what Josh Allen does, without the profound lack of intelligence. It might just all be scheme and blocking. But it's hard to separate any quarterback from his scheme and blocking. Hurts is mobile, will tuck and run instead of forcing a throw if nothing is there, and is impressively accurate in the mid range

his intangibles are immeasurable, and he squats 600 lbs in the offseason.

he can flop like a Spanish soccer player

eh, i haven't noticed that. but maybe...

312. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 31, 2023 at 01:14 AM (#6115235)

I’d put Hurts as the number 4 QB in the league right now: Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Hurts in that order.

313. KronicFatigue Posted: January 31, 2023 at 09:08 AM (#6115248)

These videos are of course funny on first viewing, but they’re also depressing when you think about them a little too hard.

I don't find them funny on first viewing. These videos show up in my IG feed, and I find them disturbing. It's violent and stupid and bad for the environment. This one in particular sounded like it scared his guests/family (I hear a scream in the background). Even if you can afford to just have disposable tvs, there are 10000000 better ways to use your money. I'm also have convinced it's all performance art to get imaginary internet points.

And I get these videos because espn/sportscenter accounts are reposting them!

314. Dolf Lucky Posted: January 31, 2023 at 03:47 PM (#6115315)

I’d put Hurts as the number 4 QB in the league right now: Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Hurts in that order.

I'm curious of your rationale for Allen > Burrow.

315. Moeball Posted: February 01, 2023 at 10:05 PM (#6115461)

I can't believe all the comments I'm seeing online from people claiming that Mahomes flopped when pushed by Ossei. Seriously?

316. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: February 01, 2023 at 10:31 PM (#6115464)

Manchester United are small but significant favorites over Newcastle United for the EFL cup final: 56/44.

317. SoSH U at work Posted: February 01, 2023 at 10:53 PM (#6115467)

Wrong football thread, Bea.

318. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: February 02, 2023 at 07:49 AM (#6115475)

I can't believe all the comments I'm seeing online from people claiming that Mahomes flopped when pushed by Ossei. Seriously?

Some people just like to hate. #### 'em.

319. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: February 02, 2023 at 10:05 AM (#6115479)

I can't believe all the comments I'm seeing online from people claiming that Mahomes flopped when pushed by Ossei. Seriously?

Well, he did, but only in the same way every quarterback flops when touched out of bounds. It's so ubiquitous he'd risk not drawing the flag if he didn't do it.

If you want to see a masterclass on flopping, Josh Allen is the guy to watch.

320. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 03, 2023 at 01:21 AM (#6115548)

[314] Allen is more dynamic and can create plays with his rushing, granted turnovers have been a big problem for him.

[317] Since those numbers line up with 538 (currently off by a point, but sometimes those numbers fluctuate slightly), I think Bea might be saying that the Eagles are analogous to Manchester United, while the Eagles are analogous to Newcastle United and the Super Bowl’s equivalent in the Premier League is the EFL Cup. Or maybe he did get confused about which thread this is. I don’t know enough about soccer to say whether any of those analogies would make sense.

321. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: February 03, 2023 at 07:55 AM (#6115552)

Just the wrong thread... the money line for the Superbowl is even closer than that, at about 53/47 to Philly.

322. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: February 03, 2023 at 12:34 PM (#6115584)

Speaking of, has there been a fundamental shift in the NFL away from truly dominant teams? This will be the fourteenth superbowl in a row where the spread is 5 points or less. Prior to the post-2010 year superbowl, there were only four superbowls with spreads below 6 points in the previous twenty-four years. Even before that, spreads of 5 or less happened only about half the time.

Stated another way, there have been as many 5-point or less spread superbowls in the last 14 years as there were in the previous 43 combined.

323. McCoy Posted: February 03, 2023 at 01:22 PM (#6115589)

Or put another way have we gotten better at aligning the spread?

324. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: February 03, 2023 at 02:12 PM (#6115605)

Underdogs have outright won 8 of those last 13 superbowls, and only 6 of the previous 24, so it seems like they are actually closer matches.

Against the spread, underdogs have gone 9 of the last 13. That's not very good. 11 of 24 with three pushes prior to that, which was close to perfect (against the spread, such as it was, anyway). If that indicates anything, we are getting worse at aligning the spread.

It's probably too small sample size to indicate anything about spread alignments, but it is a strong indication that superbowls are actually closer games now.

325. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: February 03, 2023 at 02:29 PM (#6115613)

Average margin of victory over last 13 games: 10.5 points. Median: 8 points.

Average margin of victory over prior 24 games: 15 points. Median: 12 points.

326. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: February 03, 2023 at 03:52 PM (#6115626)

Speaking of, has there been a fundamental shift in the NFL away from truly dominant teams? This will be the fourteenth superbowl in a row where the spread is 5 points or less. Prior to the post-2010 year superbowl, there were only four superbowls with spreads below 6 points in the previous twenty-four years. Even before that, spreads of 5 or less happened only about half the time.

Well, on the surface it seems a reasonable assertion. During the years between the demise of the Steel Curtain and the rise of full free agency and the hard salary cap, the AFC became practically a minor league. Then it turned around for another 15 years while Brady and Manning dominated the league (with a little help from the Steelers). It's still eye popping to me that there was an 18 year period, 2001 to 2018, during which the AFC's quarterback for 16 of the 18 Super Bowls was Brady, Manning, or Roethlisberger.

327. JJ1986 Posted: February 03, 2023 at 03:58 PM (#6115627)

The Brady/Patriots Super Bowls were almost all very close games for one reason or another.

328. SoSH U at work Posted: February 03, 2023 at 04:19 PM (#6115630)

The Brady/Patriots Super Bowls were almost all very close games for one reason or another.

They were all one score (theoretically) until that terrible last one.

329. Zach Posted: February 03, 2023 at 05:06 PM (#6115636)

I can't believe all the comments I'm seeing online from people claiming that Mahomes flopped when pushed by Ossei. Seriously?

The KC Star asked him about it. He says the ankle hurt most when he tried to stop, so when he got shoved he decided to roll with it.

330. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 03, 2023 at 11:03 PM (#6115658)

There was a stretch in which the NFC won 13 straight SBs and most were blowouts (though one exception was the infamous wide right game). But for the last 25 years, they’ve mostly been pretty competitive.

331. Moeball Posted: February 05, 2023 at 06:54 PM (#6115854)

#330 I miss those years when the real Super Bowl every season was the NFC championship game! NY, WAS, SF, DAL would often duke it out for the right to pulverize Denver or Buffalo. Most people don't like anticlimactic blowout championship games but I loved them because I made a small fortune off of them they were sure things! Easiest bets I ever won. Why, in 1988, when DEN lost 42-10 to WAS, the Golden Nugget in Vegas was the only sports book that would take bets on which team would have more rushing yardage. The guys at Caesar's told me they weren't even listing that because it was a sucker bet. Elway was Denver's entire offense, even if they won it wouldn't be because of any running attack. Washington, meanwhile, had the Hogs. There was zero % chance of the Broncos getting more rushing yardage so the books wouldn't even list it as a possible wager. I looked all over Vegas and no one would touch it. Except for the Golden Nugget. They were willing to hand me their $$ so I took it.

Now the Super Bowl tends to be much more competitive. Yes, it makes for a more watchable game for most people, but I don't make nearly the same money any more. Sigh.

332. Howie Menckel Posted: February 05, 2023 at 07:07 PM (#6115857)

Why, in 1988, when DEN lost 42-10 to WAS,

Denver led 10-0 in the second quarter of that game, iirc.

if "in-play betting" had been around then (don't think it was), you could have bet the Skins to win with favorable odds at that point!

333. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 05, 2023 at 11:31 PM (#6115873)

In the 17 Jalen Hurts games this year, the Eagles have:

1) Rushed for more yards as an offense than they have allowed passing yards on defense

2) Rushed for more yards per carry on offense than they have allowed net yards per pass on defense

Two truly insane stats. pic.twitter.com/FdAY9GA7gP

— Football Perspective (@fbgchase) February 4, 2023

Football Perspective @fbgchase
Since 1990, just one team -- the 2009 ground and pound Jets with Darrelle Revis -- have rushed for more yards as an offense than they allowed passing yards to opponents.

2019 Ravens came up 19 yards short.

334. smileyy Posted: February 05, 2023 at 11:40 PM (#6115874)

Why, in 1988, when DEN lost 42-10 to WAS

The first Super Bowl(TM) with a Black starting quarterback! Who was reportedly asked at media day "How long have you been a Black quarterback?" I'm guessing neither quarterback this year gets asked that question.

335. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 06, 2023 at 03:47 AM (#6115878)

The first Super Bowl(TM) with a Black starting quarterback! Who was reportedly asked at media day "How long have you been a Black quarterback?" I'm guessing neither quarterback this year gets asked that question.

in fairness, the superbowl does draw a large number of foreign reporters, and some (most) of the countries those reporters come from don't have a 400+ year old history of chattel slavery that resulted in black people playing quarterback for their local pro football teams.

336. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 06, 2023 at 09:32 PM (#6115990)

The Eagles have sacked opposing quarterbacks on 11.5 percent of their pass plays—the highest mark of any defense since at least 2000. The difference in sack rate between the Eagles and no. 2 Patriots this season was the same as the difference between the Patriots and the no. 29 Bengals. And the Eagles do it, for the most part, without blitzing. Their sack rate actually increased (11.8 percent) when they rushed four or fewer defenders.
[...]
the Eagles finished fourth in DVOA against tight ends this season.
[...]
In 17 games with Hurts, the Eagles ranked second in offensive DVOA, but they didn’t play their best down the stretch, including in their two postseason games [57i66135-note: the eagles won those two postseason games by a combined score of 69-14; how much better do people want this offense to play?]
[...]
The Eagles have been the best rushing team in the NFL, and it hasn’t been close. The difference in DVOA between them and no. 2 was roughly the same as the difference between no. 2 and no. 9.
[...]
The Eagles are experiencing near unprecedented injury luck going into this game. [...The] Chiefs aren’t quite in the same boat. Reid told reporters last week that wide receiver Mecole Hardman is doubtful for the Super Bowl. [cornerback L’Jarius Sneed], wide receivers JuJu Smith-Schuster and Kadarius Toney, and linebacker Willie Gay Jr. all remain questionable. We’ll learn more about the status of those players throughout the week.

25 Things You Need to Know About the Eagles and Chiefs

337. Howie Menckel Posted: February 06, 2023 at 10:14 PM (#6115993)

Eagles had the 31st toughest schedule, Chiefs 16th according to some guy on Twitter so it must be true.

teams with much easier schedules (10 places or more) have lost 10 of their last 12 Super Bowl matchups.
that's counting the Patriots beating the Falcons in 2017 - and that wasn't so much a murder as it was a suicide.

the other exception since 2004 was in 2013, 49ers with tougher sked lost to Ravens 13-3.

a) not a perfect stat and
b) injuries noted above could trump all

338. SoSH U at work Posted: February 06, 2023 at 10:35 PM (#6115994)

49ers with tougher sked lost to Ravens 13-3

What is the 13-3 referring to? That was the score of the Pats-Rams snorefest and the Niners' record the last time they made the Super Bowl. But when the Ravens beat SF in the more notable brother battle than Center vs. Tight End, it was 34-31.

339. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 06, 2023 at 11:35 PM (#6115996)

"The Eagles had an easy schedule."
Best records in NFL history vs. winning teams:

9-1 … 1969 Vikings
9-1 … 2007 Patriots
9-1 … 2022 Eagles @Stathead

— Reuben Frank (@RoobNBCS) January 30, 2023

and from the link in [336]:

...when the Eagles faced playoff teams, they went 7-1 with a plus-115 point differential. That was 51 points better than any other team. And their one loss to a playoff team (to the Cowboys, in Week 16) came with Gardner Minshew at quarterback.

340. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 06, 2023 at 11:49 PM (#6115997)

Andy Reid greetings #Eagles players.

Peep the Kelce beard grab toward the end: pic.twitter.com/yZUH4t67XF

— EJ Smith (@EJSmith94) February 7, 2023

341. Howie Menckel Posted: February 07, 2023 at 12:29 AM (#6115998)

the Eagles beat the 2022-23 Giants 3 times - a team that was outscored in the regular season.

talk about "padding the stats." great job of coaching a poor team, but c'mon.

also beat the Vikings, also outscored in the regular season. not exactly Murderer's Row.

give us the "signature win" for this season's Eagles team.

ideally, it's even more impressive than the Chiefs beating the Bengals.

342. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 07, 2023 at 12:49 AM (#6115999)

The Eagles’ opponents had a cumulative .566 winning percentage, which was the highest in the league: Source

343. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: February 07, 2023 at 01:38 AM (#6116000)

From Aaron Schatz:

Right, the teams the Eagles played with winning records (in the regular season) were not top teams by DVOA, except Dallas.

DAL 6
DET 9
GB 12
JAX 13
NYG 21
MIN 27

And their other opponents were pretty bad.

Reminder: Chiefs had the No. 29 schedule by DVOA so it really isn't the case that the Eagles had a way, way easier schedule than the Chiefs. They both got through easy regular-season schedules.

344. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 07, 2023 at 01:55 AM (#6116001)

give us the "signature win" for this season's Eagles team.

are we still playing make believe and pretending that knocking 2 QBs out of the NFC championship game, and winning 31-7, isn't impressive?

how about rushing for 360 yards vs. the packers, in primetime? that kind of victory seems like it has a kind of distinguishing characteristic. some might call it hancockian.

but no; none of that could possibly be as impressive as a 23-20 win at home, in a game that the NFL bent over backwards trying to gift to you.

345. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 07, 2023 at 02:01 AM (#6116002)

KC and PHI had 6 common opponents.

PHI went 6-0.
KC went 6-1 (with 2 OT wins).

KC:

Week           OT                  Opp   Tm  Opp
1               W    Arizona Cardinals   44   21
3               L   Indianapolis Colts   17   20
7               W  San Francisco 49ers   44   23
9           W  OT     Tennessee Titans   20   17
10              W Jacksonville Jaguars   27   17
15          W  OT       Houston Texans   30   24
Division        W Jacksonville Jaguars   27   20 

PHI:

Week               OT                  Opp   Tm  Opp
4                   W Jacksonville Jaguars   29   21
5                   W    Arizona Cardinals   20   17
9                   W       Houston Texans   29   17
11                  W   Indianapolis Colts   17   16
13                  W     Tennessee Titans   35   10
Conf. Champ.        W  San Francisco 49ers   31    7 

346. Moeball Posted: February 07, 2023 at 04:55 AM (#6116003)

We shall see if Philly is better than KC. I know a lot of years it comes down to the QBs, which should favor KC, but I think Philly has the better lines, and most games are won at the line of scrimmage, so QBs may not matter that much.

My real question, and I don't think there's much doubt, but isn't this Philly team significantly better than the version that beat the Patriots a few years back?

347. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: February 07, 2023 at 03:19 PM (#6116051)

The irony of the Chiefs poor strength of schedule is that the schedule looked to be -- and was quantified as -- absolutely brutal in the pre-season. Games against the Cardinals, Colts, Bucs, Bills, 49ers, Rams and Bengals, as well as a tough divisional schedule. Then the Cardinals, Colts and Rams collapsed (didn't stop the Colts from beating the Chiefs, naturally), the Bucs spent the year mired in tedious mediocrity and the entire AFC West fell apart.

348. Nasty Nate Posted: February 07, 2023 at 04:11 PM (#6116055)

The irony of the Chiefs poor strength of schedule is that the schedule looked to be -- and was quantified as -- absolutely brutal in the pre-season. Games against the Cardinals, Colts, Bucs, Bills, 49ers, Rams and Bengals, as well as a tough divisional schedule. Then the Cardinals, Colts and Rams collapsed (didn't stop the Colts from beating the Chiefs, naturally), the Bucs spent the year mired in tedious mediocrity and the entire AFC West fell apart.

This is all true. However, I will say that the Chargers, Raiders, and Broncos went 10-5, 6-9, and 5-10 against non-Chiefs opponents. So definitely mediocre, but not automatic wins.

349. Zach Posted: February 07, 2023 at 06:27 PM (#6116064)

the schedule looked to be -- and was quantified as -- absolutely brutal in the pre-season.

Yes, it looked and felt like an absolute monster schedule for most of the season.

350. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 09, 2023 at 11:56 PM (#6116376)

The Eagles scored more points off of drives where they went for it on 4th down than any team in the NFL—or any team *this century.* Nick Sirianni’s aggression is a huge edge in a game where possessing the football means everything. pic.twitter.com/AJEhORTW81

— Mina Kimes (@minakimes) February 8, 2023

351. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: February 10, 2023 at 08:07 AM (#6116386)

The line on the game is back down to Pilly at -1.5. That's where it opened up, or maybe even slightly tighter.

352. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: February 10, 2023 at 08:09 AM (#6116387)

The line on the game is back down to Pilly at -1.5. That's where it opened up, or maybe even slightly tighter.

Got to think Mahomes winning the MVP influenced bettors a little bit

353. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 10, 2023 at 11:27 AM (#6116405)

The number of Black quarterbacks has soared in the NFL over the past 25 years, and it was only a matter of time before two of them faced each other in the Super Bowl.

Sunday’s championship game will pit the Kansas City Chiefs’ Patrick Mahomes against the Philadelphia Eagles’ Jalen Hurts. Only seven Black quarterbacks have played in a Super Bowl, and just three—including Mahomes—have won. That a record 11 NFL teams had Black starting quarterbacks on opening day of the current season suggests that matchups like this year’s will soon be commonplace. But the fact that no such game has taken place before Super Bowl LVII underscores the plight of the Black quarterback for most of the NFL’s century-long history.
[...]
“I think about all of the [Black] quarterbacks that came through Philly: Randall Cunningham, Rodney Peete, Donovan McNabb, Mike Vick,” Hurts told reporters during a pre–Super Bowl media session. “This franchise, the history we have of African American quarterbacks—that speaks for itself. I told those guys I want to carry that torch for them.”
[...]
in 1934, the NFL banned Black players at the initiative of the former Washington owner George Preston Marshall, who once said, “We’ll start signing Negroes when the Harlem Globetrotters start signing whites.” The ban remained in place for 12 years.

354. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: February 10, 2023 at 03:51 PM (#6116440)

If I had to guess when approximately two black quarterbacks first faced each other in the superbowl, I would have guessed a decade ago.

I hope I live to the point where it just never occurs to anyone to keep having this conversation, but maybe even pro football will never outlive it, let alone me.

355. JJ1986 Posted: February 10, 2023 at 04:14 PM (#6116441)

If I had to guess when approximately two black quarterbacks first faced each other in the superbowl, I would have guessed a decade ago.

I think between McNair and Mahomes, all of the black QBs in the Super Bowl were in the NFC. There were only 4 QBs who made the Super Bowl from the AFC at all during a 15-year period.

356. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 10, 2023 at 08:15 PM (#6116460)

1934, the NFL banned Black players at the initiative of the former Washington owner

Dan Snyder is often considered the worst owner currently in North American professional sports, so franchise tradition I guess.

357. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 10, 2023 at 08:48 PM (#6116463)

If I had to guess when approximately two black quarterbacks first faced each other in the superbowl, I would have guessed a decade ago.

I hope I live to the point where it just never occurs to anyone to keep having this conversation, but maybe even pro football will never outlive it, let alone me.

i don't think you mean it this way, but the idea that people shouldn't celebrate how far we've come, that we shouldn't remember how hard we've had to fight (and against who, and why), that we shouldn't honor the pioneers who blazed the trail that got us here, it's not the idyllic future you think it is.

the people who benefit from that history being forgotten aren't the people who suffered or the ones who overcame; the people who benefit from that history being buried are the ones who perpetrated it and the ones who continue to benefit from it.

358. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 10, 2023 at 10:07 PM (#6116474)

good news, everyone:

Mark Evans, Fox Sports’ VP of ad sales , told AP earlier this week that there will be “zero representation” for crypto companies during the day of Super Bowl LVII this Sunday. According to Evans, there were two crypto companies already booked for commercials this year, but after FTX collapsed and declared bankruptcy, and after its CEO Sam Bankman-Fried was indicted on federal fraud charges, those two unnamed companies backed out.

359. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 11, 2023 at 10:12 PM (#6116574)

If the Eagles win the Super Bowl, Miles Sanders will have the most rushing yards on a Super Bowl champion since Corey Dillon back in 2004. pic.twitter.com/lRmjM1t2Qa

— Football Perspective (@fbgchase) February 11, 2023

360. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

Posted: February 11, 2023 at 11:40 PM (#6116579)

Why, in 1988, when DEN lost 42-10 to WAS,

Denver led 10-0 in the second quarter of that game, iirc.

And only the fact that the Redskins recovered their own fumble on the kickoff after the second score prevented the Broncos from likely making it 17 to 0. That near-turnover was the turning point of the game.

361. McCoy Posted: February 12, 2023 at 06:31 AM (#6116585)

To paraphrase an old Redskin. If they hadn't of recovered that fumble they would have won 42-17.

362. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 06:19 PM (#6116662)

crowd sounds about 80/20.

363. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 06:30 PM (#6116665)

what the #### is going on?

kickoff is supposed to be at 6:20.

364. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 06:34 PM (#6116667)

jesus christ. get the military's dick out of your throat and let's play some ####### football.

365. Tony S Posted: February 12, 2023 at 06:42 PM (#6116669)

First appearance of the word "adversity"!

366. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 06:42 PM (#6116670)

how is this still not ####### started?

367. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 06:43 PM (#6116671)

"superbowl 57 starts now!
...right after this commercial break"

368. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 06:44 PM (#6116672)

and we are live.

thank ####### chris.

369. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 06:50 PM (#6116673)

okay, that's a decent start.

370. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 06:52 PM (#6116674)

was there even any doubt?

371. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 06:54 PM (#6116675)

terrible coaching job there at the goalline from KC.

you need to tell your guys to jump the snap and just ####### bull over the entire offensive line. take the half-inch penalty, but send a ####### message.

372. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:00 PM (#6116677)

oh, ffs.

373. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:15 PM (#6116679)

go for it, you pussies.

374. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:16 PM (#6116680)

or, do that, i guess.

play safe, lose anyway.

375. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama

Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:18 PM (#6116681)

My son won a doink bet!

376. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:22 PM (#6116682)

hurts needs to get back to handing the ball off there.

you had 5 men in the box; just let the RB take care of that one.

377. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:23 PM (#6116683)

this offense needs to start threatening some verticality.

378. JJ1986 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:25 PM (#6116684)

#### the game, Michael Keaton is back.

379. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:26 PM (#6116685)

this offense needs to start threatening some verticality.

THERE WE ####### GO.

380. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:28 PM (#6116686)

"what the #### just happened?"

- KC DC steve spagnuolo.

381. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:31 PM (#6116688)

now it's time to ride the ####### hogs and start putting this game away.

382. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:38 PM (#6116689)

huh

383. Tony S Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:39 PM (#6116690)

Well, that shifted quickly.

384. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:39 PM (#6116691)

huh

385. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:39 PM (#6116692)

huh

386. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:39 PM (#6116693)

huh?

387. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:39 PM (#6116694)

huh?????

388. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:40 PM (#6116695)

huh??????????????????????????

389. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:43 PM (#6116696)

"that was my fault"

you don't ####### say....

390. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:48 PM (#6116699)

this turf is dogshit.

391. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 07:52 PM (#6116701)

the chiefs kick a FG on 4th and 2, and they miss

the eagles go for it on 4th and 1, and they go for it again on 4th and 5, and they go for it again on 4th and 2, and they go on to score a TD.

392. Tony S Posted: February 12, 2023 at 08:01 PM (#6116703)

Those yellow gloves look too much like penalty markers.

393. Tony S Posted: February 12, 2023 at 08:03 PM (#6116705)

Uh oh

394. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 08:04 PM (#6116706)

that replay did not even look that bad, as far as ankle sprains go.

395. Tony S Posted: February 12, 2023 at 08:09 PM (#6116707)

I think that was a catch

396. Hombre Brotani

Posted: February 12, 2023 at 08:10 PM (#6116708)

This is what I tune in for: the endlessly looping replays as we talk about whether or not a catch is a catch.

397. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 08:10 PM (#6116709)

i tend to think that's a catch, because i think great playmaking should be rewarded.

i wouldn't be shocked if it's overturned.

398. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 08:15 PM (#6116710)

that was the best that AJ brown has looked in months.

399. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 08:16 PM (#6116711)

Eric Patten @EricPatten
Where was this overturn two weeks ago?

i think it was in kyle shanahan's pocket.

400. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2023 at 08:24 PM (#6116712)

so...

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