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OT - August/September 2021 College Football thread

Bobby Bowden, the longtime Florida State football coach who ranks second all time in Division I wins, has died, the school announced Sunday morning.

He was 91.

...

Bobby Bowden was diagnosed with a terminal medical condition in July. He did not disclose what the condition was at the time, although [son] Terry later told reporters that it was pancreatic cancer.

Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 08, 2021 at 02:34 PM | 257 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 19, 2021 at 02:14 AM (#6040386)
Going for two when leading by four with time for more than one possession is just terrible. It treats a missed extra point as more likely than a touchdown answered by a field goal, a scenario in which the difference between a four- and five-point lead is rather large.
   202. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 19, 2021 at 02:30 AM (#6040387)
Of course, in the touchdown-answered-by-a-touchdown-answered-by-a-touchdown scenario, it becomes immaterial.
   203. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 25, 2021 at 03:29 PM (#6041628)
Klatt admits a 52-yard field goal is a low-probability play, but he advocates it anyway, because, hey, on the off-chance the college kicker makes it, you only need a touchdown, two-point conversion, and probably two defensive stops to get to overtime.
   204. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 25, 2021 at 03:43 PM (#6041630)
Not that going for it on fourth down with a quarterback who can't hit the broad side of a barn was a high-probability play. But at least it has better upside than "if absolutely everything else goes right, we get to penalty kicks."

Do I remember correctly that Wisconsin decided to ride with Metz based on that one big game in his debut? Because every Badger game I've seen since, he's been like 12-for-27 for 156 yards and a pick.
   205. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 04:21 PM (#6041632)
I'm not sure I expected Wisconsin to win today - for all the success they've had through the years, they pretty consistently gag in high-profile games - but I didn't expect them to embarrass themselves.

In other news, I'd like to renew my call to ban regular-season college football games at neutral sites.
   206. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 25, 2021 at 04:33 PM (#6041633)
So, uh, Arkansas.
   207. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 25, 2021 at 05:48 PM (#6041642)
I don't understand how Clemson's offense can be this bad.

   208. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 25, 2021 at 06:04 PM (#6041646)
And because Clemson's defense obviously can't keep up the "Just keep opponents out of the end zone forever" standard, NC State leads 14-7.
   209. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 25, 2021 at 06:35 PM (#6041648)
Clemson has two 80-yard touchdown drives and like nine three-and-outs.
   210. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: September 25, 2021 at 06:43 PM (#6041649)
Michigan stops the State University of New Jersey on a big fourth down and looks to run out the clock on a 20-13 lead.
   211. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: September 25, 2021 at 06:52 PM (#6041650)
And Michigan misses a long field goal, giving Rutgers the ball back with 1:49 to go.
   212. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: September 25, 2021 at 06:54 PM (#6041651)
An opportunity Rutgers immediately blows with a fumble.
   213. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 25, 2021 at 06:56 PM (#6041652)
On the final play of regulation, NC State's kicker misses wide left for the third time.
   214. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:03 PM (#6041654)
Seems like the only play Clemson trusts right now is a DJ Uiagalelei keeper.
   215. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:06 PM (#6041655)
How you do drop 8 into the end zone and still allow a guy to be wide open right over the middle for a TD?

It's one thing to miss FGs, but some things just aren't OK.
   216. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:14 PM (#6041658)
Why wouldn't you go for 2 if you're NC State? I know Clemson's offense has looked mostly terrible, but is trying to outlast them in OT really a sound plan?
   217. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:19 PM (#6041659)
Welp, that explains why they didn't want to go for 2.
   218. Mayor Blomberg Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:22 PM (#6041660)
SEC Crew handling the Auburn game, I take it? One of the worst calls on review that I've seen; I thought those were reserved vor Bama.
   219. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:22 PM (#6041661)
Nifty little play by Mullen to get a touchdown.

Does feel like they're (quite justifiably) terrified of letting Jones throw near the endzone.
   220. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:27 PM (#6041663)
Does feel like they're (quite justifiably) terrified of letting Jones throw near the endzone.

Yeah, and not to nitpick that opening drive, but Jones did try to throw one INT.
   221. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:29 PM (#6041665)
The Brian C that was a fixture at UF games in the mid-90s would be shocked that there would ever be empty seats at a Tennessee/Florida game.

Anyhoo, good for NC State. Way past high time that Clemson gets knocked down a peg or two.
   222. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:37 PM (#6041666)
Jones is really just an OK passer, and his decision-making on these zone reads leaves a lot to be desired, IMO. But he's an extremely patient and disciplined runner.
   223. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:38 PM (#6041667)
Empty set, third and medium, Tennessee comes with a blitz and Jones gets it out fast to an open running back for a first down. Be still my heart.
   224. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:38 PM (#6041668)
Deadball era hurler Logan Smothers now in at QB for the Huskers. Just sounds like he played in 1910.
   225. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:42 PM (#6041669)
I don't know how these guys looked in practice, and I assume there was a reason Howard was starting, but watching Christmann nail a 47-yard field goal, kind of hard not to wonder why he's just now the man.
   226. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:44 PM (#6041670)
Did anyone other than me not know that Ron Zook was the defensive coordinator at Maryland until just now?
   227. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:47 PM (#6041671)
Mike Locksley coaching Ron Zook. I assume Ed Zaunbrecher is the off-field analyst?
   228. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 07:52 PM (#6041672)
Not a bad guess, but according to Wikipedia, Zaunbrecher "is currently the head instructor for the Ed Zaunbrecher Coaching School."

As Dave Barry would say, "I am not making that up."
   229. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: September 25, 2021 at 08:15 PM (#6041679)
I am on my couch, booing this decision to punt on fourth and one.
   230. Brian White Posted: September 25, 2021 at 08:16 PM (#6041680)
Good punt, bad decision.
   231. Brian White Posted: September 25, 2021 at 08:30 PM (#6041682)
Well, this "leave their WRs wide open but let their QB overthrow them" defense works. But it isn't pretty.
   232. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: September 25, 2021 at 08:33 PM (#6041684)
Kick catch interference with targeting, plus unsportsmanlike conduct, is a pretty impressive series of ####-ups for a fair catch.
   233. Brian White Posted: September 25, 2021 at 08:34 PM (#6041685)
What's the record for most penalty yardage for a single play? And did we just break it?
   234. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 08:56 PM (#6041688)
That was a very underwhelming first half.
   235. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 09:09 PM (#6041692)
That drive was the perfect tonic to a very underwhelming first half.
   236. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: September 25, 2021 at 09:11 PM (#6041693)
Not quite as cool as Mullen's "tight end jet sweep to Lucas Krull, turning into a throwback to the QB" play, but it'll do.
   237. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 09:27 PM (#6041696)
LOL Tennessee. The coaches change, but the Vols stay the same.
   238. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 09:34 PM (#6041698)
Also speaking of LOLz, I just noticed that FSU lost again today.

Another brilliant drive. This is more like it.
   239. Brian White Posted: September 25, 2021 at 09:34 PM (#6041699)
I like these stress-free touchdown drives. It's not the Everything Works offense, but it's still pretty efficient.
   240. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 09:45 PM (#6041702)
It's basically the Everything Works offense! They pass; it works. They run; it works. Get backed up by a penalty; convert anyway. Pass is off-target; receiver makes one-handed grab on the sideline. 4th down; easy conversion. Get down in the red zone; easy TD.

More of this going forward, please.

   241. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: September 25, 2021 at 09:45 PM (#6041703)
UF has won so many of these Tennessee games over the last 15 years due to UT incompetence. It's just great.
   242. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 09:51 PM (#6041704)
Don't you have to go for the 4th and 11 against Tennessee????
   243. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: September 25, 2021 at 10:03 PM (#6041705)
Joe Milton! He was a Florida target at one point as a recruit. UF ended up with Emory Jones instead, which feels like a win (though the former commit, Matt Corral, would probably have been even better).
   244. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 10:05 PM (#6041707)
ESPN producers have Arne Harris-level abilities to focus on young women in the crowd shots.

One wonders how terrible Milton needs to be for McElroy to describe him as "a little erratic".
   245. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: September 25, 2021 at 10:09 PM (#6041708)
UF's running back stable is really impressive. Three good players, with slightly different skill sets, but all capable of doing basically everything.
   246. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: September 25, 2021 at 10:15 PM (#6041709)
ESPN producers have Arne Harris-level abilities to focus on young women in the crowd shots.

betty white?
   247. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 10:22 PM (#6041710)
I feel like this game is a good sign for the Gators - play a first half that's basically dogshit against a highly beatable opponent, and then be able to pull away anyway. Granted, Tennessee is compulsively self-destructive, but it really hasn't been very many years since a game like this would have been a tossup.
   248. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 10:24 PM (#6041711)
On the other hand, 1 second left and gamblers everywhere sweating out whether the Vols will cover.
   249. Brian White Posted: September 25, 2021 at 10:24 PM (#6041712)
I don't care about the spread, I just want to more than double up Tennessee.
   250. Brian C Posted: September 25, 2021 at 10:40 PM (#6041715)
Oh, don't get me wrong - I don't care about the spread either, other than one of my favorite things in the world is hearing people bitterly gripe about "backdoor covers".
   251. Howie Menckel Posted: September 25, 2021 at 10:43 PM (#6041716)
NJ legal sportsbooks (all 22 or so of them) did well today with the Rutgers game, as always, not being on the docket.

referendum coming on the November ballot on whether to change this.

it is weird that the state that set the whole gambling expansion thing in motion - for better/worse - plays catch-up on in-state school betting (all other college games, dozens of which drew more betting interest in NJ than Rutgers, have been fair game for 3 years).
   252. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: September 27, 2021 at 02:23 PM (#6041946)
In this play, Brissett catches the snap and almost immediately hurls a near-lateral pass to a completely unscreened Jaylen Waddle, still in the end zone. I count at least five Raiders defenders who are closer to the ball than any Dolphins blockers, and the result is probably what you expect. It was the first completed pass in the Pro-Football Reference database to end up a safety without a fumble or a penalty
video
   253. bunyon Posted: September 27, 2021 at 02:30 PM (#6041947)
@252: OMG. Why? Why throw the ball to a guy in that position? Good grief.
   254. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: September 27, 2021 at 03:21 PM (#6041962)
@252: OMG. Why? Why throw the ball to a guy in that position? Good grief.
you can't let yourself get sacked in the endzone and there was noone within 8 yards of the receiver when brissett made the decision to throw.

this play is example #A for why bad offenses are bad.

the play actually worked....if the QB's first read is the TE. the QB has to see pre-snap that there was noone in the middle of the field, that the defender covering the TE is playing 8 yards off with outside leverage, and that your TE is running a quick inside flash route. if you hit that TE, it's a guaranteed easy 5-10 yard gain. a good offense gets their progression right pre-snap, moves the chains and goes on with their day.

moreover, if you simply count the number of defenders on each side of the field pre-snap, on the strong side (where the play went), you had a 3v4 disadvantage, whereas on the weak side, you had a 2v2. shockingly, 2v2 gives you better odds for success than 3v4. this means the receiver who ate that safety shouldn't even have been the QBs 2nd read. it means that pre-snap, that WR should have been brissett's 4th read (after the 2nd receiver at the bottom of the formation), which means he shouldn't have been in brissett's read progression at all. pre-snap, there should have been a 0.0% chance that brissett ever makes that throw to that receiver. and yet...


and then, if the design of the play was better, even with the wrong read, it could have worked. that WR cannot catch that pass flat footed. he has to bubble in towards the center of the field so that he has enough momentum to get out of the endzone if he's hit immediately. a good offense gets the details of that design right, and they go on with their day.

and finally, the execution was bad. brissett's throw was high, but not terribly so. once again, it's on the receiver not to leave his feet in that situation. if the throw goes over his head, so be it, but you can't be in the air for 3/4s of a second when there's a corner bearing down on you.



these details compound play after play, and the offenses that consistently get these details right can look like they run seamlessly.
   255. Mike A Posted: September 27, 2021 at 04:21 PM (#6041983)
Yeah, that play encapsulated what it's like to be a Dolphin fan these past 20 years or so.

As noted in the article, the Dolphins actually have 2 Offensive Coordinators, so somehow both of them were A-OK with the 'throw the ball to the guy in our own end zone' play design.
   256. 57i66135 is available to babysit, for a price Posted: October 01, 2021 at 11:19 AM (#6042784)
Urban Meyer is legitimately heartbroken. Keeps talking about the good guys and good hearts he has in the locker room. Apologizes to reporters because his "head is spinning"

— Jordan Dajani (@JordanDajani) October 1, 2021
   257. Meatwad Posted: October 01, 2021 at 09:11 PM (#6042918)
Not sure how maryland didnt recover the fumble after the interception. Had 2 guys on the ball before an iowa player got his hands in there.
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