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Wednesday, August 17, 2022

OT - August/September 2022 College Football thread

I’m sure the Germans have a word for an utter loss of enthusiasm brought about by conference realignment.

Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 17, 2022 at 06:48 PM | 396 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   301. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: September 18, 2022 at 05:01 PM (#6096804)
to be clear:

i think penn state finishes the season as an 8/9 win team. i still don't believe in the QB, and while the defense and the Oline have been better than expected, i don't expect it to hold up as injuries accumulate and their depth gets tested.

but if the games are supposed to matter, maybe the people who follow this #### more closely than anyone else should get their heads out of their asses once in a while.
   302. Brian White Posted: September 18, 2022 at 05:08 PM (#6096808)
-- beat an undefeated SEC blue blood on the road.


I understand where you're going with this and it's fine to complain about rankings, but this blurb is waaaaaaaaaaay overstating the quality of Auburn's football team. They're the Illinois of the SEC.

EDIT: actually Sagarin has Illinois ranked a fair bit above Auburn. So, think of Auburn as Illinois but a bit worse, and whose coach is 800% fired.

Also I just realized that I'm not up to date on the best predictive rankings for CFB, which is why I'm using Sagarin. Are there better ones out there?
   303. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 18, 2022 at 05:18 PM (#6096813)
Speaking of 800% fired coaches, Herm out at Arizona State.
   304. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: September 18, 2022 at 07:05 PM (#6096828)
I understand where you're going with this and it's fine to complain about rankings, but this blurb is waaaaaaaaaaay overstating the quality of Auburn's football team. They're the Illinois of the SEC.

EDIT: actually Sagarin has Illinois ranked a fair bit above Auburn. So, think of Auburn as Illinois but a bit worse, and whose coach is 800% fired.

Also I just realized that I'm not up to date on the best predictive rankings for CFB, which is why I'm using Sagarin. Are there better ones out there?
not sure, but i tend to use SRS (on cfb-ref) as a starting point.

illinois rates 9th in the country by that measure (james madison rates 13th)...so basically, this early in the season, it's just garbage in, garbase out.
   305. Mike A Posted: September 18, 2022 at 07:43 PM (#6096831)
-- start season 3-0
-- beat an undefeated SEC blue blood on the road.
-- two road wins over power 5 opponents
-- still get ranked behind 2-1 utah.
Yeah, all of this and FSU isn't even ranked!
   306. Pirate Joe Posted: September 18, 2022 at 08:24 PM (#6096835)
I understand where you're going with this and it's fine to complain about rankings, but this blurb is waaaaaaaaaaay overstating the quality of Auburn's football team. They're the Illinois of the SEC.



And the other P5 win is against a Purdue team that is so good that they lost to Syracuse yesterday, in a battle of two terrible teams trying desperately to hand the other team a win.
   307. Brian C Posted: September 18, 2022 at 10:30 PM (#6096844)
Speaking of 800% fired coaches, Herm out at Arizona State.

Fun fact: Eastern Michigan's Sword-of-Damocles win over ASU is the only win for the MAC over a P5 teams so far this year, and it gives the conference a 1-15 record in those games.

That win, plus Tulane's win over Kansas State yesterday, now puts CUSA (0-7) on the clock as the only FBS conference without a P5 win (at least if you still count the Pac-12 as a P5 conference, since both the MAC's only win and the MW's only win were against sad-ass Pac-12 teams). Anyway, they're running out of chances, only 5 games left:

FAU vs. Purdue, 9/24
Middle Tennessee vs. Miami, 9/24
Charlotte vs. South Carolina, 9/24
UAB vs. LSU, 11/19
WKU vs. Auburn, 11/19

FAU seems like they have the best shot, IMO, but Auburn will almost certainly be without a coach by then, as noted above. Although that will probably be an improvement for them, honestly.

But overall, I'd say it doesn't look good.
   308. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2022 at 09:41 PM (#6097709)
Syracuse very obviously didn't pick up the first down on that 3rd-and-18, yet no review.
   309. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 01:07 PM (#6097750)
Fear the turtle!
   310. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 01:19 PM (#6097753)
ESPN, you cocksuckers, I'm watching Clemson-Wake Forest because I want to watch Clemson-Wake Forest. If I gave the slightest #### about Aaron Judge, I could find him.
   311. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 02:21 PM (#6097756)
Hot damn, Wake Forest did something I always want a team to do: starting quarterback has to miss a play, backup comes in for a single snap and instead of handing it off they have the backup throw it deep. And they drew a pass interference, though it was a pretty terrible throw.
   312. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 02:23 PM (#6097757)
Clemson's missing dudes in the secondary, and it shows.
   313. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 02:48 PM (#6097760)
Clemson feels like it's hanging by a thread. It has moved the ball, but so many of the drives have hinged on long conversions on third downs, often on contested catches.
   314. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 02:52 PM (#6097761)
Maryland, down 24-13 with 11 minutes left, goes for 4th-and-1 in its own territory, and Michigan plays a 10-yard cushion on the outside and gifts the first down on what could've been a game-ending play.
   315. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 03:26 PM (#6097768)
Clemson picked a good time to start playing defense.
   316. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 03:36 PM (#6097769)
One of my shameful Gator fans confessions is that I actually rather like "Rocky Top."
   317. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 03:37 PM (#6097770)
Question for the Florida Mafia: Are any of you old enough to remember when Florida and Tennessee would trade home games in consecutive years, then not see each other for six, and if so, how does that color your perception of this as a rivalry?
   318. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 03:37 PM (#6097771)
One of my shameful Gator fans confessions is that I actually rather like "Rocky Top."

I thought we all secretly did? But for ####'s sake man, we're not allowed to actually say it out loud.
   319. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 03:42 PM (#6097773)
#317 ... Sort of. I do clearly remember 1990 and it being the first time I remembered them playing Tennessee, and it was a big deal. And of course it ended terribly.

But I was still pretty young (12), and it immediately became an important annual rivalry, and that overwhelmed any memory of them not playing every year.
   320. Brian White Posted: September 24, 2022 at 03:43 PM (#6097774)
I feel like it was a great decision to go run errands at noon, instead of watching Auburn/Mizzou.
   321. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 03:45 PM (#6097775)
My local CBS affiliate is switching to the Portland State-Montana game in 15 minutes. Awkward.
   322. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 03:49 PM (#6097777)
IF that 4th down call was a QB option, I think AR made the wrong decision - looked like the sweep was actually there for once.

Oh well. Not gonna complain about the decision to go for it.
   323. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 24, 2022 at 03:49 PM (#6097778)
Turtles on the plains, AU wins.
   324. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 03:50 PM (#6097779)
Credit to Napier for correctly going for it on fourth twice. Debit to Napier for the painfully obvious QB draw on fourth and two.
   325. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 03:50 PM (#6097780)
Clemson bats down a pass in the end zone on fourth down to escape 51-45 in two overtimes.
   326. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 03:57 PM (#6097781)
Haven't seen a half-jersey -- looks like it was just tucked under, but still -- in ages.
   327. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 04:16 PM (#6097782)
Couple of Tennessee mistakes have kept this from being a 14-0 game.
   328. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 04:26 PM (#6097785)
I would hardly know. I'm pre-empted! I can only get the game via the CBS Sports app on my phone, but the CBS Sports app - as usual - sucks complete ass and freezes up every few minutes.

I'm slightly peeved.
   329. Brian White Posted: September 24, 2022 at 04:30 PM (#6097786)
Now THAT was some running by Keon Zipperer right there.
   330. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 04:30 PM (#6097787)
OK, I saw that! Some YAC by Zipperer there.
   331. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 04:31 PM (#6097788)
Tennessee was a little too concerned with trying to force a fumble there and not nearly concerned enough with making a tackle.
   332. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 04:31 PM (#6097789)
Is the real CBS broadcast coming through without the broadcast audio? All I'm getting is the ambient stadium noise and ... it's kinda nice.
   333. Brian White Posted: September 24, 2022 at 04:34 PM (#6097790)
uh what
   334. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 04:35 PM (#6097791)
Granting that the talent isn't to Florida standards, I can't say I've been terribly impressed with the defensive coaching so far.
   335. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 04:45 PM (#6097792)
Richardson is a million times more accurate today than the last two weeks, AND more mobile with his legs, and actually looks like a plausible SEC quarterback again. So, that's good at least.
   336. Brian White Posted: September 24, 2022 at 04:49 PM (#6097794)
Yeah. The passes aren't SUPER crisp, but they're where they more or less need to be. And he's finding open guys after the pocket collapses.
   337. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:03 PM (#6097795)
Seem to be falling into a weird pattern of throwing an incompletion on first down, following it up with a run for no gain or a loss on second down and then a difficult 3rd and 10+.
   338. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:03 PM (#6097796)
Well, if you're gonna punt at midfield, that's the way to do it.
   339. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:05 PM (#6097797)
Middle Tennessee State 24, Miami 3.
   340. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:08 PM (#6097798)
I don't hate calling timeout there, but it did come back to haunt them, and immediately.
   341. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:11 PM (#6097799)
Middle Tennessee State 24, Miami 3.

Big respect to MTSU to withstand the frenzied Miami crowd.
   342. greenback needs a ride, not ammo Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:11 PM (#6097800)
Middle Tennessee State 24, Miami 3.

I expect that from a MAC school, even against someone like MTSU.

Oh... can I make fun of Josh Gattis getting upset because Michigan didn't want to make him head coach when it looked like Harbaugh was headed back to the NFL?
   343. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:17 PM (#6097801)
Well ... I can't really say that the Gators are in good shape at half, but also none of us would have been hugely surprised if things had gone a lot worse. So, I guess we just see what happens.
   344. Brian White Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:18 PM (#6097802)
Not all of Napier's calls have worked out, but I agree with the aggressiveness. I'm pretty happy with how the first half went, even though they're down three.
   345. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:27 PM (#6097804)
I'd feel better about being down 3 if the Gators got the ball to start the half. Giving up a TD at the end there really hurts - like, I know Tennessee has a good offense, but is letting them march 99 yards in less than 3 minutes at the end of the half really necessary.

But agreed, like the aggressiveness on offense. They're certainly not going to win this game by kicking field goals (although a FG on the first drive actually would have been kinda nice in retrospect).
   346. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:32 PM (#6097805)
Just noticed that Kansas beat Duke today, which means that it's very possible that next week the Jayhawks will be ranked and the Gators won't. If I were Billy Napier, I think that would be my halftime speech to the team.

But that said, as I mentioned last week, I'm 100% on board with watching Kansas roll through the Big XII.
   347. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:37 PM (#6097806)
Lincoln Riley left Oklahoma because he was scared of Kansas.
   348. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:40 PM (#6097807)
Gary Danielson pretending that he doesn't understand that the bad snap was a result of the Gators' offsides.
   349. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:45 PM (#6097808)
Meyer used to talk obsessively about the last five minutes of the first half and the first five minutes of the second half. Well, that was as bad as you could play those two segments.
   350. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:48 PM (#6097809)
I think that both the good and bad news about that Gators' defense is that they're not actually missing a ton of tackles, and haven't all year. Last year they were just atrocious tacklers, so it's progress. But also it's bad because it means that they're just getting beat clean, all the time, so it's not like they can just button some things up and be better.

I'm not sure how much of it is coaching and how much of it is just crappy players. They seem completely unable, as a group, to actually shed blocks. Like, once anyone gets blocked, they're just out of the play for good. But also a lot of guys obviously are getting caught out of position ... mental errors? Or a schematic problem?

I don't really know. They don't seem as undisciplined as in years past, but damn, they just can't stop anyone. They're just praying for the opposing offenses to make a mistake on every single drive.
   351. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:57 PM (#6097810)
He was in by a damn yard.
   352. Brian White Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:57 PM (#6097811)
This replay is, uh, pretty obvious.
   353. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 05:58 PM (#6097812)
Richardson looking like a capable quarterback against a (presumably) capable SEC defense is greatly encouraging, at least.
   354. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:07 PM (#6097813)
This game is Florida stringing together epic-length drives with the help of fourth down miracles to score a touchdown, followed by Tennessee reaching the red zone in two plays on the ensuing possession.
   355. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:11 PM (#6097814)
Napier penalized for being a pace of play enthusiast. Unjust!
   356. Brian White Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:11 PM (#6097815)
If the rule is "your getback coach has to be larger than your head coach to be able to restrain him" then that is a hire that Billy Napier absolutely nailed.
   357. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:17 PM (#6097816)
Ingenious penalty by Napier there: completely inconsequential if replay upheld the call, and if it had gone to the kickoff, then it would have just forced the Gators not to run it out, which they shouldn't ever be doing anyway.

ETA: Just want the record to show that I posted this before that abomination of a kick return.
   358. Brian White Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:18 PM (#6097817)
Yeah if Napier wants to scream his head off and cost his team six whole inches, well, okay.
   359. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:19 PM (#6097818)
Chris Weinke, obviously.
   360. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:21 PM (#6097819)
Not often that you have an opportunity to laud the boldness of a handoff on 3rd and long, but I think that's one of them.
   361. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:26 PM (#6097821)
Nessler was never more than a serviceable play-by-play guy - not really great, but not bad - but he sounds barely lucid these days.

Was AR out of the tackle box there? Sure seemed like grounding.
   362. Brian White Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:30 PM (#6097822)
A deep ball on 4th and 2 from your own 27 is not what I would have called, but damn if it didn't work beautifully.
   363. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:31 PM (#6097823)
It takes brass balls to sell real estate.
   364. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:33 PM (#6097825)
You know what Napier says: scared money has a low return on investment.
   365. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:37 PM (#6097826)
Welp, I suppose that was basically inevitable.
   366. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:38 PM (#6097827)
Hard to really blame anyone for that -- sometimes a large man gets a large hand on the football and bad things happen.
   367. Brian White Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:40 PM (#6097828)
The coverage busts are particularly discouraging this game.
   368. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:41 PM (#6097830)
In far more enjoyable news, Middle Tennessee State stops Miami on fourth and goal, then hits a 98-yard touchdown pass to extend their lead to 38-17.
   369. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:42 PM (#6097831)
Hard to really blame anyone for that -- sometimes a large man gets a large hand on the football and bad things happen.

I dunno, the way that ball shot out of his hands, it sure seems like he was carrying it awfully loosely.

Either way ... I mean, you can't just fumble. A large man gets his large hand on the ball on every play.
   370. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:54 PM (#6097834)
At 28-3 I assumed App State's streak of crazy games was over, and then James Madison won 32-28.
   371. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:57 PM (#6097835)
Texas Tech at the Texas 28 with the game on the line. Should probably throw to Crabtree.
   372. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 06:59 PM (#6097836)
A big problem for the Gators is that Heupel is not a complete tool. Previous Tennessee coaches would have already started turtling in this game when they went up 31-21 - maybe earlier - and let the Gators right back in this game. Heupel stays aggressive, though, makes things tough.

Gator offense is still playing, though. Tough 2pt play design to put two receivers in the same place.
   373. Brian White Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:01 PM (#6097837)
So, I don't think it matters. But what was the point of going for two there?
   374. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:02 PM (#6097838)
I'm sure the stat people could tell us all about how Napier would be a total idiot for not going for two there. But I dunno.
   375. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:03 PM (#6097839)
Speaking of turtling, the Red Raiders do, putting the game on the foot of a kicker who was 6-10 outside 40 yards, but he comes through.
   376. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:06 PM (#6097840)
Texas hits a long pass down the sideline with six seconds, then completes an out to shorten the field goal for good measure. Overtime.
   377. Brian White Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:06 PM (#6097841)
And Texas Tech runs prevent, and gives up just enough yardage to let Texas tie it.
   378. Brian White Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:12 PM (#6097842)
Oof. Tough fumble for Bijan Robinson.

Let's see if Texas Tech can manage to not screw this up.
   379. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:12 PM (#6097843)
Now watch Texas Tech turtle after forcing a fumble.
   380. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:14 PM (#6097844)
The worst part about this is how insufferable Tennessee fans get when they win once or twice a decade.
   381. Mike A Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:21 PM (#6097846)
Rick Stockstill, former FSU quarterback from back in the days of disco, leads MTSU over Miami. Feels good.
   382. Brian White Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:22 PM (#6097847)
The biggest question of the day: what should I watch for the 7:00 game? The actual good game (TAMU/Arky) or the Sickos Committee Game of the Week (Iowa/Rutgers)?
   383. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:24 PM (#6097848)
Feels like Iowa-Rutgers gives you the best chance to see something you're still going to be talking about a decade from now. It might be a team somehow scoring exactly one point, but you'll remember the experience.
   384. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:25 PM (#6097849)
That was the greatest onsides kick recovery ever.
   385. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:26 PM (#6097850)
See, this is what I was talking about - Heupel turtled just enough on their last offensive possession to give the Gators an opening. Holy hell.
   386. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:28 PM (#6097851)
Well here we go, Hail Mary or bust
   387. Brian C Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:29 PM (#6097852)
Damn. Well we can't say we didn't scare the #### out of them.
   388. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:30 PM (#6097853)
Well, at least they made UT sweat a bit at the end.

I do like bringing pressure on a Hail Mary. Rush two and drop 10 and you guarantee there's going to be a throw, and with Richardson's arm you know it's going into the endzone. Make the QB move and rush the play.

Though I am annoyed that Richardson gets another INT on his record, considering how good he was today.
   389. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:41 PM (#6097854)
On the bright side, Wazzu blowing the lead to Oregon so quickly leaves it with time to try to come back.
   390. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 07:46 PM (#6097856)
Or to throw a horrendous pick-six to a lineman, effectively ending the game.

Three touchdowns in under three minutes for Oregon.
   391. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 08:08 PM (#6097857)
When you have an iconic uniform look you've spent decades building equity in, why let Nike #### around with it? Ohio State in all black is dumb and bad. Florida State in all white is dumb and bad. And I refuse to believe "We promise to wear varied ugly uniforms" pulls in recruits, as many dumb and bad people put forth as justification.
   392. Brian White Posted: September 24, 2022 at 08:22 PM (#6097858)
Well that was quite the turn in the Arkansas/TAMU game.

EDIT: KJ Jefferson tries to jump over a pile, even though he's still a good four yards away from the end zone. Never has a good handle on the ball, fumbles, and TAMU recovers and after a lateral, runs it back.

Arkansas still leads 14-13, since TAMU botched the extra point. Still.
   393. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 10:05 PM (#6097861)
The Worldwide Leader in Substandard Coverage doesn't have a camera on the sideline for its game of the week, so the world will never know if Achane got his toe down.
   394. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 24, 2022 at 11:15 PM (#6097866)
Game-saving 55-yard scramble by Adrian Martinez on 3rd-and-16.
   395. Pirate Joe Posted: October 15, 2022 at 06:50 PM (#6100930)
So hey, this Tennessee - Alabama game is pretty good.

   396. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: October 15, 2022 at 07:00 PM (#6100934)
There's an October thread.

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