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The rest of the “Four Corners” schools are heading to the Big 12. Arizona, Arizona State and Utah will all join Colorado in the Big 12 starting ahead of the 2024-25 athletic season, the conference announced Friday night. In adding three more Pac-12 teams, the Big 12 in 2024 will swell to 16 programs, the largest membership in league history.

Colorado was the first to jettison the Pac-12 for the Big 12 last week ahead of the Pac-12 finally unveiling a proposed media rights deal that was not received positively. Big 12 presidents unanimously voted to welcome Arizona into the league Thursday and did the same in a Friday meeting for Arizona State and Utah, sources told CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd. The schools’ respective Boards of Regents formalized their transitions into the Big 12 on Friday night.

And not to be outdone:

Oregon and Washington have joined the Big Ten, the universities and conference announced Friday night. The programs become the third and fourth Pac-12 members to leave the conference for the Big Ten in the last 13 months.

...

The programs, both charter members of the Pac-12 dating back to 1915, informed Pac-12 presidents earlier Friday that they planned to accept invitations from the Big Ten. The Big Ten made those formal offers later Friday with both Oregon and Washington officially approving the measures.

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1. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 07, 2023 at 11:44 AM (#6138231)

After decades of chipping away at the things that made college football special, an irreparable blow has finally landed with the outright death of a storied conference after 108 years.

Sure hope 2023 is a great season, because it's the last one in which the sport will be remotely recognizable.

2. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: August 07, 2023 at 11:51 AM (#6138232)

After decades of chipping away at the things that made college football special, an irreparable blow has finally landed with the outright death of a storied conference after 108 years.

the big east sends its regards.

3. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 07, 2023 at 11:59 AM (#6138233)

The Big East was a basketball conference that dabbled in football for five minutes by cobbling together a bunch of former independents. This is not the same.

4. Froot Loops Posted: August 07, 2023 at 12:35 PM (#6138236)

Can the Southwest Conference send its regards?

One thing that's notable about the Big Ten realignment is that EVERYONE hates it. Oregon fans hate it, Big Ten fans hate it, college football fans at large hate it. I haven't seen a single civilian speak in favor of it.

5. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 07, 2023 at 01:27 PM (#6138242)

I was never in favor of a playoff but one thing that would make sense would be to have four 16-team superconferences, representing roughly the NE, SE, Central and Eastern US. Each team with two divisions of 8 teams, each playing 7 teams in their division, 2 teams from the opposite division, and two or three nonconference games. Then you end up with a de facto 8-team playoff -- first week is conference championships, then the four conference winners play for the title in two rounds.

If you aimed for general geographic compactness, you'd end up with something like:

West: USC, UCLA, Washington, Wash St. Oregon, Oregon St. Utah, BYU, Ariz, Ariz State, Cal, Stanford, Colorado, SDSU, UC Davis, UNLV

Plains: Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa St, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Minnesota, Wisconsin

Northeast: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Penn State, Syracuse, Rutgers, Maryland, Pitt, Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia Tech

Southeast: Florida, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, LSU, Clemson, Georgia, South Carolina, Miami, Florida State, Duke

(I'm sure folks could nitpick that list to death, but just as an illustration)

Why the powers that be couldn't get together and figure something out is beyond me.

6. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: August 07, 2023 at 01:59 PM (#6138243)

I assume this is for football only.

Some nits to pick.

Replace one of the last three in the west with Boise State. Replace Northwestern with Louisville.

7. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: August 07, 2023 at 02:03 PM (#6138245)

The 4-team playoff has been better than I expected. There have been plenty of blowouts in the semis, but overall it's been compelling.

I haven't heard a lot of talk about this, but with the super-conferences, there will be a lot of cannibalization and teams finishing 9-3 rather than 11-1. I suppose it doesn't matter since the playoff is going to 16 teams, but the regular season (which to me is what makes CFB special) continues to be de-valued.

8. Cowboy Popup Posted: August 07, 2023 at 02:46 PM (#6138247)

Northeast: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Penn State, Syracuse, Rutgers, Maryland, Pitt, Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia Tech

I would enjoy this as a WVU fan. Particularly love that BC gets left out.

Realignment has been damaging the sport ever since I became a fan (2005ish), so I'm pretty jaded at this point. While I think this is bad, I think the fact that realignment has become an excuse to require you to buy 13 different streaming and cable packages is actually a bigger threat to the sport.

9. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 07, 2023 at 03:00 PM (#6138248)

History's final SID preseason poll:

Rk Team (1st)           Pts
 1 Georgia (61)         1643
 2 Michigan             1510
 3 Alabama (4)          1489
 4 Ohio State (1)       1485
 5 LSU                  1294
 6 USC                  1228
 7 Penn State           1181
 8 Florida State        1145
 9 Clemson              1078
10 Tennessee             991
11 Washington            941
12 Texas                 848
13 Notre Dame            841
14 Utah                  839
15 Oregon                820
16 TCU                   655
17 Kansas State          440
18 Oregon State          365
19 Oklahoma              320
20 North Carolina        315
21 Wisconsin             309
22 Mississippi           303
23 Tulane                225
24 Texas Tech            200
25 Texas A&M             196

26 Iowa                  169
27 South Carolina         89
28 Florida                63
29 UT-San Antonio         59
30 Pittsburgh             52
31 UCLA                   42
32 Kentucky               34
33 Baylor                 28
34 Troy                   25
35 Arkansas               20
36 NC State               19
   Fresno State           19
38 Boise State            18
   Auburn                 18
40 Minnesota              16
   Miami (FL)             16
42 Mississippi State      13
43 Oklahoma State         12
44 Missouri               11
45 Maryland               10
46 SMU                     8
   South Alabama           8
48 Illinois                7
49 Wake Forest             6
   Air Force               6
51 Toledo                  5
52 Washington State        4
53 Houston                 3
54 Duke                    2
   BYU                     2
   Arizona                 2
57 Memphis                 1
   Kansas                  1
   James Madison           1

10. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: August 07, 2023 at 03:03 PM (#6138251)

It sure sounded like that was the factor for Oregon and Washington. PAC-10 schools *might* have gotten more from Apple TV streaming, but it wasn't guaranteed money, it was tied to the number of subscribers to a conference add-on. Instead, they jumped to the Big 10 and will split a share of that revenue, which will still be a guaranteed $30M apiece per year.

Last thought: I know the conference shakeup doesn't go into effect until 2024, but what if Stanford, Cal, WSU, and whoever I"m forgetting stay pat....will one of them get an automatic CFP bid?

11. Stevey Posted: August 07, 2023 at 03:36 PM (#6138254)

Why the powers that be couldn't get together and figure something out is beyond me.

Is this a trick question or what exactly? They couldn't do that because tv contracts are king. Splitting tv money with Syracuse, Pitt, Kentucky, W Virginia, and V Tech would be a negative move for the Big Ten teams in that conference.

I think the fact that realignment has become an excuse to require you to buy 13 different streaming and cable packages is actually a bigger threat to the sport

This was going to happen regardless of realignment.

will one of them get an automatic CFP bid?

CFP expansion doesn't begin until 2024.

12. Howie Menckel Posted: August 07, 2023 at 04:34 PM (#6138259)

2024

Big 12 - 16 teams
Pac 12 - 4 teams (at the moment)
Big Ten - 18 teams

works for me !

13. Mr. Hotfoot Jackson (gef, talking mongoose) Posted: August 07, 2023 at 05:32 PM (#6138260)

Jethro Bodine, math genius, would be right at home.

14. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: August 07, 2023 at 06:58 PM (#6138267)

Re 5: For years, I've been advocating a setup of eight conferences with two divisions each, creating a built-in playoff:

Thanksgiving weekend: Conference championship games (de facto national first round)
1st weekend of December: Army-Navy
2nd weekend of December: National Quarterfinals (rotated between existing bowl sites)
3rd weekend of December: National Semifinals (ditto)
January 1st: Rose Bowl/National Championship (always in Pasadena, always on New Year's Day [except when it falls on a Sunday])

15. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: August 07, 2023 at 07:11 PM (#6138270)

The 4-team playoff has been better than I expected.

Don't even. If you had told me that Michigan and The School Down South were going to score a freakin' 86 points between them in their semifinal games, I would've said, "Ohmygod! It's a rematch for the National Championship!" But, no. (It's called tackling, guys. Try it sometime!)

So, we wound up with a National Championship Game that...well, the only question is, was it (1) the worst football game of all time or (2) The worst anything of all time...?

16. Howie Menckel Posted: August 07, 2023 at 09:41 PM (#6138279)

The Athletic
@TheAthletic
BREAKING: The ACC is in the early stages of exploring the idea of adding Stanford and Cal as league members, sources confirm to @NicoleAuerbach.

...........

(maybe they can rebrand to just "The Coast Conference")

Pac 12 - 2 teams (Wash St, Oregon St, if this goes through)

that's an easy rebrand - just blur the "1" in the marketing stuff !)

17. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 07, 2023 at 10:31 PM (#6138282)

I heard a clip of one of the departing Pac 12 President's that said something like this regarding the proposed TV deal with Apple TV. "It was like, oh, Ok, yeah, well this like trying to sell candy bars for Little League.'

18. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 08, 2023 at 12:17 AM (#6138287)

I assume this is for football only.

Not necessarily, but doesn't make a big difference.

Is this a trick question or what exactly? They couldn't do that because tv contracts are king. Splitting tv money with Syracuse, Pitt, Kentucky, W Virginia, and V Tech would be a negative move for the Big Ten teams in that conference.

Then make them 12-team conferences. Heck, the Big 10 could just be Ohio State and Michigan. Whatever, just so there are 4 conferences with one playoff slot each.

19. Stevey Posted: August 08, 2023 at 08:52 AM (#6138290)

Whatever, just so there are 4 conferences with one playoff slot each.

You are missing the point. The people in charge do not give a crap what a bunch of fans who already watch and spend money on college football think is the neatest, cleanest format to pick a champion. It's about selling more tv packages, and getting your brand in front of the most people possible, in particular the casuals.

20. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama

Posted: August 08, 2023 at 10:38 AM (#6138299)

Jethro Bodine, math genius, would be right at home

Wellll doggies, that’s some fancy ciphering’!

21. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: August 08, 2023 at 10:45 AM (#6138300)

The people in charge do not give a crap what a bunch of fans who already watch and spend money on college football think is the neatest, cleanest format to pick a champion. It's about selling more tv packages, and getting your brand in front of the most people possible, in particular the casuals.

They're #### at that as well. You're saying that the realignment of the past 10 years is part of a carefully-orchestrated plan to maximize CFB TV revenue? No -- it's pure chaos, and saying that it's chaos inspired by greed doesn't make it any more sensible or likely to achieve its goal. In fact, they're busy driving away the fans who spend the most money on CFB.

22. Karl from NY Posted: August 08, 2023 at 02:14 PM (#6138312)

Why the powers that be couldn't get together and figure something out is beyond me.

The real answer is that all the conferences have different media rights contracts that expire at different times, so there's no point at which everyone can say "we're all realigning now". Besides that, the conferences and even individual schools all have different situations for commitment lengths, withdrawal notice period, exit fees, and so on. So what you get is piecemeal chaos whenever a conference or a school thinks it has an opening to do better.

If you want to vote against it, stop feeding ESPN and Fox your advertising eyeballs... but you won't.

23. thok Posted: August 08, 2023 at 07:56 PM (#6138337)

BREAKING: The ACC is in the early stages of exploring the idea of adding Stanford and Cal as league members, sources confirm to @NicoleAuerbach.

...........

(maybe they can rebrand to just "The Coast Conference")

As a 49er fan who remembers when the St. Louis Rams were the second most western team in the NFC West, Cal/Stanford in the ACC doesn't actually confuse me that much.

24. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: August 08, 2023 at 08:19 PM (#6138339)

The real answer is that all the conferences have different media rights contracts that expire at different times, so there's no point at which everyone can say "we're all realigning now".

Contracts are made to be broken, especially when there are several very large money trucks backing up to college athletic departments around the country.

BEEP...BEEP...BEEP...!!

25. Stevey Posted: August 09, 2023 at 08:24 AM (#6138350)

They're #### at that as well. You're saying that the realignment of the past 10 years is part of a carefully-orchestrated plan to maximize CFB TV revenue?

Well, back before the Big Ten took Nebraska, each program was getting about $22M per year from all tv deals, including basketball and the Big Ten Network. The version of the national football tv deals that included USC and UCLA but not Washington and Oregon pay out $80-100M per year. That doesn't include basketball or the Big Ten Network. So yeah, I'd say the Big Ten has done a pretty good job at maximizing their revenue through expansion.

In fact, they're busy driving away the fans who spend the most money on CFB.

They most certainly are not. The diehards may be upset, but the dirty secret that the powers that be know is that those people are going to tune in anyway.

26. Howie Menckel Posted: August 09, 2023 at 01:29 PM (#6138359)

I'm a very casual college football fan, and I will be less likely to watch some of these contrived, far-flung matchups than I have watched games in the past.

but I can't argue that diehards will walk away - they are hooked.

27. kirstie819 Posted: August 11, 2023 at 02:32 PM (#6138474)

Two 13-inch pneumatic tires provide stability and balance, making it easy to maneuver over uneven terrain. The loop handle design offers a comfortable grip and allows for one-handed operation, reducing strain on your wrists and back. good wheelbarrow

28. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: August 11, 2023 at 05:04 PM (#6138487)

History's final SID preseason poll
7 Penn State 1181

i find it amusing that penn state had a 7th year senior starting QB last year, opened last year's polling unranked and finished the year 7th in the final poll.

this year, they have a redshirt freshman starting QB, and they opened 7th in the SID poll.

oh, and that 27 year old ###### somehow managed to also get drafted in the 5th round. not even in baseball; in football.

29. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 31, 2023 at 08:09 PM (#6140222)

Gator Mafia, activate.

30. Brian C Posted: August 31, 2023 at 08:29 PM (#6140225)

Might be a long season for us Gator Mafia ... I remain unconvinced that Graham Mertz is the answer. But maybe he'll play like crap for half of the season but really well in like 4 games and be a top-5 draft pick next year!

31. Brian C Posted: August 31, 2023 at 08:37 PM (#6140228)

ESPN is using Fall Out Boy to advertise games and man oh man will this be a really long year. I mean, how does Nickelback get so much crap when FOB exists and thrives for decades?

32. Howie Menckel Posted: August 31, 2023 at 08:51 PM (#6140230)

geesh, now I feel guilty that I used my $10 "free bet" from DraftKings on Utah minus 5 1/2 points.

[NARRATOR: It is NOT, in fact, a free bet. It just means that if you lose, it doesn't cost you anything - but you soon have to risk $10 again. if you lose that one - you're out 10 bucks. happens to roughly 1/4 of the "squares" and the ones who avoid that fate - especially if they win the first one - may develop a taste for the drug. caveat emptor, folks !]

33. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: August 31, 2023 at 08:55 PM (#6140231)

ESPN is using Fall Out Boy to advertise games and man oh man will this be a really long year. I mean, how does Nickelback get so much crap when FOB exists and thrives for decades?

fall out boy's music was weird and interesting at one point.

nickleback has only ever made the simplest, least interesting, lowest common denominator, kidz bop level, dense as cotton candy pop/rock music.

but anyway, i agree with you in general. if we're digging back that far, ESPN might as well pull out some blues traveler.

34. Brian C Posted: August 31, 2023 at 09:00 PM (#6140232)

fall out boy's music was weird and interesting at one point.

That is a terrible song by a terrible band and is neither weird nor interesting.

Gators looked like they were gonna make a game of this for awhile, but I dunno. Feels like the dam about to break already.

35. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: August 31, 2023 at 09:09 PM (#6140234)

That is a terrible song by a terrible band and is neither weird nor interesting.

yawn.

36. nick swisher hygiene Posted: August 31, 2023 at 09:48 PM (#6140235)

Brian, your favorite band sucks! (No, seriously, that is a ####### great pop punk single, thanks for reminding me 57i66135)

37. Howie Menckel Posted: August 31, 2023 at 09:49 PM (#6140236)

has it really been decades since Florida played a non-conference road game outside of the state?

I don't know much, but some yakker on ESPN Radio the other day said that, and the altitude at U of Utah that always seems to flummox first-time visitors, influenced his prediction.

#blindsquirrel
#acorn
#maybe

38. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: August 31, 2023 at 09:51 PM (#6140237)

has it really been decades since Florida played a non-conference road game outside of the state?

I don't know much, but some yakker on ESPN Radio the other day said that, and the altitude at U of Utah that always seems to flummox first-time visitors, influenced his prediction.

#blindsquirrel
#acorn
#maybe

i heard that the last time was at syracuse in 1991.

39. Howie Menckel Posted: August 31, 2023 at 10:05 PM (#6140238)

to be fair, I doubt this is a unique scenario.

so while I find it to be incredibly lame, it's not just a U of FL issue.

I get that the SEC schedule is brutal. but still, maybe young men on the team and the staff all around it would benefit a bit from spending a couple of days outside of Florida and the same SEC landing spots almost every year (I suppose this super-league stuff will alleviate some of the shortcoming).

40. Brian C Posted: August 31, 2023 at 10:35 PM (#6140243)

Not surprising that the Gators are losing this game, but man is it discouraging that they look so pitiful. Just badly coached and all-around out of sorts. I defended Napier pretty hard last season, but I have to say that I am just a bit disappointed in the complete lack of preparation and discipline going on here. I know they're still talent-deficient from the Mullen years, but that doesn't really excuse the constant shooting themselves in the feet.

And while Herbie is a big Mertz booster tonight, all I'm seeing is a guy who's started a ton of games at this level who is nonetheless helpless when faced with such adversity as "3rd and 6".

41. Howie Menckel Posted: August 31, 2023 at 11:12 PM (#6140245)

so THAT almost got weird.

was not watching the game, and knew it was 24-3 in the 4th quarter. I'm up 15 1/2 points, so it's over, right?

TD and 2-point conversion and it's 24-11 and the Gators are on the march in the final 2 minutes before petering out. I did tune in for a few plays.

just curious - if they score there to make it 24-17, do they go for 1 or for 2?

I would think 1, and a lot of the biggest-spending boosters may have gotten Florida plus 6, so steal a "push" for them and they walk away relieved. or double down and try to win cash for all their backers, whether at 5 1/2 or 6?

not that gambling would ever enter the calculus - I would be shocked, shocked !

42. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 31, 2023 at 11:13 PM (#6140246)

And the nation turns its lonely eyes to Nebraska leading 10-3 at Minnesota with the Gophers driving late.

43. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2023 at 08:12 AM (#6140264)

And the nation turns its lonely eyes to Nebraska leading 10-3 at Minnesota with the Gophers driving late.

I fell asleep before the inevitable Husker collapse! Ah well, there will be more no doubt.

44. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 02, 2023 at 12:27 PM (#6140353)

Michigan getting a bunch of runs stuffed early.

45. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 02, 2023 at 01:06 PM (#6140354)

Colorado, which was 1-11 last year, is beating a team that was in the national championship game last year. Coach Prime, man.

46. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 02, 2023 at 07:48 PM (#6140372)

decent start to the season for penn state.

4 plays, 95 yards, TD

47. Brian C Posted: September 05, 2023 at 12:21 AM (#6140502)

The Gators loss was pretty ugly, but hey ... they played better against Utah than Clemson did against Duke.

At any rate, unless I missed something, the biggest upset of the weekend by point spread was Texas State's win at Baylor, in which Baylor was favored by 26.5 points. Colorado was close behind, with TCU favored by 21.

Also of note, is that not a single FCS team beat an FBS team in Week 0 or Week 1. Not sure when the last time that happened was, but I'm quite sure it hasn't happened in at least the last 10 years. Some close calls, but not even all that many, really. The closest we came was FBS newb Jacksonville State beating UTEP, so way to go, lesser(?) Gamecocks. The other FBS newb, Sam Houston, dutifully lost to BYU.

48. Howie Menckel Posted: September 05, 2023 at 12:28 AM (#6140503)

supposedly newbie James Madison is a TD favorite over UVA - is that next weekend?

apparently the spread is the largest vs a Power 5 by a nobody in, like, forever.

49. kubiwan Posted: September 05, 2023 at 11:26 AM (#6140526)

supposedly newbie James Madison is a TD favorite over UVA - is that next weekend?

It is indeed next Saturday and is Virginia's first home game since last year's shootings. Noon ET on ESPNU, which I presume will show some of the pre-game memorial(s).

apparently the spread is the largest vs a Power 5 by a nobody in, like, forever.

And UVa is at home! This would be a 10-ish point spread on a neutral site and pushing 2 TDs if JMU was hosting.

50. Brian C Posted: September 05, 2023 at 07:55 PM (#6140568)

Well, JMU is actually in year 2 of FBS, and last year they were 8-3 ... they're a bit feistier than most recent FCS transfers. Giving them 6 against UVA seems like a bit of a stretch, though.

Anyway, speaking of, the Sun Belt has actually become a fairly decent football conference. I think they're rather obviously a step up from CUSA, MAC, and MW now, and I'm not even sure the gap between them and the newly reconfigured AAC is all that big or even exists.

51. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 09, 2023 at 07:49 PM (#6140873)

When I bury my nose in virtual golf, this thread becomes a tree falling in the forest.

Anyway, stop dropping passes in the end zone, Texas.

52. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 09, 2023 at 08:04 PM (#6140874)

My power to speak things into existence only manifests when it's not at all beneficial to me.

53. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 09, 2023 at 08:23 PM (#6140877)

App State gets tackled obviously short of the line to gain. The play is reviewed as to whether there was a fumble and for targeting without anybody noticing that aspect. The chuckleheads in the booth look at a dozen replays without noticing.

Then a second review is initiated, and the call is upheld despite being clearly wrong.

App State inside the UNC 20 with two minutes left trailing by three.

54. Where have you gone Brady Anderson? Posted: September 09, 2023 at 08:34 PM (#6140880)

JMU was one of the best FCS schools prior to moving to the FBS, UVA is not a strong program. I know a number of people affiliated with both schools and I don’t think any of them are surprised by todays result.

LSU’s defense looks awful against Grambling. Lots of wide open Grambling receivers and poor LSU tackling. If they can’t turn this around, it could be a long season in Baton Rouge.

55. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 09, 2023 at 08:46 PM (#6140881)

UNC falls victim to one of the classic blunders: turtling for a college kicker. Gets bailed out when App State calls timeout and the first godawful hook doesn't count, but it's followed with another hideous yank.

Overtime.

56. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 09, 2023 at 09:25 PM (#6140884)

FSU with a surprise onside kick against Southern Miss while leading 14-0 in the first quarter. Like, why?

57. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 09, 2023 at 09:26 PM (#6140885)

Put it on tape to make Clemson's return team wait an extra beat in two weeks, maybe?

58. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 09, 2023 at 10:05 PM (#6140891)

FSU with a surprise onside kick against Southern Miss while leading 14-0 in the first quarter. Like, why?

colorado is 2-0.

59. Brian C Posted: September 09, 2023 at 11:05 PM (#6140898)

When I bury my nose in virtual golf, this thread becomes a tree falling in the forest.

Blame the Gators playing an FCS team - I always skip those games.

Otherwise, my main observation through two weeks is that the SEC looks terrible. Gators spanked by Utah, Alabama spanked by Texas, LSU spanked by FSU, South Carolina spanked by the Tarheels, A&M spanked by Miami, even Vandy getting spanked by Wake. A couple of games left to go tonight - including Mississippi State letting Arizona take them into OT as I write this, which isn't great regardless of how things turn out - but right at this moment, the only SEC win against another Power 5 team is last week's Tennessee win over a terrible Virginia team. That's fewer than the Mountain West has managed! Although I guess Ole Miss's win at Tulane is pretty solid.

EDIT: Mississippi State pulls it out in OT, so that's 2 wins, tying the Mountain West. Auburn-Cal still in the first quarter to potentially decide SEC/Mountain West bragging rights.

60. Brian C Posted: September 10, 2023 at 11:01 AM (#6140922)

W-L records against out-of-conference Power 5 teams (+ Notre Dame) through Week 2, by conference:

American: 1-10 (lone win: Rice over P5 newb Houston)
ACC: 4-4
Big 12: 4-5
B1G: 3-3
CUSA: 0-4 (only 4??)
MAC: 1-10 (lone win: NIU over BC)
MW: 2-12
PAC-12: 6-3
SEC: 3-6
Sun Belt: 2-6

A trio of FCS wins over FBS teams yesterday:

Southern Illinois 14, Northern Illinois 11
Fordham 30, Buffalo 27
Idaho 33, Nevada 6

Second straight year for SIU to pull one out, they beat Northwestern last year, too. Also the second straight year for both Nevada and Buffalo to go down against an FCS opponent, after losing to Incarnate Word and Holy Cross last year, respectively.

Also, one of my favorite things is when a P5 team does not schedule any out-of-conference P5 opponents, but then loses a non-conference game anyway. So far we have two teams doing the non-conference Walk of Shame so far this year:

Boston College: lost to Northern Illinois
Houston: lost to Rice

Here's hoping that Michigan suffers the wrath of the gods and somehow finds a way to lose to Bowling Green as punishment for their pitiful, gutless, cowardly non-conference schedule. Other P5 teams without a P5 non-conference game: Oklahoma, Oregon State, UCF, and UCLA, who all are pathetic but AT LEAST had the decency to schedule true road games out-of-conference, even if only UCF among those actually have unfavorable travel for those games (they played @Boise State yesterday, which is legit IMO).

61. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 10, 2023 at 04:41 PM (#6140952)

i don't like tony romo.

62. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 10, 2023 at 04:57 PM (#6140954)

i don't like tom brady, either.

63. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 14, 2023 at 09:13 PM (#6141371)

i can't believe the NFL didn't kill this QB sneak bullshit over the offseason.

it's a torn ACL waiting to happen.

64. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 14, 2023 at 09:21 PM (#6141373)

why does the eagles' font in the endzone look like the jets font?

65. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 14, 2023 at 09:22 PM (#6141375)

"it's fun to watch kurt cousins"

-- kurt herbstreit

66. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 14, 2023 at 09:29 PM (#6141376)

that looks like it should be a touchback, the dumbest possible interpretation of any football rule.

67. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 14, 2023 at 09:33 PM (#6141377)

the defense should have to recover the ball for it to be a turnover. this rule ####### sucks.

just make a new ####### penalty for it: advancing the ball out of the endzone. it's a 5 yard penalty from the spot of the fumble. boom. done.

68. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 14, 2023 at 09:35 PM (#6141378)

can anyone explain why the vikings are lubricating the footballs with vaseline?

69. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 14, 2023 at 09:36 PM (#6141379)

it looked like he had plenty of leg on the 55-yarder.

70. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 14, 2023 at 09:37 PM (#6141380)

and it's in the hole.

71. Howie Menckel Posted: September 14, 2023 at 10:00 PM (#6141386)

that looks like it should be a touchback, the dumbest possible interpretation of any football rule.

don't have Amazon Prime, but I know pretty much what this play must be.

it is intriguing in all sports when there are rules that are so stupefying inane, yet it's as if these rules have brilliant PR firms that annually convince all involved to keep it on the books.

and this one has several alternatives - all of them much, much better than the current scenario. is there even any debate on this?

72. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 14, 2023 at 10:24 PM (#6141392)

and this one has several alternatives - all of them much, much better than the current scenario. is there even any debate on this?

the only debate is that it's easier to not do anything about it.

73. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 14, 2023 at 10:43 PM (#6141393)

"they're a touchdown away from being a touchdown away"

-- curt herbstreit

74. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 14, 2023 at 11:06 PM (#6141395)

jesus christ. these guys have no hands. how can you be a receiver in the NFL with no hands?

75. Brian White Posted: September 16, 2023 at 12:58 PM (#6141536)

Well, I'm in Gainesville for the game, and I have no idea what to expect. Admittedly, I'm kind of excited to get to see the random number generator that is Joe Milton. Florida could lose 70-13, or they could grind it out on the ground while Milton throws 4 INTs on the way to a 27-16 win. Who knows???

76. Brian White Posted: September 16, 2023 at 01:00 PM (#6141538)

I will also note: isn't week 3 usually pretty good most seasons? How is today's slate of games so dreadful?

77. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 16, 2023 at 02:47 PM (#6141543)

I will also note: isn't week 3 usually pretty good most seasons? How is today's slate of games so dreadful?

the CFP committee has made it clear time and again that they don't penalize teams or conferences for shitty OOC scheduling.

so this is what you get.

78. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 16, 2023 at 02:54 PM (#6141544)

is gus johnson legally blind?

79. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: September 17, 2023 at 03:09 PM (#6141610)

and this one has several alternatives - all of them much, much better than the current scenario. is there even any debate on this?

The current rule makes sense. If you fumble the ball out of either endzone, it belongs to the team defending that goal as a touchback. Nice and symmetrical. You can't award a TD to the offense for fumbling, and no other spot would be consistent with how we treat fumbles out of bounds.

80. SoSH U at work Posted: September 17, 2023 at 04:58 PM (#6141614)

and no other spot would be consistent with how we treat fumbles out of bounds.

This interpretation is also not consistent with how we treat fumbles out of bounds, in how the fumbling team retains possession in every other case.

I say push it back to the 20 but allow the offense to keep it. That would be similar to how we treat punts for the defensive team, you can get it as close as possible to the 20, but go over the line and the defense loses 20 yards.

81. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 17, 2023 at 07:06 PM (#6141620)

There are currently 38 undefeated FBS teams. The top 25 is currently 21 undefeated teams and 4 SEC teams with losses.

— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) September 17, 2023

82. Howie Menckel Posted: September 17, 2023 at 07:57 PM (#6141624)

The current rule makes sense.

thank you.

I believe that you believe it - and I truly wondered if anyone on Earth felt that way.

so that's one, I suppose.

my preference - aside from ANYTHING is better than the status quo - is the same as SoSH.

bouncing the offense back to the 20-yard line is significantly, and sufficiently, punitive.

83. Brian White Posted: September 18, 2023 at 02:37 PM (#6141661)

The true solution is to keep fumbles out of the end zone as a touchback for the defense, and change the current rule for fumbles out of bounds such that they are now turnovers.

Also:

or they could grind it out on the ground while Milton throws 4 INTs on the way to a 27-16 win

Hey, only two points off. Well, and three INTs, but the one Joe Milton INT was so bad that it should count for four.

84. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2023 at 01:23 PM (#6142081)

Jesus Christ, people, I created an NFL thread specifically in response to this topic.

85. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2023 at 01:27 PM (#6142082)

Florida State's pass coverage is dogshit.

86. Brian C Posted: September 23, 2023 at 01:58 PM (#6142084)

I thought it was really weird that no one seemed to see FSU's near-miss against BC last weekend as a red flag. Do people not realize how terrible BC is? They're one of the worst P5 teams in the country - maybe not quite Virginia bad, but they're certainly in the Northwestern/Vanderbilt tier.

Anyway, I missed last week's joyous Tennessee-Florida game because I was traveling abroad. But back this week in a jetlagged haze for the big matchup with ... oh, Charlotte. Fine, I guess. At least they're (nominally) FBS.

87. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2023 at 03:34 PM (#6142088)

FSU hasn't been able to run at all against LSU or Clemson, and maybe it's just been Travis forcing balls deep, but its passing game today has been largely jump balls to receivers with no separation. Is no one on the team able to run a slant? Or literally any route but a go?

And then on the second play of overtime Coleman hauls one in.

88. Brian C Posted: September 23, 2023 at 05:06 PM (#6142095)

As much as I hate FSU, serves Dabo right for settling for the field goal late in the 4Q. I mean, sure, you expect even a college kicker to make that kick, but there was too much time left to turtle up there.

I'm not sure anyone's surprised to see Oregon give Colorado a reality check, but ... damn.

89. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2023 at 05:11 PM (#6142096)

35-0 understates the level of dominance -- 378-23 yardage advantage gives a better picture. Sanders repeatedly making like Bob Griese and retreating into sacks for enormous losses. Only a Nix underthrow for an interception has kept it from being worse.

90. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2023 at 05:17 PM (#6142098)

In other news...

Utah returned an interception for a touchdown on the first play and has suffocated the UCLA offense the entire half. Rising-less offense has struggled itself, though, finally scoring a minute before the half to make it 14-0.

Alabama offense continuing to look hapless, trailing 7-6. Milroe with a pick in the end zone after a bad read, and a drive that started at Mississippi's one after a blocked punt was scuttled by a bad shotgun snap.

91. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 23, 2023 at 05:21 PM (#6142099)

35-0 understates the level of dominance -- 378-23 yardage advantage gives a better picture. Sanders repeatedly making like Bob Griese and retreating into sacks for enormous losses. Only a Nix underthrow for an interception has kept it from being worse.

i don't like to think of myself as being a hater, but i don't hate to see this one happening.

92. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2023 at 06:46 PM (#6142100)

Utah threatening to blow it. Gives up a touchdown with 3:39 left to make it 14-7, then runs three times in 15 seconds and punts.

93. Brian C Posted: September 23, 2023 at 07:27 PM (#6142101)

Ricky Pearsall just made one of the best catches I've ever seen for the Gators - jumping one-handed catch with his back arm and just sorta snagged it out of the air, and then held on as he got targeted on his way down. Almost defied physics that he was able to catch it from the angle he did.

94. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: September 23, 2023 at 08:05 PM (#6142104)

Iowa in black pants is not identifiable as Iowa.

95. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 23, 2023 at 08:08 PM (#6142105)

Iowa in black pants is not identifiable as Iowa.

they're not missouri.

96. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 23, 2023 at 08:10 PM (#6142106)

good to see penn state going for it on 4th and 1 from the 50.

97. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 23, 2023 at 09:35 PM (#6142114)

Iowa, 1st half:

first downs: 2
turnovers: 2
points: 0

98. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 23, 2023 at 10:03 PM (#6142116)

jesus christ.

this is one hell of an asskicking.

99. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 23, 2023 at 10:15 PM (#6142118)

that's one hell of a throw and a damn good catch.

100. a brief article regarding 57i66135 Posted: September 23, 2023 at 10:18 PM (#6142120)

puff... puff...

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