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The rest of the “Four Corners” schools are heading to the Big 12. Arizona, Arizona State and Utah will all join Colorado in the Big 12 starting ahead of the 2024-25 athletic season, the conference announced Friday night. In adding three more Pac-12 teams, the Big 12 in 2024 will swell to 16 programs, the largest membership in league history.
Colorado was the first to jettison the Pac-12 for the Big 12 last week ahead of the Pac-12 finally unveiling a proposed media rights deal that was not received positively. Big 12 presidents unanimously voted to welcome Arizona into the league Thursday and did the same in a Friday meeting for Arizona State and Utah, sources told CBS Sports’ Dennis Dodd. The schools’ respective Boards of Regents formalized their transitions into the Big 12 on Friday night.
And not to be outdone:
Oregon and Washington have joined the Big Ten, the universities and conference announced Friday night. The programs become the third and fourth Pac-12 members to leave the conference for the Big Ten in the last 13 months.
...
The programs, both charter members of the Pac-12 dating back to 1915, informed Pac-12 presidents earlier Friday that they planned to accept invitations from the Big Ten. The Big Ten made those formal offers later Friday with both Oregon and Washington officially approving the measures.
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1. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: August 07, 2023 at 11:44 AM (#6138231)Sure hope 2023 is a great season, because it's the last one in which the sport will be remotely recognizable.
One thing that's notable about the Big Ten realignment is that EVERYONE hates it. Oregon fans hate it, Big Ten fans hate it, college football fans at large hate it. I haven't seen a single civilian speak in favor of it.
If you aimed for general geographic compactness, you'd end up with something like:
West: USC, UCLA, Washington, Wash St. Oregon, Oregon St. Utah, BYU, Ariz, Ariz State, Cal, Stanford, Colorado, SDSU, UC Davis, UNLV
Plains: Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa St, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northeast: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Penn State, Syracuse, Rutgers, Maryland, Pitt, Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia Tech
Southeast: Florida, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Virginia, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, LSU, Clemson, Georgia, South Carolina, Miami, Florida State, Duke
(I'm sure folks could nitpick that list to death, but just as an illustration)
Why the powers that be couldn't get together and figure something out is beyond me.
Some nits to pick.
Replace one of the last three in the west with Boise State. Replace Northwestern with Louisville.
I haven't heard a lot of talk about this, but with the super-conferences, there will be a lot of cannibalization and teams finishing 9-3 rather than 11-1. I suppose it doesn't matter since the playoff is going to 16 teams, but the regular season (which to me is what makes CFB special) continues to be de-valued.
I would enjoy this as a WVU fan. Particularly love that BC gets left out.
Realignment has been damaging the sport ever since I became a fan (2005ish), so I'm pretty jaded at this point. While I think this is bad, I think the fact that realignment has become an excuse to require you to buy 13 different streaming and cable packages is actually a bigger threat to the sport.
Last thought: I know the conference shakeup doesn't go into effect until 2024, but what if Stanford, Cal, WSU, and whoever I"m forgetting stay pat....will one of them get an automatic CFP bid?
Is this a trick question or what exactly? They couldn't do that because tv contracts are king. Splitting tv money with Syracuse, Pitt, Kentucky, W Virginia, and V Tech would be a negative move for the Big Ten teams in that conference.
This was going to happen regardless of realignment.
CFP expansion doesn't begin until 2024.
Big 12 - 16 teams
Pac 12 - 4 teams (at the moment)
Big Ten - 18 teams
works for me !
Thanksgiving weekend: Conference championship games (de facto national first round)
1st weekend of December: Army-Navy
2nd weekend of December: National Quarterfinals (rotated between existing bowl sites)
3rd weekend of December: National Semifinals (ditto)
January 1st: Rose Bowl/National Championship (always in Pasadena, always on New Year's Day [except when it falls on a Sunday])
Don't even. If you had told me that Michigan and The School Down South were going to score a freakin' 86 points between them in their semifinal games, I would've said, "Ohmygod! It's a rematch for the National Championship!" But, no. (It's called tackling, guys. Try it sometime!)
So, we wound up with a National Championship Game that...well, the only question is, was it (1) the worst football game of all time or (2) The worst anything of all time...?
@TheAthletic
BREAKING: The ACC is in the early stages of exploring the idea of adding Stanford and Cal as league members, sources confirm to @NicoleAuerbach.
...........
(maybe they can rebrand to just "The Coast Conference")
Pac 12 - 2 teams (Wash St, Oregon St, if this goes through)
that's an easy rebrand - just blur the "1" in the marketing stuff !)
Not necessarily, but doesn't make a big difference.
Then make them 12-team conferences. Heck, the Big 10 could just be Ohio State and Michigan. Whatever, just so there are 4 conferences with one playoff slot each.
You are missing the point. The people in charge do not give a crap what a bunch of fans who already watch and spend money on college football think is the neatest, cleanest format to pick a champion. It's about selling more tv packages, and getting your brand in front of the most people possible, in particular the casuals.
Wellll doggies, that’s some fancy ciphering’!
They're #### at that as well. You're saying that the realignment of the past 10 years is part of a carefully-orchestrated plan to maximize CFB TV revenue? No -- it's pure chaos, and saying that it's chaos inspired by greed doesn't make it any more sensible or likely to achieve its goal. In fact, they're busy driving away the fans who spend the most money on CFB.
The real answer is that all the conferences have different media rights contracts that expire at different times, so there's no point at which everyone can say "we're all realigning now". Besides that, the conferences and even individual schools all have different situations for commitment lengths, withdrawal notice period, exit fees, and so on. So what you get is piecemeal chaos whenever a conference or a school thinks it has an opening to do better.
If you want to vote against it, stop feeding ESPN and Fox your advertising eyeballs... but you won't.
As a 49er fan who remembers when the St. Louis Rams were the second most western team in the NFC West, Cal/Stanford in the ACC doesn't actually confuse me that much.
Contracts are made to be broken, especially when there are several very large money trucks backing up to college athletic departments around the country.
BEEP...BEEP...BEEP...!!
Well, back before the Big Ten took Nebraska, each program was getting about $22M per year from all tv deals, including basketball and the Big Ten Network. The version of the national football tv deals that included USC and UCLA but not Washington and Oregon pay out $80-100M per year. That doesn't include basketball or the Big Ten Network. So yeah, I'd say the Big Ten has done a pretty good job at maximizing their revenue through expansion.
They most certainly are not. The diehards may be upset, but the dirty secret that the powers that be know is that those people are going to tune in anyway.
but I can't argue that diehards will walk away - they are hooked.
this year, they have a redshirt freshman starting QB, and they opened 7th in the SID poll.
oh, and that 27 year old ###### somehow managed to also get drafted in the 5th round. not even in baseball; in football.
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fall out boy's music was weird and interesting at one point.
nickleback has only ever made the simplest, least interesting, lowest common denominator, kidz bop level, dense as cotton candy pop/rock music.
but anyway, i agree with you in general. if we're digging back that far, ESPN might as well pull out some blues traveler.
That is a terrible song by a terrible band and is neither weird nor interesting.
Gators looked like they were gonna make a game of this for awhile, but I dunno. Feels like the dam about to break already.
yawn.
I don't know much, but some yakker on ESPN Radio the other day said that, and the altitude at U of Utah that always seems to flummox first-time visitors, influenced his prediction.
#blindsquirrel
#acorn
#maybe
so while I find it to be incredibly lame, it's not just a U of FL issue.
I get that the SEC schedule is brutal. but still, maybe young men on the team and the staff all around it would benefit a bit from spending a couple of days outside of Florida and the same SEC landing spots almost every year (I suppose this super-league stuff will alleviate some of the shortcoming).
And while Herbie is a big Mertz booster tonight, all I'm seeing is a guy who's started a ton of games at this level who is nonetheless helpless when faced with such adversity as "3rd and 6".
was not watching the game, and knew it was 24-3 in the 4th quarter. I'm up 15 1/2 points, so it's over, right?
TD and 2-point conversion and it's 24-11 and the Gators are on the march in the final 2 minutes before petering out. I did tune in for a few plays.
just curious - if they score there to make it 24-17, do they go for 1 or for 2?
I would think 1, and a lot of the biggest-spending boosters may have gotten Florida plus 6, so steal a "push" for them and they walk away relieved. or double down and try to win cash for all their backers, whether at 5 1/2 or 6?
not that gambling would ever enter the calculus - I would be shocked, shocked !
I fell asleep before the inevitable Husker collapse! Ah well, there will be more no doubt.
4 plays, 95 yards, TD
At any rate, unless I missed something, the biggest upset of the weekend by point spread was Texas State's win at Baylor, in which Baylor was favored by 26.5 points. Colorado was close behind, with TCU favored by 21.
Also of note, is that not a single FCS team beat an FBS team in Week 0 or Week 1. Not sure when the last time that happened was, but I'm quite sure it hasn't happened in at least the last 10 years. Some close calls, but not even all that many, really. The closest we came was FBS newb Jacksonville State beating UTEP, so way to go, lesser(?) Gamecocks. The other FBS newb, Sam Houston, dutifully lost to BYU.
apparently the spread is the largest vs a Power 5 by a nobody in, like, forever.
It is indeed next Saturday and is Virginia's first home game since last year's shootings. Noon ET on ESPNU, which I presume will show some of the pre-game memorial(s).
And UVa is at home! This would be a 10-ish point spread on a neutral site and pushing 2 TDs if JMU was hosting.
Anyway, speaking of, the Sun Belt has actually become a fairly decent football conference. I think they're rather obviously a step up from CUSA, MAC, and MW now, and I'm not even sure the gap between them and the newly reconfigured AAC is all that big or even exists.
Anyway, stop dropping passes in the end zone, Texas.
Then a second review is initiated, and the call is upheld despite being clearly wrong.
App State inside the UNC 20 with two minutes left trailing by three.
LSU’s defense looks awful against Grambling. Lots of wide open Grambling receivers and poor LSU tackling. If they can’t turn this around, it could be a long season in Baton Rouge.
Overtime.
Blame the Gators playing an FCS team - I always skip those games.
Otherwise, my main observation through two weeks is that the SEC looks terrible. Gators spanked by Utah, Alabama spanked by Texas, LSU spanked by FSU, South Carolina spanked by the Tarheels, A&M spanked by Miami, even Vandy getting spanked by Wake. A couple of games left to go tonight - including Mississippi State letting Arizona take them into OT as I write this, which isn't great regardless of how things turn out - but right at this moment, the only SEC win against another Power 5 team is last week's Tennessee win over a terrible Virginia team. That's fewer than the Mountain West has managed! Although I guess Ole Miss's win at Tulane is pretty solid.
EDIT: Mississippi State pulls it out in OT, so that's 2 wins, tying the Mountain West. Auburn-Cal still in the first quarter to potentially decide SEC/Mountain West bragging rights.
American: 1-10 (lone win: Rice over P5 newb Houston)
ACC: 4-4
Big 12: 4-5
B1G: 3-3
CUSA: 0-4 (only 4??)
MAC: 1-10 (lone win: NIU over BC)
MW: 2-12
PAC-12: 6-3
SEC: 3-6
Sun Belt: 2-6
A trio of FCS wins over FBS teams yesterday:
Southern Illinois 14, Northern Illinois 11
Fordham 30, Buffalo 27
Idaho 33, Nevada 6
Second straight year for SIU to pull one out, they beat Northwestern last year, too. Also the second straight year for both Nevada and Buffalo to go down against an FCS opponent, after losing to Incarnate Word and Holy Cross last year, respectively.
Also, one of my favorite things is when a P5 team does not schedule any out-of-conference P5 opponents, but then loses a non-conference game anyway. So far we have two teams doing the non-conference Walk of Shame so far this year:
Boston College: lost to Northern Illinois
Houston: lost to Rice
Here's hoping that Michigan suffers the wrath of the gods and somehow finds a way to lose to Bowling Green as punishment for their pitiful, gutless, cowardly non-conference schedule. Other P5 teams without a P5 non-conference game: Oklahoma, Oregon State, UCF, and UCLA, who all are pathetic but AT LEAST had the decency to schedule true road games out-of-conference, even if only UCF among those actually have unfavorable travel for those games (they played @Boise State yesterday, which is legit IMO).
it's a torn ACL waiting to happen.
-- kurt herbstreit
just make a new ####### penalty for it: advancing the ball out of the endzone. it's a 5 yard penalty from the spot of the fumble. boom. done.
don't have Amazon Prime, but I know pretty much what this play must be.
it is intriguing in all sports when there are rules that are so stupefying inane, yet it's as if these rules have brilliant PR firms that annually convince all involved to keep it on the books.
and this one has several alternatives - all of them much, much better than the current scenario. is there even any debate on this?
-- curt herbstreit
so this is what you get.
The current rule makes sense. If you fumble the ball out of either endzone, it belongs to the team defending that goal as a touchback. Nice and symmetrical. You can't award a TD to the offense for fumbling, and no other spot would be consistent with how we treat fumbles out of bounds.
This interpretation is also not consistent with how we treat fumbles out of bounds, in how the fumbling team retains possession in every other case.
I say push it back to the 20 but allow the offense to keep it. That would be similar to how we treat punts for the defensive team, you can get it as close as possible to the 20, but go over the line and the defense loses 20 yards.
thank you.
I believe that you believe it - and I truly wondered if anyone on Earth felt that way.
so that's one, I suppose.
my preference - aside from ANYTHING is better than the status quo - is the same as SoSH.
bouncing the offense back to the 20-yard line is significantly, and sufficiently, punitive.
Also:
Hey, only two points off. Well, and three INTs, but the one Joe Milton INT was so bad that it should count for four.
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