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Monday, December 23, 2019

OT - NBA Thread 2020

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, and hopefully none of the other ones posted a duplicate thread to this.

Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: December 23, 2019 at 04:40 PM | 1420 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1301. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: February 12, 2020 at 09:31 PM (#5924033)
Flip.
   1302. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 12, 2020 at 09:47 PM (#5924037)
The Nets, of all people, snap the Raptors' 15-win streak.
   1303. spivey Posted: February 12, 2020 at 09:47 PM (#5924038)
I don't understand why the goaltend can't be a reviewable call like foot on the line.
   1304. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: February 12, 2020 at 09:51 PM (#5924040)
Jim Petersen is reminiscing about the Run-TMC Warriors. I loved that team.
   1305. Howie Menckel Posted: February 12, 2020 at 10:15 PM (#5924043)
Today I learned there was a Cliff Robinson before Uncle Cliffy.

I knew this about 40 years ago, when I saw the New Jersey Nets - who then played at the Rutgers Athletic Center, pre-Meadowlands - feature "Kazoo Night" to celebrate Cliff's 19th or was it 20th birthday.

the caterwauling of all those kazoos attempting "Happy Birthday" at halftime was - a very tough listen.
   1306. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: February 12, 2020 at 10:16 PM (#5924044)
the caterwauling of all those kazoos attempting "Happy Birthday" at halftime was - a very tough listen.

That was some intern's one great idea.
   1307. i hear there are a lot of dead animals in 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2020 at 11:03 PM (#5924053)
the caterwauling of all those kazoos attempting "Happy Birthday" at halftime was - a very tough listen.
anything like this?


(anyone who clicks on a 57i66135 link deserves what they get)
   1308. i hear there are a lot of dead animals in 57i66135 Posted: February 12, 2020 at 11:39 PM (#5924060)
who the #### is this shitbag on ESPN doing pbp for LAL/DEN? he's a ####### cancer.
   1309. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 13, 2020 at 12:04 AM (#5924061)
Lebron is just an unstoppable machine.
   1310. If on a winter's night a traveling violation Posted: February 13, 2020 at 12:34 AM (#5924066)
Nuggets-Lakers is 111-111 and we're going to OT. Fun fact: 111 in base 111 is a prime number.
   1311. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 13, 2020 at 12:52 AM (#5924069)
32-14-12 for James tonight.
   1312. Howie Menckel Posted: February 13, 2020 at 12:57 AM (#5924070)
the caterwauling of all those kazoos attempting "Happy Birthday" at halftime was - a very tough listen.

so I haven't thought about a kazoo in 35 years or so. tonight I type that message - and watching a replay of tonight's "Modern Family" new episode, there is a Facebook commercial with two young women who walk out of their boring college class to enjoy their - kazoos. it appears the tone of the commercial is "there is a group for everyone."

now, it's one thing when we get ads here that relate to interests we have - internet's gonna internet.
but wtf? I'm watching a DVR'd program on a classic TV.
and hell, I've never even been on Facebook.

[we now resume our regularly-scheduled NBA programming.]
   1313. i hear there are a lot of dead animals in 57i66135 Posted: February 13, 2020 at 01:05 AM (#5924072)
from bill simmons' the ringer, a site that probably isn't covertly gathering terabytes of howie menckel's most sensitive personal information and selling it for $3 to anyone who has a credit card number, but maybe...:
After the game, Embiid said he felt that if the fans can dish it, they should also be prepared to take it. “They’ve been going at me. I went back at them. We’re all human beings. If I can take it, everybody else can too,” he said, noting that he knows he could be doing a better job on the court and that the team still has championship aspirations. “I could have shushed them again, but it was all about having fun again, getting back to myself … I do know that [the fans] got my back. Through the injuries and what we been through, I’m still here.”
...
Embiid’s response, at least for a moment, gave Philly fans what they had been craving. What a beautifully deranged church, a fan base filled with haters who pray that their fanciful dreams, positioned as expletives, get answered. This all might seem silly to some. Where you come from, perhaps. In Philadelphia, next to our dirty rivers and even filthier dispositions, we just call this charm.

   1314. tshipman Posted: February 13, 2020 at 01:40 AM (#5924078)
More and more I think the Lakers don't need to pick anyone up, just nail Rondo's ass to the bench and give Caruso his minutes.
   1315. jmurph Posted: February 13, 2020 at 10:28 AM (#5924141)
This is funny:
Sean Cunningham @SeanCunningham
Kings coach Luke Walton after picking up a technical in the 3rd quarter, calls over to Luka Doncic and says:

"Hey Luka, do me a favor, give him your autograph after the game. (points at official) - He's a fan, he's a fan of yours."
   1316. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: February 13, 2020 at 11:24 AM (#5924166)
Andrew Wiggins has been silencing critics ever since trade to Warriors

At the moment, Wiggins is taking advantage of the opportunity. Against the Suns, he showed potential. Six minutes into the game, he hit a 3-pointer in front of Golden State's bench, giving the Warriors a two-point lead. A minute later, he found Marquese Chriss on an alley-oop pass. More vital, he finished with a career-high four blocks, hounding Devin Booker much of night, impressing coaches along the way.

"He's a great weapon to have," Warriors coach Steve Kerr said. "And we're still learning how to use him and what he's comfortable with and how to use him and experiment."


Good luck with that Warriors fans. We saw multiple "A corner has been turned" over the years. Wiggins can be good in bursts, but over the long run? I will believe it when I see it.
   1317. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 13, 2020 at 11:57 AM (#5924181)
Andrew Wiggins has been silencing critics ever since trade to Warriors
It's been THREE GAMES. It's easy to look amazing if you're 8-15 from the arc. I'm going to put my money on "unsustainable."
   1318. aberg Posted: February 13, 2020 at 11:59 AM (#5924182)
Nuggets-Lakers is 111-111 and we're going to OT. Fun fact: 111 in base 111 is a prime number.


I'm in Denver for work and got to go to the game. If I only get to see one NBA game live this year, I'm glad it was this one. Lebron just took over everything. Jokic was the one getting tired at the end (although having Javale and Dwight leaning on you for 3 hours will do that) even though Lebron is 35. Davis made some nice plays, but they were mostly set up by Lebron.

I thought the game was at 7, but it was 8 for the TV slot, so I got there an hour and 20 minutes early. Here are some fun shootaround items. Javale warmed up with the hood of his hoodie up and headphones over the hood (??). I realized that I love old man Dwight. His warm-up was a series of crazy sweeping hook shots that he set up by dancing to the arena music, then shooting giant arcing threes from the corner and the logo for 15 minutes.

Like tship said, it was notable that the Lakers were using Caruso in the offense-for-defense subs late in the game. When they needed buckets, he was on the floor instead of a true center, then Dwight would come back in at the other end.

The Murray-Jokic two-man game is excellent. They don't even generate that much space, they just use the space they have exceptionally well.

There were obviously quite a few Laker fans at the game, but I was surprised that there wasn't more Kobe gear (maybe a Colorado thing?) I would guess that 60% of the Laker jerseys were Lebron. I saw as many Lonzo jerseys as AD ones. I also saw a Quinn Cook, Kareem, Magic, Baylor, West, and Worthy. Among home-town jerseys, people seem to really like the black alternates with the rainbow stripes. They're not bad, but it seems like too many different colors on one jersey.

Good luck with that Warriors fans. We saw multiple "A corner has been turned" over the years. Wiggins can be good in bursts, but over the long run? I will believe it when I see it.


No kidding. The most predictable development of the year was Wiggins getting motivated and focused for 2 weeks after the trade and then fading back into the clouds. He'll probably play well against the Wolves from now on, though. That brings the list to Toronto, Minnesota, and Cleveland. Maybe if he gets traded enough times, he'll be motivated against enough teams to make him good.
   1319. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: February 13, 2020 at 12:12 PM (#5924188)
Awesome list of LeBron stories on The Athletic.

My favorite, from John Lucas after watching LeBron in high school: "I saw him play the first game, and couldn’t stop watching. And the next time I saw LeBron, I said, “You might be as good as Bimbo Coles.” "
   1320. jmurph Posted: February 13, 2020 at 12:28 PM (#5924196)
Respect for this one:
Kevin Love, Cleveland Cavaliers, former Cavs teammate: D-Wade has said it before and I hate that I have to quote him. But when we go international, which is obviously always Toronto, he won’t turn on his phone. It’s only WiFi. He’s the cheapest ####### guy. He’s like, “That’s bullshit. I won’t turn on my phone.” He won’t turn on data roaming. He’ll only go when we’re either at the arena or at the Shangri-La, “Hey, what’s the WiFi?” Internationally and in Toronto, he’ll never pay for it.
   1321. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: February 13, 2020 at 12:29 PM (#5924198)
Damn

I always had a soft spot for Eddy, and was really bummed things didn't work out for him in Chicago*. I remember saying all the time back than that Curry had all the talent and Chandler had the drive/attitue; that if you combined the best parts of them, you're talking about an all-time great. Some of the stuff I knew, others I didn't.

*Though I have no problems with how the Bulls benefited from sending him to the Knicks (the pick that turned out to be Noah).
   1322. Booey Posted: February 13, 2020 at 12:30 PM (#5924199)
#1319 - I always wondered why a grown man would let people call him Bimbo...
   1323. i hear there are a lot of dead animals in 57i66135 Posted: February 13, 2020 at 01:26 PM (#5924219)
#1319 - I always wondered why a grown man would let people call him Bimbo...
it's pronounced "beem-BO"
   1324. tshipman Posted: February 13, 2020 at 01:47 PM (#5924228)
Small sample size alert:

Post trade on/off and net:

Andrew Wiggins: +4.6 on/off, net: +13.6
D'Angelo Russell: -11.7 on/off, net: -8.0
   1325. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: February 13, 2020 at 02:04 PM (#5924232)
With Verizon, at least, you can get international roaming in Canada for $5 a day.
   1326. Booey Posted: February 13, 2020 at 02:29 PM (#5924237)
Based on...well, the rest of his career, part of me is still waiting for the other shoe to drop on the Jordan Clarkson experience, but for now I'm loving it. He's basically been Lou Williams off the bench for the Jazz; in 24 games he's averaging 16.2 ppg on .487 FG% and .386 3PT% on six 3-per attempts a game. And in the last 8 games, he's at 21.8 ppg on .559 FG% and .509 3P%. He's already got nine 20 pt games off the bench for Utah; the rest of their bench has one (Mudiay). He's been exactly what the team needed, especially since they only had to give up a benchwarmer who wasn't even in the rotation anymore to get him.
   1327. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: February 13, 2020 at 02:29 PM (#5924238)
Damn


I had to close the tab, dammit.
   1328. If on a winter's night a traveling violation Posted: February 13, 2020 at 02:31 PM (#5924239)
One thing that points towards a meaningful difference in Wiggins’ minutes as a Warrior: 74% of his buckets have come off an assist, compared to 46% earlier this season in Minny (his previous high was 55%). We’ve seen good stretches out of him before, and I expect him to come back to earth in some ways, but I genuinely do expect his game to look better in a motion offense.
   1329. Booey Posted: February 13, 2020 at 04:55 PM (#5924292)
Devin Booker named Lillard's replacement for the AS game (team LeBron) and 3-pt contest.

That now makes 10 first time All Stars this season. Pretty sure just about all of us are gonna get points in our preseason wacky predictions contest on that "name 2 first time All Stars" question (other than those who picked Mike Conley, of course).
   1330. jmurph Posted: February 13, 2020 at 10:36 PM (#5924359)
Man when Lou Williams is on he makes eeeeeeeverything.
   1331. Fourth True Outcome Posted: February 13, 2020 at 11:31 PM (#5924362)
I'm jetlagged on vacation in Europe and having trouble sleeping so I turned on the Celtics game when it went to overtime and hooooly cow was that a good choice.
   1332. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 14, 2020 at 09:29 AM (#5924391)
Since that first night late flurry from deep, Zion is 0-7 from three in 9 games. Not a knock, it serves to highlight how truly WTF that one stretch was.
   1333. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 14, 2020 at 09:35 AM (#5924392)
Thanks for posting that Eddy Curry link, Moses.
   1334. Booey Posted: February 14, 2020 at 10:03 AM (#5924398)
#1332 - The 3-pt line might not be his true range yet. Still funny that he had more 3's his first game than Ben Simmons does in his career, though.
   1335. . . . . . . Posted: February 14, 2020 at 10:18 AM (#5924399)
He can’t really shoot 3s.

He’s posting shaq-like offensive numbers. He’s 19.
   1336. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: February 14, 2020 at 01:47 PM (#5924435)
From Lowe's column today:

He [KAT] ranks last among centers in ESPN's defensive real plus-minus, and 484th out of 490 players.


I know we talk about it here a lot, but that still blows my mind.

Then again, opponents have hit only 52% in the restricted area with Towns nearby, per NBA.com -- a stingy number. Opponents are getting to the rim and the foul line less often with Towns on the floor. Minnesota's defense has been way worse with Towns mostly because opponents have hit 41% of their 3s, and 32.7% when he rests. How much of that is on Towns? How much is luck?

Overall, Towns has been a below-average defender. But there is a decent one in here -- not a great one, but good enough to (eventually) go deep into the postseason. It's time to see that player.
   1337. tshipman Posted: February 14, 2020 at 02:57 PM (#5924464)
I love Lowe, but he's seriously unreadable on the Raptors.

Toronto's 15-game winning streak is over, but man, is this team a joy. The Raptors bring a combination of toughness, intelligence, and confidence that is really hard to find.

Some of that was within them before they went all the way last season. But maybe winning a title cements it inside you, makes it permanent -- part of your bloodstream. You know what it takes -- how hard it is, how dialed in you have to be every second of every possession -- and that you and everyone with your shared experience can summon that. Imagine how powerful that knowledge is? Even guys who played no role on last season's team -- Chris Boucher, Terence Davis, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Matt Thomas -- seem imbued with it.


Isn't the bolded kind of evidence that the previous sentence is full of ####?
   1338. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: February 14, 2020 at 03:16 PM (#5924472)
Yeah, that's a bit over the top.

Every journalist has to puff sources if he wants to keep having sources and Lowe is no exception (and Ujiri seems to be one of Lowe's very best sources). Lowe is usually better than anyone else I've read at threading the needle on puffing without puffing too much, and getting away with saying negative things by couching them in silky soft terms.
   1339. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 14, 2020 at 03:35 PM (#5924479)
I wasn't knocking Zion at all (he's fantastic) - it's just astounding that that was one of the more surprising stretch of basketball I've ever seen.
   1340. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: February 14, 2020 at 03:53 PM (#5924486)
Curry link: Reminded me that "we don't know these guys." I also thought of that when I saw Draymond Green talking as the father of a little girl about Kobe and Gianna Bryant dying together.
Lowe: He is very skilled but becoming an insider has changed his work. And yes, that sounds like a Raptors blogger.
   1341. Tin Angel Posted: February 14, 2020 at 08:25 PM (#5924542)
I’ve got my ####### mortgage riding on this celebrity game and these guys seem to just want to joke around and have fun.
   1342. puck Posted: February 14, 2020 at 11:17 PM (#5924551)
Zion's shot chart is hilarious. There's the 4 3 pointers from his 1st game, 1 make from about 12 feet, 3 from 3-10 feet, and then a big green splotch under the basket, shading to the left side, representing 75 field goals at the rim.
   1343. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: February 15, 2020 at 09:52 PM (#5924685)
Thought I would give the thread a little air at least until Mookie Betts Trade/the Astros' Sign Stealing scandal re-submerges it:

Anthony Davis:

Q: Do you let yourself think about what might have been if Kawhi had decided to be a Laker this summer?

A: “No. I don’t like Kawhi... No, I’m kidding. Kawhi is my guy. I just saw him over here... At the time when it was going down, before he decided, you think about what the team could be, the defensive mindset we could have, the scoring ability we could have. Me him and ‘Bron is obviously something that teams would fear, but all I’ll say is that I think he made the league interesting. He made the league fun. And that’s the great thing about sports. You never know what’s going to happen, and now we kind of have this, as you guys would say quote unquote ‘rivalry’ in L.A., and so it’s fun.


Adam Silver via Marc Stein:

Marc Stein

@TheSteinLine
· 2h
The NBA has named its All-Star MVP trophy in Kobe Bryant's honor, Adam Silver announces


Marc Stein

@TheSteinLine
"The Kobe Bryant MVP Award"
   1344. Tin Angel Posted: February 15, 2020 at 10:01 PM (#5924686)
Why do they need referees at the dunk contest?
   1345. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: February 15, 2020 at 10:06 PM (#5924687)
   1346. JJ1986 Posted: February 15, 2020 at 10:19 PM (#5924689)
All dunks are rated on a point scale from 9 to 10.
   1347. Howie Menckel Posted: February 15, 2020 at 11:41 PM (#5924696)
props to usually aggressive NJ regulators - they, unlike NV, allowed betting on last week's Academy Awards - who refused to permit wagering on that rigged Slam Dunk Contest. they were not comfortable with the fact that the judges were not NBA employees and might have other agendas (didja notice?).
   1348. Tin Angel Posted: February 16, 2020 at 09:29 PM (#5924794)
Defensive effort has been lacking so far.
   1349. Booey Posted: February 16, 2020 at 10:18 PM (#5924802)
After the first few possessions, I went to post, "Hey, they're actually at least SORTA playing defense!"...but in the time it took to get my phone out of my pocket, that thought already hadn't aged well...
   1350. smileyy Posted: February 16, 2020 at 10:39 PM (#5924804)
I'm interested in seeing how the 4th quarter goes, re: defense and competitiveness
   1351. smileyy Posted: February 16, 2020 at 10:46 PM (#5924805)
So, game to 174 if I did my math right?
   1352. smileyy Posted: February 16, 2020 at 11:04 PM (#5924807)
Whoops got the rules wrong.
   1353. Booey Posted: February 16, 2020 at 11:12 PM (#5924810)
Wow, surprisingly good 4th quarter. Maybe this new format might actually be working. Everyone looks like they *gasp!* actually care!
   1354. Booey Posted: February 16, 2020 at 11:15 PM (#5924811)
Defensive stops, strategic fouls, free throws, Lowry taking charges, a replay review, even a coaches challenge! This actually looks like...NBA basketball!
   1355. smileyy Posted: February 16, 2020 at 11:17 PM (#5924812)
Man I like this format
   1356. PJ Martinez Posted: February 16, 2020 at 11:19 PM (#5924813)
I might start regularly watching he fourth quarters of all star games.
   1357. PJ Martinez Posted: February 16, 2020 at 11:30 PM (#5924814)
Hilarious that it’s ending with a coach’s challenge and a free throw, though.

Edit: And he misses the first one! That was fun.
   1358. Booey Posted: February 16, 2020 at 11:31 PM (#5924815)
The first half was still a$$ of course, but the 3rd quarter was okay and the 4th was actually really exciting.

Mitchell didn't do much, but I enjoyed seeing Gobert make his presence known off the bench (not in the 4th, of course).
   1359. smileyy Posted: February 16, 2020 at 11:59 PM (#5924818)
Yeah I was really waiting for it to end with a ridiculous 3 pointer. Kind of anticlimactic and also it's really cool to think of every game having a game winning shot with this format.
   1360. Eric L Posted: February 17, 2020 at 12:17 AM (#5924819)
I don’t know how it would work as a regular thing but I loved it. It fixed all that is wrong with the endgame.
   1361. i hear there are a lot of dead animals in 57i66135 Posted: February 17, 2020 at 07:08 AM (#5924830)
from bill simmons' the ringer, a site which probably doesn't rhyme with 'my wife is a gay paraplegic parking attendant', but maybe...:

Statistic First Three Quarters Fourth Quarter
FG% 55.5% 35.5%
Free Throw Rate 6.5% 57.7%
AST per TOV 2.5 0.7
BLK% 6.2% 30.4%
   1362. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: February 17, 2020 at 10:40 AM (#5924848)
That was quite the helluva recruiting pitch the NBA gave Chicago this weekend. Too bad there isn't a pro team here.

---

Talk has been rampant throughout All-Star weekend about expected changes to the Bulls’ front office. According to multiple sources, Reinsdorf has been using this week to continue seeking input from confidantes around the league on candidates for what one source described as “an empowered presence” in the front office.

While no final decisions have been made, the expected addition would take on the day-to-day operations and become a fresh voice and face of the franchise. It’s unclear what this addition’s title would be, however general manager Gar Forman likely will remain in the scouting role he has worked in this season while Paxson would still report to the Reinsdorfs.

The scouting department also is expected to undergo a significant facelift, sources said.

As for the future of coach Jim Boylen, who signed an extension last summer, he still has significant support from the Reinsdorfs and Paxson. Whether he returns or not could be the first test of the autonomy of this expected new hire.


How ####### hard is it to just fire everyone and start over? Why would you come to "run" this team if you're not going to really get to run it?
   1363. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: February 17, 2020 at 01:02 PM (#5924877)
Speaking of teams that have no clue what they are doing in cities that start with C, apparently the Cavs and Beilein are discussing him stepping down.
   1364. aberg Posted: February 17, 2020 at 06:51 PM (#5924967)
Speaking of teams that have no clue what they are doing in cities that start with C


I thought for sure this was leading to a Hornets post.
   1365. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: February 18, 2020 at 01:05 PM (#5925109)
Rockets are signing both DeMarre Carroll and Jeff Green following their buyouts. I'm a little surprised the Spurs bought our Carroll, since his contract goes into next year (and has an option for the following one, I think).

Jeff Green is going to keep playing until he's 50, right?
   1366. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 18, 2020 at 01:15 PM (#5925119)
Well, he does have the same skill set as Lebron, so....
   1367. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: February 18, 2020 at 01:35 PM (#5925135)
This will be Green's 9th team (10* if you want to count Sonics/Thunder separately). What's the record for the NBA? He feels like a guy that almost every team will give him a chance at least once to prove he's not LeBron.

*SEA/OKC, BOS, MEM, LAC, ORL, CLE, WAS, UTA, HOU

EDIT: Answering my own question. Yeah, I bet he can at least tie the record of 12. Maybe Ish gets there first.
   1368. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: February 18, 2020 at 01:39 PM (#5925138)
The whole saga from this summer really ended up badly for the Spurs -- Marcus Morris agreeing to sign with them resulted in transmuting Bertans (breakout season) into Carroll (flamed out -> buyout), but after the betrayal the Knicks ended up trading Morris for a pretty decent haul. Now the Spurs have dead Carroll money, no Bertans, no Morris, and no assets. Not ideal.
   1369. jmurph Posted: February 18, 2020 at 02:05 PM (#5925144)
The whole saga from this summer really ended up badly for the Spurs

It feels like most of their moves since the Kawhi saga (probably including the trade, though I'm unsure what else was available) have been less than ideal.
   1370. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 18, 2020 at 04:30 PM (#5925180)
Pistons to buy out Reggie Jackson, who will join the Clips.
   1371. Howie Menckel Posted: February 18, 2020 at 04:45 PM (#5925183)
Joe Smith, Tony Massenburg, Jim Jackson and Chucky Brown each played for 12 teams - in each case, including the Nets.

active leader is Ish Smith with 11. he hasn't played his "Nets card" yet.
   1372. Quaker Posted: February 18, 2020 at 05:03 PM (#5925191)
The Morris signing wasn't related to Carroll. Carroll was the Spurs' first target & signing. After Carroll had agreed, they decided to move Bertans to add Morris. I think they did have to throw in the option year to Carroll for obscure cap reasons to accommodate Morris, but otherwise the Carroll signing was not related to Morris.
   1373. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: February 18, 2020 at 08:49 PM (#5925243)
I think the Clips getting Jackson is a good move for them even if it is just to keep him from the Lakers. Am I wrong?
   1374. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: February 18, 2020 at 09:22 PM (#5925250)
I think the Clips getting Jackson is a good move for them even if it is just to keep him from the Lakers. Am I wrong?


It is weird. Feel like other teams could use Jackson more than the Clippers. Apparently he is friends with Paul George so maybe that mattered.
   1375. tshipman Posted: February 18, 2020 at 09:25 PM (#5925251)
I dunno ... Reggie Jackson is pretty bad, and kind of a ball stopper. I don't think he can play at the same time as Lou Will or Pat Beverly.
   1376. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: February 18, 2020 at 09:36 PM (#5925252)
Yeah, I think Jackson doesn't help the Clippers and might make them worse. Easy to imagine him and Lou getting in a fistfight at practice in April, while Harrell stands nearby with his hands on his hips and rolls his eyes, because there's only one ball.
   1377. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: February 18, 2020 at 11:09 PM (#5925264)
Aren't the Lakers really struggling when LeBron is not playing? They need another ballhandler, someone who can create offense, even if it is fof 10 minutes a game. Rondo's numbers sans LeBron have been bad, right?
   1378. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 19, 2020 at 08:53 AM (#5925288)
I'm not really a Reggie Jackson fan and was surprised to see that he's been solid for the last several year in RPM. That said, a weakness of the Clippers is ball handling and the Lakers could've really used him.
   1379. jmurph Posted: February 19, 2020 at 10:56 AM (#5925324)
Aren't the Lakers really struggling when LeBron is not playing? They need another ballhandler, someone who can create offense, even if it is fof 10 minutes a game. Rondo's numbers sans LeBron have been bad, right?

I agree, but I think the path to them winning the title has LeBron on the court for like 42 minutes a night from round 2 on anyway.
   1380. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: February 19, 2020 at 12:15 PM (#5925379)
Jackson is repped by Aaron Mintz, who also reps D'Angelo Russell, Julius Randle, Lonzo Ball, and Paul George, so even though the Lakers could have used Jackson, he never even talked to them. Mintz is, uhh, a little salty when it comes to the purple-and-gold.

The Lakers need help on the wing and a secondary ballhandler who can play off-ball. I don't think that Jackson will help the Clippers much, but it (along with Marvin Williams joining Milwaukee) just reinforces my opinion that the Bucks and Clippers are ahead of them in line. The Lakers will be hoping James can play like he did a couple of years ago and will need some "playoff Rondo."

That conceded, any team with LeBron James and Anthony Davis can win any playoff series in today's league, so we will see.
   1381. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 19, 2020 at 12:45 PM (#5925387)
Do you think Caruso will ever step up his ballhandling and perimeter shot enough to be that guy, rr? The D is there, the shot seems close, ball handling is the issue (from my rarely watch the Lakers perspective).
   1382. i hear there are a lot of dead animals in 57i66135 Posted: February 19, 2020 at 03:28 PM (#5925419)
Kyle Neubeck @KyleNeubeck
Horford tells reporters he has been told/believes he will continue to come off the bench moving forward
Ky Carlin @Ky_Carlin
Life’s not as bad as sometimes it’s made out to be here in Philadelphia” Brett Brown reacts to Joel Embiid and Ben Simmons speaking out in Chicago #Sixers sixerswire.usatoday.com/2020/02/19/six… via @SixersWire
   1383. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: February 19, 2020 at 03:34 PM (#5925420)
I dunno ... Reggie Jackson is pretty bad, and kind of a ball stopper. I don't think he can play at the same time as Lou Will or Pat Beverly.


A propos of Lou Williams (a national treasure), I've always felt that the Clippers' transitioning from Jamal Crawford to Williams was one of the all-time best seamless transitions to a player's successor. Microwave 6th man scoring guard is obviously an unstable position (a bit of a drop in efficiency does you in, you can transition to the starting lineup, some other team might throw big money at you to start, etc), but the Clippers have staffed the position stably for the last 8 years.
   1384. jmurph Posted: February 19, 2020 at 03:44 PM (#5925422)
Kyle Neubeck @KyleNeubeck
Horford tells reporters he has been told/believes he will continue to come off the bench moving forward

Yet another* of my many, many correct preseason predictions comes to pass.

(*This might technically be the only one, don't fact check me.)
   1385. tshipman Posted: February 19, 2020 at 08:03 PM (#5925472)
Do you think Caruso will ever step up his ballhandling and perimeter shot enough to be that guy, rr? The D is there, the shot seems close, ball handling is the issue (from my rarely watch the Lakers perspective).


not rr, but the problem with Caruso is that he can't run a PnR.

As the ball handler:
24% of his possessions
0.66 points per possession
37.3% eFG%
18% turnover rate

That makes it really tough for him to be successful with LeBron off the court. It's not like he's going to ISO, and the Lakers don't really run a motion offense like the Triangle.
   1386. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 20, 2020 at 09:36 AM (#5925525)
Oh, I just meant with LBJ - sorry.
Agree that he can't run on PnR - both by those stats and by inspection from when I spent a decent amount of time trying to break him down as a G Leaguer (and not now being aware of subsequent growth there).
   1387. PJ Martinez Posted: February 20, 2020 at 07:13 PM (#5925747)
Kyrie Irving is getting shoulder surgery and will miss the rest of the season.
   1388. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: February 20, 2020 at 08:20 PM (#5925755)
If we had to set it today, what would we put the Nets 2020-21 wins over/under be? What about playoff wins? 46.5 and 3.5? Am I being too down on them?
   1389. jmurph Posted: February 20, 2020 at 09:32 PM (#5925760)
If we had to set it today, what would we put the Nets 2020-21 wins over/under be? What about playoff wins? 46.5 and 3.5? Am I being too down on them?

Well I'm doing work like an absolute idiot and not watching, but the internet tells me they just went on a 44-8 run in Philadelphia so... INFINITY WINS is their O/U for next year, I guess.
   1390. i hear there are a lot of dead animals in 57i66135 Posted: February 20, 2020 at 10:50 PM (#5925770)
based on the flow of this game, i can only conclude the following:

ben simmons >>>> kyrie irving + kevin durant.
   1391. jmurph Posted: February 20, 2020 at 10:55 PM (#5925772)
Well I'm doing work like an absolute idiot and not watching, but the internet tells me they just went on a 44-8 run in Philadelphia so... INFINITY WINS is their O/U for next year, I guess.

I take it back, they're bad again.
   1392. tshipman Posted: February 20, 2020 at 11:42 PM (#5925778)
Oh, I just meant with LBJ - sorry.
Agree that he can't run on PnR - both by those stats and by inspection from when I spent a decent amount of time trying to break him down as a G Leaguer (and not now being aware of subsequent growth there).


Oh, sorry, Der-K, I didn't read carefully enough.

I think Caruso is the best guy with LeBron. Tjarks has an article up on 76ers fansite the Ringer where he lists that Caruso is actually the best player when paired with LeBron and AD, but what Tjarks doesn't say is that Caruso is actually better as a two man unit with LeBron than any other Laker.

Caruso is the platonic ideal of a LeBron teammate: good open shooter, good cutter, and hard nosed (dirty) defender.

The problem the Lakers have are the 8-10 minutes per game when LeBron is not out there ...

Kyrie Irving is getting shoulder surgery and will miss the rest of the season.


Hot take?
The Celtics dodged a bullet when Kyrie didn't re-sign with them. (although I am less than sanguine about Kemba's aging curve).
   1393. Tin Angel Posted: February 21, 2020 at 02:07 AM (#5925787)
Westbrook is really something. Rockets up by 30 and looking for a rebound he clearly elbowed a g-leaguer hard in the chest for no reason. The Warriors bench called him out for it and he walked towards the bench and started talking. After (trying) to be escorted to his bench, he intentionally bumped shoulders with Kevon Looney and immediately went to the refs crying that it should be a technical. Just really weird for a guy obsessed with "soft" people. Link.
   1394. jmurph Posted: February 21, 2020 at 08:35 AM (#5925801)
Hot take?
The Celtics dodged a bullet when Kyrie didn't re-sign with them. (although I am less than sanguine about Kemba's aging curve).

Yeah I wouldn't be shocked if Kemba is a 65ish game a year guy going forward, but still, have to agree with this overall. "Better to be lucky than good" certainly applies to Boston with this one.

Horford, too, though that one was at least somewhat their own decision to hold below a certain dollar amount, as I understand it.
   1395. i hear there are a lot of dead animals in 57i66135 Posted: February 21, 2020 at 10:54 AM (#5925838)
Westbrook is really something. Rockets up by 30 and looking for a rebound he clearly elbowed a g-leaguer hard in the chest for no reason. The Warriors bench called him out for it and he walked towards the bench and started talking. After (trying) to be escorted to his bench, he intentionally bumped shoulders with Kevon Looney and immediately went to the refs crying that it should be a technical. Just really weird for a guy obsessed with "soft" people. Link.
it needs to be noted that that mentality is the reason westbrook is in the NBA. (not so much the whining to the refs, but) recklessly chasing rebounds in a dead game, jawing at opponents, not backing down from confrontations; he's been doing that since he was in middle school, and it's the reason he is (was?) as good as he is.

without that intensity (psychopathy?), he would have wound up going to some random college like murray state instead of UCLA, and he never would have been picked in the top 5 in the NBA draft.
   1396. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 21, 2020 at 12:58 PM (#5925891)
In retrospect, it's a bit weird that Westbrook was the kind of collegian that he was - his usage rates was 21.8 his sophomore year (lower still as a freshman on the bench) - in 12 NBA seasons, his low has been 25.7.

That UCLA club was good, man - Kevin Love, Darren Collison, Westbrook, and Mbah a Moute (the other starter was Josh Shipp as the three point specialist who was solid, but never really panned out). Went 35-4, lost to Memphis in the F4.
   1397. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: February 21, 2020 at 01:08 PM (#5925897)
Another tough read. So glad to read he's getting the help he needs now.
   1398. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 21, 2020 at 01:44 PM (#5925908)
Thanks for that, Moses.
   1399. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: February 21, 2020 at 02:16 PM (#5925912)
Yeah, that was another good one, Moses.
   1400. jmurph Posted: February 21, 2020 at 03:48 PM (#5925935)
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