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OT - November* 2019 College Football thread

* As is tradition, the November thread runs through Championship Week before giving way to the Bowl Spectacular.

Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 01, 2019 at 08:00 AM | 602 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   301. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 16, 2019 at 09:25 PM (#5901751)
Lance, if Georgia knocks off LSU in the conference final, we're all ######.

We're all Aggies now.
   302. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 16, 2019 at 09:51 PM (#5901754)
That entire drive was the result of Baylor forgetting to cover people.
   303. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 16, 2019 at 09:55 PM (#5901755)
And so it begins.
   304. Meatwad Posted: November 16, 2019 at 09:59 PM (#5901756)
Im rooting for ole miss to make the comeback and win.
   305. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 16, 2019 at 10:20 PM (#5901759)
Tied with Cincinnati, USF misses its fourth field goal of the game -- in fairness, two were from 50+ -- with two minutes left.
   306. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 16, 2019 at 10:21 PM (#5901760)
Ole Miss isn't going to pull this off, but LSU has let them hang around for way too long.
   307. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 16, 2019 at 10:27 PM (#5901762)
Are you ####### kidding me? Review the clearly correct play a minute after not reviewing the clearly incorrect play?
   308. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 16, 2019 at 10:29 PM (#5901764)
Baylor is the worst tackling team I've ever seen
   309. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 16, 2019 at 10:31 PM (#5901765)
Cincinnati driving. Probably gonna turtle and kick from 35-40.

Made it.
   310. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 16, 2019 at 10:40 PM (#5901766)
Arizona blows a coverage, and Oregon leads 7-0 after 32 seconds.
   311. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 16, 2019 at 10:44 PM (#5901767)
This is disgraceful. Feels like Baylor's only chance is getting the ball with the score tied and using up the rest of the game with a drive.
   312. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 16, 2019 at 11:10 PM (#5901776)
######' Baylor.
   313. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 16, 2019 at 11:44 PM (#5901779)
Seeing so many fleaflickers off reverses lately.
   314. Mike A Posted: November 17, 2019 at 12:21 AM (#5901781)
Mike, I wouldn't put anything on anyone. Playing football is dangerous.
Yeah, this is fair. As much as I would like to blame Saban - and many are - it was just one of those freak football injuries. Anyways, good luck to Tua going forward.
   315. . . . . . . Posted: November 17, 2019 at 08:12 AM (#5901793)
Tua’s injury is typically either career-ending or dramatically career-shortening though. Tragic.
   316. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 19, 2019 at 07:12 PM (#5902480)
 1 LSU                        Arkansas             Texas A&M
 2 Ohio State                 Penn State           @ Michigan
 3 Clemson                    --- bye ---          @ South Carolina     ACC Championship
 4 Georgia                    Texas A&M            @ Georgia Tech       SEC Championship
 5 Alabama                    Western Carolina     @ Auburn
 6 Oregon                     @ Arizona State      Oregon State         Pac-12 Championship
 7 Utah                       @ Arizona            Colorado
 8 Penn State                 @ Ohio State         Rutgers
 9 Oklahoma                   TCU                  @ Oklahoma State
10 Minnesota                  @ Northwestern       Wisconsin
11 Florida                    --- bye ---          Florida State
12 Wisconsin                  Purdue               @ Minnesota
13 Michigan                   @ Indiana            Ohio State
14 Baylor                     Texas                @ Kansas
15 Auburn                     Samford              Alabama
16 Notre Dame                 Boston College       @ Stanford
17 Iowa                       Illinois             @ Nebraska
18 Memphis                    @ South Florida      Cincinnati
19 Cincinnati                 Temple               @ Memphis
20 Boise State                @ Utah State         @ Colorado State
21 Oklahoma State             @ West Virginia      Oklahoma
22 Iowa State                 Kansas               @ Kansas State
23 USC                        @ California         UCLA
24 Appalachian State          Texas State          @ Troy
25 SMU                        @ Navy               Tulane
   317. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: November 19, 2019 at 07:32 PM (#5902482)
5 mid-majors in the top 25. Is that a lot?
   318. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 19, 2019 at 08:27 PM (#5902490)
It's a ton. The most ever prior to this season had been four, achieved four times: Memphis (13), Temple (22), Toledo (24) and Houston (25) in week 9 of 2015; Navy (20), Memphis (21), Temple (22) and Houston (24) the following week; Boise State (19), Houston (20), Western Michigan (21) and Navy (25) in week 12 of 2016; and Central Florida (11), Utah State (23), Cincinnati (24) and Boise State (25) week 11 last year.

Now we've got three straight weeks with five. It's largely a consequence of the ACC going to pot.
   319. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: November 19, 2019 at 09:17 PM (#5902497)
Interesting.

Last week there were 4 ACC teams "also receiving votes" in the AP poll. Pitt and Virginia are still in there, Wake Forest received no votes this week and Virginia Tech is up to #25. Since their increasingly bewildering 45-10 loss to Duke, VT are 5-1 and the loss was 21-20 to Notre Dame.

Memphis (13), Temple (22), Toledo (24) and Houston (25) in week 9 of 2015; Navy (20), Memphis (21), Temple (22) and Houston (24) the following week

8-0 Memphis lose to 6-1 Navy and go from #13 to out of the rankings. Harsh.
   320. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 20, 2019 at 12:37 AM (#5902519)
Yeah, this is fair. As much as I would like to blame Saban - and many are - it was just one of those freak football injuries. Anyways, good luck to Tua going forward.
i don't blame saban for leaving tua on the field in the 2nd quarter, but i do think saban deserves to eat some blame for letting tua play at all.
2 Ohio State Penn State @ Michigan
3 Clemson --- bye --- @ South Carolina
one of these things is not like the others....
   321. bunyon Posted: November 20, 2019 at 08:48 AM (#5902540)
i don't blame saban for leaving tua on the field in the 2nd quarter, but i do think saban deserves to eat some blame for letting tua play at all.

None of us knows for sure, but was the ankle a contributing factor? I didn't see the play (and haven't gone looking for it; I have a weak stomach). But if the ankle weren't a significant factor, I don't think this matters. He plays a position where a bunch of huge, fast, strong men chase him and try to drive him to the ground. Yeah, it's a freak injury but those are going to happen to ball carriers. It sucks and I dislike Saban on a variety of levels, but you can't just not play your best players because they might get hurt. May as well quit playing the game altogether.


I mean that. They probably should.

But, since that won't happen, you can expect to see more freak injuries with thousands of players making tens of thousands of plays per year. What they need to do is make sure that a guy like Tua (meaning, career ending injury) gets full medical until he's recovered and then his education paid for as long as it takes. If you want to fault Saban for anything, fault him for making a ton of money off Tua and Tua seeing none of it (well, over the table, anyway).
   322. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 20, 2019 at 01:41 PM (#5902661)
None of us knows for sure, but was the ankle a contributing factor? I didn't see the play (and haven't gone looking for it; I have a weak stomach). But if the ankle weren't a significant factor, I don't think this matters.
whether or not his ankle was a direct cause of the injury, measures that were taken to enable tua to play (pain killers, horse tranquilizers, etc.) are likely to have weakened his kinetic chain in a way that resulted in the severity of that injury.

and it's not just about what they shot him up with on game day, either; his rehab was rushed and his ability to workout had been limited for the last month. he should not have been playing.


which isn't to say that:
you can't just not play your best players because they might get hurt. May as well quit playing the game altogether

because the thing is, if tua was a backup wide receiver, he wouldn't have been on the field. which means that we know he should not be on the field, even though he's the starting quarterback.

we look past that, for obvious reasons, but when #### happens, nick saban can't just shrug his shoulders as if he did nothing wrong. he did and he should feel like absolute #### for it.


i'm sure that sounds harsh, but if this doesn't eat at his soul, it would show an unacceptable disregard for the wellbeing of the people who have put their futures to his hands.
   323. bunyon Posted: November 20, 2019 at 01:55 PM (#5902665)
If it doesn't eat at his soul, he's an #######. Still doesn't mean he gets much blame from me. This is the game. If you're a star QB, you play when backup WRs wouldn't. Any world where Tua is someday worth hundreds of millions of dollars is a world where he's expected to be on the field. I agree, I wish it weren't so. But, then, in a sane world, Tua isn't looking forward to a huge payday based on his physical strengths.
   324. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 20, 2019 at 02:24 PM (#5902677)
whether or not his ankle was a direct cause of the injury, measures that were taken to enable tua to play (pain killers, horse tranquilizers, etc.) are likely to have weakened his kinetic chain in a way that resulted in the severity of that injury.

and it's not just about what they shot him up with on game day, either; his rehab was rushed and his ability to workout had been limited for the last month. he should not have been playing.


Also, gimping around on a bad ankle is a good way to get awkwardly tackled.

If Tagovailoa was well enough to play, it's hard to fault Saban for not pulling him before halftime. Justin Fields played the entire first half for Ohio State, and that was against freaking Rutgers. The bigger problem is that Tua shouldn't have been on the field at all. He was clearly not healed for the LSU game, and if Saban had a soul, he would have kept him out of that one.
   325. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 21, 2019 at 09:03 PM (#5903077)
I hate this damn conference so much. The least the dregs could do is roll over in November against the teams looking to make bowls.
   326. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 21, 2019 at 09:07 PM (#5903078)
I didn't see the play (and haven't gone looking for it; I have a weak stomach).

There's nothing disturbing about the video. If you didn't know the play resulted in an injury, you'd have no idea. And after being told, you would have no idea what the injury could even be. I watched it several times before word came out that it was his hip expecting to see an ankle getting caught under a body or something, but there's nothing. Just a guy getting tackled from behind, and the first thing to hit the ground is his knee, same as it happens dozens of times every game without anyone giving a second thought.
   327. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 21, 2019 at 10:19 PM (#5903084)
Whatever muckety-muck at ESPN decided to have players do that "grab my collar with one hand and point at the camera with the other" pose should be catapulted into the sun.
   328. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 21, 2019 at 11:21 PM (#5903089)
Jesus Christ. NC State stuffs Georgia Tech in the backfield on 3rd-and-1 with two minutes left but can't finish the tackle, and Georgia Tech will hold on to win 28-26, having stopped a two-point try with five minutes left.

Put all your money on NC State now beating North Carolina to keep either from making a bowl.
   329. Howie Menckel Posted: November 21, 2019 at 11:26 PM (#5903090)
Put all your money on NC State now beating North Carolina to keep either from making a bowl.

would that be good news for the taxpayers in that state who don't follow college football?
   330. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: November 22, 2019 at 10:08 AM (#5903121)
I suspect that a 6-6 UNC ends up in the Belk Bowl, because it loves to have a North Carolina team in it, and Wake Forest was an attendance disaster when they played in the bowl a couple of years ago. If that happens, the short travel would mean that the bowl payout would at least cover costs, and increased attendance and such would increase tax revenues to the point that taxpayers should probably be rooting for that outcome.

UNC in the Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl or what have you might be a Very Bad Thing, financially.

Sagarin has UNC with the 16th toughest schedule this year, which I guess doesn't surprise me. The Heels have an amazing ability to play up to or down to the level of anyone they play. I'm half-convinced that they're going to go to OT at home against against Mercer tomorrow. I'm also half convinced that they'd go to OT against LSU in Baton Rouge.
   331. stanmvp48 Posted: November 22, 2019 at 04:14 PM (#5903276)
I wonder what the money line is on LSU-Arkansas
   332. JAHV Posted: November 22, 2019 at 04:35 PM (#5903286)
I hate this damn conference so much. The least the dregs could do is roll over in November against the teams looking to make bowls.


Hey, the Pac-12 has a legitimately possible scenario involving only one real upset that would result in the conference having just five bowl eligible teams while the other seven teams all finish with five wins. I fully expect it to happen.

Of course, I would be fine if that happened since it would mean my Ducks going into the conference final game with one loss and, barring a Georgia upset in the SEC championship, playing for inclusion in the playoffs.
   333. Howie Menckel Posted: November 22, 2019 at 09:10 PM (#5903351)
all the frenzy in Jersey* is whether Rutgers backs up the dump truck to bring back Greg Schiano - really the only successful coach on the big stage they have had in 150 years.

* - that is, the tiny fringe of the state that cares about college football
   334. Howie Menckel Posted: November 22, 2019 at 09:13 PM (#5903352)
"I wonder what the money line is on LSU-Arkansas"

it's the only decent game I see on the DraftKings betting board that doesn't have a money line. spread currently at 43 points with an over/under of 69.5 points
   335. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 12:08 PM (#5903418)
I like having big games in the early window. For years, it seemed like we were only getting the ones with set-in-stone traditional start times like the Red River Shootout and The Game.
   336. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 23, 2019 at 12:35 PM (#5903424)
I like having big games in the early window. For years, it seemed like we were only getting the ones with set-in-stone traditional start times like the Red River Shootout and The Game.
Even more surprising is that the only really big game of the day is in the early window. I can't recall the last time that happened.
   337. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 23, 2019 at 12:42 PM (#5903425)
OMG, PSU looked like an SEC fodder team until that OSU fumble at the goal line.
   338. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 12:51 PM (#5903426)
Hopefully a genuine turning point rather than just a hiccup like the Hurts fumble in the midst of a 31-3 run.
   339. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 12:53 PM (#5903428)
Gophers taking care of business, with 21 points to Northwestern's five yards.

And as I say that, a strip-sack goes for a loss of 20.
   340. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 23, 2019 at 01:02 PM (#5903429)
So -3 yards now I see. Just need 10 more of those safeties and we might have a game.
   341. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 01:26 PM (#5903431)
"Down 14-0 with 80 seconds left before the half, let's run a give-up play and hand the ball back." -- James Franklin
   342. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 23, 2019 at 01:28 PM (#5903432)
That's a funny replay - the PSU DB undeniably commits a horse collar tackle. But Dobbins grasped his facemask. But the DB also grabbed Dobbins' facemask while committing the horse collar.
   343. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 01:32 PM (#5903433)
That little bit of pressure that kept Fields from getting the ball out on time just kept the game alive.
   344. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: November 23, 2019 at 01:32 PM (#5903434)
What a revolting development. ILL passes up a 52 YD FG attempt on 4th and 6 with 16 seconds left, gets sacked for a 20 yard loss. 20 yard pass completion by Iowa, followed by a FG to end the half.
   345. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 23, 2019 at 02:09 PM (#5903438)
OMG, PSU looked like an SEC fodder team until that OSU fumble at the goal line.
tosu is more talented, but more importantly (imo) they also have a huge edge in experience.
   346. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 23, 2019 at 02:11 PM (#5903439)
damn.
   347. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 02:14 PM (#5903440)
Maybe Penn State should put in a bunch of backups on defense now.
   348. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 02:17 PM (#5903442)
And suddenly we've got a game.
   349. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 23, 2019 at 02:19 PM (#5903444)
Holy, holy ####. Tosu fumbles, 2 plays later it’s 21-14.
   350. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 02:25 PM (#5903446)
Another one!
   351. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5903447)
Ball looks like it was starting to wobble before his knee hit.
   352. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 23, 2019 at 02:27 PM (#5903449)
Holy, holy, holy ####! 3rd Tosu fumble loss!!!
   353. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 02:31 PM (#5903451)
Drops hurt Penn State in the first half, too.
   354. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 23, 2019 at 02:33 PM (#5903452)
Drops all season. Friermuth and Hamler, then a bunch of ham hands.
   355. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 02:48 PM (#5903453)
Okie State kicks a 22-yard field goal on 4th-and-1 to go up 20-13. Go for the throat!
   356. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 23, 2019 at 02:50 PM (#5903454)
Drops all season. Friermuth and Hamler, then a bunch of ham hands.
the backup TE has been pretty solid, too.

penn state should have been running a ton of 2 TE/2 RB sets this year, considering that's where they have reliable talent. it also would have helped stabilize their shaky OL and
the inexperienced starting QB.
   357. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 02:55 PM (#5903458)
Thought for sure that was an interception.
   358. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 02:59 PM (#5903461)
Ugh.
   359. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5903468)
The Brown drop and the Levis dropped snap were killers. The goal on 2nd-and-20 was visibly "let's just punt the ball back and hope," so being down 21-17 instead of tied just snowballed, with the short field leading to a two-score deficit, leading to an offense ill-equipped to move with time constraints being forced to pass as more than a change of pace, leading to disaster in the passing game.
   360. Howie Menckel Posted: November 23, 2019 at 03:57 PM (#5903469)
I know it is brilliant strategically, but Alabama playing Western Carolina today and Auburn taking on Samford at least has lots of us laughing at their cowardice. I mean, it's something - before Alabama enters another college football playoff as a "plus one."
   361. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 04:22 PM (#5903473)
pLaYiNg PaTsIeS iN nOvEmBeR iS fUnDaMeNtAlLy DiFfErEnT tHaN pLaYiNg ThEm In SePtEmBeR
   362. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 04:25 PM (#5903474)
I don't know how seven officials can see a guy flat on the ground and decide not to blow a whistle.
   363. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: November 23, 2019 at 04:49 PM (#5903476)
I know it is brilliant strategically, but Alabama playing Western Carolina today and Auburn taking on Samford at least has lots of us laughing at their cowardice. I mean, it's something - before Alabama enters another college football playoff as a "plus one."


I won't claim the SEC is the only conference guilty of this, but just looking at the other playoff contenders...

OSU - hasn't had a bye since early Oct, and hasn't played a non-con since Sep 21

OU - No bye since Nov, 2, no non-con since Sep 14

Oregon - No bye since Nov 9, no non-con since Sep 14

Clemson - Bye this week, plays USC next week in their traditional rivalry game. Last non-con patsy was Sep 21.

LSU - No bye since Nov 2, no non-con since Oct 5.
   364. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 05:39 PM (#5903482)
I don't know that I'd be shooting my surprise-onside-kick wad in a game I'm winning 16-3.
   365. Hot Wheeling American Posted: November 23, 2019 at 05:57 PM (#5903484)
pLaYiNg PaTsIeS iN nOvEmBeR iS fUnDaMeNtAlLy DiFfErEnT tHaN pLaYiNg ThEm In SePtEmBeR

Do SEC fans try arguing this?
   366. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 23, 2019 at 06:47 PM (#5903487)
Would’ve guessed USC history already had a game with 500 yards passing. But, nope.

Kedon Slovis, come on down! (He surpassed Matt Barkley's 493.)
   367. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 23, 2019 at 10:30 PM (#5903504)
Herm just plays to win the game.
   368. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 11:03 PM (#5903510)
####### Oregon. Couldn't have shat your pants in two weeks?
   369. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 23, 2019 at 11:09 PM (#5903512)
It'll be soooooo Pac-12 for Oregon to beat Utah in the championship game, officially killing the conference's playoff hopes.
   370. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 23, 2019 at 11:10 PM (#5903513)
How on earth is TCU in this game, having been outgained by 300 yards?
   371. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 11:14 PM (#5903514)
No ####### way that was a first down.
   372. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 23, 2019 at 11:15 PM (#5903515)
Jeez to lose on a spot that was bad by at least half a yard short is pretty ridiculous.
   373. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 11:16 PM (#5903516)
"We just don't see the ball." Get bent, Dean Blandino. Was he extending the ball a yard ahead of his body through the bodies of the defenders standing him up?
   374. AuntBea calls himself Sky Panther Posted: November 23, 2019 at 11:18 PM (#5903517)
hehe. what a ####### joke.
   375. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 23, 2019 at 11:34 PM (#5903521)
Utah goes for it from the one with a second left in the half. Big 12 officials would've called it a touchdown, but alas.

Still 14-0.
   376. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 24, 2019 at 12:24 AM (#5903526)
Oregon State just might go bowling. Wowza. Last went in 2013.

In the five seasons following that Hawaii Bowl victory, the Beavs won 14 games.
   377. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 24, 2019 at 12:36 AM (#5903528)
Love the decision to go for it. And the play was there.
   378. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 24, 2019 at 12:47 AM (#5903529)
Jinxed 'em.

Cougs going bowling. They got off to a 3-1 start, ranked as high as 19th. Then the UCLA debacle kicked off a two-month slide.
   379. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 24, 2019 at 12:56 AM (#5903530)
It's kind of amazing that, with decades to study the Stanford Band play, teams are so consistently inept when put in that situation.
   380. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 24, 2019 at 01:10 AM (#5903531)
If Oregon State was the Pac-12's pleasant surprise this season, safe to say Washington was the biggest disappointment?
   381. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 24, 2019 at 01:12 AM (#5903532)
The return - Beavs kept losing yards, more yards, oh now you can see their own end zone...
   382. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 24, 2019 at 02:26 AM (#5903535)
MEANWHILE...
Greg Hansen
@ghansen711

Arizona closes the home football season with an attendance of 35,991 against Utah. That makes Arizona's average attendance 39,538, the lowest at home since it joined the Pac-10 in 1978, and first time under 40K
   383. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: November 24, 2019 at 10:41 AM (#5903549)
I'm half-convinced that [UNC] are going to go to OT at home against against Mercer tomorrow.
Or, you know, they could be ahead 56-0 when they quit trying at the end of the 3rd quarter.
   384. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 24, 2019 at 11:00 AM (#5903551)
Can't let this thread escape the weekend without pointing out that Miami lost to FIU.
   385. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 24, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5903570)
Can't let this thread escape the weekend without pointing out that Miami lost to FIU.

on Nov 18, 2017, Miami was 10-0 and ranked #2 in the country. Since then, they are 13-14.
   386. Howie Menckel Posted: November 24, 2019 at 10:03 PM (#5903630)
Rutgers, Schiano talks fall apart. who the hell else would want this job?
   387. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 24, 2019 at 10:12 PM (#5903634)
The Canes got a taste of their old school medicine. FIU won despite 14 flags for 144 yards. Not quite a '91 Cotton Bowl Redux but I found that note in the box score rather funny
   388. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 25, 2019 at 12:14 PM (#5903727)
Rutgers, Schiano talks fall apart. who the hell else would want this job?
butch davis.

   389. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 25, 2019 at 12:31 PM (#5903730)
Rutgers, Schiano talks fall apart. who the hell else would want this job?
Nobody who thinks they have a chance to get a decent Power Five job. This hire is going to be a reach, no matter what they do.

A good-not-great coach from the MAC or CUSA maybe? Chuck Martin won two D-II national titles at Grand Valley State has done a hell of a job at Miami(OH) despite his icky win-loss record. They hadn't won a game in a year and a half when he showed up in 2014, and they're on the brink of a conference championship this year. Blake Anderson from Arkansas State? Kevin Callahan from Monmouth? Brian Bohannon from Kennesaw State? Would they have the stones to go full triple option?

It's going to be a guy who nobody's ever heard of, or maybe someone who'd be happy to completely destroy their resume in exchange for a couple million bucks. What's Tommy Tuberville doing these days? Willie Taggart? Chad Morris?
   390. jmurph Posted: November 25, 2019 at 12:43 PM (#5903733)
What's Tommy Tuberville doing these days?

In case this is not a joke: he's running for the US Senate.

(Which is itself a different joke, of course.)
   391. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 25, 2019 at 01:08 PM (#5903745)
In case this is not a joke: he's running for the US Senate.
I was not aware of that. Yikes.

This worked out better for me than the last time I half-jokingly suggested a former head coach for a college vacancy: I suggested SMU hire Ron Meyer a few hours after it was reported he had died. I genuinely had no idea he had passed away, but it sure made me seem like a jerk.
   392. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: November 25, 2019 at 01:12 PM (#5903748)

A good-not-great coach from the MAC or CUSA maybe?


What about Wyoming's Craig Bohl?
   393. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: November 25, 2019 at 01:19 PM (#5903752)
In case this is not a joke: he's running for the US Senate.

(Which is itself a different joke, of course.)


Same seat sought by Jeff Sessions & the beyond-odious Roy Moore

I'm about to head off, as it happens, to a restaurant downtown where Tuberville spoke to supporters in the backroom during lunch a couple of months back.
   394. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: November 25, 2019 at 01:21 PM (#5903753)
r maybe someone who'd be happy to completely destroy their resume in exchange for a couple million bucks. What's Tommy Tuberville doing these days? Willie Taggart? Chad Morris?


Morris has already accomplished that for twice the money, so I guess why not.

Worst hire in Arkansas history & quite possibly in SEC history, including the several decades before the Razorbacks joined the league. Jesus.
   395. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 25, 2019 at 01:22 PM (#5903754)
In situations as dire as Rutgers', my usual instinct is to hire the best possible recruiter who's willing to take your money. You have a huge talent deficit compared to everyone else you're playing, and nothing else matters until you address that. So find some young, hungry, almost certainly under-qualified coach with a reputation as a ferocious recruiter and a willingness to spend the better part of his life in high schools and the living rooms of recruits, and understand the results are going to be ugly for a while.
   396. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: November 25, 2019 at 01:25 PM (#5903756)
It seemed like Chad Morris had performed a miracle in reviving SMU from the depths of the sewers to respectability. The guy who replaced him is doing even better, though, so never mind about Chad Morris's greatness. Maybe massive monetary investment was the real key.
   397. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: November 25, 2019 at 01:30 PM (#5903759)
A good-not-great coach from the MAC or CUSA maybe? Chuck Martin won two D-II national titles at Grand Valley State has done a hell of a job at Miami(OH) despite his icky win-loss record. They hadn't won a game in a year and a half when he showed up in 2014, and they're on the brink of a conference championship this year. Blake Anderson from Arkansas State? Kevin Callahan from Monmouth? Brian Bohannon from Kennesaw State? Would they have the stones to go full triple option?


Too bad these guys are usually in the South or Midwest. Kevin Callahan from Monmouth certainly sounds like the answer, knowing nothing about him.

Maybe they should hire the offensive coordinator from Oklahoma State who was the offensive coordinator at Princeton last year. Or the guy at East Carolina who coached the dominant James Madison teams recently.
   398. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: November 25, 2019 at 01:34 PM (#5903760)
It seemed like Chad Morris had performed a miracle in reviving SMU from the depths of the sewers to respectability. The guy who replaced him is doing even better, though, so never mind about Chad Morris's greatness. Maybe massive monetary investment was the real key.


In 5 seasons (minus 2 games), Morris has beaten exactly as many Power 5 schools as I have.
   399. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: November 25, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5903762)
Do 'really good recruiters' exist in the vacuum, though? It seems to me that 90% of recruiting is being part of a big-time program with a reputation for winning, preferably in the South. Would Saban recruit well at Rutgers? I am skeptical.
   400. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 25, 2019 at 01:50 PM (#5903767)
Do 'really good recruiters' exist in the vacuum, though? It seems to me that 90% of recruiting is being part of a big-time program with a reputation for winning, preferably in the South. Would Saban recruit well at Rutgers? I am skeptical.
Mario Cristobal had that reputation when he was at Florida International, and he's certainly been crushing it on the Crootin' trail for Oregon. I'm sure it's easier to recruit a kid to play for a program that's played in the national championship game a couple times recently, but he brought in some impressive talent (T.Y. Hilton, Jonathan Cyprien) when he was at FIU.
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