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OT - November* 2022 College Football thread

The longest month. This year even longer than usual.

* 30 days hath November, except in the college football thread, where it runs through Championship Week before giving way to the Bowl Spectacular.

Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: October 30, 2022 at 08:08 AM | 440 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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301. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 01:39 PM (#6106841)

69- and 75-yard touchdowns on consecutive plays for Michigan's offense to lead 17-13. It's like the inverse of every other Michigan first half.

302. Russlan is not Russian Posted: November 26, 2022 at 01:41 PM (#6106842)

Even though Michigan is up, I don't think they can win this game this way. That said, if they can keep it close, I think they make the playoffs because they can say they were competitive without their best offensive player.

303. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 01:49 PM (#6106843)

Palmetto Bowl has been eventful. On the free kick after a safety to go up 16-7, Clemson had five players huddle to hide who had the ball before they split apart, but the play ended in an unforced fumble, and South Carolina took advantage of the short field to get within 16-14. After a Clemson touchdown, Rattler completed a 65-yard pass to the one, then threw an interception in the end zone two plays later. 23-14 at the half.

304. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 01:50 PM (#6106844)

Meanwhile, Georgia only leads 10-7.

305. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 01:58 PM (#6106845)

I'm gonna need an explanation for how Michigan ran a play that gained 19 yards, then long afterward it was called back because of an Ohio State timeout. And I know I'm not going to get one from the Fox crew.

306. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 02:18 PM (#6106846)

Georgia Tech's punter drops the snap and gets tackled in the backfield, which is probably the beginning of the end in a 13-7 game.

307. Russlan is not Russian Posted: November 26, 2022 at 02:26 PM (#6106847)

Ohio State does not appear to have a very good pass defense.

308. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 02:47 PM (#6106849)

Last week may be less about Tennessee imploding and more about the Gamecocks having actually found their offense. Rattler has the two bad picks, but they've moved up and down the field.

309. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:07 PM (#6106851)

First down is the time for the "Hey, we're gonna Manball, oh, whoops!" play fake, Michigan. Not the "Oh, we're gonna Manball, and there you just stopped it for a loss."

310. Russlan is not Russian Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:15 PM (#6106852)

I can't believe that Michigan is up 31-20 in the 4th the way this game started, my expectations for this game, and with Blake Corum not playing.

311. Russlan is not Russian Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:20 PM (#6106853)

Ohio State is really showing poor compusure.

Ohio State can't cover Michigan apparently, this could become a blowout for the Wolverines.

Perhaps I spoke too soon.

312. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:20 PM (#6106854)

Despite giving up 31 points, Clemson has run the ball with impunity and would probably be up comfortably with anything resembling competent quarterback play. Instead, it's gotten 7-of-25 for 96 yards and a pick from a quarterback whose time has come, frankly.

313. Russlan is not Russian Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:25 PM (#6106855)

That is some poor coaching by Harbaugh. Rather than try to kick a 57 yard field goal, I would have punt the ball. They have a really good kicker but a 57 yard kick is a big ask. Not necessary.

314. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:27 PM (#6106856)

The kick was short in addition to drifting left, so yeah. A punt probably would've been more in keeping with the turtley offense, too, if "having a cohesive thought process" matters.

315. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:31 PM (#6106857)

What a play to knock that away.

316. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:32 PM (#6106858)

Clemson punts the ball away trailing by a point inside three minutes.

317. Russlan is not Russian Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:35 PM (#6106859)

That might be the dagger.

318. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:35 PM (#6106860)

TO THE HOUSE

319. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:37 PM (#6106861)

Clemson gets a stop and fumbles the punt.

320. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:40 PM (#6106863)

South Carolina converts 3rd-and-4 with a wide receiver screen, and that'll do it.

321. Russlan is not Russian Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:42 PM (#6106864)

That was Stroud throwing away his Heisman chances.

322. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:43 PM (#6106865)

If the Edwards touchdown wasn't, that certainly was.

323. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:44 PM (#6106866)

I'm not running out the clock with Edwards. The only thing that hurts you now is the guy with a cast on his hand fumbling the ball.

324. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:46 PM (#6106867)

Okay, maybe you do run it out with Edwards.

325. Russlan is not Russian Posted: November 26, 2022 at 03:52 PM (#6106869)

Is this loss bad enough for OSU that they are not in the playoff if USC and TCU win out? Is this win good enough for Michigan to be ranked first?

326. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 04:04 PM (#6106872)

OSU was going to be behind 12-1 USC (with its slew of top-25 wins) and 13-0 TCU, regardless, I think. This hurts its case against 12-1 TCU.

And no on Michigan. Georgia has the Oregon and Tennessee drubbings on its record (maybe marginal advantage to Michigan combined with the Penn State game?), and probably more that's impressive to the committee outside of that.

327. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 04:33 PM (#6106873)

Oregon State is leading 10-7 and would, amazingly, be in position to play for the Pac-12 title if it hadn't gotten hosed at the end of the USC game.

For those who weren't up in the middle of the night for that, on USC's drive for the game-winning touchdown with a minute left, Williams got stood up a yard short of the sticks on a 4th-and-7 scramble and had started being driven back by three defenders, but the whistles got swallowed long enough for the offensive line to join the scrum from behind and reverse its direction.

328. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 26, 2022 at 04:38 PM (#6106875)

I want Oregon to lose then UW to win because that ends the Ducks' season - which means ASU can hire Dillingham tomorrow so he can start digging that program out from under a massive shitpile.

329. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 04:44 PM (#6106876)

TCU up 17-0 on Iowa State, and somewhere deep in my bones I start to expect the committee to drop it to sixth in the rankings.

No, 2014 isn't still stuck in my craw. Why do you ask?

330. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 04:46 PM (#6106877)

And almost before I can finish typing that, TCU with a pick-six.

331. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 26, 2022 at 04:46 PM (#6106878)

TCU is tcb.

332. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 05:48 PM (#6106879)

TCU feeling its oats to the point that it starts breaking out Oregon-style two-point gimmickry just for the hell of it.

333. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 26, 2022 at 06:12 PM (#6106881)

I want Oregon to lose...

Nope.

334. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 06:42 PM (#6106883)

Not so fast, my friend.

335. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 06:59 PM (#6106884)

28-3 run in under 10 minutes, aided by a dropped punt snap near the goal line and a turnover on downs inside the Oregon 30.

336. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 07:13 PM (#6106885)

ESPN's playoff predictor needs to be nuked from orbit. Ohio State at 89% after getting demolished? And USC's chance jumps to *40%* after you project two more wins over ranked teams?

337. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 26, 2022 at 07:20 PM (#6106886)

That's ridiculous. tOSU getting depantsed that badly on their home field is worth negative style points.

338. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 07:20 PM (#6106887)

Goal line stand for the Beavers!

339. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 26, 2022 at 07:23 PM (#6106888)

Kenny Dillingham, come on down (to Tempe)!

340. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 07:25 PM (#6106889)

Oregon has been helpless to stop the run, even knowing there was no chance of anything else. And it's not even like there was any Flexbone misdirection.

341. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 26, 2022 at 07:26 PM (#6106890)

Of course, UW still has to win - and the Huskies are perfectly capable of losing to Wazoo.

342. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 26, 2022 at 07:40 PM (#6106891)

TCU finishes off the Cyclones.

USC, you're up...

343. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 08:10 PM (#6106892)

UCF taking care of business and will be Tulane's opponent next week.

344. It's Spelled With a CFBF, But Not Where You Think Posted: November 26, 2022 at 08:10 PM (#6106893)

Kansas gets off to a good start in the Sunflower Showdown by forcing a K-State three and out...only to muff the ensuing punt and watch the Wildcats punch it in for a touchdown on the next play.

345. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 26, 2022 at 08:11 PM (#6106894)

Knock it off with the funny stuff, Linc.

346. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 26, 2022 at 08:26 PM (#6106895)

A&M offense making an appearance.....in late November.

347. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 08:40 PM (#6106896)

Tennessee up 21-0, which is not helping in my quest to get Penn State to the Orange Bowl and claim the Big Ten's spot in the Citrus Bowl for the ACC.

Weigman torching LSU, on the other hand...

348. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 26, 2022 at 08:47 PM (#6106897)

ASU, not wasting time: Arizona State finalizing deal with Oregon's Dillingham

349. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 26, 2022 at 09:14 PM (#6106899)

Of course, UW still has to win - and the Huskies are perfectly capable of losing to Wazoo.

OMG, that's right: The P12 did away with its South/North pairings for the championship game. So now we're down to Washington or Utah.

350. Mike A Posted: November 26, 2022 at 09:35 PM (#6106901)

tOSU getting depantsed that badly on their home field is worth negative style points.

Apparently the Big 10 Commissioner was watching a different game than the rest of the country:

"Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren called No. 3 Michigan's 45-23 victory over No. 2 Ohio State an "instant classic" and made the case after the game that "without a doubt" the Big Ten should end up with two teams in the College Football Playoff. "Clearly, Michigan and Ohio State are two of the best four teams in the country, and I think today proved it. Great football game. Epic football game. Without a doubt, I think they are clearly two of the best football teams in the country."

Yeah, it's his job, but c'mon. Epic game? My tOSU fanatic friend texted me 'total disaster' which seems a bit more apropos.

351. stanmvp48 Posted: November 26, 2022 at 09:44 PM (#6106903)

31/17 in College Station. Does it matter if LSU loses

352. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 09:46 PM (#6106904)

OMG, that's right: The P12 did away with its South/North pairings for the championship game. So now we're down to Washington or Utah.

Washington needs to win to create a three-way tie, wherein Oregon would be the first team eliminated, but Washington's own hopes went by the wayside because the thing that will decide Utah-Washington -- the cumulative conference record of conference opponents -- went in Utah's favor when UCLA beat Cal.

353. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 26, 2022 at 09:47 PM (#6106905)

Epic football game.

GTFOOH. The home team's fans are ready to string up the coach.

354. Mike A Posted: November 26, 2022 at 09:51 PM (#6106906)

Oregon State beating Oregon with their QB completing 6 passes with a 12.3 rating is pretty funny.

And they lost the turnover battle 3-0!

355. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 09:58 PM (#6106908)

31/17 in College Station. Does it matter if LSU loses

It's potentially very consequential. LSU at 11-2, with a conference championship and wins over Georgia and Alabama, would probably be ahead of Ohio State in the pecking order and a USC loss away from the fourth seed.

356. stanmvp48 Posted: November 26, 2022 at 10:03 PM (#6106909)

I was assuming perhaps incorrectly that they would be in if they beat Georgia

357. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 26, 2022 at 10:07 PM (#6106910)

Jayden Daniels in the playoffs would break my Sun Devil heart.

358. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 26, 2022 at 10:08 PM (#6106911)

TIL Cadillac Williams has been coaching Auburn for the last few weeks.

359. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: November 26, 2022 at 10:10 PM (#6106912)

With Clemson, LSU (likely) and Oregon all losing, that means Georgia and Michigan can both lose and still make the playoff, right? TCU and USC are now win and in. Would 1-loss TCU get picked over OSU now? OSU gets picked above 2-loss USC?

If USC and TCU both lose, TCU gets in for sure? Who else is there... Alabama or Tennessee?

360. stanmvp48 Posted: November 26, 2022 at 10:11 PM (#6106913)

Daniels just got hurt for the second time

361. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 10:15 PM (#6106915)

UCF taking care of business and will be Tulane's opponent next week.

It was 28-0 when I said this. USF now leads 39-38.

362. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 10:31 PM (#6106917)

With Clemson, LSU (likely) and Oregon all losing, that means Georgia and Michigan can both lose and still make the playoff, right? TCU and USC are now win and in. Would 1-loss TCU get picked over OSU now? OSU gets picked above 2-loss USC?

If USC and TCU both lose, TCU gets in for sure? Who else is there... Alabama or Tennessee?

I think Georgia and Michigan were in regardless of those results.

TCU-OSU is interesting, because the committee was obviously eager to rate TCU below anybody it plausibly could until all those teams lost (in some cases again) and forced its hand, and TCU wouldn't have the "conference championship" trump card.

I think OSU's ahead of anybody with two losses, given the impression I've gotten from the committee is that Georgia and Ohio State had a gap over everyone. Some air came out of the balloon, but this wasn't like that disqualifying loss to Iowa.

And if TCU and USC both lose, TCU is in by default. Alabama would probably finish fifth. I don't know how they could get Tennessee in the discussion, with something resembling a disqualifying Iowa blowout and Joe Milton now at quarterback, which the rules say needs to be accounted for.

363. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 10:35 PM (#6106918)

UCF with a spinning one-handed catch at the pylon with 20 seconds left to retake the lead.

364. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 10:37 PM (#6106919)

And then a dribbled kickoff is fielded at the 50, opening the door to blow it.

365. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 26, 2022 at 10:43 PM (#6106920)

Squib kicks are the devil's special teams call.

366. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 10:45 PM (#6106921)

Jump ball from the 31 on the final play, and a USF receiver had a one-on-one shot and got his hands on it at the back of the end zone but couldn't pull it in.

Tulane really better win next week, because UCF has torched any confidence I ever might've had that it would give a good account of itself against somebody ranked ~10 these past two weeks. Just ghastly.

367. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: November 26, 2022 at 11:10 PM (#6106923)

So after that hot 5-0 start, Kansas will likely finish 6-6. Their last 7 games were so difficult.

368. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 11:18 PM (#6106925)

And the one win came against Oklahoma State's third-string quarterback.

369. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 26, 2022 at 11:19 PM (#6106926)

Wazzu with a 75-yard touchdown drive, on the back of a pass by the punter, to take a 10-7 lead. The duck's heart still beats.

370. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 26, 2022 at 11:47 PM (#6106927)

Apple Cup gonna keep me up.

371. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 27, 2022 at 12:46 AM (#6106930)

If Washington had any kind of defense...

372. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 27, 2022 at 01:09 AM (#6106932)

Ward big gaffe on 2pt pat. no doubt, Wash has serious offensive talent.

373. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 27, 2022 at 01:26 PM (#6106965)

Stanford's Shaw resigns. Hell of a run: finished with six top-20 seasons, three in the top 7.

374. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 27, 2022 at 03:28 PM (#6106968)

Strongly implied that institutional resistance to the transfer portal was his undoing.

Saban has begun lobbying. Two losses on the last play, he says. Three wins that came down to one play went unmentioned.

375. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 27, 2022 at 05:45 PM (#6106976)

Strongly implied that institutional resistance to the transfer portal was his undoing.

I've been beating this drum for a while now, but to repeat: Imo, the Bay Area schools are looking to check out of the football-industrial complex.

376. Russlan is not Russian Posted: November 27, 2022 at 06:39 PM (#6106978)

If USC does lose the PAC-12 championship, is the argument not between OSU and Bama?

377. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: November 27, 2022 at 07:06 PM (#6106980)

I'd concur.

378. DCA Posted: November 27, 2022 at 07:33 PM (#6106981)

The question would be if OSU's single blowout loss is worse than Bama's 2 close losses. The only other team in the conversation would be USC if they lose another close one to Utah. That would give them a very similar resume to Bama. Or I guess LSU if they beat Georgia, but 3 losses are hard to overcome.

Interesting question - suppose TCU and USC both lose. Would the committee put OSU and Bama over both? That would be 2 SEC + 2 B1G teams in the final four.

Even more interesting question - suppose all of the current top 4 lose their conference championships. I can't see anyone other than OSU/Bama from outside the top 4 jumping Georgia or Michigan. Would the committee still go with Georgia, Michigan, OSU, Bama? That would be 2 SEC + 2 B1G teams in the final four, with the SEC and B1G champs also on the outside.

379. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: November 29, 2022 at 07:14 PM (#6107261)

 1 Georgia                    LSU  (Atlanta)
 2 Michigan                   Purdue  (Indianapolis)
 3 TCU                        Kansas State  (Arlington)
 4 USC                        Utah  (Las Vegas)
 5 Ohio State
 6 Alabama
 7 Tennessee
 8 Penn State
 9 Clemson                    North Carolina  (Charlotte)
10 Kansas State               TCU  (Arlington)
11 Utah                       USC  (Las Vegas)
12 Washington
13 Florida State
14 LSU                        Georgia  (Atlanta)
15 Oregon State
16 Oregon
17 UCLA
18 Tulane                     Central Florida
19 South Carolina
20 Texas
21 Notre Dame
22 Central Florida            @ Tulane
23 North Carolina             Clemson  (Charlotte)
24 Mississippi State
25 NC State

380. Howie Menckel Posted: November 29, 2022 at 09:20 PM (#6107273)

Would the committee put OSU and Bama over both? That would be 2 SEC + 2 B1G teams in the final four.

"they would do anything for ratings, anything for ratings, anything for ratings - but they won't do that... oh, no, they won't do that..."

381. Brian C Posted: November 30, 2022 at 01:26 AM (#6107291)

Looks like there's not one single true "conference championship" this year, which I would define as a game where the two teams were tied for the best records in their conference but they hadn't played each other already.

Usually there's at least one of these games. Last year, for example:

-the AAC Championship was 8-0 Cincinnati against 8-0 Houston, which is basically the platonic ideal for a conference championship game
-the ACC Championship was 7-1 Wake Forest against 7-1 Pittsburgh (no other 1-loss teams)
-honorable mention to the SEC Championship, which was 8-0 Georgia against 7-1 Alabama, with no other 1-loss team; so even though Alabama won, they were still tied for the best record in the league with the H2H win over Georgia

In other words, all the games this year are essentially extraneous - we don't even have an Honorable Mention game like the SEC game last year. The rightful champions in each league have already been settled, IMO, and they are:

AAC: Tulane
ACC: Clemson
XII: TCU
B1G: Michigan
CUSA: UTSA
MAC: Ohio
MW: Boise State
PAC12: USC
SEC: Georgia
SBC: Troy (H2H win over South Alabama)

We could skip this weekend altogether, send Georgia-Michigan-TCU-USC to the playoff, and everyone except maybe Nick Saban would think it to be a just outcome. But instead we have to go through the song-and-dance of these dumb extra games and quite possibly end up with stupider playoff matchups as a result.

I know this ship sailed 30 years ago and I'm yelling at clouds here, and that it'll only get worse in the future seeing as how we're on the eve of expanding the playoff field once again. But still I think a sport with such a short season should be trying to make each regular season game more important instead of less.

382. Stevey Posted: November 30, 2022 at 09:09 AM (#6107294)

OSU was going to be behind 12-1 USC

They're already behind an 11-1 USC, but I think this is absolutely wrong. Ohio St has the stronger SOS, SOR, Game Control, Avg. Margin of Victory, and is better by the efficiency metrics. The computer rankings almost all have Ohio St clearly ahead of USC.

If you line up the performances next to each other, it's pretty clear that Ohio St has been the better team all year. If people want to say that a conference championship trumps basically everything else, then ok, put USC ahead of Ohio St next week. But at the moment, it is a completely incorrect decision.

383. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: December 02, 2022 at 08:11 PM (#6107655)

Damn Clemson to hell for forcing me to root for USC.

384. Meatwad Posted: December 02, 2022 at 08:56 PM (#6107666)

I hate to do it but I am rooting for usc and tcu to win. Would be nice to see some different teams make it.

385. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: December 02, 2022 at 09:06 PM (#6107668)

Pretty pathetic display from Utah's defense. Sometimes you just get beat, but this has been losing guys in coverage and weak attempts at arm tackles.

386. Russlan is not Russian Posted: December 02, 2022 at 09:13 PM (#6107669)

If you line up the performances next to each other, it's pretty clear that Ohio St has been the better team all year. If people want to say that a conference championship trumps basically everything else, then ok, put USC ahead of Ohio St next week. But at the moment, it is a completely incorrect decision.

With all due respect, that seems like a stupid way to compare the 2 teams. According to that graph, USC's victory against Rice is their most impressive victory. That system seems to give her a lot of credit for beating a bad team by a lot of points. I do not buy that. Ohio State lost by 3 touchdowns at home against a team without their best offensive player. USC has lost one game by one-point. They will have a chance to avenge that loss today. If they do it they will deservedly be picked the head of Ohio State. If they do not, Ohio State will take their spot.

387. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: December 02, 2022 at 09:49 PM (#6107679)

That turned around in a hurry.

388. Meatwad Posted: December 02, 2022 at 10:31 PM (#6107692)

Apparently admitting I am rooting for USC caused a glitch, sorry guys.

389. Russlan is not Russian Posted: December 02, 2022 at 10:39 PM (#6107694)

Caleb Williams is hurt and USC isn't very good without him 100%.

390. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: December 02, 2022 at 11:14 PM (#6107702)

Better get some competent defenders through the portal, Lincoln.

391. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: December 02, 2022 at 11:27 PM (#6107705)

Would USC have a prayer in the playoffs if they got there?

edit: so OSU is in, and it's just whether there is any argument to put anyone in over TCU if they lose, and the answer is probably no?

392. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: December 02, 2022 at 11:31 PM (#6107707)

In theory, USC could do something like an Oklahoma-Georgia Rose Bowl and not miss the throw that would've won it.

But that's its only path, because the defense is terrible.

393. Russlan is not Russian Posted: December 02, 2022 at 11:33 PM (#6107708)

Without Williams at 100 percent, no. With him, a small one. That's a horrible defense.

394. Brian White Posted: December 02, 2022 at 11:34 PM (#6107709)

I think USC/UGa would have a chance to be real entertaining (edit: with a healthy Caleb). Not much of a chance of a win for USC, but we could have gotten some dumb 45-35 game with weird fourth quarter drama.

Not that we're going to get to find out.

395. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: December 02, 2022 at 11:36 PM (#6107710)

so OSU is in, and it's just whether there is any argument to put anyone in over TCU if they lose, and the answer is probably no?

Yeah, I think it's just down to seeding, unless Darren Sproles steps out of a time machine and TCU gets murdered.

396. Howie Menckel Posted: December 03, 2022 at 12:18 AM (#6107712)

as a casual CFB fan, if Ohio State has a rematch with Michigan in the title game, I won't watch a second of it.

Don't care about either team.

But that would be such a travesty, for me, that there is no possible interesting outcome.

397. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: December 03, 2022 at 12:02 PM (#6107754)

Anticlimax Saturday begins!

398. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: December 03, 2022 at 12:36 PM (#6107759)

After forcing a Kansas State punt, TCU goes 92 yards, including a 53-yard bomb to Johnston, on its first drive to lead 7-0. Ideal.

399. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: December 03, 2022 at 02:28 PM (#6107771)

TCU getting whipped up front.

400. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: December 03, 2022 at 02:29 PM (#6107772)

And then an immediate muff gives new life.

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