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OT: Monthly NBA Thread - June 2015

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, but with our own thread, we won’t detract from what this site is really about: trusting the Red Sox process.

The District Attorney Posted: June 01, 2015 at 11:11 AM | 3045 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   2501. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:11 PM (#4986360)
Portland takes Hollis-Jefferson. It just might be crazy enough to work.

Cleveland is up. They need someone who can play now, and probably not Harrell; they're already overstocked with bigs.
   2502. Quaker Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:12 PM (#4986361)
Would like to get it on record that I really like Larry Nance Jr as a 2nd rd gamble.
   2503. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:13 PM (#4986362)
So still no word of anything going to the Hawks with THJr. Turned the 15 pick into him and two 2nds. Atlanta must really hate this draft.
   2504. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:14 PM (#4986363)
I feel like if he gets to them the Spurs will take about 3 seconds to write Montrezl Harrell's name on a card and send it in.
   2505. JJ1986 Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:14 PM (#4986364)
I don't think Cleveland is going to let anyone left on the board play next year. I'd take Tyus Jones and upgrade the backup PG position, but I think they're more likely to trade down out of the first.
   2506. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:14 PM (#4986365)

Cleveland is up. They need someone who can play now, and probably not Harrell; they're already overstocked with bigs.


RJ Hunter still out there.
   2507. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:15 PM (#4986366)
Hunter seems like a perfect fit for the Cavs. Gives them outside shooting and a guy who is a good passer. Could also let them pass on JR Smith which is always a good thing.
   2508. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:17 PM (#4986367)
Cleveland's probably not in a position to pass on any actual NBA-quality players that they can fit on their tax bill.
   2509. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:19 PM (#4986369)
Woj again: Tyus Jones draft and trade from CLE to MIN
   2510. J. Sosa Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:20 PM (#4986370)
When Locke kept talking up Lyles I was afraid that was the guy. I think he will bust but the Jazz people are smart. Gobert was a grand slam and Hood was a double. Hopefully not a Burke situation. Still I would have liked them to try to work something out with Miami. Winslow falling that far was a surprise.

As for Justin Anderson nobody likes the guy more than me. One of the nicest guys you will ever meet. I have to say though I think the shooting was a fluke. I hope he sustains it but he will do well to become a decent shooter. As for his defense he is a great athlete but lacks discipline. UVA's D was more a function of the pack line and guys like Brogdon and Atkins (and Mitchell before he graduated). He helped for sure but he is not as good a defender as his athleticism would suggest. He also has no handle. Still if he can maintain the mechanics on his shot that he had before the injury I see no reason he can't be a 3 and D guy at the back end of a rotation for a few years. Which would make it a solid pick.
   2511. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:20 PM (#4986371)
For 31 and 36. Cavs will draft and stash a couple 2Rs to save the 1R money?
   2512. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:20 PM (#4986372)
Guess Cleveland doesn't want guaranteed contracts for rookies adding to the tax bill?
   2513. Quaker Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:23 PM (#4986374)
I think (and hope) the Spurs would take Hunter over Harrell.
   2514. i hear there are a lot of dead animals in 57i66135 Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:23 PM (#4986375)
I think Philadelphia's whole deal is basically silly, but I'm with steagles that Okafor was an obvious pick there, especially given the Embiid stuff. If they're all healthy you've got 96 minutes to divvy up among the 3 of them. That doesn't pose a problem for at least 2 years, I'd think.
okafor isn't ideal, but as long as hinkie continues to not shoot himself in the foot, this thing is going in a good direction.
If Winslow is NBA ready and Heat can keep Whiteside from killing someone they could be pretty scary next year.
bosh has rabies, wade could leave, dragic could leave, deng has a ton of mileage on him. so i still think they're pretty likely to bottom out.

but winslow is a good get for them.

i like what portland is doing. they're in a bad situation, but i'm a big fan of vonleh and hollis jefferson.
   2515. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:24 PM (#4986376)
I think (and hope) the Spurs would take Hunter over Harrell.


Well, now they have their choice. Who is Jerell Martin? Other than 'the guy Memphis just drafted'.
   2516. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:24 PM (#4986377)
When Locke kept talking up Lyles I was afraid that was the guy. I think he will bust but the Jazz people are smart. Gobert was a grand slam and Hood was a double. Hopefully not a Burke situation. Still I would have liked them to try to work something out with Miami. Winslow falling that far was a surprise.


And I just keep telling myself that Locke went nuts over Olynyk and Gobert after Jazz workouts (also Aaron Gordon, who I did not like and not sure what he is yet).
   2517. Quaker Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:25 PM (#4986378)
Hernangomez would be nice here too.
   2518. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:25 PM (#4986379)
Woj says Spurs looking at Euros
   2519. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:27 PM (#4986381)
I hope it's Cedi Osman so another good Turkish player makes the NBA (and if Spurs pick him he will be good).
   2520. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:27 PM (#4986382)
Sigh. Montrezl Harrell is going to be a Laker and I hate everything.
   2521. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:28 PM (#4986384)
2515: apparently Memphis promised Jarell Martin they'd draft him. I wonder how often this really works out for the team. Imagine there's a lot of regret when guys drop -- seems like Hunter would be a good fit in Grizz-land (and I'm bearish on Hunter).
   2522. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:30 PM (#4986385)
This seems like a good time to note that guys picked around here rarely amount to much so no pick can be really awful, the occasional success story notwithstanding.
   2523. Kurt Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:31 PM (#4986386)
I don't like Oubre's chances with Wittman, but I could be wrong about Wittman as a coach. I feel like that's a trade everybody loses.


For all of Wittman's issues, young players turning into knuckleheads hasn't really been one of them. Young, Blatche & JaVale all predated him.
   2524. King Mekong Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:32 PM (#4986387)
I don't like this spurs pick :/

edit: though it could make it easier to fit in Aldridge without changing too many other parts.
   2525. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:33 PM (#4986388)
I think Looney would be a good risk for Lakers here.
   2526. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:37 PM (#4986391)
I am very pleased with the night MN has had.
   2527. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:38 PM (#4986392)
Lakers take Larry Nance Jr.

I just have one question about that: What?
   2528. J. Sosa Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:38 PM (#4986393)
Mekong yeah that was my first thought too. Cap space.
   2529. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:41 PM (#4986396)
Even if it's not Aldridge, with all the FAs and uncertain varying cap holds on Green and Kawhi, feels like the Spurs may be in position to do some serious cap gymnastics, so a good season to have flexibility. I'm not crazy about Milutinov, but the Spurs brain trust undoubtedly knows a whole lot more about Euros than I do.
   2530. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:41 PM (#4986397)
This is the pick where it's widely believed Boston promised to draft Chris McCullough.
   2531. J. Sosa Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:42 PM (#4986399)
I like the Spurs route better than the punting Cleveland did. Take one of the better euros, save cap space, maybe he pans out.
   2532. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:42 PM (#4986400)
Ugh, I feel awful for Looney:
Jonathan Givony
‏@DraftExpress
Kevon Looney and his party left their Green Room table, despite not hearing his name selected yet. Very sad.
   2533. Quaker Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:43 PM (#4986401)
Yeah I thought Hernangomez looked better in the 5 mins of video I saw of him vs. the 3 mins I saw of Milutinov, but I'm willing to defer to Pop & RC despite my expertise on the matter.
   2534. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:44 PM (#4986403)
[2531] Presumably this is the Cavs plan at 31 and 36 and they get to do it twice (unless they unload those picks + Haywood for something useful).
   2535. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:44 PM (#4986404)
And the Celtics grab R.J. Hunter. I imagine they're elated.
   2536. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:44 PM (#4986405)
RJ Hunter at 28 is a steal.
   2537. JJ1986 Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:45 PM (#4986406)
I thought Hunter would have been the best fit for the Celtics at their first pick. Nice to get him here.
   2538. PJ Martinez Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:46 PM (#4986407)
Yeah, based on what I'd read, would have expected C's to take Hunter at 16 and Rozier at 28, rather than the reverse.

Either way, they sure have a lot of guards.
   2539. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:47 PM (#4986408)
Interesting to note that Kevon Looney went down at #27 in our draft. Pretty surprising that he and Harrell are both still on the board (and Harrell may well have gone in the second round if I hadn't comically reached for him up at #21.)

I think it's now safe to award me the Isiah Thomas Trophy for trading C.J. Miles and a second round swap for Harrell.
   2540. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:48 PM (#4986409)
And the Chris McCullough Mystery Team turns out to be Brooklyn.

I think McCullough's chances of being a total bust are near 100%, honestly. But as I just explained, I don't actually know anything about basketball.
   2541. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:48 PM (#4986410)
I was hoping Hollis-Jefferson would fall to 27, but I am utterly, utterly thrilled the Lakers went away from expectations and drafted Russell.

Coupled with a possible LMA signing or a Boogie trade, and its been a fun week for Laker fans, the best one in over a year.
   2542. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:49 PM (#4986411)
What do you make of them taking Nance, LAEH?
   2543. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:49 PM (#4986412)
Hunter shot 30.5% from 3 his final year. Yes, better before, yes, good at FT, yes, opponents were keying on him (though competition level low) -- but during the tourney at least his shot selection was awful. That can sometimes be taught of course, and getting a Crawford/JR Smith out of pick 28 is a fine outcome, but there are a lot of unrepentant gunners who end up as major net negatives.

(still a good pick at 28 to be sure, but I was ready to lambast someone who picked him at 15, so that's gotta go somewhere)
   2544. J. Sosa Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:51 PM (#4986413)
But the Spurs already took one of the best by not trading out. You are right though two lottery tickets instead of one.

As for Hunter I always get guys like that wrong. I didn't like Thompson or Martin.Maybe Kevin Martin type but I don't see how he stays on the floor defensively.

As for Looney I think something showed on medical. Throw that in with other stuff poor kid. Bad job by his agent.
   2545. tshipman Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:51 PM (#4986414)
Since the 1st round is pretty much over:

Picks I liked for the spot:
1. Karl Anthony-Towns--surest thing in the draft.
10. Justise Winslow--top five talent at number 10, always a good thing
11. Myles Turner--in my opinion, the last guy with a chance to be best player on a championship team.
20. Delon Wright--Great, great pick, imo. I love this guy. Not a great shooter, but shoots a good FT percentage, which indicates potential. My pick for the steal of the draft.
23. Rondae Hollis-Jefferson--good defender, good finisher, but not a shooter.


Picks I didn't like for the spot:
9. Frank Kaminsky--I don't think Kaminsky is a backup, let a lone a rotation guy. Taking him over Myles Turner is a great example of how dumb some teams still are.
12. Trey Lyles--Poor athleticism, not a shooter, big reach. Just why?
17. Rashad Vaughn--weak conference, weak secondary stats, poor FT% makes me think the 3p% is unlikely to transfer
18. Sam Dekker--poor shooter, poor athlete, what exactly is he good at?


Picks I'm not sure about:
2. D'Angelo Russell--high variance player. Seems likely to be a star or out of the league.
3. Jahlil Okafor--Heard a rumor the NBA was going to get rid of the 3p line, is that true? Asking for a friend.
   2546. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:52 PM (#4986416)
Nance Jr. might be a useful glue guy, but I won't hope for more than that.
   2547. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:53 PM (#4986417)
Golden State goes the pure BPA route and drafts Looney. Won't surprise me if they'll continue to dangle him as an enticement to get someone to take David Lee's contract off their hands.
   2548. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:54 PM (#4986418)
Cleveland has a pick now and another one in a few picks and most of the highest-rated guys on the board right now are bigs.
   2549. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:56 PM (#4986420)
This draft actually matched my estimates of value pretty well. Put Winslow at 5, Hezonja at 9, and Kaminsky at 12 and I'd feel hard pressed to find a steal or a terrible pick. The guys I liked more than their projections (Rozier, Grant) went higher than projected and the guys I thought could be busts (Hunter, Looney) went lower than projected.

I think Tyus Jones could be a steal and Lyles could be a bust, but not crazy on either count and it felt pretty reasonable all around.
   2550. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 10:59 PM (#4986421)
Tweeted by DraftExpress:

According to a NBA executive Kevon Looney was red-flagged with a degenerative back as well as a hip issue.
   2551. J. Sosa Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:00 PM (#4986422)
Good for Looney. That had to feel good.

I hated the Lyles pick. But Snyder and the staff excel at development. If they really can get him to develop range it will be a decent pick. I really don't see it though. Of course they got Hood to play credible defense which I thought I would never see after how often K benched him for lapses. And developed Gobert. And Hayward is way better than I thought possible. And Favors has developed. Kanter wouldn't accept coaching and Burke is 4"6 and can't shoot. Fingers crossed.
   2552. billyshears Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:01 PM (#4986423)
How have there been only 30 picks in 210 minutes when there are ostensibly only 5 minutes between picks? The NFL is much better at this.
   2553. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:02 PM (#4986424)
Tweeted by DraftExpress:

According to a NBA executive Kevon Looney was red-flagged with a degenerative back as well as a hip issue.



Oooof.
   2554. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:03 PM (#4986425)
How have there been only 30 picks in 210 minutes when there are ostensibly only 5 minutes between picks? The NFL is much better at this.


For the NFL it's a rule--the NFL can, and has in the recent past, slotted a team back a spot upon being one second late--whereas for the NBA it appears to be more of a guideline.
   2555. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:04 PM (#4986426)
I hated the Lyles pick. But Snyder and the staff excel at development. If they really can get him to develop range it will be a decent pick. I really don't see it though. Of course they got Hood to play credible defense which I thought I would never see after how often K benched him for lapses. And developed Gobert. And Hayward is way better than I thought possible. And Favors has developed. Kanter wouldn't accept coaching and Burke is 4"6 and can't shoot. Fingers crossed.


He hit 25 of 40 corner 3's in the workout. I'm assuming that's good for a big even in a workout or else it's really funny they told reporters about it? But yeah, only think I like about him is that Lindsey and others in the Jazz FO seemed to love him.
   2556. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:05 PM (#4986427)
Ugh, this guy just butchered Cedi Osman's name. The 'C' in modern Turkish is our 'J' not an 'S' sound.
   2557. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:06 PM (#4986428)
Oh, maybe I misheard and it's Chedi. That would make sense, and it bugs me that American sites never show that for Ch or Sh.

Nope, it is Cedi. So they just butchered it.
   2558. i hear there are a lot of dead animals in 57i66135 Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:07 PM (#4986429)
i wasn't a big fan of osman when i watched efes play this year.
   2559. Oriole Tragic didn't have the teams Lebron had Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:07 PM (#4986430)
Just me or did Harrell fall out first round? WTH?

Edit: #32 to HOU. Major steal, or did somebody find something wrong with him?
   2560. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:08 PM (#4986431)
Harrell did fall out of the first round. Starting to make me wonder if there's something ominous in his medicals we don't know about, too.

Houston's pick will probably be Christian Wood, I'd imagine.

Edit: Nope, Houston grabbed Harrell. Obviously I regard this as the steal of the draft.

Realistically it means I was comically wrong about Harrell and he isn't going to have much of a career, like everyone else drafted this low.
   2561. spivey Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:10 PM (#4986432)
Harrell is an undersized big that can't shoot. Granted, that Anteater guy was gigantic, but his size and strength really, really seemed to bother Harrell.

I don't like that Cleveland is trying to save a dollar or two on these picks. They need depth on their NBA roster.
   2562. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:11 PM (#4986433)
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 1m1 minute ago
As @ZachLowe_NBA just tweeted, Roy Hibbert has officially filed paperwork to invoke his $15.5 million salary for next season with Indiana


Indy reportedly tried to pressure him to opt out, so I'm guessing they'd dump him for almost nothing. Who would be a potential fit? Milwaukee? New York? Boston could use a rim protector but has a lot of bigs already.
   2563. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:11 PM (#4986434)
Harrell is an undersized big that can't shoot.


Yeah, that's about the long and short of it.

Tom: The only way Indiana's getting rid of Hibbert is if they can find someone who would want his expiring contract. No chance they get anything substantial back. They're best off just playing him this year, with Turner backing him up, and sliding Turner in as the starter next year when Hibbert leaves.
   2564. PJ Martinez Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:12 PM (#4986435)
Stein: "Sources say that the Pacers will now try to move Roy Hibbert after Hibbert sent in paperwork to opt into final year of his current contract."
   2565. Oriole Tragic didn't have the teams Lebron had Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:13 PM (#4986436)
Nice grab for Celtics at #33.
   2566. J. Sosa Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:14 PM (#4986437)
Harrell looks impressive but he doesn't rebound as much as you would think. Also strictly has to play as a four, can't defend wings or bigger players. He struggles against bigger players. If he can nail jumpers he will make it but if he were a killer rebounder I'd like him a lot better. I don't think he is nearly as good a prospect as guys like Milsap and Faried were.
   2567. J. Sosa Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:15 PM (#4986439)
Coke to spivey.
   2568. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:18 PM (#4986441)
Yeah, basically Harrell profiles as a player who might have made it 30 years ago but whose size and skills are too limited to play in the modern NBA. He can only defend fours but isn't especially great at it; he can't protect the rim; he can't shoot. The things he CAN do he's very good at and apparently his makeup is off the charts, but in 2015's NBA what's his role?

I liked him a lot, but the fact he went THIS low pretty clearly means I was wrong and didn't really understand what makes a successful basketball player. For an upperclassman to be entirely skipped in the first round means no NBA executives really think he has a chance. Even for bench guys modern NBA teams prize versatility, and Harrell has none.
   2569. Howie Menckel Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:21 PM (#4986442)

I think BBTF bets are silly so no thanks, but

"Picks I didn't like for the spot:
9. Frank Kaminsky--I don't think Kaminsky is a backup, let a lone a rotation guy. Taking him over Myles Turner is a great example of how dumb some teams still are."

that is a very gutsy call and I don't think you have Kaminsky pegged right, especially in the current era of big men. but I could be wrong.

   2570. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:21 PM (#4986443)
The suit game has been really strong this year, but Rakeem Christmas is the clear winner.
   2571. spivey Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:21 PM (#4986444)
tship: Regarding Lyles and Dekker, both are fine athletes for their positions to me, especially if you factor in size/length as athleticism (which you should in the NBA). Dekker, at least, has shown the ability to score against NBA level athletes in Arizona and Kentucky, which I think matters. Probably too much, since he isn't nearly the shooter he appeared in those games.
   2572. The District Attorney Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:21 PM (#4986445)
And the Chris McCullough Mystery Team turns out to be Brooklyn.
#NailedIt
   2573. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:22 PM (#4986446)
I think Kaminsky will hang around the league a while playing 15-20 minutes a game off the bench, but he'll never defend or rim protect well enough to do more than that. He should have gone down in the 20s. tshipman seems to be asserting he should have gone in the second round or not at all, which I agree with Howie is overselling the case.
   2574. spivey Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:25 PM (#4986447)
I like Harrell a lot, despite my previous post. Just not as an NBA player. If he makes it, it's going to be as a pure energy guy. Just when you look at his actual skills, size, athleticism it doesn't appear to be enough to be a starter. I could see him hanging around as a good second-teamer because of the fact he plays with a chip on his shoulder.
   2575. i hear there are a lot of dead animals in 57i66135 Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:25 PM (#4986448)
i'm not a big fan of hernangomez. it doesn't seem like he has any standout skills or attributes, but maybe that'll change with another few years of seasoning.

i'm also not a fan of drafting holmes. i like the guy and he does a lot of things i like, but with embiid/noel/okafor, i don't see much of a role for him. i hope we flip him to another team for future assets.
   2576. Oriole Tragic didn't have the teams Lebron had Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:27 PM (#4986450)
Sixers LOADING UP on bigs.
   2577. tshipman Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:27 PM (#4986451)
that is a very gutsy call and I don't think you have Kaminsky pegged right, especially in the current era of big men. but I could be wrong.


Who does Kaminsky guard? Even if you assume the offense translates (I don't), he's soooooo slooooooow. He doesn't protect the rim and he can't guard the perimeter.

tship: Regarding Lyles and Dekker, both are fine athletes for their positions to me, especially if you factor in size/length as athleticism (which you should in the NBA). Dekker, at least, has shown the ability to score against NBA level athletes in Arizona and Kentucky, which I think matters. Probably too much, since he isn't nearly the shooter he appeared in those games.


If Dekker/Lyles are good athletes, why do they get fewer than 1 block or steal per 40 minutes?
   2578. J. Sosa Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:31 PM (#4986452)
Re: Kaminsky

I see it about like Harvey. I've seen him comped to McRoberts but I don't think he can reach that level. He isn't quick enough to guard 4s and offers zero rim protection at five. I think 20s would have been ok like Zeth says.
   2579. J. Sosa Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:32 PM (#4986453)
Dang coke to Tship. I'm going to go broke.
   2580. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:32 PM (#4986454)
If Dekker/Lyles are good athletes, why do they get fewer than 1 block or steal per 40 minutes?


I don't think Lyles is a good athlete (not bad but probably below average to average for NBA), but he did play out of position and maybe was conservative in trying for steals with Towns and WCS backing him?
   2581. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:34 PM (#4986455)
Wouldn't Towns and WCS backing you be a reason to be aggressive in trying for steals?
   2582. Quaker Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:34 PM (#4986456)
Connaughton is already the best player on the Nets, right?
   2583. Oriole Tragic didn't have the teams Lebron had Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:35 PM (#4986457)
Jonathan Holmes still on the board. Some mocks had him 1st round. Pretty sure DX did, for a while.
   2584. Famous Original Joe C Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:36 PM (#4986459)
So far I think I like Boston's (shouts to Joe C) draft best (RJ Hunter, Holmes, Mickey, Tokoto). Great haul, and seems to actually fit the philosophy of the team.


Just saw this - thanks for the shout out! Helps to have four picks..

BTW - I had Hunter 16 and Mickey 28, so needless to say overall I'm happy with the celtics draft.
   2585. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:36 PM (#4986460)
I see it about like Harvey. I've seen him comped to McRoberts but I don't think he can reach that level.


Even if you do, that's not a reason to take him at #9!
   2586. Oriole Tragic didn't have the teams Lebron had Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:36 PM (#4986461)
Woj says RHJ to Nets.
   2587. Thok Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:37 PM (#4986462)
I thought Vaulet was an overdraft when I mocked him at 48, to an OKC looking desparately for people to stash away to save money.

What's Charlotte doing drafting him at 39?
   2588. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:37 PM (#4986463)
Doubt he amounts to anything, but I like taking a guard who scored about 20 points a game with a 2nd round pick.
   2589. J. Sosa Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:38 PM (#4986464)
I am not a big basketball stats guy but for prospects I do like the ones that correlate well to NBA athleticism like Ship mentioned. I also like free throw shooting. But I am a dope on the Internet. I have watched a ridiculous amount of College basketball the past few decades. So I got that going for me.
   2590. Quaker Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:38 PM (#4986465)
Well I guess that makes sense. Portland upgrades from Batum to Connaughton @ SF. Not sure why LMA wld leave now that he can play with a guy of PC's talent.
   2591. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:38 PM (#4986466)
Man do I hate hate hate that trade for Portland. What are they doing?

Response to #2590: If Connaughton was an upgrade over Batum he would not have gone at #41. He'd have gone more like #15.

Is there some kind of sarcastic "Pat Connaughton is the savior!" meme going around that I missed?
   2592. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:38 PM (#4986467)
Wouldn't Towns and WCS backing you be a reason to be aggressive in trying for steals?


Don't kick away these straws I'm grasping at, Zeth.
   2593. tshipman Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:39 PM (#4986468)
I think 20s would have been ok like Zeth says.


20s is fine, btw. The default expectation for a pick in the 20s is a non-NBA player.
   2594. Quaker Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:41 PM (#4986469)
Connaughton jumps higher, throws harder and shoots better than Batum. Also isnt French.
   2595. Oriole Tragic didn't have the teams Lebron had Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:41 PM (#4986470)
Not sure why PHO just did that deal.
   2596. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:45 PM (#4986472)
Late responding to this:

For all of Wittman's issues, young players turning into knuckleheads hasn't really been one of them. Young, Blatche & JaVale all predated him.


That's not a worry; Kelly Oubre's already a knucklehead. He needs a good strong coach to try to get through his late second round head so as to access that early first round talent. Wittman probably ain't it, and firing him and bringing in some other J. Random is a surefire way to see Oubre ruined.

All IMO.
   2597. Oriole Tragic didn't have the teams Lebron had Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:46 PM (#4986473)
CHA just did the deal Thok wanted for Vaulet.
   2598. nick swisher hygiene Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:48 PM (#4986474)
C'mon Thunder, grab Tokoto...
   2599. aberg Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:51 PM (#4986475)
I couldn't be happier about the Minnesota draft. They used the same strategy I did here, but executed it better. They got the pg I wanted and gave up a pick rather than Bjelica to get him. That, and I'm obviously thrilled about KAT.
   2600. Oriole Tragic didn't have the teams Lebron had Posted: June 25, 2015 at 11:52 PM (#4986476)
Yet another big for PHI.
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