Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Thursday, August 06, 2020

OT - NBA Bubble Thread

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, and hopefully none of them get caught leaving the bubble for strip club wings.

Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: August 06, 2020 at 06:04 PM | 4089 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: bubbles, nba, off-topic

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

Page 33 of 41 pages ‹ First  < 31 32 33 34 35 >  Last ›
   3201. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: September 29, 2020 at 08:35 AM (#5979505)
The thought of watching a KAT-less Wolves team run Russell and Culver and Wiseman or whatever out is just so soul-crushing. It might spell the end for me.
   3202. jmurph Posted: September 29, 2020 at 09:13 AM (#5979508)
I think Doc would be the best choice for any of Philly, Houston, or New Orleans. I'm admittedly higher on him than most because I value his ability to keep teams motivated and engaged (whatever happened with PG notwithstanding).

Agree on Philly and New Orleans, not sure about Houston. I honestly just don't know what direction they're going in or if someone can get Harden et al to play a different way.
   3203. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: September 29, 2020 at 09:48 AM (#5979513)
Walker and Grabbem Handsy are still good, but their best days are probably in the past.


I honestly thought you were referring to Marcus Smart for a good few minutes...
   3204. CFBF is Outside the Margin of Error Posted: September 29, 2020 at 01:09 PM (#5979550)
   3205. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: September 29, 2020 at 02:24 PM (#5979577)
I am really liking the stuff that Sam Vecenie is putting out at The Athletic.
   3206. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: September 29, 2020 at 11:37 PM (#5979712)
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanHoops
Ryan and Goodman Pod where I pose the question to @GlobeBobRyan: Is Brad Stevens on the hot seat going into next season?
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanHoops
I would not be shocked to see Jeff Van Gundy coaching the Clippers next season.
   3207. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: September 29, 2020 at 11:58 PM (#5979715)
I think Doc would be the best choice for any of Philly, Houston, or New Orleans. I'm admittedly higher on him than most because I value his ability to keep teams motivated and engaged (whatever happened with PG notwithstanding).

yeah, sure, in.
The thought of watching a KAT-less Wolves team run Russell and Culver and Wiseman or whatever out is just so soul-crushing. It might spell the end for me.

MIN is in the "snake eating its own tail" phase of rebuilding. their caproom is gone; their foundation is non-existent; there are a bunch of interesting young players, but they don't fit into any cohesive philosophy.


if i was them, i'd try to get davis bertans as a free agent; the defense would be an abomination, but there'd at least be a chance that the offense would be good enough to approach .500.
   3208. jmurph Posted: September 30, 2020 at 09:14 AM (#5979735)
I'm skeptical of KAT at this point, too (and have always been skeptical of Russell), but I want to see what the KAT/Beasley/Russell trio with competent pieces around them could look like.

Small caveat that Beasley may be facing felony weapons/drug charges, so there's that.
   3209. tshipman Posted: September 30, 2020 at 01:33 PM (#5979785)
I think Minnesota has too many guys who don't play winning basketball. Maybe you could fix it with better coaching or better schemes, particularly on defense.

The Wolves played like the league's best offense when KAT was on the court (115.7 ORTG). However, they also played like the league's worst defense (117.8 DRTG).

You cannot be a good team with the league's worst defense. Portland was the only playoff team in the bottom 10 in defense, and they were 5 points better on ORTG than the Wolves!
   3210. spivey Posted: September 30, 2020 at 01:45 PM (#5979791)
KAT is very slow footed. Even if Golden State and Harden age out of their primes, teams hunting mismatches in the playoffs and the prevalence of guards and wings that can hit the step back 3 and otherwise just make a slow-footed center's life hell will only increase.

I'd trade KAT if given a good offer.

I'm skeptical of KAT at this point, too (and have always been skeptical of Russell), but I want to see what the KAT/Beasley/Russell trio with competent pieces around them could look like.


What are competent pieces? I feel like you need a *LOT* of good wing defenders to drag their defense even up to mediocre given how bad the PG and C defense is, and good defensive wings that can hit 3s are not cheap.
   3211. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: September 30, 2020 at 01:54 PM (#5979793)
It is maddening to think about all the wasted money that could have gone to Betts, but once all that poor decision-making was done, *that's* when you are in a position to either trade Betts while you can, or get nothing.


Well, you do get something -- you get one year of Betts. That's valuable! If the Angels offered Mike Trout for 2021 (and only 2021) at his 2021 salary, for nothing in return, how many teams should say yes? All of them, or close to it.
   3212. tshipman Posted: September 30, 2020 at 01:57 PM (#5979796)
KAT is very slow footed. Even if Golden State and Harden age out of their primes, teams hunting mismatches in the playoffs and the prevalence of guards and wings that can hit the step back 3 and otherwise just make a slow-footed center's life hell will only increase.

I'd trade KAT if given a good offer.


I mean ... could he possibly be slower than Jokic? I think Jokic proves that at least in the regular season, you can scheme your way to a good defense despite a poor defender.

I would trade KAT as well for the right deal, but that ship sailed when they committed to Russell.
   3213. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: September 30, 2020 at 02:05 PM (#5979804)
I would trade KAT as well for the right deal, but that ship sailed when they committed to Russell.
i wouldn't say they committed to russell; they only gave up wiggins, which means it was a pretty free roll for them.
What are competent pieces? I feel like you need a *LOT* of good wing defenders to drag their defense even up to mediocre given how bad the PG and C defense is, and good defensive wings that can hit 3s are not cheap.

nerlens noel
davis bertans
jrue holiday
nic batum
larry nance
landry shamet
al horford
tobias harris
aron baynes
lauri markkanen
   3214. tshipman Posted: September 30, 2020 at 02:29 PM (#5979816)
Denver is the #16 defense and has a similarly bad PG and Center on defense.

They play Millsap, Gary Harris and Will Barton, who are all good defenders, as their primary lineup. That allows them to be competent. Who's out there who can fill those roles for Minnesota?
   3215. jmurph Posted: September 30, 2020 at 02:30 PM (#5979817)
What are competent pieces? I feel like you need a *LOT* of good wing defenders to drag their defense even up to mediocre given how bad the PG and C defense is

Yeah this is totally fair, I was probably being too charitable.
   3216. jmurph Posted: September 30, 2020 at 02:31 PM (#5979818)
Denver is the #16 defense and has a similarly bad PG and Center on defense.

I think Jokic is a lot better than Towns on defense. Sadly.
   3217. tshipman Posted: September 30, 2020 at 02:33 PM (#5979819)
Jokic gets better results today, but does Jokic have better tools than Towns on defense?

I think Towns could approach Jokic levels of defense with a better scheme/coaching. Maybe that's too optimistic, but I thought Towns had the potential to be DPOY coming out of school.
   3218. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 30, 2020 at 02:36 PM (#5979822)
I was just going to say, isn't Jokic actually pretty good playing post defense? KAT doesn't seem to play defense anywhere.
   3219. jmurph Posted: September 30, 2020 at 02:36 PM (#5979823)
That was the talk heading into the draft, too! I have watched a loooooot of Wolves games in his career, he's terrible, just constantly getting beat on any kind of action. I'm definitely not writing him off, but it's really pretty astonishing.

(this was in response to tship/3217)
   3220. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: September 30, 2020 at 02:43 PM (#5979825)
They play Millsap, Gary Harris and Will Barton, who are all good defenders, as their primary lineup. That allows them to be competent. Who's out there who can fill those roles for Minnesota?
MIN already has culver and okogie, both of whom were supposed to be really strong wing defenders.

there's no guarantee that either of them are good enough to stick, but if they are, they would fit that mold.
   3221. jmurph Posted: September 30, 2020 at 02:50 PM (#5979832)
I think it's pretty unlikely that Okogie is ever good enough on offense to soak up too many minutes, but he is a good defender.
   3222. If on a winter's night a traveling violation Posted: September 30, 2020 at 02:54 PM (#5979838)
The best way to be effective as a slow-footed big is to be extremely spatially aware, with great anticipation: if you can't get in the way fast enough, you have to maximize your ability to already be in the way. That's one tool where Jokic has a huge advantage over KAT.

I have been fairly down on Towns for years now—he's an incredible offensive talent, and his size and hands means he's hardly hopeless, but bigs have an outsized impact on defense; a bad-defending offensive star is much, much more awkward to build around when they're a big than a guard. Towns needs a very friendly defensive environment for his team to be good, and the only easy way to achieve that is, well, playing a great defensive center.
   3223. tshipman Posted: September 30, 2020 at 03:21 PM (#5979854)
The big difference that I see between Towns and Jokic is not spatial awareness or lateral quickness, but strength and intelligence. Towns gets pushed around all the damn time, and he bites on every single fake around the rim.

Schematically, he drops super deep and it hurts him because he has no idea where to be against most PnR coverages. He also never seems to know what to do when there's someone driving and there's a lot of space between him and the player.

Edit: good video scouting report from Ben Taylor here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW51k7QjTHU
   3224. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: September 30, 2020 at 03:28 PM (#5979859)
Would I be willing to trade Towns, if given a sweet offer? Sure - the defensive struggles are real.
But it would be a really tough sell, given his age and offensive ability.

You know, one plus he gives you defensively is that the other team has to guard him -- which impacts which combinations they feel comfortable putting on the floor. This gives you a number of avenues for building a club around him (you can go all shooters, you can play some plus-to-elite defenders with shooting issues (some of which maybe available on the cheap this year), and so on) - he's really good on O! (as no one doubts)
   3225. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: September 30, 2020 at 03:31 PM (#5979864)
KAT's most common teammate on the floor this year was Robert Covington, followed by Wiggins, Okogie, and Culver. The Wolves actually had a pretty good defense apart from KAT. There's just nothing he does particularly well -- bad feet, bad hands, limited awareness, poor positioning, little effort. Maybe it's all tied to that last one, and if you could motivate him he can get up around average. I don't know. But the issue with Minny's defense, at least to this point in time, hasn't been the the players around KAT; it's him.

EDIT: And the other thing that stands out comparing KAT and Jokic defensively is that Jokic has quicker and more active hands. They're both really slow moving obviously, but Jokic gets a lot more deflections.
   3226. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: September 30, 2020 at 03:42 PM (#5979875)
Culver's ability on defense is largely theoretical, imo. Granted, he was a rookie - but I'm not sold yet. Covington is fantastic at help, but has some man-on limitations and Wiggins was never that good at defense with the Wolves.
(I do like Okogie on D, but I'm also not super rational w/ him.)
   3227. tshipman Posted: September 30, 2020 at 05:13 PM (#5979950)
You know, one plus he gives you defensively is that the other team has to guard him -- which impacts which combinations they feel comfortable putting on the floor. This gives you a number of avenues for building a club around him (you can go all shooters, you can play some plus-to-elite defenders with shooting issues (some of which maybe available on the cheap this year), and so on) - he's really good on O! (as no one doubts)


I'd be interested in seeing Allen Iverson, but a Center. I don't think the Wolves are, though.
   3228. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: September 30, 2020 at 05:14 PM (#5979952)
completely ass-pulled guess:

doc rivers is going to be the sixers' new head coach.
   3229. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 30, 2020 at 05:17 PM (#5979955)
I've been guessing that too. The 76ers need some Ubuntu.

I can not imagine Mike D'Antoni wanting anything to do with the current squad or vice versa.
   3230. tshipman Posted: September 30, 2020 at 05:43 PM (#5979963)
I'd love to see Mike, Dan and Tony coaching in Indiana. That would be a fascinating fit.
   3231. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: September 30, 2020 at 06:31 PM (#5979972)
I've been guessing that too. The 76ers need some Ubuntu.
the operating system?
I can not imagine Mike D'Antoni wanting anything to do with the current squad or vice versa.
dan tony was an assistant here for a few months, a few years ago, and he is, apparently, the owner's preferred candidate.
   3232. If on a winter's night a traveling violation Posted: September 30, 2020 at 07:36 PM (#5979983)
the operating system?
big fanbase, slow to update compared to many of its peers... might be a good fit. Can't use Arch or openSUSE with the current roster, teams could just clog the lane on the rolling release.
   3233. If on a winter's night a traveling violation Posted: September 30, 2020 at 07:38 PM (#5979984)
I'm a little sorry the last joke was so forced, but I'm not sorry I posted it anyway.
   3234. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: September 30, 2020 at 07:48 PM (#5979986)
I'm a little sorry the last joke was so forced, but I'm not sorry I posted it anyway.
i'm sure it would make sense to steve ballmer.
   3235. JJ1986 Posted: September 30, 2020 at 08:28 PM (#5980005)
All day I was thinking this game was at 8:00. I'm going to struggle to stay up for the whole thing if it tips at like 9:20.
   3236. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: September 30, 2020 at 09:04 PM (#5980020)
All day I was thinking this game was at 8:00. I'm going to struggle to stay up for the whole thing if it tips at like 9:20.
just snort some dayquil.
   3237. JJ1986 Posted: September 30, 2020 at 09:06 PM (#5980021)
What's up with Meyers Leonard?
   3238. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: September 30, 2020 at 09:18 PM (#5980025)
why is the lakers' coaching staff cosplaying as star trek crewmates?
   3239. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: September 30, 2020 at 09:19 PM (#5980026)
I just looked up what Danny Green has shot from three in the playoffs this year: 36.4%. Someone tell Lakers twitter?
(Awful from two though and hasn’t had an unequivocally good playoffs since 15-16..
   3240. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: September 30, 2020 at 09:23 PM (#5980027)
538 was right.
   3241. SteveF Posted: September 30, 2020 at 09:24 PM (#5980028)
ECF was the NBA Finals apparently.
   3242. Rally Posted: September 30, 2020 at 09:29 PM (#5980029)
So Anthony Davis and I were both the same height at age 17?

That is some growth spurt, I've heard of some big ones (Scottie Pippen) but that's 7 inches in a year.

The following year he was 6-10, the best big man in the NCAA, a champion, and the first overall pick.

The year after I was 17, I was still 6'3.
   3243. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: September 30, 2020 at 09:35 PM (#5980030)
This pace is a ton of fun.
   3244. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 30, 2020 at 09:39 PM (#5980032)
I know that this is not exactly breathtaking analysis but the Heat will need to Bam to avoid foul trouble to win this series. Davis will just eat anyone else up. But having Bam guard Davis will make it hard for him to avoid foul trouble.
   3245. SteveF Posted: September 30, 2020 at 09:47 PM (#5980033)
Miami isn't getting killed on the boards, though the Lakers haven't exactly missed a lot of shots.
   3246. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 30, 2020 at 09:53 PM (#5980035)
Both of these teams are killing it from 3. 55.2% on 16-29 shooting combined. That's pretty good.
   3247. Der-K's emotional investment is way up Posted: September 30, 2020 at 09:55 PM (#5980037)
I grew 7 inches in a year in high school, but topped out at six foot.
   3248. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 30, 2020 at 09:59 PM (#5980039)
Green dribbled the ball and something positive happened for the Lakers. Is that legal?
   3249. tshipman Posted: September 30, 2020 at 10:08 PM (#5980042)
the replay challenge *actually* got overturned.
   3250. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: September 30, 2020 at 10:12 PM (#5980043)
Is anyone else’s sound screwed up? Watching on ABC and the audio is horrible.
   3251. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 30, 2020 at 10:12 PM (#5980044)
Incredible. That's like the third time this playoffs that Frank Vogel actually had to raise his voice.
   3252. SteveF Posted: September 30, 2020 at 10:13 PM (#5980045)
Tyler Herro is a -30 in 17 minutes.
   3253. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: September 30, 2020 at 10:14 PM (#5980046)
Ouch
   3254. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 30, 2020 at 10:14 PM (#5980047)
Is anyone else’s sound screwed up? Watching on ABC and the audio is horrible.

I was just going to post the same. The audio is really weird.

The Lakers aren't going to lose many games if they shoot 35% from 3. I don't think the Heat have enough quality bigs to win this series.
   3255. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: September 30, 2020 at 10:19 PM (#5980050)
The following year he was 6-10, the best big man in the NCAA, a champion, and the first overall pick.


. Can’t remember if we had a mock draft going that year, but I remember making the case that John Henson would give you80% of what AD would be
   3256. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 30, 2020 at 10:44 PM (#5980058)
I honestly thought this would be a grinding series, that the Heat defense would really make the Lakers work. It's one game, but gawd damn.
   3257. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 30, 2020 at 10:46 PM (#5980061)
I honestly thought this would be a grinding series, that the Heat defense would really make the Lakers work. It's one game, but gawd damn.

LeBron doesn't lose playoff series against the East.
   3258. SteveF Posted: September 30, 2020 at 10:46 PM (#5980062)
Heat will have to win shootouts, I think. Their defense wasn't good last series and that was with some favorable matchups.
   3259. aberg Posted: September 30, 2020 at 10:48 PM (#5980063)
It seems like Miami has two big problems so far.

One is that the Lakers are relentlessly getting Herro or Robinson switched onto Lebron and he's abusing them. No, his teammates aren't going to shoot over 50% from 3s consistently, but he's having a really easy job getting the defense out of position and setting up the best possible looks for his teammates. There are ways to mitigate that part through strategy. They can switch less or try to scramble at the point of the screen, leaning on their zone more, or switching up personnel at times.

The other problem is LA's size on the interior. They're getting too many offensive rebounds and easy looks at the rim because Miami just isn't matching their size (and they're not getting the corresponding benefit of more efficient offense out of it). Unless you really want more Olynyk, I don't know that the second problem is as solvable. They just need to make shots.
   3260. aberg Posted: September 30, 2020 at 10:49 PM (#5980064)
I honestly thought this would be a grinding series, that the Heat defense would really make the Lakers work. It's one game, but gawd damn.


I was one of a few people who looked at this series as, "LA looks like a much better team, but I just don't understand how Miami has continued to look so good for 3 series in a row, so maybe I'm missing something." So far, the qualifier has been unnecessary.
   3261. Srul Itza Posted: September 30, 2020 at 10:50 PM (#5980065)
It seems like Miami has two big problems so far.


One is named LeBron
One is named Anthony
   3262. NJ in NJ Posted: September 30, 2020 at 10:56 PM (#5980067)
One defensive fix is for the Heat to stop giving up the switch so easy. They're allowing LeBron to get what he wants when he's on ball.
   3263. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 30, 2020 at 10:57 PM (#5980070)
Nothing like nearly 20 minutes of garbage time to start off the Finals.
   3264. tshipman Posted: September 30, 2020 at 11:03 PM (#5980076)
Guys, I'm not sure, but I don't think the zone is working.
   3265. Srul Itza Posted: September 30, 2020 at 11:05 PM (#5980078)
Between about 1/2 way through the first, and 1/2 way through the third, the Lakers outscored the Heat by 45 points.

Ouch.
   3266. NJ in NJ Posted: September 30, 2020 at 11:07 PM (#5980079)
Game 1s are usually the time to catch LeBron teams so...this suddenly looks like a short series.
   3267. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 30, 2020 at 11:18 PM (#5980084)
The lead is down from 30 to 18, and Jimmy's back in the game. AD and James are still in. They're gonna play down to the last minute, so that's something.
   3268. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 30, 2020 at 11:24 PM (#5980087)
This Kendrick Nunn fellow is getting buckets.
   3269. tshipman Posted: September 30, 2020 at 11:31 PM (#5980091)
Not great chatter from the Lakers/LeBron here in the 4th.
   3270. tshipman Posted: September 30, 2020 at 11:33 PM (#5980092)
Derrick Jones Jr has no shot defending LeBron.
   3271. puck Posted: September 30, 2020 at 11:35 PM (#5980093)
538 was right.


Miami just sacrificed game 1 to make it a fair challenge?
   3272. Srul Itza Posted: September 30, 2020 at 11:38 PM (#5980097)
I was at the Lakers home opener this year. Seems like a lifetime ago. There was one stretch where LeBron and AD were really clicking, and you saw what this year could be -- or could have been.

Having the two best players on the Court -- and not just on the Court, but two of the best players in the League -- is not so easy to overcome.
   3273. tshipman Posted: September 30, 2020 at 11:44 PM (#5980099)
Some serious 1989 finals vibes. That was the year that Byron Scott, Magic and Kareem all got hurt in the finals.

I really hope Bam can come back and play. It sounds like Dragic may be out for the series, and Jimmy's ankle is kind of a day to day thing.

Bam is maybe my favorite young player, really hoping he's able to make this a series because otherwise the Heat just don't have a shot.
   3274. spivey Posted: October 01, 2020 at 09:15 AM (#5980148)
If Butler and/or Bam are hurt during the series, you know what that means. ASTERISKS BABY! The best team the Lakers would have played would have been Denver without their 3rd best player, a Denver team outscored in their first round series.

Meaning that we would not be able to give the Lakers or LeBron a championship. Instead of the trophy ceremony, they'll just show Adam Silver melting the trophy down into goop over an open fire.
   3275. jmurph Posted: October 01, 2020 at 09:29 AM (#5980154)
Was just thinking about next season, and am I crazy for thinking that MLB's experience, bumpy as it was, will lead the NBA to just having a (relatively) normal season next year? Sans fans, obviously, but normal travel, everyone hosts games, etc.?
   3276. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: October 01, 2020 at 09:59 AM (#5980158)
538 still has the Heat as favorites.
   3277. Rally Posted: October 01, 2020 at 10:56 AM (#5980180)
Was just thinking about next season, and am I crazy for thinking that MLB's experience, bumpy as it was, will lead the NBA to just having a (relatively) normal season next year? Sans fans, obviously, but normal travel, everyone hosts games, etc.?


I don't think the bubble idea is going to fly again. That's a lot of time for multi-millionaires to be couped up in Disney hotels. Which might seem like a nice lifestyle to you or me, doesn't quite cut it for the guy who just bought Katharine Hepburn's old estate as his 3rd house in the LA area.

Normal NBA seasons begin in October, so we know for sure that is not happening. I don't think there will be a 2020-21 season. What comes next will simply be the 2021 season. I'd guess regular arenas, regular travel, zero fans or greatly reduced attendance based on the restrictions in place in each city.

Isn't the labor agreement up for negotiations? That will probably be a tough one and might delay things further, as owners will demand something that will make up for the losses (or reduced profits) from this season, and of course the players will fight that.
   3278. jmurph Posted: October 01, 2020 at 11:06 AM (#5980183)
Normal NBA seasons begin in October, so we know for sure that is not happening. I don't think there will be a 2020-21 season. What comes next will simply be the 2021 season. I'd guess regular arenas, regular travel, zero fans or greatly reduced attendance based on the restrictions in place in each city.

Oh right I know the date stuff, they've been saying Christmas-ish at the earliest.
   3279. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: October 01, 2020 at 11:39 AM (#5980194)
I think Silver said it would be January most likely.

I think a bubble is doable for a partial season/playoffs like this year. But not a full season. NFL and now MLB are starting to allow some fans, but that's still outdoor seating so slightly less risky than an indoor arena. There's also going to be different things allowed depending on the city/state.

---

Last night was the first night in a while the game seemed really different to me. I had gotten used to the bubble setup - and had said all along the NBA has the best TV presentation. I *know* there aren't any fans there and the virtual fans aren't really that interesting, but I wasn't consciously thinking of the fact they were playing in front of essentially no one; it's impossible to not consistently be reminded of no (or barely any) fans in all of the other sports. The Stanley Cup presentation for the Lightning the other night also felt extremely staged to me and very weird without fans.

---

The Heat's chances of winning this series weren't great before, but it's going to be extremely anti-climatic if they're this hobbled and the Lakers can just blow them out (which will likely happy without Dragic and a severely limited Bam). Too bad.
   3280. tshipman Posted: October 01, 2020 at 12:21 PM (#5980199)
The Heat's chances of winning this series weren't great before, but it's going to be extremely anti-climatic if they're this hobbled and the Lakers can just blow them out (which will likely happy without Dragic and a severely limited Bam). Too bad.


I mean, maybe Kendrick Nunn can step in for Dragic? I kinda wonder what adjustments Spo is going to make in game 2. I can't see the zone being effective, but maybe they don't have a choice except to keep running it.

I almost feel like the Herro 37 point game was the worst thing to happen to the Heat this postseason. He keeps getting more burn than he should.
   3281. jmurph Posted: October 01, 2020 at 12:27 PM (#5980202)
I can't see the zone being effective, but maybe they don't have a choice except to keep running it.

I know they added theoretically good defenders at the deadline but it's not like they were a great defensive team all year. The zone is, I think, their only way to be one. But it's absolutely possible it's got no chance of working against LeBron and Davis.
   3282. tshipman Posted: October 01, 2020 at 12:36 PM (#5980205)
The zone was why the Lakers got all those WIIIIIDE OPEN 3p shots in the second quarter, and why Anthony Davis went nuts.

Then they started going more man to man and LeBron started picking on the weak defensive guards in the third.

Spo knows more about coaching NBA defense than I ever will, so I'm curious how he will respond. To me, it looks like a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Every choice seems suboptimal.
   3283. jmurph Posted: October 01, 2020 at 12:41 PM (#5980208)
Obviously you don't want too many wide open 3s but man, if it's me I'm living with subpar shooters firing away vs LeBron isoing on Herro, I think? But yeah, two bad options.
   3284. jmurph Posted: October 01, 2020 at 12:46 PM (#5980212)
I'm totally motivated to be right on this one, I admit, but other than the final game in the ECF Iguodala continues to look extremely toasty.
   3285. spivey Posted: October 01, 2020 at 01:07 PM (#5980216)
I agree with 3284. I guess if Iguodala is allowed to maul LeBron like he's been in past finals, maybe that can make up for the toastiness.
   3286. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: October 01, 2020 at 01:18 PM (#5980223)
Alec Sturm @alec_sturm

Kyrie Irving speaks on the coaching situation: "I don't really see us having a "head" coach. KD could be a head coach, I could be a head coach (some days)."

KD adds: "Jacque Vaughn could be a head coach could do it one day. It's a collaborative effort."
   3287. jmurph Posted: October 01, 2020 at 01:20 PM (#5980226)
Ahahahahhahahahahahahaha
   3288. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: October 01, 2020 at 01:22 PM (#5980227)
Oh that's gonna work great.
   3289. If on a winter's night a traveling violation Posted: October 01, 2020 at 01:29 PM (#5980229)
Dragic has been one of the Heat's best players all playoffs, and was good for just over 20 points a game against the Celtics, many of them really tough buckets—take that out and last round would have played out very differently. You could see it early on, his touch and timing on floaters and layups was a big part of the Heat's early run, and once he left, their offense got a lot more reliant on just hitting 3s. Just brutal injury timing for Miami.
   3290. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: October 01, 2020 at 01:31 PM (#5980230)
Option 1

Option 2

Option 3

Get yourself a 2 for 1, a coach and a player.
   3291. tshipman Posted: October 01, 2020 at 01:35 PM (#5980233)
@Moses: those are just links to the trade machine home page.

Jesus, Kyrie and KD are a perfect match for eachother.
   3292. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: October 01, 2020 at 01:44 PM (#5980236)
Damn, oh well. Time to get a new keyboard. Just imagine me trading Kyrie to the teams still without a head coach.
   3293. Tin Angel Posted: October 01, 2020 at 01:46 PM (#5980237)
Kyrie seems to be at the J.R. Smith level of stupid.
   3294. Fourth True Outcome Posted: October 01, 2020 at 01:50 PM (#5980242)
I dunno if Kyrie is stupid, but he definitely seems to think he's the smartest person in whatever room he's in and every idea he has is tremendous, which is always a recipe for trouble.
   3295. tshipman Posted: October 01, 2020 at 01:57 PM (#5980245)
Dragic has been one of the Heat's best players all playoffs, and was good for just over 20 points a game against the Celtics, many of them really tough buckets—take that out and last round would have played out very differently. You could see it early on, his touch and timing on floaters and layups was a big part of the Heat's early run, and once he left, their offense got a lot more reliant on just hitting 3s. Just brutal injury timing for Miami.


Yeah. I've always liked Dragic's game, and he fits so well with Miami's offense in the playoffs. With Dragic out, they are significantly less dynamic, and all the replacements are just such an issue on defense. Herro and Duncan Robinson just have no chance when LeBron is hunting matchups. Even Derrick Jones Jr, who is a legitimately great defender, just isn't strong enough.

This means the Heat have to play a lot more Andre Iguodala. I love AI, but he's been washed for two years.
   3296. jmurph Posted: October 01, 2020 at 01:58 PM (#5980246)
I have to admit I don't understand the entire Kyrie thing. He spent his time in Boston publicly undermining his younger teammates yet they all seemed to love him. So this stuff seems to play well with other players for some reason.

Maybe Nash will find it charming, too!
   3297. aberg Posted: October 01, 2020 at 02:01 PM (#5980249)
Lebron and Davis are possibly the most zone-proof pair of players in the league, or even in my memory of players in the league. One of the greatest on-the-move passers ever and a big man with a great midrange game.

I guess Miami could lean heavily on lineups that look something like Bam-Crowder-Iguodala-Butler-Nunn, but that would really compromise their offense. I think they probably have to stick with man and try harder to prevent switching their worst defenders onto Lebron.

BTW, I looked it up and Robinson has one of the best defensive RPM ratings for any wing in the league. Based on the playoffs, I'm not buying it. It could be noise from the amount of zone he played.
   3298. Rally Posted: October 01, 2020 at 04:12 PM (#5980298)
I dunno if Kyrie is stupid, but he definitely seems to think he's the smartest person in whatever room he's in and every idea he has is tremendous, which is always a recipe for trouble.


Sounds like he has a future in politics.
   3299. If on a winter's night a traveling violation Posted: October 01, 2020 at 05:49 PM (#5980323)
@wojespn

After a rapid courtship and negotiation, Doc Rivers has reached agreement on a deal to become the next coach of the Philadelphia 76ers, sources tell ESPN.
   3300. ramifications of an exciting 57i66135 Posted: October 01, 2020 at 05:52 PM (#5980325)
flip
Page 33 of 41 pages ‹ First  < 31 32 33 34 35 >  Last ›

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Brian
for his generous support.

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogAre analytics to blame for Rays’ Kevin Cash pulling Blake Snell too early from Game 6 of 2020 World Series?
(129 - 11:34am, Oct 31)
Last: What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face?

NewsblogEmpty Stadium Sports Will Be Really Weird
(10257 - 11:10am, Oct 31)
Last: AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale

NewsblogDetroit Tigers hire A.J. Hinch as new manager
(15 - 7:55am, Oct 31)
Last: crict

NewsblogNBA Post-Bubble offseason thread
(233 - 3:53am, Oct 31)
Last: All Oriole Tragic heard was ruff ruff

NewsblogSources: Angels to bring in at least 7 candidates for GM position
(3 - 2:51am, Oct 31)
Last: The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV)

NewsblogIndians place Brad Hand on outright waivers
(23 - 1:09am, Oct 31)
Last: Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim

NewsblogSteve Cohen’s Mets purchase approved by MLB and de Blasio
(8 - 12:52am, Oct 31)
Last: Never Give an Inge (Dave)

NewsblogChamps! The best Dodgers team ever ends L.A.'s 32-year title drought | ESPN
(59 - 11:34pm, Oct 30)
Last: ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick

NewsblogPotential Orioles bidders line up in hopes the Angelos family decides to sell
(4 - 10:04pm, Oct 30)
Last: JRVJ

Sox TherapyMeet the 2021 Boston Red Sox - Position Players
(37 - 8:32pm, Oct 30)
Last: Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert

NewsblogMajor League Baseball cancels owners meetings, winter meetings due to COVID-19
(2 - 6:05pm, Oct 30)
Last: JRVJ

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 10-30-2020
(7 - 5:26pm, Oct 30)
Last: Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama

NewsblogWhy Tony La Russa is a sincerely curious choice for Chicago White Sox manager
(6 - 4:01pm, Oct 30)
Last: Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus

NewsblogSpokesperson: Mayor Bill de Blasio still 'evaluating' Mets sale to Steve Cohen
(37 - 3:27pm, Oct 30)
Last: Adam Starblind

NewsblogTony La Russa has some expletives for Harold Baines' Hall of Fame detractors
(12 - 3:16pm, Oct 30)
Last: What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face?

Page rendered in 0.6520 seconds
48 querie(s) executed