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Tuesday, April 16, 2019

OT - NBA thread (Playoffs through off-season)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, and this one only cares about the NBA thread and the Cubs so I have no idea what the rest of the website cares about.

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   4201. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: June 20, 2019 at 09:02 AM (#5853936)
4198: I think it should be optional. I was probably going to take Edwards anyway, so it's easy to pretend that I then traded him and Tony to DET for Leuer. I wouldn't have done that trade absent the IRL move but whatever.

and flip.
   4202. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: June 20, 2019 at 09:03 AM (#5853938)
context from the previous page:

4198. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 20, 2019 at 08:57 AM (#5853933)
Should Milwaukee and Detroit here be subject to that real life trade? We had already started prior to this and some real trades will happen that we can’t reproduce (for example, the real Atlanta just sold a draft pick that I, fake Atlanta, had already traded away.)

If so, WAS (Dandy Little Glove Man) is on the clock at 32 (BKN/mike f picked Fernando five posts up).


4199. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: June 20, 2019 at 08:59 AM (#5853934)
hey, that's probably who I was going to take. Him, or Jontay Porter or Eric Paschall.

With the 30th pick, Milwaukee selects Carsen Edwards, G PUR. Now let's picture the fun charade where he puts on a Bucks hat and pretends he's going there for a few minutes.
   4203. PJ Martinez Posted: June 20, 2019 at 09:06 AM (#5853941)
Huh.
Boston has offered center Aron Baynes -- $5.4M expiring contract -- into salary cap space elsewhere, league sources tell ESPN. Without Kyrie Irving and Al Horford on the books, moving Baynes without taking back salary could get the Celtics to $23M in space.
If the Celtics also renounce Rozier and Morris they might have room for a max contract. It's also possible they're just trying to make room for bad contracts attached to draft picks, or something, maybe as part of a larger draft-day deal.

Baynes may also want to go to more of a win-now team, now that he knows Horford's out the door, but if that were priority they wouldn't just be offering him to teams with room to take him into space. Baynes is a good player, he could definitely help someone.
   4204. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 20, 2019 at 09:06 AM (#5853942)
Hey Crosseyed, is there anyone else you were looking at? I’ll trade you #32 (the current pick) and #35 for Edwards and #45.
   4205. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 20, 2019 at 09:10 AM (#5853943)
I mean, it's just Aron Baynes, but I feel like Boston is really going to miss him if they're losing Horford too.

Who's their center right now? Theis? Good luck with that.

You have to think next year's starting Celtics center isn't on the roster yet.
   4206. jmurph Posted: June 20, 2019 at 09:16 AM (#5853945)
Who's their center right now?

Time Lord, obviously.

I've gone from shock/disappointment to interest at this point. I have literally no idea what Boston is going to do, and while I would obviously prefer to just be heading into next season among the title favorites, I can't say this isn't interesting.
   4207. PJ Martinez Posted: June 20, 2019 at 09:22 AM (#5853946)
Yeah, I can't tell whether they're going full youth movement or trying to position themselves for some big signing or trade. Maybe they're just trying to create options. Could be an interesting evening.

I'm up for watching Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Rozier, and Williams run like crazy and try to stay above .500 next year, although Rozier, in particular, might make me regret saying that by game three or so.
   4208. JJ1986 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 09:22 AM (#5853948)
I think Malcolm Brogdon in Boston would be a fun fit if they're going to sign a FA. You can put together a center rotation on the cheap and still have assets to move for a difference maker if you're contending in February.
   4209. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 20, 2019 at 09:24 AM (#5853949)
Hey Crosseyed, is there anyone else you were looking at? I’ll trade you #32 (the current pick) and #35 for Edwards and #45.


I'll just hang onto Edwards, I think. Have a couple guys I like but think Edwards is the best of that bunch and hoping one of the ones I want will slip to #45 anyway.
   4210. jmurph Posted: June 20, 2019 at 09:44 AM (#5853957)
I think Malcolm Brogdon in Boston would be a fun fit if they're going to sign a FA.

Agreed, though I suspect several teams are thinking the same thing and I wonder how big the number would have to be to get Milwaukee to let him go.
   4211. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 20, 2019 at 10:03 AM (#5853972)
I'll just hang onto Edwards, I think. Have a couple guys I like but think Edwards is the best of that bunch and hoping one of the ones I want will slip to #45 anyway.

Ok, feel free to change your mind when #35 rolls around if I take one of the guys you like. The Wizards select Talen Horton-Tucker, G/F, Iowa State.

Philly is on the clock.
   4212. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: June 20, 2019 at 10:06 AM (#5853974)
Boston has offered center Aron Baynes -- $5.4M expiring contract -- into salary cap space elsewhere, league sources tell ESPN.

This formulation of "trading Player X into another team's salary cap space" rather than "trading Player X to another team" seems to have appeared this week out of nowhere. Is it more or less dehumanizing than the traditional method of saying "trading Player X's contract" rather than "trading Player X"?
   4213. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: June 20, 2019 at 10:13 AM (#5853977)
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn 3m3 minutes ago

ESPN Sources: Golden State has acquired Atlanta’s No. 41 pick in tonight’s NBA Draft. The cost: $1.3M and a 2024 second-round pick. Atlanta moved No. 44 to Miami yesterday. Hawks have Nos. 8, 10, 17 and 35 tonight. Golden State has Nos. 28, 41 and 58.


I honestly am surprised a couple of these have already been sold. Maybe that always happens, but it doesn't come out until during the draft. Regardless,

Bobby Marks @BobbyMarks42 32m32 minutes ago

Here are the second rd. picks sold since 2017 (including the trade from yesterday):

31. $1.8 (swap)
37. $1.5*
38. $3.5
39. $3.2 and $1.5*
40. $1.8
44. $1.9*
45. $243K*
46. $1.9
48. $2.0
52. $1.0 and $1.5
59. $1.5

*= included a 2nd(s)


Hey, the Bulls were first in something!
   4214. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: June 20, 2019 at 10:29 AM (#5853984)
Moses Taylor has the photographic memory to eventually be a top pick in the BIG3 draft, but scouts say falling for weird new wellness trends could be an issue


Hmm.
   4215. jmurph Posted: June 20, 2019 at 10:29 AM (#5853985)
This scouting report generator is pretty funny (and accurate!):
jmurph has the vertical leap to draw Twitter praise from Magic Johnson, but scouts say extremely good looks could be an issue


EDIT: Scooped by Moses! You'll note the scouts said nothing about my quickness.
   4216. Rally Posted: June 20, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5853991)
Rally Monkey has the soft touch to get buckets, but scouts say affection for mid-range twos could be an issue


I blame my parents for being born before the 3 pointer became a thing.
   4217. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 20, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5853992)
TFTIO has the weirdly big hands to jump higher than Zion, but scouts say cracked phone screen could be an issue

My hands ARE strangely large, but decades of arthritic knees has robbed me of my nutsy ups.
   4218. Rally Posted: June 20, 2019 at 10:44 AM (#5853994)
Brian Kaat has the hesi pull-up jimbo to get their summer league jersey retired, but scouts say unpaid parking tickets could be an issue


I blame myself for this one, since I taught the cat to drive when he turned 16.
   4219. sardonic Posted: June 20, 2019 at 10:52 AM (#5853999)
I bet a lot of the draft pick sales are at least somewhat board dependent and the seller wants to wait to make sure no one they love falls. But with 4 picks before those seconds Atlanta is probably at the limit of a team's capacity to absorb rookies, or at least a team not run by some guy on a message board.
   4220. DCA Posted: June 20, 2019 at 10:53 AM (#5854000)
DCA has the proportional torso to get a Li-Ning contract, but scouts say buying bottles of Coke instead of Big Gulps at 7-11 could be an issue
   4221. JJ1986 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:12 AM (#5854011)
Philadelphia is on the clock:

1. New Orleans – sardonic - Zion Williamson, F, Duke
2. Memphis – Willard Baseball - Ja Morant, G, Murray State
3. New York – JC and NJ - RJ Barrett, F, Duke
4. New Orleans (from LAL) - sardonic - Jarrett Culver, G Texas Tech
5. Cleveland - Harlond - DeAndre Hunter, F, UVA
6. Phoenix – Oriole Tragic - Coby White, PG, UNC
7. Chicago - Moses - Darius Garland, G, Vanderbilt
8. Atlanta - Der-K - Cam Reddish, F, Duke
9. Indiana – JJ - Brandon Clarke, F/C, Gonzaga
10. Atlanta - Der-K - Bol Bol, C, Oregon
11. Minnesota - aberg - Nickeil Alexander-Walker, G, Virginia Tech
12. Charlotte - Fridas Boss - Sekou Doumbouya, F, Limoges CSP
13. Miami – Mouse – Jaxson Hayes, C, Texas
14. Boston – The Mighty Quintana - Romeo Langford, G, Indiana
15. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless - Grant Williams, F, UT
16. New Orleans (from ORL) – sardonic - Goga Bitadze, C, Mega Bemax
17. New Orleans (from ATL via WAS) - sardonic - Rui Hachimura, F, Gonzaga
18. Atlanta (from IND) – Der-K - Nassir Little, F, UNC
19. San Antonio – Quaker - P.J. Washington, F, Kentucky
20. Boston – The Mighty Quintana - Chuma Okeke, F/G, Auburn
21. Oklahoma City – Thok - Cameron Johnson, F, UNC
22. Boston – The Mighty Quintana - Dylan Windler, F, Belmont
23. Memphis (from UTA) – Willard Baseball - Tyler Herro, G, Kentucky
24. Washington (from PHI via WAS) – Dandy Little Glove Man - Nic Claxton, F/C, Georgia
25. Atlanta – Der-K - Matisse Thybulle, G, Washington
26. Cleveland - Harlond - Kevin Porter Jr., G, USC
27. Brooklyn – mike f – Keldon Johnson, G/F, Kentucky
28. Golden State – sardonic - KZ Okapla, F, Stanford
29. San Antonio – Quaker - Luka Šamanić, PF, Košarkarski klub Olimpija Ljubljana
30. Milwaukee – Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw – Carsen Edwards, G, Purdue

31. Brooklyn – mike f – Bruno Fernando, C, Maryland
32. Washington (from PHO via NOP) – Dandy Little Glove Man - Talen Horton-Tucker, G/F, Iowa State
33. Philadelphia- 57i66135
34. Philadelphia- 57i66135
35. Washington (from ATL) - Dandy Little Glove Man
36. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
37. Dallas - stevegamer
38. Chicago - Moses
39. Memphis (from NOP via PHO)– Willard Baseball
40. Sacramento - smileyy
41. Atlanta - Der-K
42. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic
43. Minnesota - aberg
44. Indiana (from ATL) - JJ1986
45. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless
46. Orlando – Athletic Supporter
47. Sacramento - smileyy
48. LA Clippers
49. San Antonio – Quaker
50. Indiana – JJ1986
51. Boston – The Mighty Quintana
52. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
53. Utah - Booey/Cervo
54. Philadelphia- 57i66135
55. New York – JC and NJ
56. LA Clippers
57. New Orleans – sardonic
58. Golden State - sardonic
59. Toronto
60. Sacramento - smileyy

Transactions:
MEM #39, Josh Jackson, Tyler Johnson
PHO Derrick Favors

MEM #23, Derrick Favors, Tony Bradley
UTA Mike Conley

NOP #16 (from ORL), #24 (from PHI), #42 (from PHI), ORL 2021 #1 (top-10 protected, then top-4, then unprotected), Timothy Mozgov (from ORL)
ORL Jrue Holiday (from NOP), Jonathon Simmons (from PHI)
PHI Frank Jackson (from NOP), Melvin Frazier (from ORL), Evan Fournier (from ORL)

NOP #32
PHO #39, Jahlil Okafor

WAS #17, #35
ATL #9

ATL Damontis Sabonis, #18
IND #9, #44

NOP #17
WAS #24, #32

POR Omari Spellman
ATL Skal Labissiere, #25

ATL 2020 2nd (protected 31-44 or 500K in 2025), rights to Cenk Aykol
PHO Skal Labissiere

IRL:
NOP #4, Ingram, Ball, Hart, future 1sts and swaps
LAL Anthony Davis

Maybe:
DET Carsen Edwards, Tony Snell
MIL Jon Leuer
   4222. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:41 AM (#5854029)
   4223. Booey Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5854030)
Booey has the soft touch to be shown in the crowd behind the TNT set, but scouts say trash tweets could be an issue


Yeah, I was warned those trash tweets would end up being my downfall...
   4224. udonis weakly 57i66135 zaza Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:51 AM (#5854031)
i'll comment in a few minutes, but in the interest of keeping things moving, the sixers will take:

33. Philadelphia- 57i66135 - Isaiah Roby, F, Nebraska
34. Philadelphia- 57i66135 - Darius Bazley, F, Parts Unknown



the next 3 picks:
35. Washington (from ATL) - Dandy Little Glove Man
36. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
37. Dallas - stevegamer
   4225. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:58 AM (#5854035)
The Wizards select DaQuan Jeffries, F/G, Tulsa. I'll post a recap of Washington's draft later.

Charlotte (Fridas Boss) is on the clock.
   4226. udonis weakly 57i66135 zaza Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:59 AM (#5854036)
i just decided to go for upside. roby is one of the best wing defenders in the draft this year, plus he has some ballhandling ability and he gets to the FT line.

he has a ben simmons thing going on, too, where he dribbles with left hand, but finishes nearly exclusively with his right. it's really weird.

if you watch his highlights, he constantly beats guys off...and i'm just gonna stop there, because i can't top that.



bazley is a pure upside play. he's big, athletic and skilled. i have no idea if he can shoot, or defend, or do anything at all, but whatever; it's a 2nd round pick.
   4227. udonis weakly 57i66135 zaza Posted: June 20, 2019 at 12:12 PM (#5854041)
FWIW, there were 4 other guys i was considering:
two of them were eliminated because their position is so deep right now.
one of them was eliminated because the sixers currently have 3 kind of decent/ish players at that position already.
the other one was really hard to not take, but he's coming off a down year and he's 2.5 years older than bazley, so he was the odd-man out.


the sixers as of now:
PG: simmons - ( *mumbles* ), jackson
SG: fournier - zhaire, milton
SF: ( butler ) - roby, frazier, bazley
PF: ( *mumbles* ) - ( scott ), bolden
C: embiid - ( *mumbles* )


figure in free agency:
give me thad young
give me seth curry
give me taj gibson
give me ekpe udoh

finally (/ish):
PG: simmons - curry, jackson
SG: fournier - zhaire, milton
SF: butler - roby, frazier, bazley
PF: thad - scott, bolden
C: embiid - gibson, udoh
   4228. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 20, 2019 at 12:13 PM (#5854042)
rr has the #NBATwitter clout to be comfortable in a big market, but scouts say giant back tattoo of a phoenix rising from the ashes could be an issue
   4229. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 20, 2019 at 12:15 PM (#5854044)
I think I like this one more:

rr has the court vision to be the next Dion Waiters, but scouts say all that partying could be an issue
   4230. Fridas Boss Posted: June 20, 2019 at 12:18 PM (#5854045)
At #36 Charlotte selects Ty Jerome, PG, UVA

Kemba insurance and solid backup if he resigns.

Next 3 picks are:

37. Dallas - stevegamer
38. Chicago - Moses
39. Memphis (from NOP via PHO)– Willard Baseball
   4231. jmurph Posted: June 20, 2019 at 12:21 PM (#5854047)
This strikes me as the kind of thing a fan would come up with in some writer's twitter replies:
The Golden State Warriors and Kevin Durant could agree to a deal worth approximately $220 million over five seasons, but he would be traded to another team at a later date.

"One of the things being discussed right now is the Golden State Warriors would offer Kevin Durant a five-year contract (with) $57 million extra that he could get than signing elsewhere," said Brian Windhorst. "Let him rehab and then work with him to be traded. Potentially to New York, potentially to somewhere else. Be their way to sort of take care of him monetarily after what he just went through and also protect the franchise to get some assets.

"If that happens, the Knicks would be in tremendous position to get back into it because they're going to have these young assets and cap space."

Windhorst further explained the scenario.

"For lack of a better term, it would be a delayed sign-and-trade," said Windhorst. "Because this is the only way Durant could get five years and play elsewhere. I'm just going to be honest with you: the Warriors going for this is a bit of a last ditch effort to not lose Kevin Durant for nothing. And what he would get out of it is an extra $57 million.

"Now you'd have to trust the Warriors that they would actually work with you in a trade, but it has at least been discussed."
   4232. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 20, 2019 at 12:25 PM (#5854052)
Amazingly accurate.

Mellow Mouse has the bendy ankles to star in a commercial with Lil' Penny, but scouts say calling out spells from Harry Potter when taking jumpers could be an issue

   4233. Fourth True Outcome Posted: June 20, 2019 at 12:26 PM (#5854053)
This hits far too close to home:
Fourth True Outcome has the court vision to be the next Luke Ridnour, but scouts say hitting the snooze button could be an issue
   4234. Booey Posted: June 20, 2019 at 12:32 PM (#5854056)
Mellow Mouse has the bendy ankles to star in a commercial with Lil' Penny, but scouts say calling out spells from Harry Potter when taking jumpers could be an issue


You gotta admit, a player yelling out "Avada Kedavra!" as he hit the game winner would be pretty bad a$$. Think Lillard's 35-ft series ender vs OKC...


(That's the killing curse, for the non-geeks out there)
   4235. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 20, 2019 at 12:32 PM (#5854057)
Der-K has the #NBATwitter clout to make people cry, but scouts say snacking could be an issue
   4236. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 20, 2019 at 12:35 PM (#5854060)
Using Dion Waiters and Luke Ridnour as memes was a very nice call.

In-house OTNBA poster scouting reports would be kind of funny as well.
   4237. DCA Posted: June 20, 2019 at 12:55 PM (#5854067)
Zion Williamson has the standing reach to be called “a helluva player” by Charles Barkley, but scouts say eating lunch at 10 a.m. could be an issue

Ja Morant has the zen mindset to win Rising Stars Challenge MVP twice, but scouts say history of laughing too hard at Duluth Trading Co. ads could be an issue

RJ Barrett has the long arms to win the G League dunk contest, but scouts say Fortnite addiction could be an issue
   4238. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: June 20, 2019 at 01:06 PM (#5854073)
CFBF has the outlet pass to jump out of the gym, but scouts say desire to stop and pet every dog they walk by could be an issue
   4239. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 20, 2019 at 01:09 PM (#5854074)
I'm genuinely starting to wonder if Malcolm Brogdon is going to get a max from someone, or damn close. It seems like every team in the NBA wants him--it only takes two that convince themselves they need him...
   4240. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 20, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5854075)
Stevegamer (Dallas) is on the clock.

1. New Orleans – sardonic - Zion Williamson, F, Duke
2. Memphis – Willard Baseball - Ja Morant, G, Murray State
3. New York – JC and NJ - RJ Barrett, F, Duke
4. New Orleans (from LAL) - sardonic - Jarrett Culver, G Texas Tech
5. Cleveland - Harlond - DeAndre Hunter, F, UVA
6. Phoenix – Oriole Tragic - Coby White, PG, UNC
7. Chicago - Moses - Darius Garland, G, Vanderbilt
8. Atlanta - Der-K - Cam Reddish, F, Duke
9. Indiana – JJ - Brandon Clarke, F/C, Gonzaga
10. Atlanta - Der-K - Bol Bol, C, Oregon
11. Minnesota - aberg - Nickeil Alexander-Walker, G, Virginia Tech
12. Charlotte - Fridas Boss - Sekou Doumbouya, F, Limoges CSP
13. Miami – Mouse – Jaxson Hayes, C, Texas
14. Boston – The Mighty Quintana - Romeo Langford, G, Indiana
15. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless - Grant Williams, F, UT
16. New Orleans (from ORL) – sardonic - Goga Bitadze, C, Mega Bemax
17. New Orleans (from ATL via WAS) - sardonic - Rui Hachimura, F, Gonzaga
18. Atlanta (from IND) – Der-K - Nassir Little, F, UNC
19. San Antonio – Quaker - P.J. Washington, F, Kentucky
20. Boston – The Mighty Quintana - Chuma Okeke, F/G, Auburn
21. Oklahoma City – Thok - Cameron Johnson, F, UNC
22. Boston – The Mighty Quintana - Dylan Windler, F, Belmont
23. Memphis (from UTA) – Willard Baseball - Tyler Herro, G, Kentucky
24. Washington (from PHI via WAS) – Dandy Little Glove Man - Nic Claxton, F/C, Georgia
25. Atlanta – Der-K - Matisse Thybulle, G, Washington
26. Cleveland - Harlond - Kevin Porter Jr., G, USC
27. Brooklyn – mike f – Keldon Johnson, G/F, Kentucky
28. Golden State – sardonic - KZ Okapla, F, Stanford
29. San Antonio – Quaker - Luka Šamanić, PF, Košarkarski klub Olimpija Ljubljana
30. Milwaukee – Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw – Carsen Edwards, G, Purdue

31. Brooklyn – mike f – Bruno Fernando, C, Maryland
32. Washington (from PHO via NOP) – Dandy Little Glove Man - Talen Horton-Tucker, G/F, Iowa State
33. Philadelphia- 57i66135 - Isaiah Roby, F, Nebraska
34. Philadelphia- 57i66135 - Darius Bazley, F
35. Washington (from ATL) - Dandy Little Glove Man - DaQuan Jeffries, F/G, Tulsa
36. Charlotte - Fridas Boss - Ty Jerome, PG, UVA
37. Dallas - stevegamer - On the Clock
38. Chicago - Moses
39. Memphis (from NOP via PHO)– Willard Baseball
40. Sacramento - smileyy
41. Atlanta - Der-K
42. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic
43. Minnesota - aberg
44. Indiana (from ATL) - JJ1986
45. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless
46. Orlando – Athletic Supporter
47. Sacramento - smileyy
48. LA Clippers
49. San Antonio – Quaker
50. Indiana – JJ1986
51. Boston – The Mighty Quintana
52. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
53. Utah - Booey/Cervo
54. Philadelphia- 57i66135
55. New York – JC and NJ
56. LA Clippers
57. New Orleans – sardonic
58. Golden State - sardonic
59. Toronto
60. Sacramento - smileyy

Transactions:
MEM #39, Josh Jackson, Tyler Johnson
PHO Derrick Favors

MEM #23, Derrick Favors, Tony Bradley
UTA Mike Conley

NOP #16 (from ORL), #24 (from PHI), #42 (from PHI), ORL 2021 #1 (top-10 protected, then top-4, then unprotected), Timothy Mozgov (from ORL)
ORL Jrue Holiday (from NOP), Jonathon Simmons (from PHI)
PHI Frank Jackson (from NOP), Melvin Frazier (from ORL), Evan Fournier (from ORL)

NOP #32
PHO #39, Jahlil Okafor

WAS #17, #35
ATL #9

ATL Damontis Sabonis, #18
IND #9, #44

NOP #17
WAS #24, #32

POR Omari Spellman
ATL Skal Labissiere, #25

ATL 2020 2nd (protected 31-44 or 500K in 2025), rights to Cenk Aykol
PHO Skal Labissiere

IRL:
NOP #4, Ingram, Ball, Hart, future 1sts and swaps
LAL Anthony Davis

DET #30 (Carsen Edwards), Tony Snell
MIL Jon Leuer
   4241. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: June 20, 2019 at 01:23 PM (#5854083)
I'm genuinely starting to wonder if Malcolm Brogdon is going to get a max from someone, or damn close. It seems like every team in the NBA wants him--it only takes two that convince themselves they need him...

Only takes one, since he's an RFA. And if you need him, and don't want the Bucks to match...
   4242. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 20, 2019 at 01:30 PM (#5854090)
I don’t know if it would work / make sense here, but I’d be willing to be a third team in the Anthony Davis deal, taking on Jemerrio Jones in exchange for the rights to, I dunno, Alain Digbeu. This would clear a tiny bit of more cap room for them to get a third star.
   4243. sardonic Posted: June 20, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5854093)
Sam Vecenie loves him some Goga Bitadze. After reading that, you get the feeling that is 80th percentile outcome is Clint Capela (not bad! strong screener and finisher in the PnR, protects the rim, will struggle a bit to switch out on the perimeter but how many big men are actually good at that), and his 99th percentile outcome is that, but with Brook Lopez's range from 3 (Goga shot over 40% on threes shooting mostly above the break!).

So my point is, I've now adopted him as my draft crush from this class.
   4244. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 20, 2019 at 01:45 PM (#5854096)
Not the max, but I think Brogdon and Beverley will get pretty significant payouts, as will Lopez, Russell, Randle, and Green.
   4245. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 20, 2019 at 01:46 PM (#5854097)
So my point is, I've now adopted him as my draft crush from this class.

Also, "Goga" is an excellent name.
   4246. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:05 PM (#5854119)
Not the max, but I think Brogdon and Beverley will get pretty significant payouts, as will Lopez, Russell, Randle, and Green.


Yep. Lots of money out there this offseason.
   4247. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:06 PM (#5854122)
The Knicks are going to do something very very stupid tonight. I feel it in my bones.
   4248. aberg Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:09 PM (#5854123)
What I have read and watched on Bitadze reminds me a lot of Nurkic. Similar shooting mechanics, even.
   4249. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:13 PM (#5854127)
Not the max, but I think Brogdon and Beverley will get pretty significant payouts, as will Lopez, Russell, Randle, and Green.


Whatever Lopez gets, wonder how many guys have actually went from making $20M a year, then took a 1-year $3M or something deal, then went back up past $10M. Or any sort of roller-coaster salary history of up-down-up-again. Usually once you drop you drop.
   4250. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:16 PM (#5854128)
It’s a good question. Not that Lopez ever should have been nearly that cheap last year - he’s always solid.
   4251. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:16 PM (#5854129)
I don't think the Knicks are in position to do anything stupid, right? If they draft Barrett that's fine. If they draft someone else, well, I'm not really high on Barrett anyway. If they trade the pick, that also seems fine. Maybe if something weird happens and they pass on Morant that'd be dumb, I guess, but I don't really see it.

I guess if they packaged an unprotected pick to trade up from 3 to 2 and then didn't select Morant that'd be really stupid?
   4252. aberg Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:19 PM (#5854131)
Who gets a bigger deal, Beverley or Collison?
   4253. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:21 PM (#5854133)
Would be people be interested in doing a free agency contract size prediction contest this offseason?
   4254. jmurph Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:29 PM (#5854143)
Who gets a bigger deal, Beverley or Collison?

It better be Beverley. I would not want to give Collison anything like starter money at this point.
   4255. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:46 PM (#5854150)
Yeah, I'm pretty nervous about Brogdon since there doesn't seem to be a great outcome for the Bucks-- either they lose him or they overpay him.
   4256. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:47 PM (#5854151)
Beverley. I think Collison may end up with the Lakers after Rubio and Beverley get money they can't fit.
   4257. aberg Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:49 PM (#5854152)
Yeah, I'm pretty nervous about Brogdon since there doesn't seem to be a great outcome for the Bucks-- either they lose him or they overpay him.


Regarding Brogdon and several of the Bucks' FAs, I think it makes sense to bring them back, even if they're a little more expensive than they're actually worth. Unless Brogdon, Middleton, or Lopez all regress badly next year, any of them would be tradeable. The Bucks have a chance to have the best roster in the league. They'll be clear favorites in the east if Kawhi and one of the Philly guys leave. Even if it's only for a year, it makes competitive sense to pay more right now.
   4258. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:50 PM (#5854153)
either they lose him or they overpay him.


Wouldn't sweat the second one that much if I were a Milwaukee fan. Running it back and keeping Antetokounmpo happy is worth some overpay action, esp if Leonard and/or Butler leave for LA, and Irving leaves Boston. As spivey noted, Milwaukee may well start play next year as title favorites.
   4259. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:51 PM (#5854154)
cross-posted with berg.
   4260. udonis weakly 57i66135 zaza Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:52 PM (#5854155)
Who gets a bigger deal, Beverley or Collison?
considering LAC's cap situation, they should probably write beverley a blank check, but postdate it to august 31st.

because beverley's cap hit is only 10MM, LAC can:

package robinson and a future pick to dump gallinari
sign kawhi to a max
sign horford to a max
sign beverley (with bird rights) for 4/90
sign ed davis with their cap space exception

go into next year with:
starters:
beverley - SGA - kawhi - horford - montrezl

bench:
lou, shamet, mcgruder, davis
   4261. aberg Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:58 PM (#5854159)
Collison may end up with the Lakers


I've been thinking the same. He's a dependably non-terrible NBA PG who can survive in lineups where he doesn't have the ball all the time. There's probably enough money to sign him and two other passable wings in the group of Ross, Rivers, Temple, Shumpert, Lamb, Hood, Ellington, Curry, RHJ.

go into next year with:
starters:
beverley - SGA - kawhi - horford - montrezl

bench:
lou, shamet, mcgruder, davis


This is a really good team.
   4262. RJ in TO Posted: June 20, 2019 at 02:59 PM (#5854160)
   4263. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 20, 2019 at 03:01 PM (#5854161)
Yes, plus Collison was born in SoCal and went to UCLA, and he is 31. One would think the Lakers' current situation would appeal to him, if the money were decent. And Indiana is supposedly prioritizing Rubio.
   4264. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: June 20, 2019 at 03:03 PM (#5854163)
aberg, rr, I completely agree, I think it's worth it to overpay for Khris, Malcolm and Brook, and I think they probably will. Just running back the same team with everyone getting paid a lot more is unsettling though.
   4265. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 20, 2019 at 03:13 PM (#5854166)
4262-

There are testy debates in the Lakers Blogosphere as I type about whether Pelinka is an idiot, Pelinka was careless, there is stuff we don't know, etc. I learned of this guy's existence today:

Marshall Rader

Salary Cap & CBA Analyst at Los Angeles Lakers

El Segundo, California


________

Before he had this job, he worked for the Spurs, the Pacers, and the NBPA, and he has a law degree from Tulane. Rader has a LinkedIn page if anyone actually cares.

So we will see what happens. I am not going to trash Pelinka until I see how the next couple of weeks play out.




   4266. jmurph Posted: June 20, 2019 at 03:14 PM (#5854167)
sign beverley (with bird rights) for 4/90

Marcus Smart got 4 years/$52 million last year. Different FA environment, RFA vs FA, I get it, but this seems like it would be too much.
   4267. aberg Posted: June 20, 2019 at 03:27 PM (#5854175)
Just running back the same team with everyone getting paid a lot more is unsettling though.


Such is the experience of cheering for a good team. That's what I've heard anyway.
   4268. aberg Posted: June 20, 2019 at 03:28 PM (#5854176)
Marshall Rader


A Marshall is a law enforcement officer. A Rader is a scofflaw. In conclusion, Marhsall Rader is a man of contradictions.
   4269. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 20, 2019 at 03:32 PM (#5854181)
In conclusion, Marshall Rader is a man of contradictions.


Indeed:

Marshall Rader has the killer crossover to be a Fun Guy, but scouts say robotic laughter could be an issue

   4270. spivey Posted: June 20, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5854182)
Maybe I’m crazy but I may want to bring George Hill back or give the Snell money to Seth Curry than resign BroLo. I love Lopez, the center market is competitive though and he can’t play big playoff minutes. I’m not sure I see him as being worth more than like 2/12 or 2/14.

Brogdon can score at multiple levels and you need guys like that in the playoffs.
   4271. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 20, 2019 at 03:36 PM (#5854185)
The Wizards entered the draft in an unenviable position, holding the 9th pick in a draft that tails off badly before then and no second rounder. Ernie Grunfeld actually traded away all of the team’s 2nd round picks through 2023 with no protections, in addition to dealing several of the team’s recent first round picks with little to show for it in terms of playoff success or players under contract. The Wizards are also saddled with the league’s worst contract eating up much of the cap for the foreseeable future. Yet there’s some reason for optimism, as Grunfeld is out as GM and I have taken over as acting GM for the draft.

My first order of business was trading down for some additional picks in an effort to restock the roster. I identified the 20-40 range of this draft as the likely sweet spot in terms of value and acted accordingly. While I hoped to get a mid-1st rounder and a late 1st rounder in exchange for #9, I found a tepid trade market — perhaps due to the perceived flatness of the draft, perhaps also due to the fact that most other GMs weren’t around and some hadn’t even been identified when the #9 pick came up. In any event, I ended up trading down twice and ultimately securing picks #24, 32, and 35.

My primary draft targets were Grant Williams, Nic Claxton, Carsen Edwards, and Matisse Thybulle, probably in that order. I was hoping to land two of them. Williams went off the board early here (15), but I still had my pick of Claxton, Edwards, and Thybulle at 24. I chose Claxton.

In my view, Nic Claxton is the most interesting player in the draft not named Zion. He’s 7 feet tall, but he moves like a small forward and largely functioned as a point center for Georgia. Though he wasn’t a particularly efficient scorer, he flashed offensive skills that are exceedingly rare for a big man at any age, let alone a teenager. He got many of his points off of dribble drives, sometimes operating as the pick & roll ballhandler, while posting nearly a 1:1 AST/TO ratio and knocking down the occasional 3.

Even if Claxton’s shot creation skills prove more tantalizing than functional at the NBA level, and he ends up as a low-usage dive man, he still has a high ceiling based on his defensive potential. He has a 9’2” standing reach and 36.5” vertical, which allowed him to lead the SEC in blocks this year. But more than that, he moves his feet so well that he stands to be one of the most switchable defenders in the league, enabling him to retain his on-court value in situations where most other 7-footers would be relegated to the bench.

When drafting a big man, I think you have to go for potential over projection. The replacement level is simply too high to care about snagging a competent backup. Those guys are available for the minimum. I think Claxton has the highest ceiling of any big man in this draft (small-ball C Zion excluded), even though his role is more of a question mark than most of the others.

At #32, I was disappointed to find that I just missed out on Carsen Edwards. I think his range could be a difference-maker, bending the court in a way that only a few players can. But I pivoted toward my general preference for versatile, switchable players, landing Talen Horton-Tucker. THT is a 6’4” combo guard offensively with a 7’1” wingspan and 8’7” standing reach more commensurate with a forward. He also weighs 235 pounds, or nearly 20 pounds more than the nominal center I drafted.

THT is the youngest player in the draft and one of its biggest projects, given his poor shot selection and shaky jumper. Luckily for him and me, the Wizards have no aspirations of contention this year. He can work on honing his shooting form and decision-making in a low-pressure environment where immediate results aren’t prioritized.

The public analytical models are very high on THT due to his broad-based production at such a young age. He’s a high-usage guard who finishes well around the rim and piles up rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. Given time, he could end up being a better version of Bonzi Wells. Or he could wash out of the league entirely by the end of his rookie contract.

At #35, I continued the trend of drafting switchable defenders, i.e. long, strong wings or mobile bigs, by selecting DaQuan Jeffries. He’s a sturdy 6’5” wing who played combo forward at Tulsa. Unlike my first two picks, he’s a polished veteran whose strengths include shooting efficiency and decision-making. Of his 404 points this year, Jeffries scored 372 (92.1%) from three spots: the 3-point line (135), the free throw line (83), and at the rim (154) – the 3 most efficient scoring locations. He’ll likely be a low-usage guy who scores on spot-ups and cuts, but I still see some untapped potential given his explosive leaping ability and consistent offensive growth at the college level.

I’ve written more detailed scouting reports (including video) on Claxton and Jeffries, along with write-ups of Carsen Edwards, Grant Williams, and Thybulle, that you can check out here if you’re so inclined.
   4272. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 20, 2019 at 03:40 PM (#5854187)
DLGM has his own blog. Cool.
   4273. jmurph Posted: June 20, 2019 at 03:49 PM (#5854196)
Yikes:
Ian Begley @IanBegley
During a talk with one team about a potential Frank Ntilikina trade, the Knicks asked for a second-round pick in the deal, per sources
   4274. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 20, 2019 at 04:04 PM (#5854207)
Space Jam 2 cast:

Anthony Davis
Damian Lillard
Chris Paul
Klay Thompson
Diana Taurasi
Nneka Ogwumike
   4275. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 20, 2019 at 04:17 PM (#5854216)
I knew it. LeBron is trying to circumvent the salary cap to get Diana Taurasi to the Lakers.
   4276. Booey Posted: June 20, 2019 at 04:21 PM (#5854219)
Space Jam 2 cast:


Not that there were any Oscar worthy performances in the original, but...

Anthony Davis


Pretty bad actor in the commercials that I've seen.

Damian Lillard


Ditto. In those old Meet The Hoopers commercials, I didn't believe for a second that he was actually an infant!

Chris Paul


Does okay in the State Farm commercials, I guess. They'll be missing a golden opportunity if his Monstar avatar doesn't punch someone in the nuts.

Klay Thompson


Probably fine.

Diana Taurasi


Don't know.

Nneka Ogwumike


No idea who this is.

Also I assume the cast still includes LeBron, who's surprisingly competent as an actor (better than MJ).
   4277. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 20, 2019 at 04:26 PM (#5854220)
Yes, James is the star in the Jordan role. Best jock acting I recall seeing was Peyton Manning several years back on SNL. Supposedly he actually ad-libbed a bit, and successfully. I have seen 2-3 sketches with Manning on YouTube and he was very good. James was OK in SNL sketches I have seen on-line. Have not seen Brady, Jeter, Barkley, or Jordan.
   4278. jmurph Posted: June 20, 2019 at 04:29 PM (#5854221)
Jeter was surprisingly okay! The others weren't great.

Agree that LeBron will likely be fine. I'm not not going to see Space Jam 2, is what I'm saying.
   4279. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 20, 2019 at 04:30 PM (#5854222)
Nneka Ogwumike


Plays for the LA Sparks. Good friend of mine's 12-year-old daughter loves her, so daughter will be stoked Ogwumike is in the movie.
   4280. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 20, 2019 at 04:33 PM (#5854224)
I'm not not going to see Space Jam 2, is what I'm saying


Irving would have been in it, but he couldn't buy into it after seeing the storyboards showing visuals of the earth being round. I will be here all week.
   4281. Do Not Touch Fancy Pants Socially Distanced Handle Posted: June 20, 2019 at 04:39 PM (#5854226)
Good friend of mine's 12-year-old daughter loves her, so daughter will be stoked Ogwumike is in the movie.

Everybody wants to be like Ogwumike.
   4282. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: June 20, 2019 at 04:52 PM (#5854234)
I'm not not going to see Space Jam 2, is what I'm saying
I haven't seen the first Space Jam. Jordan off the court irritates me. I dunno what to tell you.

I don’t know if it would work / make sense here, but I’d be willing to be a third team in the Anthony Davis deal, taking on Jemerrio Jones in exchange for the rights to, I dunno, Alain Digbeu. This would clear a tiny bit of more cap room for them to get a third star.
I want to do something, anything, here, but for the life of me, I can't make heads or tails of what's possible with the Lakers at this point.
   4283. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: June 20, 2019 at 04:56 PM (#5854235)
So as to not hold things up, I'll give 2 options for my picks as I'm on deck and don't know if I'll be around much the next couple of hours. I'll take either LUGUENTZ DORT, Guard, Arizona State or KZ OKPALA, Forward, Stanford. I will not deny that one of the main selling points for both are their awesome names. I think the gist of what I'm looking for at this spot is obvious though.

Also, if someone wants to take a flier on Kris Dunn, I won't stop you.
   4284. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 20, 2019 at 04:59 PM (#5854236)
Moses, Okpala has already been taken. Can I interest you in a Jordan Bell instead?

Also, stevegamer is on the clock.
   4285. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: June 20, 2019 at 05:11 PM (#5854242)
Damn typo got me. I protest and claim sardonic's pick should be voided. Regardless, he was my second option, so I might still be in the clear...
   4286. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: June 20, 2019 at 05:11 PM (#5854243)
Ha
   4287. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: June 20, 2019 at 05:20 PM (#5854248)
Nneka Ogwumike

Interesting fact. She has been an All-Star every year she's played in the WNBA. The one year she was not an All-Star, she was First Team All WNBA and MVP. Reminds me of that Chipper Jones MVP year factoid.
   4288. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: June 20, 2019 at 05:23 PM (#5854251)
I haven't seen the first Space Jam

My parents had illegal cable when I was younger and the weekend this debuted on PPV I watched every broadcast they had on that Saturday despite the fact that I hate(d) Michael Jordan.
   4289. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: June 20, 2019 at 05:43 PM (#5854258)
Let the scooping games begin:

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania 15m15 minutes ago

Top three picks in 2019 NBA draft are set, per sources:
1. Zion Williamson, Pelicans
2. Ja Morant, Grizzlies
3. RJ Barrett, Knicks

Pelicans hold cards at No. 4.


This is really funny, if you know the reference.

---

Suns giving TJ Warren/pick to Indy:

Adrian Wojnarowski

Suns will send the No. 32 pick to Pacers too, source tells ESPN. Pacers are taking Warren into salary cap space.
   4290. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 20, 2019 at 05:57 PM (#5854263)
Unpopular? opinion: TJ Warren is not a good NBA player and should require the attachment of an asset to make it worth the Pacers’ while.
   4291. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 20, 2019 at 06:05 PM (#5854265)
Wojbomb:
“Atlanta has acquired New Orleans No. 4 pick in the draft for No. 8 and 17 and 35, league sources tell ESPN. Pelicans are sending Solomon Hill, No. 57 pick and a future second-round pick. Atlanta is also sending a Cleveland heavily protected first-round pick in 2020 to the Pelicans, league sources tell ESPN.”

Edit: Rumored to want Hunter (yuck)
   4292. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 20, 2019 at 06:22 PM (#5854271)
Woj: “Minnesota has traded No. 11 and Dario Saric to Phoenix for the No. 6 pick in the draft, league source tells ESPN.”
   4293. sardonic Posted: June 20, 2019 at 06:25 PM (#5854272)
Wow, they must be planning on making a splash in FA or on the trade market if moving Solomon Hill's $12M was more important to them than potentially getting #10.

Obviously taking things in a totally different direction than I did. If they make some of the right moves they could get good pretty fast, they have pretty much no real bad money at this point.

I wonder if the plan is to start getting good this year, then target someone like Bradley Beal over the next couple years whether in trade as he's going into his last year or even as an outright FA. They can get to have max cap space assuming they renounce Stanley Johnson (obvious) and Randle doesn't come back and they renounce some other lower level players.
   4294. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 20, 2019 at 06:26 PM (#5854273)
Supposedly ATL didn’t want to give #10 up.

I thought Saric was better than he is.
   4295. JC in DC Posted: June 20, 2019 at 06:33 PM (#5854274)
Atlanta is doing some interesting things.
   4296. Moses Taylor, glorified meat shield Posted: June 20, 2019 at 06:43 PM (#5854279)
Stein says Garland is Cavs guy, Woj says they're shopping the pick. Not sure who MIN is after.
   4297. udonis weakly 57i66135 zaza Posted: June 20, 2019 at 06:45 PM (#5854281)
Unpopular? opinion: TJ Warren is not a good NBA player and should require the attachment of an asset to make it worth the Pacers’ while.
meh;

warren is (slightly) above average in usage and efficiency, (slihgtly) below average on defense and terrible at rebounding, a non-entity as a playmaker, but he also doesn't turn the ball over.

he's benignly mediocre.
I thought Saric was better than he is.
he's better than he was. he started last year slowly with the sixers, then before he could get his feet under him in philly, he was sent to north dakota's new jersey.

his efficiency was solid, and he still shot 38% from beyond the arc. he just needs to go somewhere that he can spread his wings and get his usage rate up to about 25%.
   4298. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 20, 2019 at 06:45 PM (#5854282)
Who is Atlanta after?
   4299. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 20, 2019 at 06:46 PM (#5854283)
I get wanting Hunter (supposedly he’ll go 4, Garland 5) - in theory he’s a good fit. I just don’t think he’s that special and would rather have depth this year. On the bright side, they don’t have bad contracts that go beyond this season.

I think Warren is a bad defender. He’s a 9th man.
   4300. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 20, 2019 at 06:46 PM (#5854284)
I actually thought Saric was basically a perfect fit next to Towns, but I will defer to Rosas.
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