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Tuesday, April 16, 2019

OT - NBA thread (Playoffs through off-season)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, and this one only cares about the NBA thread and the Cubs so I have no idea what the rest of the website cares about.

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 16, 2019 at 02:18 PM | 6831 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   4401. Red Voodooin Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:06 PM (#5854497)
damn. i wouldn't have thought bol would fall all the way out of the first round.
   4402. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:08 PM (#5854500)
my read on the sixers' hemorrhaging value is that they plan on bringing everyone back.

if you figure that they bring back butler, harris, redick, scott, boban, mcconnell, plus whatever veterans they can get for the minimum, then they won't have the roster space to carry 2/3/4+ rookies next year.

that would also explain why they were willing to give up a high 2nd round pick to move up 4 spots when they took thybulle.


right now, the sixers have zhaire smith, shake milton, matisse thybulle and jonah bolden at the bottom of their roster, which at the very least gives them a ton of defensive versatility.


fun fact:
that #31 overall pick (nic claxton) was acquired by BRK, along with the expiring contracts of jahlil okafor and nik stauskas, for trevor booker, who was waived by the sixers 10 weeks later.
   4403. JC in DC Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:10 PM (#5854501)
Bol kinda sucks.

There's some interesting talent left.
   4404. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:11 PM (#5854503)
Bol kinda sucks.

There's some interesting talent left.
he's huge.
he's fun.
that's enough.
   4405. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:12 PM (#5854504)
Kyle Neubeck @KyleNeubeck
I think the goat that #### in Ryan McDonough's office is running Phoenix's draft
   4406. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:15 PM (#5854505)
with the sixers on the clock, my wishlist:
1: bol bol
2: bol bol bol bol
3: bol? bol. bol bol!
5: isaiah roby
7: jalen mcdaniels
8: jordan bone
9: sagaba konate
10: ethan happ/jaylen hands/jordan harper/tremont waters/anfernee mclemore/
   4407. Tin Angel Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:16 PM (#5854506)
Anyone else here think Bol Bol would be a good fit on the Sixers?
   4408. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:16 PM (#5854507)
@jonjohnsonwip
....and BOS gets Carsen Edwards at #33

@ShamsCharania
Sources: Philadelphia traded No. 34 to Atlanta for two future second-rounders and No. 57.

oh, FFS with this.
   4409. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:17 PM (#5854508)
Atlanta sold 2 second rounders earlier today. What are they doing.
   4410. Red Voodooin Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:18 PM (#5854509)
he's huge.
he's fun.
that's enough.


Yeah. It's also shitty that he gets to be the guy in the green room that doesn't go first round.
   4411. JC in DC Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:19 PM (#5854512)
He's more fun than Bruno Fernando, that's for sure.
   4412. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:19 PM (#5854513)
because i'm an insane person, i'll say this:

firstly, that's not terrible value.

secondly, there are some sneaky good players who will be available in the 50s this year, so i hope the sixers actually use the two ####### picks they have there.

thirdly: FFS, just ####### draft michael porter and bol ####### bol when i tell you to do it.
   4413. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:20 PM (#5854514)
Atlanta sold 2 second rounders earlier today. What are they doing.

Right. I said it was weird at the time.
   4414. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:23 PM (#5854515)
reece davis: the hawks take didi louzada. mike schmitz, what are the hawks getting?

jay bilas (drunkenly): three people who have never been in my kitchen.

mike schmitz: he's kind of like the brazilian bruno caboclo.

   4415. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:23 PM (#5854516)
Yeah, Moses, but it was a different kind of weird than this.
   4416. RJ in TO Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:24 PM (#5854517)
Are the medicals on Bol Bol horrific? Like, did he actually not just break but lose a foot?
   4417. smileyy Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:25 PM (#5854518)
I was about to ask if Bol was going to have his foot amputated?
   4418. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:25 PM (#5854519)
CHO takes luke maye
   4419. smileyy Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:26 PM (#5854522)
Also I'm happy that I can (probably) just take the Kings actual picks instead of figuring it out on my own.
   4420. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:26 PM (#5854523)
I was about to ask if Bol was going to have his foot amputated?
too soon.
   4421. aberg Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:28 PM (#5854524)
@aberg would you have done this deal in our draft? Not even sure I would have while drafting for PHO. I don't know that I love it for either team, but it's probably worse for MIN in BTF Draft as Culver would have been gone before #6.


I don't know. Probably not. If I knew I could get Garland or Culver (btw I really like Culver; I was my 3rd favorite prospect just based on watching CBB before the draft process started), I might do it. They might have figured that out given ATL trading up to 4. They probably also have a better idea of what Saric is and how he will fit with what they want to do. I didn't see enough of him after the trade to form a firm opinion. I like the skills but he didn't play well. Was that fit? Coaching? Skill? Hopefully they judged that part correctly.
   4422. Red Voodooin Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:31 PM (#5854526)
for the love of god, somebody pick bol bol!
   4423. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:32 PM (#5854529)
for the love of god, somebody pick bol bol!
don't worry: GSW is coming up at #41.
   4424. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:33 PM (#5854530)
I kind of like what the Nets did. Trade #17 for cap room, trade #27 for a future first, pick Nic Claxton. Assuming Kyrie is coming, that feels like a pretty solid plan.
   4425. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:33 PM (#5854531)
I kind of like what the Nets did. Trade #17 for cap room, trade #27 for a future first, pick Nic Claxton. Assuming Kyrie is coming, that feels like a pretty solid plan.
they are extremely well run.
   4426. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:35 PM (#5854532)
GS is trading for Smailagic, who they had as a draft eligible G league player.
   4427. aberg Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:36 PM (#5854533)
I love when the draft writers script the show specifically to maximize the 57i66135 craziness.
   4428. aberg Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:37 PM (#5854534)
Smailagic


Who appears to be a balding 18 year-old.
   4429. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:38 PM (#5854536)
2616. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: June 26, 2015 at 01:10 AM (#4986503)
this is ridiculous, but my opinion of the sixers' night basically comes down to being disappointed that they took richaun holmes instead of andrew harrison. what the #### is wrong with me.

and again, i actually like holmes. he kind of reminds me of marreese speights in terms of his physical profile and skillset (though hopefully he doesn't share the same childlike sense of wonderment), so i guess that makes him like a mike scott.

anyway, i'd have also preferred shawn dawson instead of tokoto, but that's really getting into degenerate territory.


i'm gonna walk away now.

2617. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: June 26, 2015 at 01:13 AM (#4986504)
anyway, i'd have also preferred shawn dawson instead of tokoto, but that's really getting into degenerate territory.
and the fact that i'm excited about this:
Jake Fischer ‏@JakeLFischer 5m5 minutes ago
Per multiple league sources, Sixers selecting J.P. Tokoto at No. 58 was contingent on agreeing to be stashed in the D-League or overseas.
puts me in full blown degenerate territory.
   4430. Oriole Tragic didn't have the teams Lebron had Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:38 PM (#5854537)
a draft eligible G league player
Interesting? How does a player get into the G-League, but keep draft eligibility?

I thought G-Lg was for either undrafted players or for stashing 2nd-rounders or something.
   4431. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:42 PM (#5854538)
2709. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: June 26, 2015 at 11:38 PM (#4987304)
I kinda agree with this. Porzingis is a project, but he's not a bad pick.
the knicks were probably the worst place for him to go. combine the media attention, nightlife, poor teammates, a novice as head coach and clownshoes front office and it's easy to see how his development could go sideways.
   4432. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:42 PM (#5854539)
[4430] Here's an article about the Smailagic chicanery (you can be in the G-League a year younger than you can be drafted).
   4433. aberg Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:46 PM (#5854540)
THE WOLVES DID SOMETHING I LIKE!
   4434. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:54 PM (#5854544)
reconnoitering the rims:
2707. theboyqueen Posted: June 26, 2015 at 11:26 PM (#4987297)
I really believe Kaminsky is a better version of whatever Porzingis is supposed to be. Charlotte just seems like such a poor fit we may never see it.

2715. tshipman Posted: June 27, 2015 at 12:16 AM (#4987329)
No offense, but I think just about every part of this is wrong.
2716. theboyqueen Posted: June 27, 2015 at 12:27 AM (#4987333)
Draft Express Alexis Ajinca (I'm assuming "undersized" is a typo -- he's the exact size as Porzingis):
2717. theboyqueen Posted: June 27, 2015 at 12:36 AM (#4987334)
Ajinca's DX video in case anyone is interested. They look like very similar players to me (Ajinca has a much more mature body obviously).
2725. rr Posted: June 27, 2015 at 02:23 AM (#4987355)
Orlando may let Tobias Harris walk, now that they have Mario Hezonja.
2727. PASTE, Now with Extra Pitch and Extra Stamina Posted: June 27, 2015 at 09:24 AM (#4987389)
I can't imagine how living and working with Chris Paul every day could wear a person out.

2732. The District Attorney Posted: June 27, 2015 at 03:28 PM (#4987621)
(One thing I do still wonder, however -- even if we were to limit the field to Euros who were potentially best available at #4 -- is why not Hezonja instead. It's much easier for me to envision what Hezonja would be doing as a star NBA player than what Porzingis would be doing. The only route I can see to stardom for Porzingis to is to become Dirk Nowitzki -- shoot the lights out and contribute some weak-side blocks. It doesn't seem plausible that he's going to pass, rebound, protect the rim, or play man defense. So, Porzingis has to become this very specific and hyper-skilled thing, while Hezonja has to become better within the typical shooting guard skill set he has. Even putting aside "fit"/"timeline" entirely, I have trouble believing Porzingis was the best player available.)

2737. It's TFTIO's Monster, Actually Posted: June 27, 2015 at 08:02 PM (#4987732)
I'm just glad Flip didn't screw the whole thing up.
2752. Norcan Posted: June 28, 2015 at 02:41 PM (#4987988)
I think I'm a bigger fan of the Celtics' last pick in the draft, Marcus Thornton, than their first pick, Terry Rozier. Thornton is actually an inch taller, pretty lengthy himself, also an undersized 2-guard rather than a point guard, also tested out as a great athlete but he can actually shoot from three. I guess neither profiles as a starter and in that case, I would prefer the shorter guard with shooting range off the bench. Despite being a senior compared to a sophomore like Rozier, he's also only one year older because Rozier spent a year in prep school after high school.
2772. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 29, 2015 at 01:39 PM (#4988443)
This is getting interesting:
Lastly, Chicago forward Jimmy Butler hopes to take his talents elsewhere and take advantage of the new television deal after his career year coincided with Tom Thibodeau’s firing and Derrick Rose’s chemistry issues. Although Butler wants to sign a one-year deal with the Lakers, according to a league source familiar with his thinking, the Bulls are expected to match any offer for the restricted free agent.
   4435. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:57 PM (#5854549)
In other news, I guess the Marvin Bagley / Dame Lillard feud (?!?) exploded today?
   4436. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:03 AM (#5854552)
@ShamsCharania
Denver is acquiring Bol Bol from Miami, league sources say.


confession:
i am a nugget.
   4437. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:08 AM (#5854555)
with the sixers coming up again, my wishlist:
1: jalen mcdaniels
2: jordan bone
3: sagaba konate
4: ethan happ/jaylen hands/jordan harper/tremont waters/anfernee mclemore
   4438. aberg Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:13 AM (#5854556)
Hopes for Owen Hart clip.

Gets Owen Hart clip.
   4439. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:16 AM (#5854559)
1937. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: June 27, 2018 at 10:28 AM (#5700476)
i had a dream last night that markelle fultz pulled up from 3/4 court and nailed a 3Per, with perfect form, then floated into the rafters and snogged reggie evans.


robitussin's a hell of a drug.
   4440. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:30 AM (#5854562)
BONE BONE BONE BONE BONE!!!!!!!!!!!

   4441. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:45 AM (#5854565)
Hopes for Owen Hart clip.

Gets Owen Hart clip.

you're welcome.

anyway that wasn't entirely a joke:
4406. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: June 20, 2019 at 11:15 PM (#5854505)
with the sixers on the clock, my wishlist:
1: bol bol
2: bol bol bol bol
3: bol? bol. bol bol!
the nuggets took bol.
1154. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: June 18, 2018 at 03:29 PM (#5694577)
at #39, the sixers take jarred vanderbilt, F, kentucky
the nuggets took vanderbilt
1525. shout-out to 57i66135; that ####'s working now Posted: June 21, 2018 at 08:29 PM (#5697388)
option A: porter
option B: porter
option C: porter
option D: trade down to 12, take porter or SGA or bridges.
the nuggets took porter.
grant: not a huge fan, but eh. i would have rather packaged 39 and 47 to try to get back into the first round and steal kyle anderson. i'd have also rather taken jokic.
the nuggets took jokic.
monte morris: this guy is gonna be in the league for a decade and some playoff team is gonna steal him at the back of the first round (looking at you san antonio). his passing is second only to lonzo ball in this draft, his BBIQ is off the charts and he should have enough size, quickness, handle and shooting to make full use of his talent in the NBA. i don't mind that he's a negative defender and while i'd prefer him to be more prolific as a 3P shooter, that's a minor quibble. he plays college defenses like a violin. he's really good.
monte morris's tape is basketball pornography. he needs to get better at shooting the 3 and he needs to hit the weight room, but the way he manipulated opposing defenders is stockton-esque and that's unteachable.
the nuggets took morris.
   4442. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:49 AM (#5854566)
@DerekBodnerNBA
Thybulle didn't work out for any teams leading up to draft. Asked why, he says he canceled his workouts because of the Sixers' interest. "Philly showed interest early and we just trusted them and decided that we were going to put our faith in them and kind of shut things down."


otoh, jesus tittyfucking chryst:
@PompeyOnSixers
The #Sixers will receive $2 million and the Miami Heat 2024 second-round pick from Detroit in the exchange from Jordan Bone, according to a league source.



   4443. stevegamer Posted: June 21, 2019 at 01:04 AM (#5854569)
Sorry everyone about the delay. I had no internet for most of today.

Dallas needs a lot of things, and with this being their only pick, might as well take a shot at a big man, since they really are thin there.

With the 37th pick, Dallas takes Jontay Porter

Chicago is now up, Moses.
   4444. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 21, 2019 at 01:10 AM (#5854570)
Moses sent in his pick a couple pages ago, so Willard Baseball (Memphis) is on the clock. smileyy (Sacramento) is on deck.

1. New Orleans – sardonic - Zion Williamson, F, Duke
2. Memphis – Willard Baseball - Ja Morant, G, Murray State
3. New York – JC and NJ - RJ Barrett, F, Duke
4. New Orleans (from LAL) - sardonic - Jarrett Culver, G Texas Tech
5. Cleveland - Harlond - DeAndre Hunter, F, UVA
6. Phoenix – Oriole Tragic - Coby White, PG, UNC
7. Chicago - Moses - Darius Garland, G, Vanderbilt
8. Atlanta - Der-K - Cam Reddish, F, Duke
9. Indiana – JJ - Brandon Clarke, F/C, Gonzaga
10. Atlanta - Der-K - Bol Bol, C, Oregon
11. Minnesota - aberg - Nickeil Alexander-Walker, G, Virginia Tech
12. Charlotte - Fridas Boss - Sekou Doumbouya, F, Limoges CSP
13. Miami – Mouse – Jaxson Hayes, C, Texas
14. Boston – The Mighty Quintana - Romeo Langford, G, Indiana
15. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless - Grant Williams, F, UT
16. New Orleans (from ORL) – sardonic - Goga Bitadze, C, Mega Bemax
17. New Orleans (from ATL via WAS) - sardonic - Rui Hachimura, F, Gonzaga
18. Atlanta (from IND) – Der-K - Nassir Little, F, UNC
19. San Antonio – Quaker - P.J. Washington, F, Kentucky
20. Boston – The Mighty Quintana - Chuma Okeke, F/G, Auburn
21. Oklahoma City – Thok - Cameron Johnson, F, UNC
22. Boston – The Mighty Quintana - Dylan Windler, F, Belmont
23. Memphis (from UTA) – Willard Baseball - Tyler Herro, G, Kentucky
24. Washington (from PHI via WAS) – Dandy Little Glove Man - Nic Claxton, F/C, Georgia
25. Atlanta – Der-K - Matisse Thybulle, G, Washington
26. Cleveland - Harlond - Kevin Porter Jr., G, USC
27. Brooklyn – mike f – Keldon Johnson, G/F, Kentucky
28. Golden State – sardonic - KZ Okapla, F, Stanford
29. San Antonio – Quaker - Luka Šamanić, PF, Košarkarski klub Olimpija Ljubljana
30. Milwaukee – Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw – Carsen Edwards, G, Purdue

31. Brooklyn – mike f – Bruno Fernando, C, Maryland
32. Washington (from PHO via NOP) – Dandy Little Glove Man - Talen Horton-Tucker, G/F, Iowa State
33. Philadelphia- 57i66135 - Isaiah Roby, F, Nebraska
34. Philadelphia- 57i66135 - Darius Bazley, F
35. Washington (from ATL) - Dandy Little Glove Man - DaQuan Jeffries, F/G, Tulsa
36. Charlotte - Fridas Boss - Ty Jerome, PG, UVA
37. Dallas - stevegamer - Jontay Porter, F, Missouri
38. Chicago - Moses - Luguentz Dort, G, Arizona State
39. Memphis (from NOP via PHO)– Willard Baseball - On the Clock
40. Sacramento - smileyy
41. Atlanta - Der-K
42. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic
43. Minnesota - aberg
44. Indiana (from ATL) - JJ1986
45. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless
46. Orlando – Athletic Supporter
47. Sacramento - smileyy
48. LA Clippers
49. San Antonio – Quaker
50. Indiana – JJ1986
51. Boston – The Mighty Quintana
52. Charlotte - Fridas Boss
53. Utah - Booey/Cervo
54. Philadelphia- 57i66135
55. New York – JC and NJ
56. LA Clippers
57. New Orleans – sardonic
58. Golden State - sardonic
59. Toronto
60. Sacramento - smileyy

Transactions:
MEM #39, Josh Jackson, Tyler Johnson
PHO Derrick Favors

MEM #23, Derrick Favors, Tony Bradley
UTA Mike Conley

NOP #16 (from ORL), #24 (from PHI), #42 (from PHI), ORL 2021 #1 (top-10 protected, then top-4, then unprotected), Timothy Mozgov (from ORL)
ORL Jrue Holiday (from NOP), Jonathon Simmons (from PHI)
PHI Frank Jackson (from NOP), Melvin Frazier (from ORL), Evan Fournier (from ORL)

NOP #32
PHO #39, Jahlil Okafor

WAS #17, #35
ATL #9

ATL Damontis Sabonis, #18
IND #9, #44

NOP #17
WAS #24, #32

POR Omari Spellman
ATL Skal Labissiere, #25

ATL 2020 2nd (protected 31-44 or 500K in 2025), rights to Cenk Aykol
PHO Skal Labissiere

IRL:
NOP #4, Ingram, Ball, Hart, future 1sts and swaps
LAL Anthony Davis

DET #30 (Carsen Edwards), Tony Snell
MIL Jon Leuer
   4445. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 01:12 AM (#5854571)
@jonjohnsonwip
Brand said team traded second rd picks in order to have max $ for free agency.

@APgelston
76ers GM Elton Brand on the draft night trades: "It'll make sense soon."

@danfavale
"The Clippers and Raptors are certainly at the front of the line for [Kawhi Leonard]. I'm told that Leonard may very well take visits in free agency, meetings at least, with the Knicks, the 76ers, possibly even the Nets, in addition to the Clippers."

-Woj on ESPN
   4446. puck Posted: June 21, 2019 at 01:21 AM (#5854575)
I had no expectations for the Nuggets tonight. I love that they have Bol Bol!
   4447. Willard Baseball Posted: June 21, 2019 at 04:36 AM (#5854581)
Memphis selects: Daniel Gafford, C, Arkansas. Shot blocker to cover up for my backourt of Morant/Herro. Potential to catch lobs in transition/PNR, which is a strength of Ja. Just a backup center for now, but could develop into more in years 2/3.
   4448. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 09:31 AM (#5854595)
more ringer:
Johnson is a sharpshooter, but that’s about the nicest thing you can say about him. He’s already older than Devin Booker (who has already played four seasons!), will be 28 when his rookie contract ends, and wasn’t invited to the green room Thursday because he wasn’t expected to go until the late first or second round. Numerous teams reportedly took Johnson off their draft board because he’s had injuries to both of his hips. None of this sounds good! But according to Woj, Suns VP Jeff Bower has always wanted Johnson and now finally got his guy
The Phoenix Suns swapped Jarrett Culver, TJ Warren and the 32nd pick for Cam Johnson and Dario Saric

Wow
— Sam Cooper (@scooperhoops) June 21, 2019

Really gonna get to test out the "Ernie is worse than not having a GM" theory huh

— Chris Almeida (@chrisjalmeida) June 20, 2019
   4449. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 09:52 AM (#5854602)
"cam johnson is the oldest player drafted in the lottery since tyler hansbrough in 2009."
   4450. JC in DC Posted: June 21, 2019 at 10:06 AM (#5854610)
So, NY did nothing exciting last night, picking the guy everyone agreed was the guy to pick at three. I am intrigued by the second round move, and signing Wilkes is a small, nice, move. Perry and Mills are proving to be a mature seeming front office. Will it result in wins? We'll see what happens in free agency.
   4451. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 10:08 AM (#5854612)
Philadelphia 76ers: Marial Shayok, SF, Iowa State - B+ Grade
It feels like Philly has been involved in about 17 trades tonight, but this draft is also hitting the five-hour mark and my brain hurts. I've liked Shayok's versatility on the wing and how it could translate to a bench role.

Walt's Note: My dad's take on this pick: "Who the f**k is that!?"
this comment is all of us.
   4452. jmurph Posted: June 21, 2019 at 10:08 AM (#5854613)
Nick Cattles @NickCRadio
Just now on @GetUpESPN, @WindhorstESPN says he believes that the C's cleared more cap space last night so they could pursue one of the top PG's on the market.

I've seen Brogdon/Russell links, but a. as has been discussed, the Bucks will presumably match on Brogdon, and b. surely someone is going to max Russell, and I doubt the Celtics would do that.
   4453. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 21, 2019 at 10:28 AM (#5854628)
Looks like a bunch of decent non-drafted players signed; shockingly, none with the Bulls.
   4454. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 21, 2019 at 10:31 AM (#5854630)
On further review I really dislike what the Wolves did last night. The fact that the Suns were more of a dumpster fire doesn't really offer any consolation.

However, reading the post draft analysis I have hit on the most annoying take ever that I keep reading. The whole idea of taking player who match up the timeline of KAT is (IMO) utterly insane. The Wolves are in a bad spot and yes there sole bright spot is Towns, but it is not like their timeline is the next year or two for a championship window.

You can't draft trying to get players who might be good enough to convince Towns to maybe not demand a trade in a couple years (which is what they are really getting at). That is a terrible way to draft, and if (This is a big if) that is what the Wolves front office was thinking then I am very disappointed. Hopefully it is just the analysis and they have a real plan, despite the fact the team still has numerous huge holes including point guard of the future.

Coby White better not be as good as I think, because it sure seems he fits the Wolves needs way better than Culver does.
   4455. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 11:12 AM (#5854645)
"how did the celtics go from being the team of the future to the team of the past, without ever having a present."

-- mike g., espn.
Coby White better not be as good as I think, because it sure seems he fits the Wolves needs way better than Culver does.

he's not. he's fine, but his feel for the game is not nearly as developed as SGA or lonzo (this sequence is a decent example of it; he takes a tightly contested off-balance college 3, with 18 left on the shot clock. he gets the ball back after an offensive rebound, offloads it without purpose, gets it back, dribbles into a triple team, throws a bad pass to a spot up shooter (it had too much oomph, and the placement was poor), throws a tantrum in the middle of the floor, gets the ball back, pulls it out to 35', puts his head down and drives into a 50/50 charge/block situation).

he has a really bad tendency of moving away from the basket when he gets the ball. some players have a feel for finding space (especially against zone defenses like syracuse), but white doesn't. the way he creates space for himself is to take himself out of the offense and back up to 35' feet so that he has angle to get the ball.

he does have great hair, though.
   4456. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 21, 2019 at 11:16 AM (#5854647)
he's not. he's fine


I hate to cheer for negative outcomes, but I kind of hope you are right. Still the Wolves need a point guard of the future, and the future is coming fast. They better find a plan soon.
   4457. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: June 21, 2019 at 11:16 AM (#5854648)
Thoughts on Bucks trading Snell for cap space?
   4458. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 11:17 AM (#5854649)
You can't draft trying to get players who might be good enough to convince Towns to maybe not demand a trade in a couple years (which is what they are really getting at)

if his clashing with jimmy butler is any indication, KAT will either
1: stay in MIN because he doesn't care enough about basketball to leave, or
2: leave because if he doesn't care about basketball, why the hell would he choose to live in MIN during the winter.
   4459. Jtsports01 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 11:21 AM (#5854650)
Agree with everything Stiggles said about Coby White, would also say he doesn’t have a great handle. About twice a game against good defenses he would make live ball turnovers that led to layups on the other end
   4460. JC in DC Posted: June 21, 2019 at 11:24 AM (#5854651)
What makes White a lottery pick and Kyle Guy a near undrafted free agent? I ask this in all seriousness. What do separates these guys, when if you ask me in whose hands I'd prefer the outcome of a game, I'd choose Guy's?
   4461. jmurph Posted: June 21, 2019 at 11:27 AM (#5854652)
if his clashing with jimmy butler is any indication, KAT...

... is a person who exists in the NBA.
   4462. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: June 21, 2019 at 11:37 AM (#5854654)
4461--have to like the dry humor, thanks
   4463. JC in DC Posted: June 21, 2019 at 11:45 AM (#5854659)
Btw, Philly folks: I'm sitting in New deck tavern having a beer.
   4464. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 11:47 AM (#5854660)
to contrast what i said about coby white, here's what i said about SGA last year:
shai gilgeous-alexander
...
he covers ground quickly
...
doesn't have many counter-moves if he can't beat his defender with the first move.
...
i was hoping for more. i don't see great off ball awareness or great on ball ability.

the tools are there, and he may be able to contribute immediately, but he needs a lot of development.
SGA shot 47/37/80 and was able to contribute on both ends as a rookie, but his usage was a bit low and he wasn't LAC's primary ballhandler.

and trae young:
he's obviously a great shooter, but i like him more as a playmaker. hopefully he didn't pick up too many bad habits at OU because the threat of his shot is much more lethal than the shot itself.

trae's shot was inconsistent, but he was 3rd in the NBA in AST% as a rookie.

and landry shamet:
landry shamet moves a lot like lonzo ball. he's not as big, as long or as athletic, he doesn't have the same vision or instincts as a passer and his shot selection is less sabr-y, but the way he drives, the way he cuts to the basket, the way he finishes at the rim. he makes quick decisions when the ball rotates or kicks out to him. he has a great feel for spacing, which helps him as a cutter and as a spot-up shooter. he doesn't have much wiggle, but he uses his size and changes of pace to drive past defenders.
...
i wouldn't hate it if the sixers took him in the mid-20s. his cuts and spot ups are right out of their playbook and he'd be a good second ballhandler. limited potential, though. his realistic upside is an efficient 14 and 5, without killing you on defense. that's valuable, but not exactly rare.

after getting to LAC, shamet averaged 14 and 3 per 36, on 60% TS%, without ruining their defense.

and finally, allonzo trier:
i love his finishing off drives. he has enough wiggle to get a step ahead of defenders, and when he gets it, he glides to the rim in a flash. he's not as sudden as deaaron fox, but trier has the same kind of smoothness when he beats his defender off the dribble.
...
his shooting, his finishing off the dribble and his ability to draw fouls make him an intriguing option.

played 23 MPG with the knicks after going undrafted. 22% usage; 56% TS%; 39% from 3; 17 PTS and 5.5 FTAs per 36 minutes; +2 net on-off rating.
   4465. aberg Posted: June 21, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5854661)
The whole idea of taking player who match up the timeline of KAT is (IMO) utterly insane. The Wolves are in a bad spot and yes there sole bright spot is Towns, but it is not like their timeline is the next year or two for a championship window.


Still the Wolves need a point guard of the future, and the future is coming fast. They better find a plan soon.


These two sentiments seem to be in opposition to each other.

My take is that they drafted Culver because they think he's better than the rest of the guys who were on the board, including White. He was consistently rated higher by pretty much every expert evaluator throughout the pre-draft process. I also think there will be many more moves in the next 18 months. I'm not worried about the PG spot yet because there are a lot of dominoes still to fall.
   4466. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 11:55 AM (#5854664)
What makes White a lottery pick and Kyle Guy a near undrafted free agent? I ask this in all seriousness. What do separates these guys, when if you ask me in whose hands I'd prefer the outcome of a game, I'd choose Guy's?

white is 3 years younger, 3 inches taller, faster and more explosive.
he has more defensive potential, more defensive versatility, more positional versatility.
he's more likely to finish at the rim vs. NBA defenders and less likely to get swamped on the perimeter by NBA defenders.


   4467. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:01 PM (#5854670)
if his clashing with jimmy butler is any indication, KAT...
... is a person who exists in the NBA
hey, butler didn't clash at all with embiid (who btw, was drafted after andrew wiggins).

they actually
seem to get along
really well.
   4468. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:05 PM (#5854674)
These two sentiments seem to be in opposition to each other.


I don't think they do. Eventually you need a PG. IMO it is the most important position in the modern NBA. There are only a few ways you can get a quality player and given their cap situation drafting is one of the best shots.

I have no idea how they are going to get a legitimate starting PG. Unless next years goes much worse than most people think they won't be drafting super high. They won't have cap space for the near future.

I am not concerned about getting a PG just meet KAT's needs and maybe make him happy enough to stay, I am concerned about having a legitimate starting PG after next year and in the future period. And I think you have to have a PG to have a legit team.
   4469. jmurph Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:07 PM (#5854676)
hey, butler didn't clash at all with embiid

I didn't say he clashed with everyone. It's just, you know, there's a queue, is all I'm saying.
   4470. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:07 PM (#5854677)
All this is aside from the fact that I am not fond of Culver in general. However, more likely than not I am wrong about that. But I still want a PG or at least a plan to get one.
   4471. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:14 PM (#5854683)
All this is aside from the fact that I am not fond of Culver in general. However, more likely than not I am wrong about that. But I still want a PG or at least a plan to get one.
now that they drafted coby white, maybe CHI would be willing to move kris dunn or zach lavine?
   4472. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:16 PM (#5854684)
If you could merge Dunn and Lavine into a Frankenstein player they would be pretty awesome (relative to their current value certainly).
   4473. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:24 PM (#5854686)
smileyy (Kangz) is on the clock and Der-K is on deck.

Surrounding picks -- see up the page for complete rundown:

35. Washington (from ATL) - Dandy Little Glove Man - DaQuan Jeffries, F/G, Tulsa
36. Charlotte - Fridas Boss - Ty Jerome, PG, UVA
37. Dallas - stevegamer - Jontay Porter, F, Missouri
38. Chicago - Moses - Luguentz Dort, G, Arizona State
39. Memphis (from NOP via PHO)– Willard Baseball - Daniel Gafford, C, Arkansas
40. Sacramento - smileyy - On The Clock
41. Atlanta - Der-K
42. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic
43. Minnesota - aberg
44. Indiana (from ATL) - JJ1986
45. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless
   4474. sardonic Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM (#5854688)
I don't think they do. Eventually you need a PG. IMO it is the most important position in the modern NBA. There are only a few ways you can get a quality player and given their cap situation drafting is one of the best shots.

I have no idea how they are going to get a legitimate starting PG. Unless next years goes much worse than most people think they won't be drafting super high. They won't have cap space for the near future.

I am not concerned about getting a PG just meet KAT's needs and maybe make him happy enough to stay, I am concerned about having a legitimate starting PG after next year and in the future period. And I think you have to have a PG to have a legit team.


I dunno, the Raptors just won with Kyle Lowry, who was a bit of a late blooming journeyman, and FVV. The Rockets got Chris Paul after accumulating assets, the Warriors drafted Steph 7th and Portland drafted Dame, Milwaukee traded Greg Monroe, a first and a second to PHO for Eric Bledsoe.

So I guess my point is, there are ways.
   4475. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:28 PM (#5854689)
So I guess my point is, there are ways.


Sure, but these are the Wolves. :)

Anyway, hopefully I at least resolved the conflict between my statements, even if you are not as concerned as I am about the PG position.
   4476. aberg Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:37 PM (#5854692)
I should have been more specific. The tension I was reading was the timeline piece:

it is not like their timeline is the next year or two


and

the future is coming fast. They better find a plan soon.


I agree with you that they currently lack a long-term PG solution. I just think there will be more opportunities to work on that. I also don't mind rolling with Tyus for now if they can re-sign him.
   4477. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:39 PM (#5854693)
Eventually you need a PG. IMO it is the most important position in the modern NBA.

Yes and no. Pop quiz: who had a higher Assist% last year, Coby White or Jarrett Culver? If you said Coby White, you're wrong. Culver also had a lower TOV%. They're both essentially combo guards at this stage. White is a more conventional point guard given his on-ball quickness edge and smaller size, but not every successful NBA team is led by a conventional point guard. The Wolves were certainly better a couple years ago when Jimmy Butler was acting as the lead ballhandler rather than Jeff Teague. All I'm saying is that there's more than one way to build around KAT, and several of those paths don't involve spending your best assets on a traditional point guard (somewhat like what sardonic said above). If you think Culver's a better prospect than White, you should probably take Culver.
   4478. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:40 PM (#5854694)
Getting on a flight: I’m taking Monds or, if he’s gone, Konchar.
   4479. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 21, 2019 at 12:42 PM (#5854695)
Who is Monds? Is that supposed to be Shamorie Ponds?
   4480. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 21, 2019 at 01:18 PM (#5854708)
Yes, thank you, as wonderful terrific monds iii is presumably ineligible
It has been a long week.
   4481. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: June 21, 2019 at 01:48 PM (#5854713)
I agree with you that they currently lack a long-term PG solution. I just think there will be more opportunities to work on that. I also don't mind rolling with Tyus for now if they can re-sign him.


I wish I were comfortable with Tyus. His lack of development has soured me on him. I think he is a smart player, but he has to in general play better and specifically shoot better. Maybe last year was just a lost season, a blip, and he can get back on track though.
   4482. smileyy Posted: June 21, 2019 at 01:48 PM (#5854714)
The Kangz, as apparently you kids are calling them today, select Eric Paschall from Villanova, because players from Villanova seem to make solid pros.
   4483. aberg Posted: June 21, 2019 at 02:13 PM (#5854718)
35. Washington (from ATL) - Dandy Little Glove Man - DaQuan Jeffries, F/G, Tulsa
36. Charlotte - Fridas Boss - Ty Jerome, PG, UVA
37. Dallas - stevegamer - Jontay Porter, F, Missouri
38. Chicago - Moses - Luguentz Dort, G, Arizona State
39. Memphis (from NOP via PHO)– Willard Baseball - Daniel Gafford, C, Arkansas
40. Sacramento - smileyy - Eric Paschall, F, Villanova
41. Atlanta - Der-K - Shamorie Ponds, G, St John's
42. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic
43. Minnesota - aberg
44. Indiana (from ATL) - JJ1986
45. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless

Sardonic is on the clock
   4484. sardonic Posted: June 21, 2019 at 02:32 PM (#5854724)
Will make my pick in a couple hours -- snuck up on me a bit and have to do another job interview. You guys might be rid of me soon enough!
   4485. J. Sosa Posted: June 21, 2019 at 02:59 PM (#5854731)
Re: Guy

I think he has a good chance to stick but he is small and frail. He is fearless, more athletic than he looks, and will work hard on defense but the lack of length really hurts him. If he had elite ball skills it would be different. Dude can shoot though. In today’s NBA I thought he was well worth a second round pick.

Re: Hunter

NBA analysis is often comical. I won’t name the podcast, but there is one popular podcast in particular that made me want to beat my head against the table. They spend a lot of time saying you can never have too many functional wings, that it is a place of positional scarcity, and that long dudes that can guard threes and fours and shoot are super valuable.... And then drag the Hawks for giving up what they did for Hunter. A long big wing that can guard fours and shoot...But sure keeping some seconds and taking Demboyou would be totes better.

Want to see how Hunter did against Zion (not super well) it is on tape. Barrett? Culver? White? Reddish? Johnson? Shayok, despite what Bilas might say didn’t transfer because of shots. It is because he saw Hunter in practice on a red shirt and crapped his pants.

Where does Brogdon go in a redraft? Dude might be looking at a near max offer sheet. Hunter is a much better player. Doesn’t have the ball skills Brogdon has, but he is a long big wing that can also handle fours. Come on. Vicencie had him at four and if I recall correctly said something like even if he “busts” and is only Ariza or the Junkyard dog he is going to be in demand and make a ton of money in his career.

High floors are seriously undervalued especially when it comes with positional scarcity and no need for a high usage to be effective. Really liked what the Hawks did. FWiW I liked Reddish better than Barrett. K was asleep most of the time and Reddish wasn’t right physically all year.
   4486. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 21, 2019 at 03:00 PM (#5854732)
Good luck, sardonic!
   4487. jmurph Posted: June 21, 2019 at 03:08 PM (#5854738)
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
Suns guard Tyler Johnson has exercised his $19.25M player option for the 2019-20 season, league sources tell ESPN.

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
Miami Heat center Hassan Whiteside has exercised the $27.1M player option on his contract for 2019-20, league source tells ESPN.

Just posting for the "Pat Riley is good" file.
   4488. jmurph Posted: June 21, 2019 at 03:19 PM (#5854742)
@danfavale
"The Clippers and Raptors are certainly at the front of the line for [Kawhi Leonard]. I'm told that Leonard may very well take visits in free agency, meetings at least, with the Knicks, the 76ers, possibly even the Nets, in addition to the Clippers."

-Woj on ESPN

Sorry stiggles:

Cris Carter @criscarter80
I was told today, Kawhi isn’t planning to meet with the Philadelphia 76’ers.
   4489. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 21, 2019 at 03:38 PM (#5854748)
@SixersAdam
Sixers have entered the past four drafts with a combined total of 12 second-round picks.

Here are the players they have:

• Jonah Bolden
• Shake Milton
• Marial Shayok
• The draft rights to Mathias Lessort


Sorry stiggles:

kawhi signing with the sixers is not likely, and a random tweet from cris carter doesn't really move the needle in either direction.
   4490. jmurph Posted: June 21, 2019 at 03:42 PM (#5854749)
and a random tweet from cris carter doesn't really move the needle in either direction.

Ha I literally didn't even see who I was copying/pasting. Hilarious. Is he actually plugged in? I remember him talking a lot during Kawhi's last year in San Antonio.
   4491. aberg Posted: June 21, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5854753)
Yeah, enjoy writing off Cris Carter, because that has worked so well for Philadelphians in the past.
   4492. jmurph Posted: June 21, 2019 at 04:02 PM (#5854758)
"Al Horford clearly knows he has another offer," said Brian Windhorst. "The speculation within the league is that it's with the Dallas Mavericks. I'm just going to tell you the number that is out there that they're talking about. I have no idea whether it's true. Do you know the number, (Tim) MacMahon?"

"112," replied Jackie MacMullan.

"Four years, $112 million is the number floating around."

Windhorst and MacMullan clarified that they're not reporting this information before MacMahon described it as "rumored speculation."
   4493. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 21, 2019 at 04:05 PM (#5854761)
I'm not nearly as high on Coby White as Mouse, or as down on him as stiggles. I do wonder if the Bulls are the right place for him to actually develop or thrive though. I think Culver is more of a sure thing, in that he's much less likely to be a complete bust (much higher floor).
   4494. jmurph Posted: June 21, 2019 at 04:15 PM (#5854765)
Tommy Beer @TommyBeer
On ESPN’s The Jump, @WindhorstESPN says the Nets are “gaining confidence” that they’ll sign Kevin Durant.

Kendrick Perkins says the Nets are the front-runners to land KD.

Windy adds that Perkins is “not the only person involved in the NBA that has told me that.”
   4495. aberg Posted: June 21, 2019 at 04:17 PM (#5854766)
I'm not nearly as high on Coby White as Mouse, or as down on him as stiggles. I do wonder if the Bulls are the right place for him to actually develop or thrive though. I think Culver is more of a sure thing, in that he's much less likely to be a complete bust (much higher floor).


Lowe and Givony discussed the two of them in pretty good detail on the pod today. Givony pointed out some of the drawbacks to White that got swept under the rug a bit while his hype gathered. One is that he has short arms and a short standing reach for his height so he will play more like a 6'1 guard, which limits the positional versatility. Another is that he played in an up-temp offense with several really good college scorers, which made his playmaking look better than it really was. He also questioned White's shot selection and ability to score inside consistently.

I agree with you about Culver. The combination of his length and athleticism should give him a pretty high floor.
   4496. sardonic Posted: June 21, 2019 at 04:35 PM (#5854774)
Art is imitating real life -- New Orleans selects Marcos Louzada (Didi) Silva, SF, Novo Basquete Brasil with the 42nd pick. Griff traded with ATL for this pick to pick him in real life, and a 6'6" wing with a 3-and-D skillset sounds good to me with 42.

35. Washington (from ATL) - Dandy Little Glove Man - DaQuan Jeffries, F/G, Tulsa
36. Charlotte - Fridas Boss - Ty Jerome, PG, UVA
37. Dallas - stevegamer - Jontay Porter, F, Missouri
38. Chicago - Moses - Luguentz Dort, G, Arizona State
39. Memphis (from NOP via PHO)– Willard Baseball - Daniel Gafford, C, Arkansas
40. Sacramento - smileyy - Eric Paschall, F, Villanova
41. Atlanta - Der-K - Shamorie Ponds, G, St John's
42. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic - Marcos Louzada (Didi) Silva, SF, Novo Basquete Brasil
43. Minnesota - aberg - On the Clock
44. Indiana (from ATL) - JJ1986
45. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless

   4497. aberg Posted: June 21, 2019 at 05:19 PM (#5854781)
Minnesota selects Tremont Waters, PG, LSU. He's undersized, but a good athlete, a tough defender, and can shoot. The size will prevent him from ever being a real starter, but he could carve out a niche as a pretty useful backup and the Wolves need PG depth.

39. Memphis (from NOP via PHO)– Willard Baseball - Daniel Gafford, C, Arkansas
40. Sacramento - smileyy - Eric Paschall, F, Villanova
41. Atlanta - Der-K - Shamorie Ponds, G, St John's
42. New Orleans (from PHI) – sardonic - Marcos Louzada (Didi) Silva, SF, Novo Basquete Brasil
43. Minnesota - aberg - Tremont Waters, PG, LSU
44. Indiana (from ATL) - JJ1986
45. Detroit - Crosseyed and Painless
46. Orlando – Athletic Supporter
47. Sacramento - smileyy
48. LA Clippers
49. San Antonio – Quaker
50. Indiana – JJ1986


JJ IS ON THE CLOCK
   4498. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 21, 2019 at 05:45 PM (#5854788)
I was 100% certain after his IRL draft pronouncement and given the affiliation that aberg was going to pick Jaylen Nowell. I can't help but feel duped.
   4499. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 21, 2019 at 08:29 PM (#5854817)
Ryan
   4500. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 21, 2019 at 08:29 PM (#5854818)
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