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Tuesday, April 16, 2019

OT - NBA thread (Playoffs through off-season)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, and this one only cares about the NBA thread and the Cubs so I have no idea what the rest of the website cares about.

Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: April 16, 2019 at 02:18 PM | 6831 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   4701. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 27, 2019 at 10:09 AM (#5856313)
flip
   4702. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 27, 2019 at 10:09 AM (#5856314)
I've watched Rugby Sevens, esp. in the Olympics, but I don't really care for Rugby union matches.
sevens is awful. there's way too much running.
I've also watched T20 cricket but not test matches.

t20 is kind of like baseball; traditional cricket is more akin to trying to pass legislation that covers the healthcare for 9/11 first responders while mitch mcconnell happens to be the senate majority leader.
I think Gordon would be a nice fit on the Sixers.
so did i, until i looked more closely at gordon. i'm gonna call that a soft "pass".
Knicks did not extend QOs to Mudiay or Kornet. While EM seems like a classic second draft guy (averaged over a point every other minute) and possible future combo guard - he’s also kind of bad? - I wonder if Kornet is actually the better of the pair. Yeah he can hit threes but he’s turned out to be (in my limited viewings) a far savvier defender than I thought possible.
what's really odd is that i believe you can still rescind QOs, right?

if you wind up needing the money later on, you could just dump them when it becomes necessary.
   4703. jmurph Posted: June 27, 2019 at 10:15 AM (#5856319)
How can there be a gap? Isn't this one of those negotiations which should start and finish by immediately offering the max, and anything other than that is pointless?

Charlotte doesn't want to pay the tax, their team isn't any good even with him, and they can offer him more $ and years than anyone else while still not offering the full supermax that he's eligible for, which may be a sticking point for him. I imagine all of those things are in consideration.
   4704. JJ1986 Posted: June 27, 2019 at 10:15 AM (#5856322)
Could one of you guys with some cap familiarity validate this cap math for me? If the Nets trade Joe Harris ($7.7M) and Dinwiddie ($10.6M) - both I think are 'good' contracts so will not require taking back any salary. Will they then have $62 million in cap space even with Russell's cap hold? I'm basing it off these cap numbers.
The Capulator gets them to $65 if they also waive Graham and Napier. They'd have room to sign Irving and Butler or Harris, but would need to move more to sign Irving and KD.
   4705. JJ1986 Posted: June 27, 2019 at 10:16 AM (#5856323)
If Charlotte gives Kemba the supermax, they are going to miss the playoffs for the next five years. Although, they are also going to miss them for the next 5 years if they let him leave.
   4706. puck Posted: June 27, 2019 at 10:18 AM (#5856324)
sevens is awful. there's way too much running.


Yeah, but Fiji wins!
   4707. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 27, 2019 at 10:34 AM (#5856331)
what's really odd is that i believe you can still rescind QOs, right?

yeah, but maybe they thought one or both might accept the qo - at which point they are locked in
   4708. jmurph Posted: June 27, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5856339)
Tim MacMahon @espn_macmahon
Sources: Patrick Beverley is seeking a deal in the three-year, $40+ million range. Suitors include Mavs, Lakers, Bulls and Clippers. Agent Bill Duffy also represents Luka Doncic and is known to be intrigued by idea of pairing bulldog Beverley with the young playmaker.
   4709. jmurph Posted: June 27, 2019 at 11:23 AM (#5856355)
I'm not really up on the cap situation of the Sixers, but if they could bring in Beverley at that number and big man depth, in place of Harris (or honestly even Butler?), I think that would make a lot of sense. There's no undoing the bad Harris trade; overpaying him doesn't fix it.
   4710. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 27, 2019 at 11:45 AM (#5856356)
They could do that if those parties wish to.
   4711. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 27, 2019 at 11:48 AM (#5856358)
I think the Bulls are gonna end up overpaying for Beverly.
   4712. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 27, 2019 at 12:03 PM (#5856362)
Someone will (seems very in demand) - and I love Beverly. (If our archives worked, you could find me rambling how some NBA team should give him a shot way back when.)

   4713. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 27, 2019 at 12:03 PM (#5856363)
A propos of nothing, I am in Las Vegas and just passed a family of five proudly all wearing Suns shirts. It was all I could do to not laugh out loud.
   4714. jmurph Posted: June 27, 2019 at 12:21 PM (#5856366)
Is Bucher at all plugged in?
But Butler, the Western Conference executive said, has interest in being the third star with the Los Angeles Lakers, even if it means accepting slightly less than a maximum salary. This is a shift by Butler and could reflect the value of the Lakers in his eyes now that they are about to pair Anthony Davis with LeBron James.
   4715. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 27, 2019 at 12:27 PM (#5856368)
I'm not really up on the cap situation of the Sixers, but if they could bring in Beverley at that number and big man depth, in place of Harris (or honestly even Butler?), I think that would make a lot of sense. There's no undoing the bad Harris trade; overpaying him doesn't fix it.

the sixers gave up 3 first round picks for harris; MIL gave up 4 second round picks for mirotic.

beverley and thad young >>> tobias harris.

thad young, on his own, is arguably better than tobias harris. harris has the advantage in floor spacing and scoring efficiency, but thad is a much better defender, and he adds offensive rebounding. harris is 4 years younger and he's played 10,000 fewer NBA minutes. plus IND appears to have already moved on from thad, by trading for tj warren.


my ideal free agency (i think):
resign jimmy butler (bird rights)
sign nerlens noel for 4/30
sign thad young for 3/25
sign trevor ariza for 2/18
sign seth curry for 2/12
sign james ennis for 2/6
sign ed davis for 2/10 (cap room exception)
resign tj mcconnell for 3/14 (bird rights)
sign demarre carroll for the vet minimum

starters:
simmons - butler - ariza** - thad - embiid
** any of ariza or matisse thybulle or zhaire smith or seth curry could take that spot in the starting lineup.

PG: simmons -- curry, mcconnell
SG: butler -- zhaire, thybulle
SF: ariza -- ennis, milton
PF: thad -- bolden, carroll
C: embiid -- noel, davis

obviously, that would be really ####### hard to pull off, but:
the sixers have a GM who was teammates with thad young, nerlens noel and demarre carroll.
butler, thad, noel and ennis have already played in philly.
assuming those connections actually mean something, that only leaves ariza, curry and ed davis as targets who the sixers don't have an "in" with. if that turns out to be an issue, then start moving down the wish list:

ariza -> lamb -> ross -> hood
curry -> larkin -> satoransky -> burke
davis -> taj -> KOQ -> udoh -> diallo -> antic -> acy -> ajinca -> asik
   4716. JJ1986 Posted: June 27, 2019 at 12:38 PM (#5856371)
sign nerlens noel for 4/30
sign demarre carroll for the vet minimum
I think these are backwards.
   4717. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 27, 2019 at 12:52 PM (#5856376)
Is Bucher at all plugged in?


Probably not, but Butler has always seemed the most likely big-name guy to come here. I said that weeks ago myself. James and Davis timeline OK with him, he seems to want to raise his media profile, and he supposedly has a couple of Hollywood ties. Butler fits James' history of having the core be himself, an elite big, and an elite guard who can generate buckets on his own. The problem ofc will be the money. The Lakers have no real assets to swing a cap space trade, and they have 5M dead money on the books for Deng after the Stretch.
   4718. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 27, 2019 at 12:55 PM (#5856378)
The Capulator gets them to $65 if they also waive Graham and Napier. They'd have room to sign Irving and Butler or Harris, but would need to move more to sign Irving and KD.
.

Thanks - regardless of what anyone thinks of Russell, I think everyone agrees Irving and Russell would definitely not work. How good would the Nets be in this scenario with Butler and Middleton or Harris?
   4719. jmurph Posted: June 27, 2019 at 12:57 PM (#5856379)
sign nerlens noel for 4/30
sign demarre carroll for the vet minimum
I think these are backwards.

He's Noel's biggest supporter and no amount of evidence that he is just not heavily valued will ever dissuade him from trying to get the man paid.
   4720. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 27, 2019 at 12:57 PM (#5856380)
i don't know who butler's agent is, but he's the 2nd best agent that i've seen in professional sports in my lifetime (sorry, but noone beats bean stringfellow).
   4721. jmurph Posted: June 27, 2019 at 12:58 PM (#5856381)
How good would the Nets be in this scenario with Butler and Middleton or Harris?

I wouldn't like the Butler fit at all but could be wrong. And I'm not sure there's an offer that makes sense for Middleton or Harris that wouldn't be matched or exceeded by their current teams.
   4722. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: June 27, 2019 at 01:01 PM (#5856382)
i just remembered that a drunk and naked ryen russillo was arrested after breaking into someone's home in wyoming.
   4723. jmurph Posted: June 27, 2019 at 01:06 PM (#5856384)
i just remembered that a drunk and naked ryen russillo was arrested after breaking into someone's home in wyoming.

Who among us, first stone, etc etc.
   4724. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: June 27, 2019 at 01:07 PM (#5856385)
I'm loving the unpredictability of this offseason. So many teams could establish themselves as contenders or fall back to mediocrity or worse. Are the Sixers prepared for a scenario in which Butler leaves? I haven't seen them linked to Kemba, but I think he'd be a great fit in Philly.
   4725. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 27, 2019 at 01:32 PM (#5856393)
I hope Kemba ends up in a less hopeless situation than the capped out Hornets.
   4726. aberg Posted: June 27, 2019 at 01:33 PM (#5856394)
Report: Timberwolves offered Andrew Wiggins to Nets in sign-and-trade for D’Angelo Russell


There's another layer of absurdity in this one. To take back Wiggins in a DLo S&T, they would have to absorb him into cap space (only 50% of DLo's outgoing salary would count for matching purposes as BYC, so those two wouldn't match if BKN was over the cap). That means that the Nets would not only be taking back Wiggins, but taking him back into one of their max slots and basically foregoing and shot at KD.

Worth asking, but that's going to be a pretty quick "no."
   4727. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 27, 2019 at 01:34 PM (#5856395)
That means that the Nets would not only be taking back Wiggins, but taking him back into one of their max slots and basically foregoing and shot at KD

Nothing ventured, nothing gained!
   4728. aberg Posted: June 27, 2019 at 01:42 PM (#5856398)
I wonder if Boston would consider trying to trade for Aldridge if they sign Walker. Kemba + Aldridge is kind of a funny impressionist painting of Kyrie + Horford.
   4729. aberg Posted: June 27, 2019 at 01:44 PM (#5856399)
Also, 3/40 for Beverley is more reasonable than I would have expected. I have been thinking he'd get 14-15 AAV, so only asking for ~13 is not too bad.
   4730. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: June 27, 2019 at 01:51 PM (#5856402)
I mean, there's a chance Wiggins would be better than Durant literally playing on an untreated ruptured Achilles tendon.
   4731. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 27, 2019 at 01:53 PM (#5856404)
I mean, there's a chance Wiggins would be better than Durant literally playing on an untreated ruptured Achilles tendon.

Mathematical probabilities guarantee as much, yes.
   4732. Ken Griffey's Grotesquely Swollen Jaw Posted: June 27, 2019 at 01:55 PM (#5856406)
Kemba's eligible for the supermax and it is completely reasonable for the Hornets to try to pay him something less than that. They can still offer him more than anybody else.
   4733. jmurph Posted: June 27, 2019 at 01:58 PM (#5856407)
I'd be so much more excited about this Kemba to Boston link if free agency started tonight. But 3 days, anything can change. Kyrie could change course, the Lakers could do something, etc. Who knows.
   4734. jmurph Posted: June 27, 2019 at 02:20 PM (#5856421)
Whoa, Lakers getting things done.

EDIT: Woj says AD is waiving the trade kicker, and they're trading Wagner, Jones, and Bonga to the Wiz to get to max cap space.
   4735. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 27, 2019 at 02:27 PM (#5856430)
Lakers sending a '22 2nd as a thank you to the Wiz for their part of the move.
   4736. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 27, 2019 at 02:29 PM (#5856434)
Yeah, it has been pretty obvious that Davis would waive the kicker if they think they are getting a big dog, but he wouldn't do it for role player guys, even good ones. So we will see if Wojnarowski is accurate and what happens next.
   4737. aberg Posted: June 27, 2019 at 02:35 PM (#5856440)
I think my money would be on either Butler or Walker. That's a huge development.
   4738. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 27, 2019 at 02:36 PM (#5856442)
As noted, my money is that it will be Butler if the Lakers get a guy. I think Leonard will sign a 2+1 with Toronto, and Irving will go to Brooklyn. No clue on Durant. Thompson will stay with GS IMO.

And as jmurph notes...who knows? Could be wrong on all.
   4739. jmurph Posted: June 27, 2019 at 02:36 PM (#5856443)
Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
Yahoo Sources: Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James gifting new teammate Anthony Davis his No. 23 jersey for the upcoming season.

The $4 million jersey!
   4740. jmurph Posted: June 27, 2019 at 02:37 PM (#5856444)
I think my money would be on either Butler or Walker. That's a huge development.

Kemba makes so much sense- this is exactly what I was worried about in 4733!
   4741. aberg Posted: June 27, 2019 at 02:39 PM (#5856447)
Yahoo Sources: Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James gifting new teammate Anthony Davis his No. 23 jersey for the upcoming season.


Lebron is going to wear 45.
   4742. jmurph Posted: June 27, 2019 at 03:03 PM (#5856460)
I think of the available options I'd prefer Butler in Laker Land so I can properly root against them. I like LeBron and Kemba/Kawhi (neutral to negative on Davis), so Butler would really make things easier. For me, which is what is important.
   4743. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 27, 2019 at 03:10 PM (#5856465)
Yes, if it is Butler, then this team will be as hated as The Heatles and the 2000-2004 Lakers teams.

Chris Mannix of SI reported just yesterday that Pelinka was striking out moving Jones, Wagner and Bonga. I am sure that Mannix's deep Boston ties are 100% unrelated to that. ;-) I can use this to lead off my Anti-Lakers Bias in The Media BTF podcast segment.
   4744. jmurph Posted: June 27, 2019 at 03:18 PM (#5856470)
Yes, if it is Butler, then this team will be as hated as The Heatles and the 2000-2004 Lakers teams.

LeBron has mostly recovered from all that though, hasn't he? I don't know how to measure this but I feel like his approval rating is much higher since the 2nd Cleveland stint.
   4745. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 27, 2019 at 03:24 PM (#5856472)
LeBron has mostly recovered from all that though, hasn't he?


Absolutely. But I said back in 2010 that the only way that many people would have been more pissed off about The Heatles would have been if James et al had set up the same kind of thing...with the Lakers. And now it looks like he/they may be close to doing that. I will speculate that if it happens, Popovich, Cuban and some others will call for a league investigation.
   4746. jmurph Posted: June 27, 2019 at 03:30 PM (#5856474)
In all seriousness, surely someone is going to make a tampering complaint at some point. I guess whoever ends up without a big FA signing when the music stops.
   4747. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: June 27, 2019 at 03:31 PM (#5856475)
My Fan Brain found the whole explosion of the Pelicans sort of off-putting. Then, when the Pelicans got a boatload from the Lakers for Davis (at least more than teams seem to ever receive in these sorts of deals) it became sort of like, well, that seems fair enough. Zion going there also took any sort of Pelicans Pity Party off the table.
   4748. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 27, 2019 at 03:34 PM (#5856477)
No reason to feel sorry for the Pelicans. If ZW is a Top-10 guy and likes it there--pretty big ifs--they will be in solid shape. In the meantime, they will be a very interesting team at worst.
   4749. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 27, 2019 at 03:36 PM (#5856478)
In all seriousness, surely someone is going to make a tampering complaint at some point.


I wasn't joking, actually. Cuban has always had a few "Lakers issues" and was one of the owners in Stern's ear about vetoing the Paul deal, and Popovich went off in public after the Pau Gasol deal.
   4750. mike f Posted: June 27, 2019 at 04:09 PM (#5856491)
Cuban 1000% will when the Mavs strike out.
   4751. JC in DC Posted: June 27, 2019 at 04:18 PM (#5856496)
Paging Mr. Cuban. Paging Mr. Cuban: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27068842/sources-lakers-ship-3-wiz-open-max-space.
   4752. aberg Posted: June 27, 2019 at 04:19 PM (#5856497)
Absolutely. But I said back in 2010 that the only way that many people would have been more pissed off about The Heatles would have been if James et al had set up the same kind of thing...with the Lakers. And now it looks like he/they may be close to doing that. I will speculate that if it happens, Popovich, Cuban and some others will call for a league investigation.


The other distinction is that Lebron has now brought a title to Cleveland. I think there are people who disliked the Heatles who are more likely to forgive him now for that reason. He's also had more time to establish his social/political bona fides and seems like he's actually a pretty good person. I don't think that reputation was entrenched in '10.
   4753. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 27, 2019 at 04:45 PM (#5856514)
davis -> taj -> KOQ -> udoh -> diallo -> antic -> acy -> ajinca -> asik

Uh:
Omer Asik came to Chicago as part of the Nicola Mirotic trade, but last season he never set foot on the court for the Bulls. Back in training camp, Asik was ruled out indefinitely with inflammatory arthritis, the latest flare-up in a condition that has been an issue for years. Asik had played in just 49 games combined the two seasons before sitting out this last one.

During training camp, the Bulls waived Asik. He was paid his full $11.3 million for this season and had a $3 million guarantee for next season.

After applying to the league to have it removed (because Asik hadn’t played in a year due to injury and was not expected to in the future), that $3 million is coming off the Bulls’ books in time for free agency, reports Shams Charania of The Athletic.
   4754. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: June 27, 2019 at 05:01 PM (#5856521)
There will probably be less hostility towards James himself, but it is the Lakers this time, so if there is another "Big 3" that part will piss off some people. As per Marks, Haynes, and Wojnarowski, Leonard will be meeting with both the Lakers and Clippers on June 30.
   4755. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 27, 2019 at 06:07 PM (#5856538)
Looks like the Sixers might be signing ... Norvel Pelle, to a two way deal.
He’s interesting, in a low stakes way. Long ago the top center in his class, grades and minor injuries kept him off the court and a lack of weight limited him on it. Blocks shots, gets dunks, decent mid range jumper, runs pretty well, poor ball skills. Played for their G League team last year.
—-
If the Lakers sign another “max” type, stretched Luol Deng could be their fourth highest salary next year.
   4756. jmurph Posted: June 28, 2019 at 10:08 AM (#5856650)
Four big NBA trades we want to see this summer from ESPN. I kind of like this one:
Houston Rockets get: Jimmy Butler (sign-and-trade, four-year $141 million contract)

Philadelphia 76ers get: Eric Gordon, 2020 Houston first-round pick (protected Nos. 1-5) and 2020 Sacramento first-round pick (protected Nos. 1-14)

* First-round pick(s) have same protection for 2021, 2022 and 2023. If not conveyed by 2023, the first will turn into two second-round picks in 2024 and 2025 (for each team).

Sacramento Kings get: Clint Capela
   4757. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 28, 2019 at 10:41 AM (#5856657)
that's more or less exactly the scenario i was wondering about when i asked about capela upthread
   4758. jmurph Posted: June 28, 2019 at 11:34 AM (#5856671)
Zach Lowe says a coach's challenge (replay) is coming to the NBA, so that's a disaster, but they're also going to experiment with efforts in the G League to stop intentional fouls to prevent a fastbreak, giving one FTA and the ball.
   4759. tshipman Posted: June 28, 2019 at 12:24 PM (#5856678)
Zach Lowe says a coach's challenge (replay) is coming to the NBA, so that's a disaster,


Does anyone actually like the NFL experience of every big play being lawyered to death for 10 minutes?

To me, the issue is that it takes away the discretion of the official to control the game. A good example of this is the out of bounds review. It used to be that if you were the reason the ball went out of bounds, it went to the other team. So if you shoved a guy, even if that might be a foul by the letter of the law, it wasn't worth calling, so it'd just be ball out of bounds to the other team. Now that's gone, and we just have lawyerball. I hate that this incentivizes more fouling.
   4760. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 28, 2019 at 12:28 PM (#5856679)
I have absolutely no idea if this really could happen, or is even being considered at all. I think the author is making a few assumptions that seems like a reach.
   4761. JC in DC Posted: June 28, 2019 at 01:07 PM (#5856691)
[4760] You have to wonder, though, if something like that could happen. There's a lot of money at stake; indeed, more and more money every year. There was a lot of pressure to get him on the court, and there's been a lot of narrative around how GS may have (emphasis on "may", it's just the press's narrative) downplayed his injury to increase pressure on him to get out there.
   4762. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 28, 2019 at 01:18 PM (#5856695)
Does anyone actually like the NFL experience of every big play being lawyered to death for 10 minutes?

Probably some ####### somewhere. But the more sports try and ape the NFL, the worse they get. That kind of positivist, Eisenhower administration style technocracy is death to fun, and sports should be fun.
   4763. JJ1986 Posted: June 28, 2019 at 01:24 PM (#5856699)
Haha:
The Sacramento Kings are working towards an agreement with Harrison Barnes in the 4 year, 88 million dollar range.......
   4764. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 28, 2019 at 01:28 PM (#5856702)
JC, exactly. I have to think it'd be a situation like this, with a player like Durant who can legitimately claim a significant damage and has the personality to not give a ####.

---

Marc Stein @TheSteinLine 8m8 minutes ago

I've heard the same as Sacramento's own @CarmichaelDave: The Kings intend to offer Harrison Barnes a four-year deal worth nearly $90 million when free agency opens Sunday at 6 PM ET
   4765. jmurph Posted: June 28, 2019 at 01:32 PM (#5856706)
Oh Sacramento. I mean, this was clearly the likely outcome but after he opted out I thought they might have a chance to avoid it.

   4766. tshipman Posted: June 28, 2019 at 01:37 PM (#5856707)
Oh Sacramento. I mean, this was clearly the likely outcome but after he opted out I thought they might have a chance to avoid it.


He opted out with the assurance that they would offer this. It didn't happen in a vacuum.
   4767. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: June 28, 2019 at 01:37 PM (#5856708)
No way. 95% likely they had a backroom deal to do this if he opted out. If it's 4/88, it's "really" 4/84 with the extra 4m for the 25m distributed across the 4 years.

Wait, that's still bad! That math didn't work out as strongly as I had hoped.

edit: coke to tship
   4768. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 28, 2019 at 01:37 PM (#5856709)
Oh, Kangz.
   4769. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 28, 2019 at 01:40 PM (#5856711)
I mean, that's Wiggins' money, dammit!
   4770. jmurph Posted: June 28, 2019 at 01:49 PM (#5856713)
He opted out with the assurance that they would offer this. It didn't happen in a vacuum.

Sure, but maybe someone dumber could have jumped in! Though I guess the Wiz are obviously capped, so that was probably not going to happen.
   4771. tshipman Posted: June 28, 2019 at 01:56 PM (#5856716)
Sure, but maybe someone dumber could have jumped in!


... who is dumber than the Kings?
   4772. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 28, 2019 at 01:56 PM (#5856717)
... who is dumber than the Kings?

Knicks? Suns?
   4773. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 28, 2019 at 01:57 PM (#5856719)
He opted out with the assurance that they would offer this. It didn't happen in a vacuum.

Yep.

Warriors extend Myers (and COO Weits, who came up in Iggy's recent comments about Mark Jackson's departure from the org).
   4774. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: June 28, 2019 at 02:14 PM (#5856730)

Does anyone actually like the NFL experience of every big play being lawyered to death for 10 minutes?


Average time spent on reviews per NFL game: 3 minutes 30 seconds (as of 2013, latest year I could find stats). An average of 1.6 per game. And generally longer reviews mean the networks can go to commercial then rather than at some other point in the game, so no actual lengthening of the game.
   4775. aberg Posted: June 28, 2019 at 02:14 PM (#5856731)
I mean, that's Wiggins' money, dammit!


The really upsetting part is that it's not, and it's really not very close.
   4776. jmurph Posted: June 28, 2019 at 02:25 PM (#5856737)
The idea of Harrison Barnes continues to get the actual Harrison Barnes seriously paid.
   4777. Fourth True Outcome Posted: June 28, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5856738)
The idea of Harrison Barnes continues to get the actual Harrison Barnes seriously paid.

Jeff Green must be pretty jealous.
   4778. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 28, 2019 at 02:29 PM (#5856739)
   4779. DCA Posted: June 28, 2019 at 02:35 PM (#5856742)
I have to think it'd be a situation like this, with a player like Durant who can legitimately claim a significant damage and has the personality to not give a ####.


I don't think there's anything actionable if Durant is offered a max contract. He couldn't do any better the next 4-5 years with better health. There would be no monetary damages.

He'd need a smoking gun of endorsers dropping him on account of the injury, and even then it would be difficult/impossible to prove that he would not have been injured in the summer or fall had he not come back in the Finals. This isn't his first major injury.
   4780. jmurph Posted: June 28, 2019 at 02:44 PM (#5856747)
... who is dumber than the Kings?

Knicks? Suns?

The Suns without question. At least Sacramento has occasionally drafted well.
   4781. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 28, 2019 at 02:46 PM (#5856750)
The really upsetting part is that it's not, and it's really not very close.

I guess it's only like 15MM PER YEAR short of the space they'd need for Wiggins.

That is so, so, so, so, so, so, so depressing.
   4782. tshipman Posted: June 28, 2019 at 02:49 PM (#5856753)
The Suns without question. At least Sacramento has occasionally drafted well.


Isn't this recency bias? The Suns were a contender under this ownership group within the last 10 years.
   4783. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: June 28, 2019 at 02:50 PM (#5856755)
Isn't this recency bias? The Suns were a contender under this ownership group within the last 10 years.

For the purposes of "who would be dumb enough to pay Harrison Barnes 90MM", what Sarver did with 7SOL doesn't really pertain, right?
   4784. tshipman Posted: June 28, 2019 at 02:57 PM (#5856757)
For the purposes of "who would be dumb enough to pay Harrison Barnes 90MM", what Sarver did with 7SOL doesn't really pertain, right?


I dunno ... absent the KANGZ and Vivek's obsession with the 2016 Warriors, what would Barnes be getting paid after opting out? Who's a good comp? Thaddeus Young?
   4785. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: June 28, 2019 at 02:58 PM (#5856758)
4778--Thanks for the article though the story is terrible.
   4786. jmurph Posted: June 28, 2019 at 03:02 PM (#5856759)
Isn't this recency bias? The Suns were a contender under this ownership group within the last 10 years

10 seasons (they were a contender in the 09-10 season) is like 13.5% of the NBA's entire history. 2009-10 was a long time ago!
   4787. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 28, 2019 at 03:14 PM (#5856773)
I saw this line in the MacMullan Irving piece:

In the meantime, Irving is probably embarking on a new start in Brooklyn, and, following the blueprint of LeBron James, has hired his longtime friend Alex Jones to help manage his career.

and honestly thought for a split second that this meant the nut from Austin.
   4788. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 28, 2019 at 03:17 PM (#5856777)
Woj: GSW to offer Klay 5/190 to get that out of the way.
Stein: Rox found a partner for a Capela deal but will only pull trigger if they're sure to land Butler.
   4789. jmurph Posted: June 28, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5856793)
Stein: Rox found a partner for a Capela deal but will only pull trigger if they're sure to land Butler.

So are they just going to do this for all 3 guys, let it get out to Woj, and then just bring them all back if the sign and trade doesn't happen? At least they have an extremely happy and well taken care of D'Antoni to smooth things over.
   4790. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: June 28, 2019 at 03:33 PM (#5856795)
Has Woj ever been wrong? So if he posts that Middleton is leaving he's gone, right?
   4791. jmurph Posted: June 28, 2019 at 03:36 PM (#5856796)
He's definitely been wrong. He tweeted that Boston was (essentially) out on Horford and then minutes later announced the Horford contract (in 2016). But yeah, you don't bet on him being wrong, it's certainly rare.
   4792. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: June 28, 2019 at 04:02 PM (#5856803)
Has Woj ever been wrong? So if he posts that Middleton is leaving he's gone, right?

I haven't seen that posted from him. Did I miss something?
   4793. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: June 28, 2019 at 04:05 PM (#5856804)
4792--Just prepping myself for a #### Sunday afternoon
   4794. If on a winter's night a traveling violation Posted: June 28, 2019 at 04:06 PM (#5856805)
I haven't seen that posted from him.
He hasn't posted anything about Middleton, or at least not recently (methodology: navigate to twitter.com/wojespn, hit cmd+f)
   4795. aberg Posted: June 28, 2019 at 04:10 PM (#5856809)
Didn't he get one of the draft picks wrong last week? Maybe I'm misremembering, but I think there was something very recent.
   4796. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: June 28, 2019 at 04:14 PM (#5856810)
I think Milwaukee gets gutted because even though it makes complete sense to accept a luxury tax owners will say they couldn't match or some bullshit and settle for winning 45 games next season followed by Giannis saying later soon after.
   4797. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: June 28, 2019 at 04:19 PM (#5856813)
I expect Milwaukee to go into the tax to keep the band together because the 2020 title is up for grabs, and then if/when they don't win the title next year make moves to get back under the line.

So basically what MotH said, but a year later.
   4798. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: June 28, 2019 at 04:23 PM (#5856818)
4795 - shams did. i think woj held off on that one?
4796 - i'm optimistic for milwaukee. lose nikola. keep brogdon and middleton. maybe get lopez to stay (cap room). granted, that's based on NOTHING.
uh, more or less the happy part of what paste said.
   4799. jmurph Posted: June 28, 2019 at 04:33 PM (#5856824)
Marc Stein @TheSteinLine
The Orlando Magic are preparing a four-year offer believed to be in excess of $90 million to their All-Star center Nikola Vucevic in hopes of completing a deal shortly after Sunday's opening bell in free agency, league sources say
   4800. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: June 28, 2019 at 04:36 PM (#5856827)
4798--Hope so. I am normally not super negative but just not getting a good vibe on things. And it does not help interacting with the older Bucks fans who were around when Milwaukee last lost a conference finals which apparently if you believe things online was a massive #### you to the Bucks by the refs so these fans are convinced that the 2019 season was the chance and now Milwaukee is doomed
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