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OT - NBA thread (pre-season)

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about baseball, and this thread is the only thing keeping this site alive.

Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: September 26, 2019 at 09:56 AM | 762 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   701. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: October 23, 2019 at 06:32 PM (#5893580)
Milwaukee.
   702. aberg Posted: October 23, 2019 at 06:51 PM (#5893583)
Say what you will about Tobias Harris. His contract is long.
   703. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: October 23, 2019 at 07:08 PM (#5893589)
Say what you will about Tobias Harris. His contract is long.

Of all of the basketball players in the world, he is certainly one of them.
   704. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 23, 2019 at 08:25 PM (#5893626)
considering the vast amount of energy he conserves on both ends of the floor, i'll be disappointed if tharris plays less than 43 minutes per game this season.
   705. JJ1986 Posted: October 23, 2019 at 08:27 PM (#5893629)
I'm sure they measured him accurately, but Grant Williams looks SG-sized out there.
   706. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: October 23, 2019 at 08:38 PM (#5893651)
It's the Jake Layman show!
   707. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: October 23, 2019 at 08:39 PM (#5893652)
Also, I want Towns to pick that weak #### out.
   708. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: October 23, 2019 at 08:41 PM (#5893655)
But, 16/9/4 is pretty nice ... for the first half.
   709. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: October 23, 2019 at 08:45 PM (#5893659)
ok, /3. But a steal and two blocks, too.
   710. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: October 23, 2019 at 08:46 PM (#5893660)
Waiter! Conversation for one, please.
   711. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: October 23, 2019 at 08:49 PM (#5893661)
I always find it amusing when a professional athlete has a game where I can smile smugly and honestly say, "I could've done that." (and for a lot less money!).


Tony Snell accumulating zero stats except fouls is still probably more valuable than you though, because the other team at least has to try to defend him and play 5-on-5.

In baseball it's a different story.
   712. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: October 23, 2019 at 08:57 PM (#5893664)
Tony Snell accumulating zero stats except fouls is still probably more valuable than you though, because the other team at least has to try to defend him and play 5-on-5.

He was +9, which, I don't know, but it definitely is something to think about.
   713. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:06 PM (#5893667)
Yeah, this is a totally unsurprising outcome.
   714. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:08 PM (#5893668)
3/21 outside the paint; tharris on pace for 40 minutes and 8 points; too much korkmas; not enough burke; mike scott gets a standing ovation despite (because of?) punching that eagles fan about a month ago; marcus smart should get punched in the throat by someone every game, just on general principle.
   715. JJ1986 Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:08 PM (#5893669)
Did anyone want coach's challenges in the NBA? Whose terrible idea was this?
   716. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:09 PM (#5893671)
I see that Wiggins has cut his hair. I was no fan of the cornrows -- he looked totally righteous when he picked that #### out -- but the high 'n tight is a good look for him. There, let nobody tell you that I've never said anything nice about Wiggins.
   717. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:11 PM (#5893672)
-- pj washington, dwayne bacon and devonte graham

-- i did not know tj mcconnell was a pacers.
   718. JJ1986 Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:11 PM (#5893673)
-- i did not know tj mcconnell was a pacers.
They have all the "TJ"s.
   719. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:12 PM (#5893674)
@MiamiHEAT
#MEMveMIA UPDATE: Jimmy Butler (personal reasons) will not play in tonight’s game vs the Grizzlies.
   720. Fourth True Outcome Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:14 PM (#5893675)
Did anyone want coach's challenges in the NBA? Whose terrible idea was this?

I have been trying to figure this out. It's annoying with almost no real upside in its current form.
   721. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:15 PM (#5893676)
Did anyone want coach's challenges in the NBA? Whose terrible idea was this?

A bad idea badly implemented. Blech. Of course, I am 100% anti-replay in any form.
   722. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:19 PM (#5893680)
I am pretty happy with the Wolves' commitment to not playing defence.
   723. jmurph Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:29 PM (#5893685)
Refs in the Sixers-Celtics game have correctly determined we’ve tuned in to watch them. It’s taken like 30 minutes to play half a quarter.
   724. SteveF Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:32 PM (#5893686)
There have been a lot of fouls, but frankly they could have called even more. Both teams are a way off from mid-season form.
   725. tshipman Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:39 PM (#5893690)
Charlotte has won a game! One down, 9 to go.
   726. jmurph Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:44 PM (#5893694)
Philly’s halfcourt offense is even worse than I had hoped, but unfortunately they’re very difficult to score against.
   727. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:48 PM (#5893696)
Markelle Fultz, coast to coast.
   728. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:51 PM (#5893698)
[727] That is some All-Star level defense by the Cavs there (by which I mean the kind of defense that gets played in the All-Star Game).

[725] If the Horcats can shoot 52 percent from three for the season, they just might stay out of the lottery (emphasis on might).
   729. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:54 PM (#5893700)
Drummond with 32/23 tonight. Luke Kennard 30 points. Derrick Rose with 18 and 9 assists.
   730. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 23, 2019 at 09:59 PM (#5893703)
Refs in the Sixers-Celtics game have correctly determined we’ve tuned in to watch them. It’s taken like 30 minutes to play half a quarter.
they are godawful.
There have been a lot of fouls, but frankly they could have called even more. Both teams are a way off from mid-season form.
i think marcus smart flopped into half a dozen fouls in the 3rd quarter.

the league needs to make people like him wear a different colored jersey, so that refs can learn to ignore any contact involving them.
Philly’s halfcourt offense is even worse than I had hoped, but unfortunately they’re very difficult to score against.
the philly defense is doing an especially great job at the foul line.
   731. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:03 PM (#5893704)
there's never a bad time for the sixers to pull out their KOQ.
   732. jmurph Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:13 PM (#5893711)
the philly defense is doing an especially great job at the foul line.

God, seriously. Embarrassing performance from Boston at the line.
   733. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: October 23, 2019 at 10:36 PM (#5893718)
Doncic has an efficient 32 points in 28 minutes through 3. Dallas up by 23. Gonna see a lot of this against the Wizards this year.
   734. jmurph Posted: October 23, 2019 at 11:26 PM (#5893794)
Mitchell having a great game for Utah. Entertaining game.
   735. tshipman Posted: October 23, 2019 at 11:50 PM (#5893815)
I don't want to overreact, but I'm watching some Fultz highlights and Cleveland may have the worst defense of all time.
   736. Booey Posted: October 24, 2019 at 12:02 AM (#5893822)
Mitchell having a great game for Utah. Entertaining game.


- Spida played exactly how the Jazz need him to play; attacking the rim, taking efficient shots, etc (although expecting 12 boards a game is probably getting a bit greedy).

- Conley...did not. That's gotta be on the short list for the worst debut ever for a big name acquisition, no?

- Bogdanovic scared me early by getting carried off in the 2nd after rolling his ankle, but he returned and finished with 16 pts. All is good.

- Royce O'Neal is becoming a player.

- Surprisingly good debut from Mudiay..


Not a super impressive win overall, but I'll take it considering Conley's 1/16 and the teams 6/24 from deep.
   737. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 24, 2019 at 12:26 AM (#5893832)
Jokic with back to back 3s, and apparently talking trash to Portland fans.
   738. Tin Angel Posted: October 24, 2019 at 12:39 AM (#5893834)
Jokic with back to back 3s, and apparently talking trash to Portland fans.


Pretty cool that the people in the front rows can understand Serbian curses.
   739. spivey Posted: October 24, 2019 at 08:41 AM (#5893868)
Watching that Fultz highlight, makes me think that Tristan Thompson decided the Finals is not going through Cleveland this year.
   740. jmurph Posted: October 24, 2019 at 09:04 AM (#5893869)
- Conley...did not. That's gotta be on the short list for the worst debut ever for a big name acquisition, no?

Yes, but Kemba didn't exactly blow him away last night.
   741. spivey Posted: October 24, 2019 at 09:10 AM (#5893872)
I like Kemba, and he got off to a great start last year and I had maybe mentally moved him up a tier of players. But he wasn't great in the second half, and I see his overall numbers are back in line with the previous 4 years. I need to mentally drop him back that tier I gave him. I guess that's just what he is. Which is a good player, but probably a bit of a reach as a max.
   742. jmurph Posted: October 24, 2019 at 09:17 AM (#5893881)
I like Kemba, and he got off to a great start last year and I had maybe mentally moved him up a tier of players. But he wasn't great in the second half, and I see his overall numbers are back in line with the previous 4 years. I need to mentally drop him back that tier I gave him. I guess that's just what he is. Which is a good player, but probably a bit of a reach as a max.

Eh I think he's an obvious max guy, there's just not piles of surplus value or whatever, like you get with the top 10 or so players. He didn't get the supermax offer, for instance, which I think everyone (including him, it seems) understood.
   743. jmurph Posted: October 24, 2019 at 09:20 AM (#5893882)
Singularly Wigginsian performance from Andrew Wiggins last night: 36 minutes, plus/minus of -26! In a game they won by 1 in overtime. So in the 17 non-Wiggins minutes, the Wolves were plus 27. Amazing.

And in the actually impressive debut category, Kyrie went off (though he of course missed the potential game-winner): 50 points, 8 rebounds, 7 assists, 0 turnover, +18 in only 38 minutes.
   744. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: October 24, 2019 at 09:26 AM (#5893886)
Towns was a monster, when Wiggins would let him get the ball.
   745. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 24, 2019 at 10:05 AM (#5893901)
Yes, but Kemba didn't exactly blow him away last night.

it's definitely worth noting that kemba had to play against three of the better perimeter defenders in the league. i might be biased, but i think most PGs are going to have trouble against ben simmons, josh richardson and matisse thybulle.
   746. Dandy Little Glove Man Posted: October 24, 2019 at 10:12 AM (#5893902)
Singularly Wigginsian performance from Andrew Wiggins last night: 36 minutes, plus/minus of -26! In a game they won by 1 in overtime. So in the 17 non-Wiggins minutes, the Wolves were plus 27. Amazing.

Not to mention a very inefficient 21 points, to go along with 0 assists, 0 steals, and 0 blocks. Classic Wiggins.
   747. smileyy Posted: October 24, 2019 at 10:21 AM (#5893904)
So it's like a trillion with change.
   748. jmurph Posted: October 24, 2019 at 10:52 AM (#5893913)
it's definitely worth noting that kemba had to play against three of the better perimeter defenders in the league. i might be biased, but i think most PGs are going to have trouble against ben simmons, josh richardson and matisse thybulle.

Oh yeah I'm very happy to have Kemba on the Celtics, I think he'll be great. The Sixers are clearly going to be one of the best defensive teams this year.
   749. Booey Posted: October 24, 2019 at 10:57 AM (#5893915)
Random side note from last night: I love, love, LOVE the fact that they no longer count the rip-through as a shooting foul (CP3 did it to the Jazz at least twice last night), and that they no longer consider the "fling the ball at the hoop as soon as you hear the whistle" move as continuation (Paul and Mitchell both tried this to no avail). Awarding free throws for that nonsense was a huge blight on a game a few years ago, IMO.
   750. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 24, 2019 at 11:37 AM (#5893933)
Jon Johnson @jonjohnsonwip
Sixers had 62 rebounds last night. Last time they recorded 60+ boards in a season opener....1977.

Derek Bodner @DerekBodnerNBA
Al Horford: "Marcus (Smart) does such a good job of flopping...He got me tonight."

Tom Moore @TomMoorePhilly
Josh Richardson: ‘It kind of felt like a playoff atmosphere already. They’re on time.’ #Sixers

Kyle Neubeck @KyleNeubeck
Brown gives a simple explanation for Korkmaz’s minutes/role tonight: “I need to grow a bomber”

[quick note on brett brown's pronunciation of this one: "bom-burr"]
   751. Moses Taylor loves a good maim Posted: October 24, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5893939)
Charlotte has won a game! One down, 9 to go.

Variance!

Mark Strotman @markstrot

On 39 of the Hornets' 44 3-pointers last night, the Bulls' closest defender was at least 4 feet away (the NBA considers that "open"). They shot 51% on those attempts.

20 of those were "wide open," meaning the closest defender was 6+ feet away.


...and terrible defense. Which is what I'd expect for the Bulls. Lauri was great (but 1 for 7 on 3s), but Porter and Lavine less so. But overall, the offense was much more fun and modern that last year, which is really all I can expect.
   752. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: October 24, 2019 at 11:52 AM (#5893944)
overall, the offense was much more fun and modern that last year, which is really all I can expect.
don't worry; boylen will take care of that soon enough....
   753. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: October 24, 2019 at 12:11 PM (#5893956)
At what point do the Wolves just... stop playing Wiggins?

They're a better team without him. He makes a decent team worse. He should never be allowed to be on the floor at the same time as Towns.

I get that if they still harbor hopes of some sucker taking his hideous contract off their hands, they need to let him play and hope he has a hot month. But on the other hand, every game Wiggins plays 30+ minutes is going to push Towns another inch closer to blowing up and demanding a trade. Besides the fact that, again, Wiggins just makes the team worse.
   754. HBO disappeared Oscar Posted: October 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM (#5893959)
Ok, Charlotte you had your fun. Now get busy losing or my wager will get busy dying
   755. . . . . . . Posted: October 24, 2019 at 12:24 PM (#5893967)
The videos on the twitters of Whiteside's 'defense' against Jokic are amusing. He just seems to comprehensively not give a #### if points are scored.
   756. jmurph Posted: October 24, 2019 at 12:26 PM (#5893968)
The videos on the twitters of Whiteside's 'defense' against Jokic are amusing. He just seems to comprehensively not give a #### if points are scored.

I just saw that, so good. Here's a link for those who haven't yet.
   757. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: October 24, 2019 at 01:41 PM (#5894001)
at the same time, denver shot quite poorly on twos last night and my understanding is that a lot of that was whiteside. which is not to say that that clip wasn't hilarious.

Brown gives a simple explanation for Korkmaz’s minutes/role tonight: “I need to grow a bomber”
i think that's reasonable?
   758. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 24, 2019 at 02:44 PM (#5894039)
Since the season's already started, I started a new, non-pre-season thread thread.
   759. aberg Posted: October 24, 2019 at 02:48 PM (#5894041)
Wiggins was so bad last night. The funny thing is that he had a few possessions late in the 4th and in OT where he either operated a PNR or just blew by a defender for an easy finish in the paint. He CAN do that. Yet he insists on shooting a crapton of contested 20 footers. I will never understand it.

Teague was a disaster last night, too. He was already at an athletic deficit at the position and he's coming off ankle surgery. He might have just slipped below the threshold of playable on defense. I feel bad for him- the mind is willing but the body isn't able.

With Covington, Okogie, and Graham, it seems like the Wolves have three good perimeter defenders for the first time in ages. As PASTE mentioned, they might actually be an intersting team if they stopped playing Wiggins and made Teague a backup.
   760. Your favorite TFTIO, me! Posted: October 24, 2019 at 02:51 PM (#5894043)
I just don't understand how Jeff Teague, who is a very good professional basketball player, can be so bad at post entry passes.
   761. aberg Posted: October 24, 2019 at 06:21 PM (#5894127)
I made a Wolves-specific prediction contest for a few of my friends. If anyone here wants to participate, here are the questions:

1. Top 3 finishers in total minutes played (5 points each)

2. Total wins (10 points for exact, subtract 1 for each game off)

3. Will Towns make an All-NBA team, y/n (10 points).

4. Total team 3PA, o/u 2850 (10 points).

5. Andrew Wiggins o/u: FG% .435 and o/u ppg 19.4 (5 points each- need 2 answers).

6. Jeff Teague games started for Minnesota (10 points for exact, subtract 1 for each game off).

7. League rank in Defensive Rating (10 points for exact, subtract 1 for each rank off)

8. Josh Okogie made 3s: 0-50; 51-80; 81-110; 111+ (5 points).

9. Who will finish the year with the most points: Jake Layman, Noah Vonleh, Jordan Bell, Shabazz Napier, Treveon Graham (5 points).

10. Robert Covington o/u total steals+blocks 185 (5 points).

11. Will the team acquire a player during the season who makes >$10mm in 19/20 y/n? (5 points)

12. Will Jarret Culver make All-Rookie first team, y/n? (5 points)

13. Tiebreaker: Full season per game point differential (points scored – points allowed/g).
   762. Der-K's tired of these fruits from poisoned trees Posted: October 24, 2019 at 09:01 PM (#5894197)
Ayton suspended for 25 games for use of a diuretic
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