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Thursday, October 24, 2019

OT - NBA Thread, Start of the 2019-2020 Season

I estimate only 10-12 Primates care about the NBA, and we’re the only people that matter.

Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 24, 2019 at 02:42 PM | 1484 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   801. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: November 13, 2019 at 03:05 PM (#5900924)
Yeah, there's been concern about Jokic in the early going.
   802. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: November 13, 2019 at 04:22 PM (#5900939)
Fun stat of the day: Kris Dunn is fourth in the league in steals/game, despite playing 20 minutes a night.
   803. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 13, 2019 at 05:22 PM (#5900962)
The Magic have been about as expected, but with disappointing results. They were talked about as a .500, middle of the pack playoff team, but are currently 3-7 with the #1 defense and #30 offense.

but on the plus side, they're favored tonight against the sixers.
   804. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 13, 2019 at 05:34 PM (#5900968)
Fun stat of the day: Kris Dunn is fourth in the league in steals/game, despite playing 20 minutes a night.

He's been a lot better off the bench so far; he's still not a great shooter - 17.6% on 3's this year - but his shot selection has gotten better and he seems to simplified everything he's doing and it's leading to better results.
   805. jmurph Posted: November 13, 2019 at 10:06 PM (#5901003)
The internet tells me Tobias Harris has missed 23 straight threes.

EDIT: Is that a lot? It feels like a lot.
   806. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: November 13, 2019 at 10:11 PM (#5901005)
Doc Rivers doing his good work to get himself thrown out.
Austin Rivers calling for the ejection, then applauding it.
That was delightful.
   807. smileyy Posted: November 13, 2019 at 10:12 PM (#5901006)
That's some "Rockets in the Conference Finals" level shooting there.

Harris/Fultz challenge trade? Even Fultz's wacky wild waving jump shot knocks down a 3 from time to time.
   808. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: November 13, 2019 at 10:31 PM (#5901007)
Harris/Fultz challenge trade? Even Fultz's wacky wild waving jump shot knocks down a 3 from time to time.

There's a stretch on the latest Simmons Podcast, with Kevin O'Connor, where they discuss potential Harris deals. Simmons starts off by calling the Harris contract 'very tradable' (or words to those effect). And KOC is like 'Are we sure? Are teams really want to pay him 28m this season?'... then he looks up the actual contract numbers and reads them out to Simmons, and the rest is comedy gold. I highly recommend it.

Start at around 17m 30s mark.

But in short, I don't think the Magic are making that trade. Harris has significantly negative trade value.
   809. jmurph Posted: November 13, 2019 at 10:34 PM (#5901008)
Obviously you’d have to add salary to make it work, but would Simmons/Embiid be enough to get Wiggins or
   810. smileyy Posted: November 13, 2019 at 10:36 PM (#5901009)
I can't tell if I'm trolling stiggles or empowering his Tobias Harris hatred.
   811. smileyy Posted: November 13, 2019 at 10:45 PM (#5901012)
Harris has a 5% trade kicker. Omg that contract. Sixers better hope that flags fly forever.
   812. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: November 14, 2019 at 07:56 AM (#5901025)
I am unsure of wtf is going on with Wiggins. He's playing ... productive, efficient basketball? With some team defence?
   813. PJ Martinez Posted: November 14, 2019 at 08:33 AM (#5901029)
The idea that O'Connor and Simmons land on in that Sixers discussion is that Philly should trade Harris for Chris Paul. You'd have to throw in Mike Scott, I think, to make the salaries work, and the trade couldn't happen until mid-January, but there are reasons to do that on both sides. Paul is capable of playing off-ball, and you could stagger his minutes a bit with Simmons... I don't know, I could see it potentially making sense. We'll know more, in any case, by the time it's even a possibility.
   814. spivey Posted: November 14, 2019 at 08:49 AM (#5901033)
You know, I wrote off Wiggins a couple of weeks ago, and still think that's probably right. But he's had 5 or more assists each of the last 5 games, which has to be a career first for him. Still dealing with small sample sizes. Towns seems committed to playing with more of a mean streak, which is good. Maybe the Timberwolves could be decent this year.

Oh, also, this is the year the Spurs aren't making the playoffs. I just don't see a way. Of course, I think I said that about this time last year.
   815. spivey Posted: November 14, 2019 at 08:50 AM (#5901035)
If I'm OKC I don't think I do the Paul/Harris deal without receiving some draft compensation.
   816. jmurph Posted: November 14, 2019 at 09:15 AM (#5901044)
During the Wolves broadcast they were talking about how everything is different with Wiggins, even the way he works out. Jim Peterson (on the broadcast team) shared a video of Wiggins from pre-game last year, just taking long two after long two after long two. And he talked about how that just doesn't happen anymore.

Grain of salt given the homerism, of course, but they do seem to have him taking a different approach entirely.
   817. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: November 14, 2019 at 09:25 AM (#5901046)
This really means nothing, but it is sort of cool:

ESPN: Lakers nearly perfect off LeBron’s passes

Wednesday night, LeBron James’ teammates made 12 of 13 shots off his passes, the highest percentage off his passes since he joined the Lakers. The only player to miss was Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (0-for-1).

PLAYER FG*
Kyle Kuzma 4-4
JaVale McGee 3-3
Jared Dudley 2-2
Avery Bradley 1-1
Danny Green 1-1
Dwight Howard 1-1

including five 3-PT FG
   818. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: November 14, 2019 at 09:37 AM (#5901049)

Oh, also, this is the year the Spurs aren't making the playoffs


I think this depends on Phoenix and Portland, and to a lesser extent on Minnesota and Dallas. I tend to think the latter two will get in, although it is still early ofc. Each team has a star, which is always Point A. Portland is 4-8 but you would think that they will do better. Phoenix is better than I thought they would be, but I am not sold that they are quite as good as they have looked. I was never seeing SAC in postseason, and I think NO probably cannot surge in a conference ecology like the West, although Williamson may be high-impact when he comes back. Presumably these five will be in:

LAL LAC UTAH DEN HOU

Many people, including me, saw POR and GS as likely playoff teams in preseason.

But yes, SA could easily miss out.
   819. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: November 14, 2019 at 09:43 AM (#5901053)
Good win for Houston last night, even though George was still not there for LAC. Harden scored 17 points in the last five minutes of the game. I have been thinking a little about where Harden fits historically; as I have said, I actually like watching him do his thing on O.
   820. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: November 14, 2019 at 10:21 AM (#5901066)
Udonis Haslem played for the Heat against the Pistons last night! I can't be alone in thinking he had been on the coaching staff for the last 5 years.

Total minutes played:
2013-14 653
2014-15 995
2015-16 260
2016-17 130
2017-18 72
2018-19 74
2019-20 5
   821. jmurph Posted: November 14, 2019 at 10:24 AM (#5901067)
Udonis Haslem played for the Heat against the Pistons last night! I can't be alone in thinking he retired 5 years ago.

This has been one of my favorite random things to follow, they just keep giving him new contracts. Surely they could use the roster spot in another way and just pay him to be a coach?
   822. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 14, 2019 at 10:33 AM (#5901070)
Tim MacMahon @espn_macmahon

Russell Westbrook: “Pat Bev trick y’all, man, like he playing defense. He don’t guard nobody, man. He just running around, doing nothing.” Made sure to note that James Harden scored 47 tonight.


Rockets/Clips would be a feisty, entertaining playoff series.

Kirk Goldsberry @kirkgoldsberry

Top Harden Defenders*, Last 2 seasons
(Harden points per 100 matchups)

1. Patrick Beverley (11.1)
2. Zach LaVine (14.0)
3. Wes Matthews (17.1)
4. D. Finney-Smith (21.8)
5. David Nwaba (23.4)

*Out of 54 players with at least 35 matchups v. Harden

Kirk Goldsberry @kirkgoldsberry

Harden was 0-for-6 from the floor when defended by Beverley last night


I don't think anyone has questioned Beverly's defense before...

Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA

Pascal Siakam last season: 29% of 3-point attempts came from above the he break. He shot 27% on those.

Pascal Siakam this season: 75% of 3-point attempts have come from above the break. He's shooting 42% on those.

Two seasons ago, Pascal Siakam averaged 7 points per game


The Raptors really have something working on their player devel......wait, go back real quick. Zach Lavine on a list showing good defense??? Maybe the strip clubs in Chicago are better than I realized.
   823. jmurph Posted: November 14, 2019 at 10:40 AM (#5901074)
Tim MacMahon @espn_macmahon

Russell Westbrook: “Pat Bev trick y’all, man, like he playing defense. He don’t guard nobody, man. He just running around, doing nothing.” Made sure to note that James Harden scored 47 tonight.

Saw some jokes that this is a bit rich coming from Westbrook.
   824. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: November 14, 2019 at 10:52 AM (#5901079)
[822] is a Quality Post all around.
   825. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5901110)
You know, I wrote off Wiggins a couple of weeks ago, and still think that's probably right. But he's had 5 or more assists each of the last 5 games, which has to be a career first for him. Still dealing with small sample sizes. Towns seems committed to playing with more of a mean streak, which is good. Maybe the Timberwolves could be decent this year.


During the Wolves broadcast they were talking about how everything is different with Wiggins, even the way he works out. Jim Peterson (on the broadcast team) shared a video of Wiggins from pre-game last year, just taking long two after long two after long two. And he talked about how that just doesn't happen anymore.

Grain of salt given the homerism, of course, but they do seem to have him taking a different approach entirely.


Trade him now! Before he turns back into a pumpkin! The clock's ticking!!
   826. Booey Posted: November 14, 2019 at 12:03 PM (#5901114)
#822 (re: Harden strip club defense) -

I found it amusing that list showed SLC as having some of the best strip clubs in the league. I never thought they were anything spec...

...I mean, I have no idea how good the strip clubs in Salt Lake are. I've never been to any of them. There are strip clubs here? Huh.
   827. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 14, 2019 at 12:06 PM (#5901116)
If I'm OKC I don't think I do the Paul/Harris deal without receiving some draft compensation.
if i'm PHI, i don't do that deal without receiving nerlens noel.
   828. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: November 14, 2019 at 12:50 PM (#5901130)
I found it amusing that list showed SLC as having some of the best strip clubs in the league. I never thought they were anything spec...

...I mean, I have no idea how good the strip clubs in Salt Lake are. I've never been to any of them. There are strip clubs here? Huh.

Repressed people are the most deviant perverts.
   829. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: November 14, 2019 at 01:22 PM (#5901143)
Kirk Goldsberry @kirkgoldsberry

Harden was 0-for-6 from the floor when defended by Beverley last night


To be fair I'm guessing all 6 of those shots were wild flails trying to draw a foul.
   830. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: November 14, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5901149)
How many of them did in fact draw a foul?
   831. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 14, 2019 at 01:39 PM (#5901153)
I never thought they were anything spec...


But are they real?
   832. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 14, 2019 at 01:45 PM (#5901154)
How many of them did in fact draw a foul?

If it drew a foul, it wouldn't be counted in the 0 for 6 part; worth noting Beverly did foul out too.
   833. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: November 14, 2019 at 02:05 PM (#5901159)
I was watching Beverley defending Harden. A lot of it constituted running and then suddenly stopping and having Harden bump into him. Occasionally being sort of crouched on the floor so Harden would also fall down when he bumped into him. Westbrook is right that it was strange although it was still defense. However I think Beverley should also be credited with "defense" on some of Harden's many wide-open shots from 6 feet beyond the arc.
   834. nick swisher hygiene Posted: November 14, 2019 at 05:53 PM (#5901222)
823–? Beverley caused Westbrook’s knee injury during that 2013 playoff series; at least, that’s what Russ and basically everybody who was in the building thinks

But it’s not a factual claim, it’s a putdown—

he’s calling him, to paraphrase Miles Davis, a non-defense-playing ############.
   835. JJ1986 Posted: November 14, 2019 at 07:13 PM (#5901237)
This is my first time watching the Cavs this season, but how do they defend anyone? It's not like they counter having multiple terrible defenders with having a few good ones. They only have bad defensive players.
   836. smileyy Posted: November 14, 2019 at 07:50 PM (#5901247)
Given his scoring and passing, I'm still not sure there's anyone I'd pick over LeBron James to win a championship *this year*.
   837. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: November 14, 2019 at 08:01 PM (#5901252)
Jj1986, beats me.
   838. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 14, 2019 at 08:19 PM (#5901255)
Fiz on the Knicks' iso basketball: "I don't hear anybody b-tching about Houston isolating, they hold the ball the whole game but they score 1,000 points”

(via @sny_knicks)
   839. tshipman Posted: November 14, 2019 at 08:31 PM (#5901261)
This is my first time watching the Cavs this season, but how do they defend anyone? It's not like they counter having multiple terrible defenders with having a few good ones. They only have bad defensive players.


Just for the record, the Cavs are currently the 7th seed in the East, which is really just lol.

I don't think they should rebalance seeding so much as send half of the East to the G league.
   840. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: November 14, 2019 at 08:33 PM (#5901263)
Well, the solution there would seem to be scoring 1,000 points yourself, which would probably quiet all that nasty ########.
   841. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: November 14, 2019 at 08:58 PM (#5901270)
Coby White looks pretty good tonight.
   842. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 14, 2019 at 09:05 PM (#5901273)
Melo to Blazers.
   843. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: November 14, 2019 at 09:09 PM (#5901275)
“That’ll help.”
   844. nick swisher hygiene Posted: November 14, 2019 at 09:54 PM (#5901284)
Stealth tank move?
   845. DCA Posted: November 14, 2019 at 10:17 PM (#5901287)
Given his scoring and passing, I'm still not sure there's anyone I'd pick over LeBron James to win a championship *this year*.

Even Kawhi? Less passing, more defense.

Kawhi, James, and Curry are the only active players who have ever led a team to a championship, and Curry is hurt. Picking anyone other than James or Kawhi would be a hot take.
   846. smileyy Posted: November 14, 2019 at 10:35 PM (#5901289)
You're probably giving Durant short shrift to Durant, and also yeah, that's a good point about the hot take.

And yeah, I'd still take LeBron over Kawhi.

Besides, I don't think Kawhi could turn JaVale McGee and late-career Dwight Howard into useful players.
   847. spivey Posted: November 14, 2019 at 11:06 PM (#5901295)
I’m taking Giannis over LeBron all day you short sample size tea leave reading #############
   848. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: November 15, 2019 at 07:56 AM (#5901328)
The Cavs are 11th in the league in defensive rating!? That’s gotta be a small sample outcome.

(Wiz, who give up 140 every few games, are 29th and the Warriors are last.)
   849. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: November 15, 2019 at 08:26 AM (#5901333)
Wiggins most improved player? He is doing a credible impression of a good basketball player.
   850. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: November 15, 2019 at 08:33 AM (#5901337)
Wiggins most improved player?

I think Siakam is, unbelievably, making a case to repeat the award. It's bananas.
   851. spivey Posted: November 15, 2019 at 08:52 AM (#5901343)
I'd like to see Wiggins keep it up. He's been so bad for so long. Now his rebounds and most importantly assists are up this year, but are still only where they should be (or maybe even still a bit low) for a wing who has the ball as much as he does. A good amount of his improvement is just shooting percentage, and I want to see that continue. His attempts that are 16ft<3pt are significantly down, but mostly have gone to 3-10ft shots which while being a slightly better shot for him is still a low percentage shot.

It's early, but I think the improvement of Siakam, Doncic, Isaac, Hayward, Trae Young, Adebayo and Baynes look much more exciting to me.

--

Eric Bledsoe was a beast last night, dominating the Bulls physically and was able to get to the basket almost at will. It was needed because Milwaukee was careless with the ball and Chicago greatly won the variance game at 3s. Bledsoe can have confidence issues in the playoffs and isn't a good shooter, but he's a good player and he plays hard. I know he wasn't always like that, but I like rooting for him.

--

While looking for potential MIP candidates, I clicked on Miami's page. Who the hell is Kendrick Nunn? This guy is averaging 20/game on nice percentages. Waiters Island is about to be sold!
   852. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: November 15, 2019 at 08:57 AM (#5901348)
Like, I don't think that Wiggins is ever going to be worth his contract; but if he's just good, that's a huge difference for the Wolves. Much of the improvement in Wiggins is entirely within his control -- making basic passes, forgoing those terrible Kobe style midrangers, going to the basket. A lot of it is possible because the system has changed, and while it'd be a bit rich to blame all of his disappointing performance on the previous coaches/front offices, it is pretty remarkable how a more modern approach is opening up space for Wiggins to do what he is actually good at.
   853. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: November 15, 2019 at 09:03 AM (#5901352)
Too, there's an interesting article over on Canis Hoopus arguing that Wiggins' game is strongly benefited by playing without Teague, and that the Wolves should basically run with Point Wiggins more. It's not like they're kneecapping their playoff chances by doing so, and they can grow Culver and Wiggins at the same time. I dunno, but it's sort of nice to have options, for a change?
   854. jmurph Posted: November 15, 2019 at 09:43 AM (#5901365)
Too, there's an interesting article over on Canis Hoopus arguing that Wiggins' game is strongly benefited by playing without Teague, and that the Wolves should basically run with Point Wiggins more. It's not like they're kneecapping their playoff chances by doing so, and they can grow Culver and Wiggins at the same time. I dunno, but it's sort of nice to have options, for a change?

I love this idea and think it's worth running with to see how it plays out.
   855. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: November 15, 2019 at 09:46 AM (#5901367)
I love this idea and think it's worth running with to see how it plays out.

Yeah, the interesting thing will be to see that, if they take this route, how much spine will the team show when things are going badly?
   856. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 15, 2019 at 11:04 AM (#5901399)
Here's a question:

Who would you rather have for the next 5 years: Siakam or Paul George?
   857. DCA Posted: November 15, 2019 at 11:14 AM (#5901404)
Talent alone, I go with George.

Including contract, Siakam's about $30m cheaper this year, and $6m therefore. That makes it closer. Probably the answer depends on how concerned you are about George's health going forward.
   858. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 15, 2019 at 11:30 AM (#5901410)
Also depends on if you believe this latest jump for Siakam is here to stay.
   859. jmurph Posted: November 15, 2019 at 11:32 AM (#5901411)
Also depends on if you believe this latest jump for Siakam is here to stay.

Yep that's pretty much it right there. If this is for real, his current numbers aren't far off from George's (full season, to be clear) great numbers from last year, when George was 3 years older than Siakam is now.

On the other hand, this could just be an incredible stretch and then he'll fall back to being "just" a normal All Star, which makes it a lot tougher.
   860. TFTIO is building his own mealworm farm Posted: November 15, 2019 at 11:33 AM (#5901413)
I'm a Siakam believer, and I'd worry about George's injury history. But it's close.
   861. tshipman Posted: November 15, 2019 at 11:38 AM (#5901416)
Also depends on if you believe this latest jump for Siakam is here to stay.


Right, Siakam's numbers have cooled off significantly from the first couple games. He's really not that far ahead of where he was last year.

A lot of this is just how believable you think the 3p shooting is. If you think the elbow shooting off the dribble is for real, then great, but I think it's probably a little more of an illusion.
   862. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: November 15, 2019 at 12:14 PM (#5901437)
538 put out 2019-20 raptor #s, which reminds me both that their d assessments are ... interesting ... and just how sensitive +/- can be to small samples.
   863. JJ1986 Posted: November 15, 2019 at 12:21 PM (#5901440)
Ben Taylor had Nate Silver on his pod to talk about RAPTOR and kind of made it sound useless, or at least not better than other public metrics.
   864. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: November 15, 2019 at 02:23 PM (#5901488)
The games where you team shoots for absolute #### from 3 are the worst unless you have Giannis where you get enough 2s and free throws to barely compensate. The game last night was brutal for the Bucks. No one guy was killing them just everyone was missing 3s.
   865. jmurph Posted: November 15, 2019 at 02:24 PM (#5901489)
This is funny:
Zach Kram @zachkram
Stat of the Day #25!

We’re nearly a month into the season, and somehow the Pacers haven’t played a single game against a team with a winning record. (That streak ends tonight when they visit Houston.)
   866. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: November 15, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5901490)
i've been meaning to listen to that one. raptor is a good idea - and i like that they made some different choices there - but some of the outcomes (on d in particular, and arguably wrt position) don't pass the sniff test.
   867. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 15, 2019 at 04:54 PM (#5901544)
Lowe covers the Bulls' shooting today in his column, and Markkanen specifically - Lauri has been both bad and terribly passive (his lack of FGA has been a story all year - he went 0 for 2 in the 2nd half last night).
   868. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: November 15, 2019 at 08:36 PM (#5901573)
The Blazers have signed Melo.

This is going to be the move that finally gets Stotts fired.

What in the hell are they thinking? Do Olshey and Stotts want to get fired? Are they just over the Portland thing now?
   869. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 15, 2019 at 09:35 PM (#5901577)
After dropping off my passenger at JFK airport, I turned on the radio and I thought I was twilight zoned into a stiggles-verse. “Jonah Bolden fouls TLC”!

Then the announcer said that I was listening to the LI Nets station. Oh well.
   870. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 15, 2019 at 09:47 PM (#5901580)
After dropping off my passenger at JFK airport, I turned on the radio and I thought I was twilight zoned into a stiggles-verse. “Jonah Bolden fouls TLC”!

Then the announcer said that I was listening to the LI Nets station. Oh well.
i literally just did this.
   871. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 15, 2019 at 09:52 PM (#5901581)
   872. Red Voodooin Posted: November 15, 2019 at 10:38 PM (#5901584)
It's probably still Zion's to lose, but the RoY so far has definitely been Brandon Clarke, right?
   873. PJ Martinez Posted: November 15, 2019 at 10:49 PM (#5901585)
My sense is that Clarke's teammate has the most early buzz.
   874. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: November 15, 2019 at 11:10 PM (#5901587)
With time running out in the 1st, Rondo ends up taking a 28-footer. Kings collect the airball and then banks in a bomb from behind the half-court line.

Damn, but I hate me some Rajon Rondo. Always have, always will, and it's a totally rational hate.
   875. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: November 16, 2019 at 12:19 AM (#5901590)
This is the worst game I've ever seen Anthony Davis play.
   876. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: November 16, 2019 at 01:03 AM (#5901592)
Except for that last block.
   877. Tin Angel Posted: November 16, 2019 at 01:17 AM (#5901593)
Most commonly heard phrase while watching the Warriors in bars so far this year- “Who was that?”
   878. puck Posted: November 16, 2019 at 02:30 AM (#5901596)
Bol Bol played in the G League Friday. 8 points, 9 rebounds, and 4 blocks in 17 minutes.
   879. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: November 16, 2019 at 11:41 AM (#5901624)
Houston has not lost since I posted about them, and they are now 16th in DRTG. Their SRS is 2.36, and the PYTH is 7-5 with the early blowout losses. Boston is leading the NBA in ORTG, and the Lakers are #1 in DRTG, and I think both of those numbers, even through 12 games, are a little surprising.
   880. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: November 16, 2019 at 11:59 AM (#5901629)
Man I do not like what I am seeing from the Sixers.

Harris is a mess.

Simmons is determined never to shoot the ball unless absolutely necessary, which is unfortunate since the rest of the league is aware of this fact and plays defense accordingly. (At least he's a good defender.)

Everyone else on the team except Horford is the other way around: they're looking for shots and passing only when they have to. Embiid in particular, he'll get the ball in the post and it's so obvious when he makes up his mind that he is going to shoot, no matter what. If his defender is any good (Steven Adams is good) it usually results in him jacking up a terrible hotly contested shot--extra problematic when the team's best rebounder is the guy taking the hopeless 12 foot fallaway.

They've tried running a few pick-and-rolls now and then, but you can tell their heart's not really in it.

If I'm Elton Brand I'm pretty sure my strategy is wait for Stotts to get fired, which should be right around the holidays, and send Brown packing the same day. Coach is the only position they can realistically seek an upgrade.
   881. Mellow Mouse, Benevolent Space Tyrant Posted: November 16, 2019 at 12:50 PM (#5901638)
D Russell sprained his thumb and is getting an MRI. Clearly the GSW pact with the devil has come due and the bills are being paid.
   882. calming him down with his 57i66135 Posted: November 16, 2019 at 01:17 PM (#5901645)
If I'm Elton Brand I'm pretty sure my strategy is wait for Stotts to get fired, which should be right around the holidays, and send Brown packing the same day. Coach is the only position they can realistically seek an upgrade.

that's not really true.

also, i'm about 68% sure that elton brand works for brett brown, rather than the other way around.
Harris is a mess.
correct.
   883. It's regretful that PASTE was able to get out Posted: November 16, 2019 at 01:31 PM (#5901651)
D Russell sprained his thumb and is getting an MRI. Clearly the GSW pact with the devil has come due and the bills are being paid.


The catastrophic injuries to two of their three best players in the Finals didn’t tip you off?

Watching Harris last year left me with the impression he has the skills to be Klay Lite, and that’s the best version of him: run around like a maniac off the ball, hit 40% of your catch-and-shoot threes, open things up for your teammates, and hold your own on defense. But instead, since getting paid he’s been doing his best Andrew Wiggins impression. It’s weird.

e: Actually that might not be apt. Wiggins’ problem was entirely that he was addicted to the long contested jumper; now that he’s doing that less and attacking the rim more, he’s a better player. Harris does jack too many contested 2s, but he also attacks the rim too much when he doesn’t have the athleticism to finish through defenders. He’d be a terror if he stuck to taking open shots and open drives, and working his ass off creating them off the ball.
   884. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: November 16, 2019 at 03:37 PM (#5901678)
Fanbase Misery Rankings. Trying to blend recent history, current results, hope for future, passed-on-Luka-ness, and intangibles:

1 - Knicks - Duh.
2 - Kings - No playoff appearances since 2005-06. Fox is exciting but is now hurt. Bagley is interesting but was taken over Luka for some reason.
3 - Pistons - Blake had four amazing months last year and then was hurt. Luke Kennard the only drafted player of consequence since Drummond, and they took him over Mitchell. No playoff wins in over a decade.
4 - Bulls - Had the Blog Boys excited this preseason but not going to playoffs, no super duper star young talent.
5 - Wizards - Have Beal and a high-powered offense, so I guess it's at least fun version of bad. Zero postseason success ever.
6 - Thunder - Have kitty full of future picks, but it must not be fun still looking back on what could've been. Team of the decade just going poof.
7 - Hornets - Probably should be higher but kind of feel like maybe finally hitting rock bottom might be some sort of relief, plus young guys look ok so far, even if none project as a cornerstone.
8 - Hawks - Is Trae fun enough to be ok with passing on Luka? Collins is suspended. There's probably a big drop from top seven to here.
9 - Cavs - Could be higher but flags fly forever and they had a parade this decade.
10 - Probably the Magic. Spurs (stuck in mud?)? Blazers (WCF last year but is there upside going forward?)? Pacers (always good, but also not seeing upside)? Wolves ( Towns and Early Season Wiggins enough to feel ok with everything?)
   885. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: November 16, 2019 at 03:41 PM (#5901679)
Paste spends more time thinking about Wiggins and Stotts than their agents do. Ha.

Here are Wiggins' make %s from 3-10/10-16/16-3P:

THIS YEAR: .460/.429/.385
LAST YEAR: .341/.340/.329
CAREER: .401/.336/.343

His USG is up from last year, significantly: 24.4 to 28.2.

He obviously has changed his approach, but I would wonder if the tracking data shows that he is getting cleaner looks, or if he has changed his mechanics, or whatever, because "he finally got smarter" is not all that is going on: the guy is just hitting a lot more shots. He is also up to .361 on 3s, and is at .334 career. So we will see.
   886. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: November 16, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5901682)
I know that the 90s and late 80s were a long time ago, but I am not sure I can see Chicago and Detroit that high on a Misery Index, especially since Detroit won a title and had several good teams in the 00s, and if Minnesota is not on the list. I guess it depends on how much you value banners from the past vs. having many good teams that didn't actually win, and you should factor current hope level in there as well. Let's see:

1. New York
2. Sacramento
3. Washington
4. Charlotte
5. Atlanta
6. Minnesota
7. Orlando

Milwaukee has had a lot of rough times, but they are in an exciting time right now. Ditto the Clippers.



   887. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: November 16, 2019 at 03:57 PM (#5901686)
I didn't know how to rank Timberwolves, like is Towns exciting enough, or at all? And I guess being a Detroit fan probably biased me into thinking it's worse than it is, but the fun times are more than a decade ago now. Bulls even longer, though they had at least one great year this decade.

Certainly can't compare to 50 years of stink like Washington or New York. (edit - know the Knicks had some good years, of course).
   888. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: November 16, 2019 at 04:06 PM (#5901688)
887

Well, obviously this is just a fun opinion type of deal, so I am not arguing. I think you were focusing more on right now, whereas I was looking more at the franchise's historical arc. Being a Minnesota fan is probably pretty cool THIS WEEK, but that franchise has had a very rough go overall: one playoff appearance since 2004 plus Taylor/Kahn/Smith/Rambis/Thibodeau etc. Also, we don't know yet that Towns will stay there until he is in his 30s--he might do the Anthony Davis thing a little later in his prime if things do not go well.

As to Det and Chi, Pistons fans over about age 25 probably remember the 2004 team and while the Jordan Era is way in the rearview, fans ~35 and up were there for it, and that is a lot of folks. YMMV.
   889. Tin Angel Posted: November 16, 2019 at 04:28 PM (#5901691)
Phoenix has to be up there.
   890. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: November 16, 2019 at 04:37 PM (#5901693)
Yes, good point. I could see putting them 8th, but they have had some very good and exciting teams--but ofc no titles.

1. New York
2. Sacramento
3. Washington
4. Charlotte
5. Atlanta
6. Minnesota
7. Orlando
8. Phoenix

Portland has had many good teams and one memorable champion a long time ago, but if there was a Fan Haunted Index, I think they get that one.
   891. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: November 16, 2019 at 08:28 PM (#5901746)
Was definitely weighing current (like, this month) results too much when not including Phoenix.
   892. Athletic Supporter is USDA certified lean Posted: November 16, 2019 at 11:03 PM (#5901773)
So, um, if the Spurs decide to rebuild, hypothetically, do the DeRozan and Aldridge contracts have positive or negative trade value? Not whether they should, but whether in practice they would.
   893. Mike A Posted: November 17, 2019 at 12:33 AM (#5901782)
The Hawks made an ECF a few years back and just got done with a 10-year playoff run. It's not like they were awful until the 2018 tank year.

Now overall, yeah, you could make the case that the Hawks are up there in the fan misery index. No titles since I've been a fan, and just a few years where they had a legit shot (Bird and James said 'sorry'). There was the Dr. J lawsuit, Marvin Williams over Chris Paul, the Dominique trade, etc.

But on the flip side, the Hawks have generally been pretty good and relatively fun to watch. I haven't felt that miserable. And that looked like it might continue with the Trae years until Collins decided to derail the train. But they're (very) young, and we'll see going forward.
   894. PJ Martinez Posted: November 17, 2019 at 08:32 AM (#5901796)
Paul George has played 44 minutes and has scored 70 points.

Those MIL-LAC Finals picks still look good to me.
   895. sardonic Posted: November 17, 2019 at 12:22 PM (#5901815)
So, um, if the Spurs decide to rebuild, hypothetically, do the DeRozan and Aldridge contracts have positive or negative trade value? Not whether they should, but whether in practice they would.


I think they are positive. They only need to be better players than the salaries they'd need to be traded for. If DeRozan isn't better than DLo, at least he's bigger, and he can't be worse on defense. If the Spurs are rebuilding, at least DLo is younger. YMMV as to whether you think that means the contract is positive or not...

Man looking at potential trades for DLo in the offseason, and Otto Porter looks interesting. If I squint, I could see Ender Wiggins being a rich man's Harrison Barnes in between Curry, Klay, Draymond and Looney. I wonder if they could shake loose someone like a James Johnson, Jonas Valanciunis or someone like that for a 1st round pick and squeeze them into the Iguodala trade exception.
   896. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: November 17, 2019 at 12:24 PM (#5901816)
How concerning is it that Kawhi has missed three games in the last two weeks and did not play particularly well in the three games that he did play? (Lots of points but poor shooting and a lot of turnovers). I didn't see him play but did he look good physically?
   897. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: November 17, 2019 at 01:59 PM (#5901828)
Spurs had kept their ratio of 3-point attempts to mid-range attempts above 1 ... until they had 18 3PA & 32 mid-range FGA vs. Portland last night. Ratio now stands at 0.97.

Next lowest is Indiana: 1.32.
Rockets' ratio is 9.29.


----

Man looking at potential trades for DLo in the offseason, and Otto Porter looks interesting

Unless the Bulls are giving up on Lavine (and White), there's no fit for DLo.
   898. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: November 17, 2019 at 06:57 PM (#5901854)
Alright, I think I get pops answer, but I am disappointed his answer to the replacement coach question wasnt 'Becky was'.
   899. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 17, 2019 at 07:54 PM (#5901861)
Judging from the box score, Tobias Harris was worth his contract for one day.
   900. rr: calming the thread down with my arms Posted: November 17, 2019 at 08:00 PM (#5901864)
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