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Yep, that's what I meant, you put it much more precisely than I did. So I shouldn't have said talent- they clearly have a lot of young talent- but I'll say I think they're lacking in currently in their prime, top end players, in comparison to their fellow top 6ish teams.
McTominay is definitely just a 'he's there' type of player. However, he's mobile and energetic, which is a lot better than Matic, who is much better with the ball but a statue otherwise. Pogba, Martial and Rashford's turnovers were definitely worrisome. Ever since his return to United, Pogba hasn't looked good as a deeper midfielder. Defensively he loses concentration and the losing the ball bit is really problematic. I guess a double pivot of McTominay and Matic or Fred might be better for Pogba with Perreira dropping to somewhere like Newcastle (Steve Bruce does love his former United players). All goes back to Mefisto's point about United's inability to sign proper midfielders.
Mangala off to Valencia.
Cavani is apparently whatever Miami's MLS team's first marquee signing.
I don't think that's what they called. I think they called it back because the defender who came in and cleared the ball after the missed shot took a couple steps into the box before the kick was taken.
That was my understanding too, but the announcers weren't clear about it.
Oh well, should at least be a real test for Wolves.
And Frankfurt will likely face Strasbourg, but even though they are from France they are rather weak. Espanyol, PSV and especially Ajax (if they lose to PAOK) face even weaker teams, and should all advance fairly easily.
I think it is mostly random draw, but not entirely. AFAIK, they still split the qualifying into 2 separate paths. Basically the losers from the Champions path of the CL qualifying go into their own bracket. Since the Champions who have to play in that qualifying round tend to come from leagues that are... not good. And the teams that lose tend to be really... not good, it basically results in sequestering off a bunch of really... not good teams. Which makes it more likely that the good teams from much better leagues have to face off against each other. But it still takes quite a bit of the ol' luck of the draw, for it to actually happen.
Hmmmm I don't think so, they kept replaying the goalie's feet and then replayed the goalie's feet again after the second take. Googling... and you're correct! So the tv guys were just dummies I guess.
That does make me feel slightly better, that's a legit call. The article I read also said VAR won't be used for the goalie moving off the line thing in the Premier League, that will be left to the on field official. In terms of justice, Aguero took a bad penalty and didn't deserve a second one, but I'm fully aware of the correlation between deserve and something to do with it.
One of the biggest issues with VAR is that it’s not always clear what is being reviewed. They talked about it on the Football Weekly podcast. She was at a game and they showed a note on the video screen that said “VAR - Red Card” but no one knew what the incident was.
Baseball has a similar issue with replay but the nature of baseball makes it obvious 99% of the time what is being reviewed. Soccer isn’t so linear and it’s not always clear. There needs to be a way to keep fans in the loop.
Ajax needs a win or a 3-3 draw at home to advance, and would be massively disappointing if they cannot do that. My understanding is the Van de Beek sale has been delayed until Ajax are able to get through to the group stages.
Basel have to overturn a result on the road, and Zagreb need to get a result on the road as well. Celtic, Porto, Copenhagen, and Olympiakos are sitting prettier, but it's not done yet. Dynamo Kiev and Club Brugge are playing as well.
Especially for Red Cards, where it can be for something that is happening away from the ball, where nobody is looking at all...
IT'S GIROUD!
The weakest Europa teams to make the playoff round will probably be Linfield (who should be easy pickings for Qarabag), Ararat (who face Dudelange), the winner of Helsinki/Riga (who should be easy pickings for Copenhagen), and then Dudelange themselves. That's a nice draw for Dudelange.
2) penalty kicks to end a game should be a couple of yards back from the normal spot. Make it more of a challenge. "don't miss, and hope the keeper doesn't guess right" shouldn't be all it takes.
That's an excellent point. I've always hated the hands in the air. In what other sport does a player stop trying their hardest in order to get the call? NBA flopping I suppose.
If they have to have a way to decide games that doesn't involve playing soccer, there must be a million more interesting ways to do it.
You can whine, and moan about it all you want, and try to come up with whatever fantastical alternatives you like. But understand that it is never going to happen, and all you are doing is masturbating to your own fantasies.
This is correct. A lot of Europeans who bother to think about it agree, as well.
Let's analyze WHY nobody outside of the US thinks it's a problem instead of insulting everybody. Here's what I think:
Soccer has limited substitutions and people running continually, therefore at the end of the game, everyone is exhausted so the game can't continue indefinitely. This doesn't apply to any US sports - football is similar in that people can't keep bashing into each other indefinitely, but NFL games won't just go on forever in overtime. Someone will kick a field goal pretty soon.
In soccer, the game might go on forever because it's already a low-scoring game and they may be too tired to score a goal. Or they will only score a goal because the defenders are too tired to move. This would also turn the game into a farce. Something has to give. The shootout is a lot better than a coin flip.
Other suggestions commonly floated: taking off a man from each side every five minutes of extra time (starting from the start of extra time, or just 5 minutes in). Having penalties prior to extra time, with the loser of the shootout starting extra time half a goal behind. There must be other ideas out there as well.
I suppose they could have all been ghostwritten by Americans, though.
Start extra time with a runner on third base.
I would say the current shootout rule is a lot like each baseball team starting 5 consecutive half innings with a man on third and no outs. If they can get at least one run in a half inning, it's like a penalty score. No runs, and no penalty score.
Yes, the current penalty rules in soccer really are that gimmicky. At least they are faster.
According to 538 and understat, the only winning team to do significantly better than their opponents by xG (most were worse) was Norwich, and West Ham got crushed but still managed a draw. Usually the more fancied teams will at least show up with an advantage in non-shot xG, but not today.
edit: 18-2. And a tie game. There's no way this game should be a draw right now.
10 minutes to go.
2-2 scoreline.
He just snuffed two City drives in a row without breaking a sweat.
I mean, I guess Spurs kind of did get destroyed other than the final scoreline.
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Spurs are so good getting defensive deflections on shots from the edge of the box. You really have to earn goals. Fun game. I mean I want to break things, but it was a fun game.
But the 'problem' here isn't with VAR, it's with the rule change. You can't influence a goal with your hand this season, accidental or not.
(For what it's worth, I hate that rule change.)
It was overturned by VAR, so I think it's fair to blame both!
538 xG: 3.5 - 0.2
understat 3.23 - 0.11
Caley: 3.3 - 0.2
edit: can't even argue scoreline effects. City was less dominant after the score was tied 2-2, since you can't count the Jesus goal that was called back.
Ding.
VAR got it "right", the rule just isn't what I would make it.
Anywhere else on the field, if that's seen by the ref and it gains an advantage for the attacking team, it's probably given as a foul.
What surprises me is how many people have consistently called for any foul in the box by the defense to be a penalty, no matter how unintentional, no matter to what extent intentionally drawn by the offense, and no matter how miniscule the scoring chance was absent the foul. Some of those same people are saying this goal should have counted. That seems inconsistent to me.
If that had been seen by the ref in real time even before this rule it would likely have been no goal. Not infrequently (before VAR) you would see an offensive player control the ball inadvertently with a hand/arm that is pumping normally with his stride, and if seen by the ref it was almost always called a foul. This really isn't any different except that goals are automatically reviewed.
A player either (1) gains control/possession of the ball and then scores or (2) creates a goal-scoring opportunity, in each case, after it has touched their hand/arm.
edit: or it could even be "in significant part as a result of it touching their hand/arm". Not sure whether that will be the interpretation or not, but probably.
I guess it's not 100% clear that it doesn't graze any other part of his body, but it is clear that the main deflection comes when it hits his arm. Without hitting the arm, the ball doesn't go to Jesus.
"Close to the body" is irrelevant for this rule. It is trumped by the bolded rule above.
The clear and obvious error is that the scoring chance was clearly and obviously created by the ball striking the arm. As far as I can tell, there is almost no one that thinks the rule was incorrectly applied in this case. People just don't like the rule (which I have some sympathy with.)
This seems to some extent inconsistent with the exceptions in the second paragraph of the rule. I'd say the same about the deflection (which I agree sent the ball to Jesus): if the ball deflected off some other body part first, then by the exceptions the goal should stand. And since I can't tell if it did deflect off some other body part first, I can't say there was "clear and obvious error".
I could be wrong about this, of course.
The game itself is pretty tedious through the opening 30, with the only real big event being an injury to Shea Groom that saw her stretchered off. Looked like a cracked rib at least, maybe a punctured lung in the process? Either way, yikes.
45 seconds later, and now it's 1-1. Alright!
Europa has a very different structure, with more than half the teams coming in via qualifying this week (6 through losses in the CL qualifying this week). So lots of the teams playing this week could make it through the group stages, and at least a few of them will have to.
Atleti up 1-0 on a Morata header. In the 38th minute, a Getafe player was red-carded with VAR aid. I didn't see the incident, so can't say if it was justified. To that point, Atleti hadn't picked up any cards of their own. But then, in the 41st and 42nd minutes Lodi picked up consecutive yellows and was sent off. Both incidents looked like they could be fouls, but both a little harsh for yellows. Screams of make-up call.
I don't know why the rule is written so poorly--it's almost like IFAB wrote it in some other language and then had a non-native speaker translate it into English.
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