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Saturday, February 29, 2020

OT Soccer Thread - Spring 2020

Other thread isn’t accepting comments so it’s time for a new thread!

Second Legs of the round of 16;

March 10;
Valencia-Atalanta (1-4)
Leipzig-Tottenham (1-0)

March 11;
PSG-Dortmund (1-2)
Liverpool-Atleti (0-1)

March 17;
ManCity-Real Madrid (2-1)
Juventus-Lyon (0-1)

March 18;
Bayern-Chelsea (3-0)
Barca-Napoli (1-1)

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   201. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Fred Posted: May 03, 2020 at 11:13 AM (#5947075)
On the lawsuit, is there any way to decouple the disparate playing/travel conditions from pay? Regardless of where the law comes down on the contracts and negotiations, the stuff like playing on AstroTurf is just ridiculous.
   202. Slutty Nutkins (CoB). Posted: May 03, 2020 at 11:54 AM (#5947084)
From ESPNFC

The Telegraph claims that Tottenham midfielder Tanguy Ndombele is determined to fight for his place at the club.

There have been numerous reports linking the Frenchman with a move to Barcelona after manager Jose Mourinho singled him out for criticism in the 1-1 draw at Burnley.

But, the newspaper says Ndombele wants to stay after acknowledging injuries and change in management have not helped him settle in his debut campaign in England.
   203. Mefisto Posted: May 03, 2020 at 12:24 PM (#5947094)
   204. Slutty Nutkins (CoB). Posted: May 03, 2020 at 12:42 PM (#5947105)
We shall see. Seems pretty stupid to not give a 2nd chance, but who knows if he can escape Jose's doghouse at this point.

Sounds like Foyth is gone as well.

Can't wait to see which downside Jose Approved Veterans Spurs bring in this window (whenever this window opens).
   205. spivey Posted: May 03, 2020 at 03:03 PM (#5947131)
Foyth I'd love to go out on loan, but if you can't and you get a team that gives you 20 million pounds for him I think you just take it and move along. He's a walking red card and his skill on the ball gets him into trouble as much as it helps the team out. I think he's similar to Stones was. If things break right, he could be great. But he could also just end up sucking.

For Ndombele, I think I'd sell him if we can get most/all of the money back. If you read the reports before he moved to Tottenham, he's had questions about his work ethic his entire career. How motivated is he to put in the seriously hard and painful work it is to get in world class shape? I've not seen it, and I frankly think too many Tottenham fans on CFC are giving him a free pass because of injuries and manager switch. This is a situation where the team knows the situation better than a fan - do they trust him to put in the work.

If he was able to put in the km/game that Eriksen did, I think Ndombele could be a top 3 midfielder in the league. It's a testament to how talented he is that he's made it to this level without, you know, being in shape.
   206. Baldrick Posted: May 03, 2020 at 04:26 PM (#5947148)
On the lawsuit, is there any way to decouple the disparate playing/travel conditions from pay? Regardless of where the law comes down on the contracts and negotiations, the stuff like playing on AstroTurf is just ridiculous.

Yes. They are separate claims. The judge found against the pay disparity claims grounded in the Equal Pay Act and Title VII as a summary judgment, but the playing condition arguments are still going forward and will (at least in theory) go to trial.
   207. Slutty Nutkins (CoB). Posted: May 04, 2020 at 09:34 PM (#5947655)
Wow ... I completely missed this story when it happened

Carlos Cordeiro has resigned as US Soccer Federation president three days after the organization filed legal papers in a gender discrimination case claiming female players had less physical ability and responsibility than men.

His decision elevated the former American midfielder Cindy Parlow Cone to become the first female president in the history of the federation.

Cordeiro announced his resignation on Twitter without telling the federation’s communications staff. He stepped down on a day several USSF board members issued extraordinary rebukes that criticized the governing body’s legal filings. Among them were Major League Soccer commissioner Don Garber and Cone, the federation’s vice-president.


Zoinks!

H/T Graun

Anyone know what was so offensive in the legal filings? The article from the Graun didn't elaborate?
   208. Slutty Nutkins (CoB). Posted: May 05, 2020 at 02:58 PM (#5948045)
One thing, now that I've thought about it and there have been postings like this where it appears Spurs will not have a transfer budget without raising funds is ... well, Spurs might very well not have a transfer budget without raising funds.

Ndombele might just be the best shot they've got of raising a decent amount of money.

I still think it is premature, but under the circumstances, I at least understand it ...
   209. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 05, 2020 at 03:30 PM (#5948057)
The law firm had to (or at least chose to) withdraw from representing US Soccer after this debacle. A certain firm I happen to know well has taken over the representation.
   210. Baldrick Posted: May 05, 2020 at 04:45 PM (#5948080)
Finally got my piece together on the USWNT ruling. It's really more a meta-commentary on the coverage of the case and the limits of antidiscrimination law.
   211. Baldrick Posted: May 05, 2020 at 04:48 PM (#5948081)
Anyone know what was so offensive in the legal filings?

Trying to show that the men and women were not doing equivalent work, they made a bunch of claims about how men are bigger and stronger and face higher levels of pressure because more people care about men's soccer. They have to face hostile crowds. Stuff like that.

It was all very bizarre and unnecessary, as shown by the fact that they had a perfectly strong case on the straightforward facts and really didn't need to go scorched earth on a flyer.
   212. Slutty Nutkins (CoB). Posted: May 05, 2020 at 06:11 PM (#5948128)
Thanks, that certainly explains the negative fallout from the filing.
   213. Mefisto Posted: May 05, 2020 at 07:07 PM (#5948165)
That's a good article Baldrick.
   214. Slutty Nutkins (CoB). Posted: May 06, 2020 at 09:03 AM (#5948280)
LOL ... tell us what you really think, Jorgelina!

Di Maria's wife continued the ill-feeling when discussing the city of Manchester and its female inhabitants.

"The people are all pasty-faced, prim and proper ... weird. They're walking down the street and you don't know if they're going to kill you or what. The food's disgusting. All the girls are all dolled up to the nines, perfectly made-up and there's me with my hair in a bun and with no make-up on," she added.

"We try to be closer when things go bad. I did not blame him for being there. I just told him, 'Darling, I want to kill myself, it is already night at 14:00 p.m. in the afternoon.'


ESPN has reached out to manchestermets for comment!
   215. spivey Posted: May 06, 2020 at 09:45 AM (#5948286)
Looks like the German government has given the Bundesliga the green light to start back up in May, with likely dates of beginning being May 15 or 22. I'm not sure what I think about starting back so soon, but I will be watching.
   216. Baldrick Posted: May 06, 2020 at 12:56 PM (#5948366)
Seems like a pretty bad idea to me, and I'm still skeptical it will actually happen. But I suppose I'm happy that someone is taking the first step since it will give us a much better sense of what is possible for everyone else.

It would certainly be nice to have some soccer to watch again.
   217. Slutty Nutkins (CoB). Posted: May 07, 2020 at 10:32 AM (#5948617)
Looks like May 16th is the day:

Soccer matches in Germany's top two divisions will begin without spectators from May 16, making it the first major European country to announce a return to top-flight soccer.

The announcement by the Deutsche Fußball Liga association on Thursday follows talks between Chancellor Angela Merkel and the leaders of Germany's 16 federal states that included a commitment to allow the Bundesliga to resume in the second half of May with strict hygiene protocols in place.


Link
   218. jmurph Posted: May 14, 2020 at 11:12 AM (#5950374)
Well I have no idea if it's smart or not but I am glad to have soccer coming back. I don't really care about the Bundesliga but I'll certainly watch.
   219. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 14, 2020 at 02:16 PM (#5950488)
League 1 and League 2 are voting to end their seasons (probably) and may use points per game as criteria for promotion.

In League 1, that means Wycombe Wanderers (GD +5) would replace Peterborough United (GD +28) in the promotion playoffs.

538 has Peterborough as the top team in League 1, and Wycombe as below average.


   220. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: May 16, 2020 at 09:25 AM (#5951142)
Giovanny Reyna in the starting XI for Dortmund.
   221. Mefisto Posted: May 16, 2020 at 09:31 AM (#5951145)
David put Uriah in the front line too.
   222. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: May 16, 2020 at 10:12 AM (#5951150)
So far so good from an entertaininment standpoint. I’m not missing the crowd as much as I expected though of course it is noticeable in its absence. I think there needs to be some work done to address the mix of sound. The field microphones seem to overwhelm the announcers at times but it stands to reason that way the field was miked up would be different when there are 0 people in the stands rather than 75,000. As it is I feel like It;m getting a good handle on just how much the stadium holds the noise.
   223. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 16, 2020 at 11:26 AM (#5951167)
Not missing the crowd. The players might be missing it though.

Freiberg with a shock winner on the road to Leipzig in the last minute of injury time, but called back on the truly narrowest of offsides. 1-1 draw still a bad result for Leipzig, and might even end the title chase for them.
   224. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 16, 2020 at 12:52 PM (#5951187)
Can a "bad run of form" really "continue" after a 2-month break?

Alternative theory--team isn't that good.
   225. Baldrick Posted: May 16, 2020 at 02:32 PM (#5951207)
Well, I enjoyed it. Wish the games were a little closer, but it was really nice to have some soccer back in my life.
   226. Baldrick Posted: May 17, 2020 at 11:12 AM (#5951422)
Wasn't especially excited about Köln-Mainz this morning but I was up and put it on. It's been marvelous. Much more fun than the blowouts I watched yesterday.
   227. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 17, 2020 at 12:29 PM (#5951436)
Bayern had a goal called back for offside. On the last pass only the goalie remained ahead of the recipient, Mueller. Not an easy call though, because the passer's foot was ahead of Mueller when the ball was played. The rule, though, is Mueller (any part of him other than his arms) only has to be ahead of the ball itself when the ball is played, not ahead of the ball player when the ball is played. Since the ball was played with the head of the passer, the ball was a couple feet back behind the foot of the ball player when it was played.

Offside looked like the correct call, then. However, the announcers confused matters by misstiating the rule, saying the pass itself went forward, therefore Mueller was offside. Whether the ball is passed forward or not actually anywhere in the rule, as we've seen on those short corner offside calls where the ball is passed backward to a player coming from an offside position.
   228. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: May 17, 2020 at 02:57 PM (#5951468)
I have to say I got passed the absence of the crowd pretty quickly. I was surprised by this.
   229. Slutty Nutkins (CoB). Posted: May 18, 2020 at 10:34 AM (#5951604)
I have to say I got passed the absence of the crowd pretty quickly. I was surprised by this.


Funny, when I pass, I get past the presence of the crowd pretty quickly ... but then, I've been to Burning Man 10 times ...

;)
   230. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: May 18, 2020 at 11:14 AM (#5951633)
I never remember which version of passed/past to use.
   231. Slutty Nutkins (CoB). Posted: May 18, 2020 at 11:43 AM (#5951649)
I think it depends on the crowd ...
   232. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: May 23, 2020 at 11:18 AM (#5953099)
Red card for Wolfsburg through VAR, probably seals this game. Was a weird one though. My first impression was that there was no way it was a red, and the two of them just got tangled up. But the more often I watched the replay (not even different angles, like the same replay), the worse it looked. And by the end I felt it was a solid red. Can't remember ever having that experience before.
   233. Baldrick Posted: May 23, 2020 at 12:59 PM (#5953121)
I watched Gladbach-Leverkusen this morning, and good lord were Gladbach awful. They were put under a lot of pressure, so I suppose I should credit the opposition. But it was really shocking that a team who was still potentially in the title race could be that bad.
   234. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 23, 2020 at 02:34 PM (#5953133)
Leverkusen started out the game running circles around them, but Gladbach ended up getting into the game quite a bit. Stats had it pretty even except for the penalty.

On the year, it was Gladbach with the very hot start, but they have probably never been better than any of the four teams now ahead of them (counting Leipzig with the game in hand), Leverkusen had a slow start but have turned it on in the second half of the season, and the other three are a clear step above.

   235. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: May 23, 2020 at 07:45 PM (#5953157)
See I thought the Wolfsburg red was harsh. I think it is one that looks a lot worse in slow motion.
   236. puck Posted: May 23, 2020 at 08:29 PM (#5953160)
It's been nice to have the games. I feel oddly disconnected from them. Some of it is I watched more EPL but some of it is the 2 month layoff.
   237. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: May 23, 2020 at 09:49 PM (#5953168)
I’m the opposite. I’ve been surprised at how much I’ve enjoyed the games. The lack of crowd is something I’ve stopped noticing pretty quickly.
   238. spivey Posted: May 26, 2020 at 02:45 PM (#5953602)
Bayern v Dortmund was a sloppy game, but an entertaining one. Pretty even to me. I thought Bayern looked more dangerous when they were breaking, but it seemed like Dortmund had the ball in Bayern's final 3rd more. I thought each team deserved a penalty. Boateng slipped and then flopped his body in the way of Haaland's shot. His upper arm blocked the shot and it looked like it was potentially on target (and if it was on target it was going to be a goal). And then one of the Dortmund defenders just absolutely barged Lewandowski to the ground late in the match. Looked like the defender was trying to shoulder barge him, but was a bit behind Lewandowski and really extended the arm. Those sorts of plays shouldn't be let go, and I think it's called a penalty in other game situations. I think the ref just didn't want to end the season on that call.

And speaking of, the season's over, probably. I guess there are enough games and guys are getting hurt enough to where if Lewandowski went down, maybe Bayern drops a fair number of points. But speaking of injuries, Haaland limped off the field in the 70th minute on a non-contact injury. I hope he's not too hurt.
   239. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: May 26, 2020 at 03:33 PM (#5953623)
I didn't see the game (thought it was a 2:30 start rather than noon) but I saw the Boateng play. As I understand it it wasn't even reviewed which...WTF? How is that not looked at? I hate replay and one of the zillion or so reasons I hate it is the stuff like this that gets ignored. If we're going to be stuck with it, fix this stuff.
   240. frannyzoo Posted: May 26, 2020 at 03:44 PM (#5953626)
The "crowd" at Leverkusen's Bay Arena is definitely in full voice tonight, but I'm sticking to listening to Lee Konitz (RIP) records with the "crowd" on mute.

Also, the "crowd" doesn't seem to be helping in terms of scoreline presently.
   241. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 26, 2020 at 04:10 PM (#5953637)
Totally forgot the games were on. Yeah, that's pretty much it for Bundesliga winner. Still an interesting battle for 4th place.
   242. spivey Posted: May 26, 2020 at 05:47 PM (#5953669)
I didn't see the game (thought it was a 2:30 start rather than noon) but I saw the Boateng play. As I understand it it wasn't even reviewed which...WTF? How is that not looked at? I hate replay and one of the zillion or so reasons I hate it is the stuff like this that gets ignored. If we're going to be stuck with it, fix this stuff.


No, it wasn't reviewed, and the announcers didn't even really talk about it. It was boggling to me. The first one said it took a deflection, but it was probably going wide. Then they showed the replay and it looks like it may not have been going wide, and the other announcer says that. They both seem to acknowledge it hit his arm, but I don't think either brought up a penalty either in the moment or the rest of the game.
   243. Baldrick Posted: May 26, 2020 at 06:11 PM (#5953672)
The more I think about the handball rule, the more I hate every conceivable version of the handball rule. I'm increasingly inclined to think the rule should be intentionally super-vague and require a judgment call from the referee. Which is insane. I'm just not sure it's worse than the attempt to specify the rule.
   244. KronicFatigue Posted: May 26, 2020 at 06:30 PM (#5953677)
Um, I'm confused about people talking about "not missing the crowds". I know the stands were empty, but on FS1 it sounded like there was a crowd. I presumed it was fake pumped in sounds. I hated it.
   245. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: May 30, 2020 at 09:29 AM (#5954474)
The streams I have been watching over here definitely have not had any sort of fake crowd noise. But going with fake crowd noise would definitely be a very fox thing to do. There's a lot of echo from sound bouncing around the empty arena, but I mostly got used to it pretty quickly.
   246. Pirate Joe Posted: May 31, 2020 at 07:31 PM (#5954616)
Um, I'm confused about people talking about "not missing the crowds". I know the stands were empty, but on FS1 it sounded like there was a crowd. I presumed it was fake pumped in sounds. I hated it.


It was especially bad in the Dortmund - Paderborn game today. A Paderborn player would shoot the ball 15 yards wide of the goal, and the "crowd" would go wild. A real crowd would have been groaning at how poor the shot was, but the fake "crowd" seemed to love it.

   247. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: May 31, 2020 at 08:01 PM (#5954619)
244 - I know I mentioned it the first week and there were no crowd sounds that week. I didn’t see any of this week’s action but last week I saw games with the fake crowds and it was neither plus or minus for me.
   248. Mefisto Posted: June 04, 2020 at 03:52 PM (#5955368)
Apparently Timo Werner is going to Chelsea. Seems like coals to Newcastle.
   249. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: June 05, 2020 at 06:54 AM (#5955462)
As a Newcastle supporter, we are used to getting coals, not just for xmas.
   250. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 05, 2020 at 10:26 PM (#5955743)
Gladbach with a big loss. They have Bayern next week as well. If they can't get a win there, they will only have 3 games left to catch Leverkusen. Won't be easy. They haven't had worse odds of finishing top 4 since late September or early October (when pundits were stupidly, or at least sensationally, calling them a contender for the Bundesliga this year.)
   251. jmurph Posted: June 11, 2020 at 09:56 AM (#5956784)
I really don't care much about La Liga but now I'm deeply upset that I don't get BeIn. Need more sports!
   252. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: June 13, 2020 at 11:01 AM (#5957118)
Watching Dortmund/Dusseldorf and Dortmund scored to go up 1-0. Unfortunately there was a VAR that evidently showed a ball brushing the hand of an attacking player at some point in the buildup. Admittedly, I didn’t see the replay (once the goal was scored I ran to throw in a load of laundry) but WTF?

Here’s the thing. I was watching at no point did I see anything that had me reacting to a possible handball. This is my fundamental hatred of replay in all sports. All too quickly it’s gone from “fix the egregious stuff” to “let’s find the slightest possible infraction to address.” This does not improve the fan experience in anyway. For me replay (in all sports) is doing more to ruin my enjoyment as a fan than anything else.
   253. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: June 13, 2020 at 11:03 AM (#5957119)
Just saw the replay and there’s no other way to say, that’;s a farce.
   254. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: June 13, 2020 at 11:24 AM (#5957121)
Erling Haland gets one chance and that’s all he needs.
   255. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: June 13, 2020 at 11:26 AM (#5957122)
Blegh, I had my entire rant all set up. But Haland ruined it with a Fergie-time winner.
   256. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 13, 2020 at 03:53 PM (#5957155)
I had forgotten Eriksen had moved to Inter. He managed to score a nutmeg goal on a corner against Napoli
   257. The_Ex Posted: June 13, 2020 at 10:16 PM (#5957212)
Give VAR (and all replay) 20 - 30 seconds to see if there is a problem, then call it. I agree with #252.
   258. nick swisher hygiene Posted: June 13, 2020 at 10:27 PM (#5957214)
What woudl be way better would be a minimal replay system designed to correct only the most egregious injustices.

For example, coach/manager challenges, but give them a very limited number—one per five league matches, or something like that, and only one challenge allowed per match. Use them all up, you’re done—which would force managers to save them, and possibly lead to a VAR orgy between two mediocre teams at the end of the season.....
   259. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: June 13, 2020 at 10:55 PM (#5957215)
My biggest problem with VAR isn't that they look for ticky tacky stuff. My main problem is that it actually changes the rules on the field.

Like the handball today, is purely called because they changed the standard to be literally any contact with the hand or arm, that is followed by a goal. That rule is an abomination. It makes a mockery out of the entire purpose of the handball rule. Incidental contact has never been a foul before, nor should it be. And the rule is entirely there because of VAR, because having easy binary yes/no calls, makes it easier to officiate via VAR. It's an atrocity.
   260. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: June 13, 2020 at 11:38 PM (#5957223)
I’m the Ex in 257. 30 seconds to review a call. If you can’t overturn it then get on with it.
   261. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 14, 2020 at 01:53 PM (#5957261)
Only the 1 point for Leverkusen today, so it's still very tight going into the last 3 games. Leverkusen with the slight edge over Gladbach still, with the 1-point lead.

Gladbach has Wolfsburg next, a good team that may or may not care about getting a Europa spot. Then they have Paderborn, almost certain to be relegated already, and finally Hertha, who has nothing to play for.

Leverkusen has Koln, who are not that bad really, and may want to take a point just to make sure they don't get relegated (which they won't anyway), then Hertha, and finally Mainz in a game that might decide relegation/CL spot on the final day of the season. That's one to keep an eye on.

edit: the 1-point was saved by the Leverkusen keeper with a great save on the last kick.
   262. jmurph Posted: June 15, 2020 at 08:34 AM (#5957324)
My biggest problem with VAR isn't that they look for ticky tacky stuff. My main problem is that it actually changes the rules on the field.

Like the handball today, is purely called because they changed the standard to be literally any contact with the hand or arm, that is followed by a goal. That rule is an abomination. It makes a mockery out of the entire purpose of the handball rule. Incidental contact has never been a foul before, nor should it be. And the rule is entirely there because of VAR, because having easy binary yes/no calls, makes it easier to officiate via VAR. It's an atrocity.

Bingo, all of this.
   263. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 17, 2020 at 02:59 PM (#5957907)
Sheffield United denied the win due to a failure of goal-line technology?
   264. The Marksist Posted: June 17, 2020 at 04:09 PM (#5957926)
Ladies and gentlemen, Raheeeeeeeem Sterrrrrlinggggg!



He's good.
   265. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 17, 2020 at 06:14 PM (#5957957)
Leipzig has been a very good team all year and deserves a CL spot. And will get one almost certainly.

We can hope, though, that they fail to beat Dortmund (preferably they lose) this weekend while Gladbach and Leverkusen both beat inferior opponents. That would keep it all going until the last week of the season, and who knows, maybe lightning strikes Leipzig and they fail to beat Augsburg, opening the door to both the other teams.
   266. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: June 17, 2020 at 06:48 PM (#5957963)
Had to listen on the radio due to work demands and it was absolutely hysterical to listen to the guys on the radio talk about David Luiz. Without seeing it it sounded like he played the worst game in the history of the sport.

The Sheffield-Villa game sounds like the GDS sure as hell didn’t work. On the plus side the announcers got a good ten minutes of material out of the word “occluded” after the official statement that the VAR was occluded from seeing the ball cross the line.
   267. Richard Posted: June 17, 2020 at 09:36 PM (#5957982)
Sheffield United denied the win due to a failure of goal-line technology?


Yes.

What a farce.
   268. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 17, 2020 at 11:27 PM (#5957988)
Hawk-Eye said it "unreservedly apologises", and acknowledged that the ball had gone over the line.

The company added it was the first time such an error had occurred in more than 9,000 matches using the system.

It explained that all seven of its cameras monitoring the goal were obscured by either the goalkeeper, a defender or the goalpost.
   269. nick swisher hygiene Posted: June 18, 2020 at 03:45 PM (#5958134)
So am I right that the NBC Sports gold $9.99 discount is not nearly as good a deal as they want it to seem?

Reading closely, it seems like they are saying

A). You can watch all live remaining Premier League games
and
B). You can watch live Premier League games with the NBC Gold Premier deal

while counting on my ASSUMING that

C). You can watch all remaining matches on NBC Gold WITH the Premier deal.
is also true.

And in fact I was assuming C to be the case!....but the Gold schedule seems actually NOT to include MOST OF the matches.

Is that right?

   270. Baldrick Posted: June 19, 2020 at 12:22 PM (#5958287)
Gold is garbage and you should definitely not buy it. It includes like two live games.

I just re-upped my Sling for a month and that'll do me fine.
   271. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 19, 2020 at 04:01 PM (#5958335)
De Gea certainly should have done better, but Bergwijn looks real good.
   272. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: June 19, 2020 at 05:14 PM (#5958351)
Dier played well all game and then one stupid mistake makes it a draw. Sigh.
   273. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 20, 2020 at 09:23 AM (#5958431)
Re: Gold. If you already have NBCSN then don't get it. You would have to check the schedule, but since the Premier League is staggering most of its matches (with a lot of matches during the week), I'd imagine very few matches would not be on NBCSN. Also the Premier League also knows how their bread is buttered. They'll move heaven and earth so that multiple matches involving big sides won't be kicking off at the same time. So, unless you must watch every Watford or Palace match, you'll be fine.

Leicester takes the late lead. It sounds likes all the Premier League teams (so far) are piping in the crowd noise.

Edit: and Watford get a late equalizer.
   274. Mefisto Posted: June 20, 2020 at 10:13 AM (#5958435)
@272: United doubled Spurs' xG, so I suppose you could blame Dier (and he was stupid on that play), but the team was pretty unimpressive all around.
   275. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 20, 2020 at 11:57 AM (#5958441)
Haaland is going to cost 150 million
   276. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 20, 2020 at 12:04 PM (#5958444)

Leicester takes the late lead. It sounds likes all the Premier League teams (so far) are piping in the crowd noise.
The crowd noise is on the broadcast only, not piped in. You can get some feeds without it, and they say as much at the start of many of the broadcasts. For example.

I much prefer the feeds without fake noise.
   277. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 20, 2020 at 12:07 PM (#5958445)
Arsenal is only about 50/50 to make Europa now (edit: actually maybe quite a bit less), and only if City really is banded. Otherwise far less.
   278. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 20, 2020 at 12:35 PM (#5958452)
Sky Sports also has a no fake fan noise version (as well as one with fake fan noise).
   279. spivey Posted: June 20, 2020 at 03:05 PM (#5958465)
I didn't watch the game but it's a shame to have as much attacking talent as Tottenham have and still put up these unimpressive offensive performances. I guess first game back, but obviously Mourinho has a reputation for not knowing how to set up an offense. It's depressing.

Anyways, changing gears a bit. I watched the Leipzig/Dortmund game. In a game that definitely meant more to Leipzig than Dortmund, Dortmund just dominated. Gio Reyna had a very clever assist and looked very comfortable in possession. Haaland is just a chance monster, and Hummels was amazing. Kind of surprised he was dropped from the national team. I'm not convinced he's not still one the 2-3 best CBs from Germany.

And Arsenal. I saw the highlights. I'm curious what people think of the Maupay/Leno situation. I'm torn. I don't know that I'd go so far to call it dirty, but it's on that edge. Keepers do #### those up occasionally under pressure. Obviously a bad situation, and a foul, but I'm not sure it's more than that.

A midfield and attacking core of McKinnie, Adams, Reyna, and Pulisic could be pretty darn good. Perhaps we roll the tanks, get Davies and the Canadian striker that's tearing it up at Gent (or Genk, I can't keep those straight), and then we really have something cooking.
   280. I am going to be Frank Posted: June 20, 2020 at 08:53 PM (#5958503)
I didn't know that the broadcasters pipe in the noise.

Dortmund might be able to hold onto their young guys a year longer. There is going to be less money sloshing around so less likely they get Godfather offers for multiple players.
   281. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 21, 2020 at 11:24 AM (#5958537)
Graelish just became the most fouled player ever in a Premier League season. With almost 9 full games remaining.
   282. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: June 21, 2020 at 12:54 PM (#5958546)
Hummels was amazing. Kind of surprised he was dropped from the national team. I'm not convinced he's not still one the 2-3 best CBs from Germany.

I think it was primarily about fit, and less about ability.

For better or worse, Hummels likes to freelance, and roam a lot. Which adds significantly in build up play, and creativity. But leaves vulnerabilities at the back, that other teams can exploit. I think Germany figures they have enough going forward, and they want somebody who is a system back, who will stay in his role.

The other issue is that Hummels has never had a lot of pace. And certainly has not improved on that front. So for a team that likes playing a high line, and a lot of pressing, that isn't really ideal. Not the best at chasing people off the ball, and lots of space between him and goal for someone like say Mbappe to run in behind of, with zero makeup speed.
   283. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 21, 2020 at 04:11 PM (#5958583)
If City can beat Burnley tomorrow and Chelsea later this week, Liverpool will not yet have won the title when they make the trip to City next week.
   284. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 21, 2020 at 06:08 PM (#5958599)
EPL betting odds

                Top 4    Top 5    Top 6

Leicester          81       94       99
Chelsea            63       88       95
Man United         35       68       83
Wolves             15       34       63
Tottenham           4       10       33
Sheffield United    1        3       11
Arsenal             1        2        9
Everton                               4
Palace                                2
Burnley                               1

   285. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 21, 2020 at 06:36 PM (#5958602)
Liverpool might be still shooting for the points record, but it won't be easy to get it now. I'd give them maybe at best 50/50 to match the record at 100. 17 points in 8 games (to reach 100) is certainly doable, but they have City and Arsenal on the road, and Chelsea at home. No reason to expect their charmed life to continue now, but with only 8 games left certainly anything is possible.

They need 4 wins at home to become the first EPL to win all their home games. They still have Palace, Villa, Burnley, and Chelsea. The other two road games are Brighton and Newcastle.
   286. Mefisto Posted: June 22, 2020 at 09:33 AM (#5958651)
It looked to me as though some players and teams really benefited from the layoff. In particular, I thought Willian and Kante looked like their old selves again. Liverpool seemed a bit stale, but maybe that's because they were missing Salah. Sadly, Kane didn't seem any better; I hope he's not going to become Fernando Torres.
   287. spivey Posted: June 24, 2020 at 08:38 AM (#5959190)
The talks of a falling out between Ndombele and Mourinho have intensified, as Ndombele has gone unused in the first two games back.

It's tough, because I hate Mourinho, but Ndombele's lack of fitness has been terribly disappointing. This is something that has followed him throughout his career and the fact his agent is agitating for a change makes me think he probably just doesn't want to put in the hard work.
   288. Mefisto Posted: June 24, 2020 at 02:01 PM (#5959269)
Reports say that Barca would take Ndombele. Makes you think both ways.
   289. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 24, 2020 at 03:18 PM (#5959291)
Top 6 + 3 in the EPL, since corona and when not against each other, have 7 wins, 2 draws (both Leicester) and 1 loss (Arsenal, obv.). Rich get richer.

By NPxGD you have one great team (City), two very good teams (Liverpool, Chelsea), four good teams (Man U, Wolves, Everton, Leicester) and no one else above par.

Arsenal and Tottenham have struggled all year in xG, but still could easily get back in the top 9 if they finish the season strong.

   290. spivey Posted: June 24, 2020 at 03:19 PM (#5959293)
The Arthur/Pjanic switch is/was interesting.

Arthur's problem is entirely fitness and taking the game seriously, as I understand it, so may as well replace him with an even more extreme version of that.
   291. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: June 24, 2020 at 09:44 PM (#5959350)
So I’m right that a City/Chelsea draw tomorrow gives the tile to Liverpool right?
   292. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 24, 2020 at 09:56 PM (#5959355)
I think so! I'd like to see City win, just so that Liverpool game has high stakes. Would be fun.
   293. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 24, 2020 at 10:34 PM (#5959361)
City from 17-18, along with United in 00-01, have the record for league title with most games to spare (5). Even if City wins the next two the best Liverpool can do is tie the record.

City would have beaten the record had they not lost 2-3 at home in the famous game where 2nd place United came back from 2-0 down at the half (April 7).

Some fun parallels to the game next week, if City can beat Chelsea.
   294. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: June 24, 2020 at 11:08 PM (#5959367)
It's cheating a little, because in 17-18 when City had 5 games to go, United had only had 4, so City's 13-point lead was sufficient. This year (assuming City wins the next 2), Liverpool would be up 17 points with both teams having 6 games left, and Liverpool would play first on July 5.

Still, in that 2-3 win, you had the spectacle of United playing all out for pride, "defending" their team record from 00-01. Here many of the City players are the same ones from the 17-18 team that clinched with 5 games to go and hit 100 points, so in a more real sense they are defending the greatness of their 17-18 season.

I don't much care for City, but I don't think this Liverpool team is quite on the same level as City has been over the last few years. Since Liverpool has this thing wrapped up, I wouldn't mind it at all if City can prevent Liverpool from breaking every record this season.
   295. jmurph Posted: June 25, 2020 at 01:23 PM (#5959462)
Love to take advantage of a golden opportunity to build an audience by instead trying to force people to buy my pay tv app. Love it. Burnley-Watford, catch the fever!
   296. The Marksist Posted: June 25, 2020 at 07:18 PM (#5959532)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





(19 of em)
   297. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: June 25, 2020 at 08:19 PM (#5959541)
No walking alone tonight Marksist.
   298. The Marksist Posted: June 26, 2020 at 12:07 PM (#5959640)
Too much honesty time: Yesterday sucked. I feel like I've been making important decisions with incomplete information since March, and it increasingly feels like every. single. decision. is important. You all probably feel similarly. Stress and uncertainty and worry and guilt are a potent combo. We live in a relatively safe area, and I'm immensely grateful that we have escaped direct harm from the pandemic. Still. Yesterday sucked.

All of that makes it hard to feel anything about this title. Over the last two years I've had more near panic attacks about Liverpool games than I've ever had about anything. You'd think there would be a release of tension, now that the title is clinched, but I don't really feel much in any direction. I'm not a big victory celebrator (not a party person, no group of fans/friends to party with), so things wouldn't really be so different under different circumstances. Maybe I'll appreciate it more in retrospect. Maybe there will be time to revel in it next year. I certainly hope so. And I hope that others out there are feeling the joy they expected and letting this victory color their lives a glorious red for a little while.

Anyway. Thanks for listening. I hope we all make it out the other side of this ok.
   299. Baldrick Posted: June 26, 2020 at 11:38 PM (#5959797)
The NWSL comes back tomorrow. First match is tomorrow at 12:30 eastern. The (probably) best team in the world North Carolina against Portland. It's on Big CBS so should be pretty accessible if you have any kind of TV package. I wrote a short guide to the mini-season here if you want to get (a little) up to speed. Meg Linehan has a lengthier primer at The Athletic if you have a subscription. And Kim McCauley wrote great rundowns on all the teams at AllForXI.
   300. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: June 26, 2020 at 11:44 PM (#5959799)
Baldrick I heard a bit of an interview with the new (?) commissioner of the NWSL and she mentioned she wasn’t really a soccer person. Is she a businesswoman who has been put into that role or did she come from another sport?
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