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Wednesday, January 30, 2019

OT Soccer Thread, v.2019

Looks like the last thread is closed, so onto the new!

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2/24 Manchester United v. Liverpool
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The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 30, 2019 at 07:08 PM | 2068 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1401. spivey Posted: April 30, 2019 at 09:47 AM (#5836667)
FILP. Hoping Sissoko is able to go. If he is, I'm hoping for a Wanyama/Sissoko midfield. Maybe Dier can come in if they need more going forward or if Sissoko can't go the full 90.
   1402. spivey Posted: April 30, 2019 at 09:48 AM (#5836668)
I think Rice is going to be way too expensive for what he offers. He's basically Eric Dier.

Yeah, though he seems like a better version of it. You may be right, though.
   1403. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: April 30, 2019 at 01:50 PM (#5836783)
#### me I'm nervous. I know this only end is heartbreak, but still. Why is it every time we're on the verge of doing something great there has to be an even bigger underdog for people to root for instead? It sure feels, like with Leicester, we're in someone else's story. I'm still ####### nervous, though.
   1404. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: April 30, 2019 at 01:55 PM (#5836786)
Lloris, Trippier, Sanchez, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Rose, Wanyama, Eriksen, Alli, Lucas Moura, Llorente.
Subs: Gazzaniga, Foyth, Walker-Peters, Davies, Dier, Skipp, Sissoko.

About what I would have expected. 3 at the back plus Wanyama as a shield to try to keep a clean sheet.
   1405. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: April 30, 2019 at 02:03 PM (#5836787)
Ajax: Onana, Veltman, de Ligt, van de Beek, Neres, Tadic, Blind, Schone, de Jong, Ziyech, Tagliafico.
Subs: Varela, Sinkgraven, Huntelaar, Mazraoui, Magallan, Dolberg, de Wit.

I keep forgetting Huntelaar is on this team.
   1406. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: April 30, 2019 at 02:10 PM (#5836790)
Why is it every time we're on the verge of doing something great there has to be an even bigger underdog for people to root for instead?
Pretty accurate for Spurs in these semis, but if they do manage to win it all they will have beaten Barca or Liverpool in the final, and the semis will mostly just be a footnote.
   1407. The_Ex Posted: April 30, 2019 at 02:21 PM (#5836800)
Given the injuries and Son suspension, would the Spurs fans here take a 0-0 draw tonight? How about 1-1?

I would think Spurs chances at home, without Son, and in Holland with Son, are about equal.
   1408. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: April 30, 2019 at 02:24 PM (#5836805)
would the Spurs fans here take a 0-0 draw tonight?

My god, yes!
   1409. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: April 30, 2019 at 02:32 PM (#5836808)
I would think Spurs chances at home, without Son, and in Holland with Son, are about equal.
This is definitely not right.
   1410. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: April 30, 2019 at 02:33 PM (#5836809)
Pretty accurate for Spurs in these semis, but if they do manage to win it all they will have beaten Barca or Liverpool in the final, and the semis will mostly just be a footnote.

And City in the quarters. That's probably 2 of the 3 best teams in the world right now.
   1411. spivey Posted: April 30, 2019 at 02:40 PM (#5836812)
This is definitely not right.


Perhaps, but it's possible we'll have others ready for next week's match too.

Also the drop from Son to Llorente is pretty massive.

I'd take 0-0 or 1-1.
   1412. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: April 30, 2019 at 02:51 PM (#5836815)
Spurs/Ajax is about 50/50 overall, but Spurs is favored today 42%/29%/29%. Probably somewhat similar on the return leg (in reverse). 0-0 draw today would probably be a slight positive result for Spurs. 1-1 is probably a slight negative result.
   1413. jmurph Posted: April 30, 2019 at 02:54 PM (#5836816)
I think Spurs get through comfortably and you're all just being a bunch of ninnies.
   1414. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: April 30, 2019 at 03:00 PM (#5836817)
0-0 is better than 1-1 because of not giving up an away goal.

Oh, great, my Direct TV feed is somehow jacked.

What a wonderful time for that to happen (and BR Live appears to be blacked out).
   1415. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: April 30, 2019 at 03:02 PM (#5836818)
Spurs are missing probably their two best players in Kane and Son. I don't think it's unreasonable to be skeptical and of course Ajax are very good. At this point calling Ajax a surprise or undeserving is not reasonable. Say what you want but Real Madrid and Juventus are pretty impressive scalps.

I think 0-0 is great and 1-1 is fine. Losing is a disaster and even a 2-2 is problematic. I don't think 1-1 is all that bad because there is no reason they can't match that at Ajax. Going into that game knowing you need at least 2 would be a tall order.
   1416. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: April 30, 2019 at 03:02 PM (#5836819)
As a non-Spurs fan, I must say, I have been very impressed with their new digs.
   1417. I am going to be Frank Posted: April 30, 2019 at 03:19 PM (#5836823)
Trippier played him onside. What's more problematic for Spurs is that Ajax is controlling the game and Llorente seems utterly useless.
   1418. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: April 30, 2019 at 03:22 PM (#5836826)
The goal is bad but really it's the absolute dominance of Ajax that is troublesome. Spurs are getting completely dominated right now. The penalty box around the Ajax keeper could have landmines in it and no Spurs player would have been injured yet.
   1419. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: April 30, 2019 at 03:26 PM (#5836827)
It sounds like my Direct TV going out was a good thing after all ...
   1420. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: April 30, 2019 at 03:42 PM (#5836831)
This is ugly.
   1421. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: April 30, 2019 at 03:44 PM (#5836832)
I really hope Vertonghen is going to be ok.

Again, a complete failure of the concussion protocol. Maybe a silver lining for Vertonghen that his symptoms came back on so strongly, as now he won't be playing the rest of the game with a concussion.
   1422. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: April 30, 2019 at 03:50 PM (#5836833)
I think I may hold off buying that ticket to Madrid. I'm not a doctor, but I think the bloke sitting in the top row of the South Stand could tell Vertonghen was concussed. What are they doing letting him go back out there?
   1423. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: April 30, 2019 at 03:54 PM (#5836836)
Well, not great there, but the team looked better when Sissoko came on. Gonna have to listen to the second half on my drive home.
   1424. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 30, 2019 at 04:34 PM (#5836852)
No Son and no Kane is making Spurs attacks look unthreatening. Llorente's hip needs to step up.
   1425. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 30, 2019 at 04:45 PM (#5836857)
Good goalies use the posts, just like Lloris did a bit ago.
   1426. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: April 30, 2019 at 05:10 PM (#5836868)
Not a great game for Spurs, obviously, but they only need to make up one goal. After they brought on Sissoko the game was at worst even.
   1427. Textbook Editor Posted: April 30, 2019 at 05:13 PM (#5836872)
Ajax took their foot off the gas and may regret that. If it ended 4-0 after that first half I wouldn’t have been surprised.

Under the circumstances it is not an awful result. They’re in the tie. They get Son back, and from the looks of this game he should be able to get in behind that defense.
   1428. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: April 30, 2019 at 05:16 PM (#5836875)
If Spurs had managed to not completely step on their own dicks last weekend, they basically would be able to rotate and rest *this* weekend and throw everything at Ajax next Wednesday.

Now ... they can't ... because Spurs, ####### Spurs ...

Side note ... I hope Janny Verts is ok ... concussions are not simple things (e.g. Clint Frazier missed all of the 2018 season with a concussion and post-concussion symptoms). That was scary watching him basically collapse on the side of the pitch ...
   1429. Textbook Editor Posted: April 30, 2019 at 05:38 PM (#5836881)
I suspect Verts will be out at least through the 2nd leg next week if not rest of season (unless they get to the CL final). That looked awful.
   1430. Topher Posted: April 30, 2019 at 05:46 PM (#5836884)
I made a semi-long post being super critical of Spurs for how they handled Vertonghen. Then deleted it because I wasn't sure what the real point of it was other than me being angry.

I'm not going to retype that, but I am going to go ahead and share this hot-off-the-press tweet:

Dan Kilpatrick
‏Verified account @Dan_KP

#thfc Vertonghen has passed all concussion tests this evening. More tests tomorrow but, for now, looking positive.
2:42 PM - 30 Apr 2019
   1431. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: April 30, 2019 at 06:03 PM (#5836888)
I made a semi-long post being super critical of Spurs for how they handled Vertonghen. Then deleted it because I wasn't sure what the real point of it was other than me being angry.


I think that's enough reason. As I mentioned up thread, I had Direct TV problems this afternoon, I more or less wasn't able to watch until just as Verts came off the second time and crumpled on the side line. And that made me very, very angry ... especially when I then learned he'd been cleared to go back out on the pitch.

I'm not saying the physios got it wrong (there was talk from the TNT announcers that sometimes adrenaline can mask initial symptoms and hopefully, the news that is coming out afterwards about no concussion is true), but watching that, I'd absolutely conduct a top-down review of the entire protocol at Spurs.
   1432. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: April 30, 2019 at 06:51 PM (#5836902)
   1433. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: April 30, 2019 at 07:12 PM (#5836907)
It’s not ideal but if you have to lose the first leg at home 1-0 is obviously the way to go. A 2-1 win at Ajax is far from an unreasonable ask with Son back in the lineup. What I found disappointing as a neutral is how unprepared Spurs seemed for Ajax. This team has taken out two of the great trational and recent European powers and Spurs spent the first twenty minutes seemingly completely at a loss about what to do.

Still, only one goal to overturn. With Son back in the lineup that should be more than feasible.
   1434. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 30, 2019 at 08:05 PM (#5836924)
Spurs were pretty solid once Sissoko came on. Odd as it sounds, it may be just as important for him to play the full 90 next week as it is to have Son back.
   1435. spivey Posted: April 30, 2019 at 08:10 PM (#5836928)
Wanyama looked so slow.
I’m sure Juventus is putting in their huge bid for Trippier as we speak.
   1436. spivey Posted: April 30, 2019 at 08:17 PM (#5836931)
Between having a back 5, and Wanyama just jogging around, Spurs could not pressure Ajax early. Alli was great, but there’s not a lot of goal scoring out there and I think his goal scoring from a couple of years ago may just end up being a fluke.
   1437. spivey Posted: April 30, 2019 at 08:31 PM (#5836941)
I’m worried about if Tottenham can even get another result this year. Their team is not good right meow.

I swear to god I never thought I’d be pining for the steady hands of Winks and Sissoko, but injuries make strange bedfellows.
   1438. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: May 01, 2019 at 09:02 AM (#5837061)
Yesterday's loss isn't great, but we were in the same position with 30 minutes to play at the Etihad. I'm happy the tie is still on even though Wednesday is going to be torture. Please, for the love of all that is holy in this world, beat Bournemouth Saturday!
   1439. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: May 01, 2019 at 02:45 PM (#5837282)
I’m sure Juventus is putting in their huge bid for Trippier as we speak.


Supposedly they bid $15 million, but Levy is (predictably) holding out for about twice that, just sell him and get on with getting better.

Please, for the love of all that is holy in this world, beat Bournemouth Saturday!


No ####### kidding ...
   1440. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: May 01, 2019 at 02:51 PM (#5837285)
I like both Barcelona and Liverpool ... so I guess I'm just rooting for a great match for neutrals ... and hopefully Messi and Salah each doing something awesome.
   1441. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 01, 2019 at 03:02 PM (#5837293)
I am so ####### hyped. Come on you Reds!
   1442. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: May 01, 2019 at 03:02 PM (#5837295)
And here we go!
   1443. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 01, 2019 at 03:09 PM (#5837297)
If Mane had tried to stay on his feet he probably earns a penalty.
   1444. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: May 01, 2019 at 03:09 PM (#5837298)
I guess predicting this match (hell, this tie) will have goals is lazy and obvious, but screw it, this match will have goals!
   1445. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: May 01, 2019 at 03:12 PM (#5837300)
I'm cool with lots of goals, so long as Liverpool don't lose by two.
   1446. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 01, 2019 at 03:23 PM (#5837308)
I don't care if Rakitic barely nudged the ball on that early tackle. That was nasty and deserved a caution. Now Keita is down.
   1447. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: May 01, 2019 at 03:29 PM (#5837312)
The former Anfield Cannibal snacks on his old team's flesh!
   1448. spivey Posted: May 01, 2019 at 03:34 PM (#5837313)
Barcelona look very, very dangerous in the final 3rd.
   1449. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 01, 2019 at 03:46 PM (#5837316)
Ok that was a flop by Messi.
   1450. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 01, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5837317)
Jeez Barca is a whiny team.
   1451. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: May 01, 2019 at 03:50 PM (#5837318)
Well, I'd say it was a shoulder barge, but Messi did make a meal of it, as they say.
   1452. spivey Posted: May 01, 2019 at 03:52 PM (#5837319)
Liverpool are getting on the ball ok, but are getting the game taken to them. They've not really been able to string much into actual dangerous looking offense.

Barcelona have mostly been playing long balls over the top of Liverpool's midfield towards the soft underbelly between the midfield and the fullbacks, or between the fullbacks and centerbacks.
   1453. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 01, 2019 at 04:07 PM (#5837329)
That first half really could have gone either way. Unfortunately it went Barca's way. Liverpool does need to turn their dangerous possession into more quality chances though, or they won't advance.
   1454. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 01, 2019 at 04:08 PM (#5837330)
ok that was definitely a foul but c'mon Suarez, let's be serious.
   1455. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 01, 2019 at 04:46 PM (#5837346)
Liverpool is snake bit today.
   1456. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 01, 2019 at 04:54 PM (#5837352)
VVD is fast. May have saved a goal there with his speed.
   1457. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: May 01, 2019 at 05:17 PM (#5837365)
I'm cool with lots of goals, so long as Liverpool don't lose by two.


Technically, you *did* get what you requested ...
   1458. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 01, 2019 at 05:35 PM (#5837372)
I think Liverpool outplayed Barca until right near the end where they were desperate for a goal and gave up some chances Barca should have converted. What are you gonna do?
   1459. I am going to be Frank Posted: May 01, 2019 at 07:43 PM (#5837406)
That was rough for Liverpool and their fans. Liverpool definitely didn't 'deserve' to lose 3-0, but they couldn't finish their chances and well Messi and Suarez.
   1460. jmurph Posted: May 02, 2019 at 12:20 PM (#5837572)
and well Messi and Suarez.

Is Suarez having a good year? The numbers are the numbers, obviously, but I just mean to the eye. In the few games I've seen he looks a bit off. That goal was perfectly played, though.
   1461. PepTech Posted: May 02, 2019 at 01:02 PM (#5837610)
Is Suarez having a good year?
Well, he hasn't bit anyone.
   1462. Baldrick Posted: May 02, 2019 at 02:10 PM (#5837659)
USWNT World Cup roster released. It's completely fine, while also being very frustrating. Which is what happens when you've got outrageous depth at every position, but don't really know what to do with it.

They're also all leaving their clubs teams a full month and a half before they play their first game, for unspecified reasons.
   1463. I am going to be Frank Posted: May 02, 2019 at 02:20 PM (#5837667)
I don't know how Suarez has been this season, but in the limited action I've seen him, he definitely doesn't run as much as he used to and he doesn't seem as fast. However, his football brain and movement was top notch in that match yesterday.

Two English teams in the Europa semifinals... not on English-language TV. Back to the Spanish language channels!

   1464. PepTech Posted: May 02, 2019 at 06:10 PM (#5837764)
Not to get two far ahead of ourselves, but I will laugh and laugh if there is a London Derby in Baku.
   1465. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 02, 2019 at 06:30 PM (#5837771)
So, with Arsenal collapsing in the EPL and soaring in Europe, surely their odds of CL via Europa must be much higher than top 4, right? No, still the same.

Europa winner betting odds (top 4 in parens):

Chelsea: 50.5% (73)
Arsenal: 30.5% (30)
Valencia: 11.5% (26)
Frankfurt: 7.5% (51)
   1466. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 03, 2019 at 03:58 PM (#5838076)
Juve is losing again in Serie A. Looking at actual results and xG, they actually haven't been very good since December, and only played one good CL game in 2019 (out of four), the home leg against Atletico. They also managed to lose badly in the Coppa Italia in January.

Their 538 ranking reflects a drop from being one of the very best teams in the world in December to just another run of the mill good team, not clearly than the other top teams in Serie A. xG now has them for the year with similar xG to Napoli, Inter and Atalanta.
   1467. spivey Posted: May 03, 2019 at 04:20 PM (#5838102)
Yeah, Juventus need a pretty massive overhaul of their squad if you ask me.
   1468. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 03, 2019 at 05:12 PM (#5838143)
Everton didn't do anything at all for about an hour in the middle of their 2-0 home win against Burnley, but they came out of the blocks really fast, and finished with some good play. Overall a fairly dominant performance, and now 538 has a team outside the top 6 (Everton) ranked above one of the top 6 (Manchester United) for the first time this season.
   1469. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: May 03, 2019 at 05:38 PM (#5838151)
Spurs had better not screw the pooch against Bournemouth tomorrow morning, but it certainly would be the Spursy thing to do ...
   1470. Baldrick Posted: May 03, 2019 at 06:25 PM (#5838161)
   1471. Fourth True Outcome Posted: May 03, 2019 at 07:29 PM (#5838184)
I agree with you about the roster, Baldrick, especially in how bad the Zerboni exclusion is. I also think Casey Short should be on the roster, and leaving her off after calling her in consistently is a bit cruel. But my biggest gripe is a more consistent one, that Jill Ellis seems to have zero idea how to construct a defensive line, especially one pacey enough to handle the style she demands the team play, is as infuriating as it is baffling. I have a low enough opinion of her coaching/roster contruction/experience fetishism that I'm half-rooting for the team to bomb out embarassingly early in the knockout stages so that her ouster is necessary. I think getting a better coach is the most important piece of the USWNT's next decade (and I think a good result will cement the job as Ellis's for as long as she wants it), and feel strongly enough about it that I'm not sure if I'm rooting for them or against.
   1472. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 04, 2019 at 08:17 AM (#5838314)
Bournemouth should have had a penalty too... yikes.
   1473. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 04, 2019 at 08:37 AM (#5838317)
Spurs WTF.
   1474. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 04, 2019 at 08:40 AM (#5838318)
Well, this is peak Spurs.
   1475. spivey Posted: May 04, 2019 at 09:34 AM (#5838320)
Foyth has been incredibly reckless all year.

Beyond that, the team seems mentally and physically exhausted.

Son will be out the last game too now, right? And there’s a good chance they need a win.
   1476. spivey Posted: May 04, 2019 at 09:49 AM (#5838321)
I’m pretty resigned to Tottenham finishing outside top 4. They aren’t good right now.
   1477. Textbook Editor Posted: May 04, 2019 at 09:55 AM (#5838322)
This is all going September 2011, isn’t it?
   1478. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: May 04, 2019 at 10:19 AM (#5838323)
Spurs still have their fate in their hands, home to Everton isn’t a bad place to be if you need a win. Everton are a team I’d bet on just rolling over and letting their belly get scratched particularly if Spurs get an early goal.

On the plus side the benefit of today is that because of the red Son really hasn’t played a ton of football the last two weeks. 90 last Saturday, suspended Tuesday and only 43 today so in theory he should be about as fresh as is realistically possible at this stage of a season for the final game. And of course since he is suspended for next weekend (not ideal of course) there is a bit of a mental fatigue to offset it, he can go out on Wednesday and quite literally leave it all on the field.,

Right now;

Spurs 70 +28 v Everton
Chelsea 68 +21 v Watford, @Leicester
Arsenal 66 +20 v Brighton, @Burnley
ManU 65 +13 @Huddersfield, v Cardiff

The way those other three teams are playing I don’t think you can book six points for them. Arsenal and United certainly have schedules that should lend itself to six points but anything less than six points by both teams and Spurs are almost surely through due to goal difference.
   1479. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 04, 2019 at 11:23 AM (#5838329)
A late goal for each side in the Gladbach/Hoffenheim game. Ends in a draw, but both teams really needed a win and now are both most likely headed to Europa.

Hoffenheim rally dominated early, so they are quite disappointed.
   1480. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: May 04, 2019 at 01:20 PM (#5838346)
1469. A sad, lost penguin wandering the tundra, dreaming Posted: May 03, 2019 at 05:38 PM (#5838151)
Spurs had better not screw the pooch against Bournemouth tomorrow morning, but it certainly would be the Spursy thing to do ...


Boy, I certainly didn't see this one coming ...

At least the negative .gif party over at Cartilage Free Captain has been amusing.
   1481. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: May 04, 2019 at 01:30 PM (#5838347)
Spurs get an early goal.


Ha ... ha ... bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha
   1482. Textbook Editor Posted: May 04, 2019 at 03:04 PM (#5838353)
The only saving grace today is the guarantee that Everton can’t get into Europa no matter what their result against Spurs. They aren’t going to roll over, but at least they don’t have European motivation to spur them on.
   1483. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 05, 2019 at 07:14 AM (#5838506)
Tottenham has scored one goal in 5 games since the 4-3 City loss.
   1484. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 05, 2019 at 10:44 AM (#5838518)
Big win for Chelsea. Any win already effectively made it so United couldn't catch them, and now Arsenal needs to equal the GD or a draw would be enough for Chelsea against Leicester.

United about to meekly exit with a draw to lowly Huddersfield.
   1485. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 05, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5838523)
I get so irritated when players stop playing to try to get the ref to call something. Brighton has a free kick just outside the box. The kick hits an Arsenal player in the wall and Brighton's players in the box immediately turn to the ref to ask for a handball call, WHILE THE BALL IS STILL LIVE IN THE BOX. How about you try to score instead?

(Also, it hit the Arsenal player near the shoulder with his arms fully at his side. Never a handball.)
   1486. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 05, 2019 at 12:08 PM (#5838527)
Arsenal needs to win, of course, but they also should really pour it on at home, because scoring multiple goals against Burnley on the road is likely to be much harder. A Chelsea draw at Leicester could easily happen.
   1487. Mefisto Posted: May 05, 2019 at 12:10 PM (#5838528)
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   1488. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 05, 2019 at 12:18 PM (#5838530)
Huge game at Leverkusen. Already 2-1 after 15 minutes.

edit: Atalanta and Getafe both look good to crash the CL party next year. By xG they are in very different places. Atlanta's numbers are excellent while Getafe's are terrible, but apparently Getafe knows how to frustrate teams, and maybe they could cause some problems next year.

Looking at the top of the table in La Liga and Serie A only, Sevilla and Valencia (Getfe's competition) are the biggest underperformers in La Liga, based on xG, while Atalanta themselves are the biggest underperformer in Serie A.
   1489. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 05, 2019 at 01:01 PM (#5838543)
6-1 Leverkusen! And so much for winning by multiple goals. Arsenal just needs to win, and in addition will need a ton of help from either Everton or Leicester.
   1490. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: May 05, 2019 at 01:06 PM (#5838546)
COME ON BRIGHTON, COME ON BRIGHTON!

Although the way the Spurs season is going, Brighton will defend valiantly until stoppage time and then concede the winner ...
   1491. Egregious Hidden Genitals (CoB). Posted: May 05, 2019 at 01:23 PM (#5838549)
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Saved from Baku by Brighton!
   1492. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 05, 2019 at 01:31 PM (#5838551)
Looks like Spurs fans had nothing to worry about. There's actually a decent chance they could have gotten a CL spot without a win against Brighton or Everton.
   1493. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 05, 2019 at 02:30 PM (#5838560)
So United played a relatively poor game, though still good enough to win most days, and were on the road. 538 actually thought it was a better than average performance for them, and now has them ranked above Everton again.

Can't say the same for Arsenal, playing at home in a must win game, barely outperformed a bad team.

edit: of course I'm happy that Liverpool won, but especially now that the top 4 race is over. There would have been a completely dead week in the EPL next week otherwise.
   1494. Mefisto Posted: May 05, 2019 at 02:57 PM (#5838564)
It'll be an interesting summer. The only way to catch up to the top 2 is to spend a ton of money. Arsenal and Spurs haven't done that any time recently. Chelsea's under a ban. United are run by idiots.

I can easily see the EPL looking a lot like La Liga for a while.
   1495. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 05, 2019 at 03:12 PM (#5838569)
Man what a miracle. So now the only way Spurs miss top 4 is if they lose, Arsenal wins, and Arsenal overturns the GD of 8?
   1496. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 05, 2019 at 03:16 PM (#5838571)
In other league news, the current favorites for 4th in Spain and Italy are Getafe and Atalanta.
   1497. spivey Posted: May 05, 2019 at 03:34 PM (#5838572)
Correct, Biff. Arsenal ain’t even gonna beat Burnley either. Today was a great day. Gotta say 4th is right for Tottenham if it finishes this way. Chelsea have been better.

They have work to do but I’m excited to see Atalanta take a crack at the CL.
   1498. spivey Posted: May 05, 2019 at 03:47 PM (#5838575)
The race for 4th in the Bundesliga is wild. Pretty embarrassing performance from Frankfurt today.
   1499. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 05, 2019 at 04:00 PM (#5838579)
Valencia trying to hang with Getafe. Up 6-0 away to Huesca.
   1500. Fancy Pants Handle struck out swinging Posted: May 05, 2019 at 06:19 PM (#5838601)
It'll be an interesting summer. The only way to catch up to the top 2 is to spend a ton of money. Arsenal and Spurs haven't done that any time recently. Chelsea's under a ban. United are run by idiots.

I can easily see the EPL looking a lot like La Liga for a while.

Define 'a while.' A year? Two? I could see that. Much more than that is exceedingly unlikely imo. It's not that long ago that LFC was considered an eternal second-tier top team. Good enough for a top-4 spot, who would never be able to challenge for the title. It's not that long ago that City could only ever dream of being a top-4 team at all. It's not that long ago that we had a "permanent top 4" that did not include City or Spurs.

United and Chelsea will get their #### together. Spurs with the new stadium finally sorted, might loosen up the chequebook. Arsenal, who knows, might hit on developing a youth movement or something. An oligarch might buy Everton or Newcastle or whatever, and spend oodles of money.
Meanwhile Liverpool might see their best players poached, similar to the way Dortmund does in the Bundesliga. City might get old in a hurry, or Pep might decide he has wanderlust again.

There's too much volatility, and too much uncertainty for things to stay stagnant for too long.
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