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OT: Wrestling Thread November 2014

Given that the old wrestling thread got shut down, here is a new one that shamelessly links to my Hell in a Cell review!

aberg Posted: October 27, 2014 at 01:47 PM | 2641 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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2601. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 11, 2023 at 08:51 AM (#6112793)

WWE was really good for the last 6 months for the first time in 8-10 years. We just can't have nice things. I joked with some friends that it wouldn't be beyond Vince to fire his own daughter to retake control of the company, but it was definitely a joke and it seems to have turned out to be real. The Saudi takeover rumors are disgusting.

yup.

i wouldn't be shocked if the FTC was willing to step in, based on their actions with microsoft/activision/blizzard, and given the fact that MBS has yet to pay any real price or show any contritition for dismembering an american journalist. that might be wishful thinking, though.

2602. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 11, 2023 at 11:27 AM (#6112817)

Ariel Helwani @arielhelwani
Contrary to reports stating otherwise last night, there is no deal in place at this precise moment for WWE to be sold to Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund or any entity, sources say.

The organization is still exploring all options, I’m told. Developing.

2603. VCar Posted: January 11, 2023 at 12:51 PM (#6112829)

I joked with some friends that it wouldn't be beyond Vince to fire his own daughter to retake control of the company, but it was definitely a joke and it seems to have turned out to be real.

This takeover would have been a great angle for Raw, if the NWO hadn't already done it 25 years ago.

2604. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 12, 2023 at 01:34 PM (#6112973)

(it's probably a work, but...) FTR is done with AEW.

we've known for a while that FTR's contracts are done in april, and according to dax, tony khan has given them "the next few months" off. they've already dropped the ROH, AAA and NJPW titles, so their commitments to those promotions are behind them, so unless they resign with AEW (always possible), that's probably it for them.

2605. KronicFatigue Posted: January 12, 2023 at 01:47 PM (#6112974)

150K people turned the show off when jeff jarrett showed up dressed like sting (yes, that is a thing that happened in 2022).

You absolutely predicted my reaction while reading this.

But in terms of numbers changing during a broadcast, are there really people who are watching live tv and channel surfing? I can't imagine doing that. Twenty years ago, cable boxes ruined the experience b/c there would be lag with each flip. But then the ever increasing commercial break times made surfing impossible. I remember flipping around and just always hitting commercials.

If I was into wrestling (I no longer am), and the product was hit or miss, I would just DVR it and skip over the boring parts. Why aren't people doing that?!?!

2606. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 12, 2023 at 02:32 PM (#6112985)

in terms of numbers changing during a broadcast, are there really people who are watching live tv and channel surfing?

people still channel surf at the top of the hour to find something to watch. that's why the biggest stars usually get those segments (punk, MHF, reigns, cena), and why it's notable when those segments are a reason a show hemorrhages viewers.

people also turn the show off when they see something that disgusts them (ie: AEW's womens' division), and those people don't usually come back.

but yeah, i don't think there are as many people yo-yo'ing between channels as there used to be.

If I was into wrestling (I no longer am), and the product was hit or miss, I would just DVR it and skip over the boring parts. Why aren't people doing that?!?!

probably for the same reason you don't: why would anyone put so much effort into watching something they don't care about enough to watch live?

2607. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 13, 2023 at 12:19 PM (#6113089)

this week, in my favorite wrestling moments ever:

steve austin.

2608. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 18, 2023 at 11:27 AM (#6113566)

All Elite Wrestling @AEW
It is with a heavy heart that we mourn the tragic passing of Jamin Pugh, known to wrestling fans around the world as Jay Briscoe. Our thoughts are with his family, his friends, and his fans.

Wrestling Pics & Clips @WrestleClips
I love this video of Jay Briscoe and his daughter
https://twitter.com/WrestleClips/status/1615741573915877381

2609. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 18, 2023 at 05:22 PM (#6113608)

ratings were good for dynamite last week (1/11), but the first segment did continue its tendency to immediately lose 100+K viewers (relative to reruns of the big bang theory), and the two lowest rated segments of the night were jericho and the elite.

2610. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE

Posted: January 18, 2023 at 05:46 PM (#6113610)

i wouldn't be shocked if the FTC was willing to step in, based on their actions with microsoft/activision/blizzard, and given the fact that MBS has yet to pay any real price or show any contritition for dismembering an american journalist. that might be wishful thinking, though.

Are any Newcastle United fans complaining?

2611. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 18, 2023 at 07:46 PM (#6113615)

Are any Newcastle United fans complaining?

they're english, so i'm sure they're on about something...

i haven't updated the thread, so i might as well throw this in, for posterity:

rumors of WWE's sale to saudi arabia have been somewhat exaggerated.

there is some speculation that vince/vince's people leaked the saudi rumor as a way to quell (read: threaten) WWE's investors, ahead of the bidding process. that selling to saudi arabia would be vince's way of blowing off everyone who doesn't want him around anymore.

2612. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 21, 2023 at 04:38 PM (#6113847)

Warner Bros. Discovery banned All Elite Wrestling from holding a Jay Briscoe tribute episode of Dynamite on January 18, similar to the Brodie Lee Celebration of Life show, Dave Meltzer reported on Wrestling Observer Radio.

good people there, huh...

oh, wait...

Chris Nowinski, Ph.D. @ChrisNowinski1
This is so sad. Note the fencing posture with the first brain injury. He may never be the same. @danawhite & @TBSNetwork should be ashamed. Pure exploitation. What's next, "Who can survive a stabbing"?
https://twitter.com/ChrisNowinski1/status/1616101814830505985

2613. MHS Posted: January 21, 2023 at 10:20 PM (#6113876)

Stigs, just saw those in the Observer. Real classy, those guys.

Man, still so sad about Jay.

2614. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 23, 2023 at 12:48 AM (#6113994)

Stigs, just saw those in the Observer. Real classy, those guys.

i would understand it if the briscoes had a history of hate crimes, or a history of targeting/bullying gay wrestlers in the locker room (RoH has had a fair number of out-ish wrestlers over the years), or attacking gay fans at shows/cons (RoH has peddled more than its fair share of gay bait to fans over the years) but i haven't seen anything like that come out about them.

for this kind of blackballing to happen over 10 year old tweets, words that the briscoes have already apologized for, with jay in the morgue and his kid is in the hospital, with life-threatening injuries...it's beyond disgraceful.

not to go tin-foil hat, but i can't help but think "someone" in AEW didn't want the briscoes to get signed after tony khan bought RoH a year ago, and they fed this #### to some know-nothing television executive to make sure the briscoes couldn't get hired. and then when this happened, the damage had already been done.

Man, still so sad about Jay.

wear your seatbelts, people.

2615. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 23, 2023 at 01:02 AM (#6113995)

while we're on the subject of great wrestlers who are currently being blackballed:

jacob fatu (cousin of the WWE's uso brothers) has also "allegedly" been "blackballed" by WWE, over his decade-old teenage criminal record. this guy is a ####### stud, and he's been stranded in the wilderness of MLW for the last half-decade, because...reasons.

2616. aberg Posted: January 23, 2023 at 09:45 AM (#6114003)

True story: Jacob Fatu was once thrown into me at an indy show and knocked me over some chairs. I almost got a picture of it happening.

Also, I'm going to MITB in London in July. I wish it were at a stadium instead of O2.

2617. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 24, 2023 at 11:21 AM (#6114183)

the pathos of "cm punk", in 10 seconds.

2618. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 01:23 PM (#6114419)

Tony Khan @TonyKhan

I'm excited for #AEWDynamite, an honor and privilege to honor the late great Jay Briscoe as his brother and HOF partner Mark Briscoe will fight their longtime friend/rival Jay Lethal tomorrow night live on TBS!

Dynamite's been on a roll lately, but this Wednesday will be special

a few "behind the scenes" tidbits about this:

-- tony khan went to the mat to get this done. good for him. maybe he's finally starting to smarten up to the business.

-- this is not a one-time thing. mark briscoe has been cleared to appear on TBS/TNT moving forward.

2619. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 07:58 PM (#6114509)

and we are live.

last time i tried watching AEW dynamite, i noped out within 5-10 minutes. let's see how they do this time...

2620. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 08:02 PM (#6114510)

ugh...

2621. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 08:08 PM (#6114512)

what in the #### was that?

and why????

is starks supposed to be the heel here? why the #### is he prancing on the top rope in the middle of a ####### match? he's not stupid. he's not a ####### child. he's supposed to be a straight-laced ass-kicker, so why is he doing that ####### spot?

2622. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 08:19 PM (#6114514)

anyway; briscoe/lethal is the main event. at least i can put on sixers-nets and just keep half an eye on this #### until later.

2623. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 08:26 PM (#6114516)

that was a nice hurricanrana spot on the outside from darby.

2624. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 08:34 PM (#6114518)

i get that masochism is darby's kink, but...noone should be kicking out of that powerbomb in a TV match.

and so now, in a TV match that had:
- a tiger bomb
- a crucifix bomb
- a buckle bomb
- a hurricanrana into a guardrail
- some top rope suplex thing

...that soggy fart was the finish.

who is booking this bullshit?

2625. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 08:44 PM (#6114519)

hook looks like a 7th grader.

jungle boy has the hairline of an aging sammy hagar.

matt hardy looks like half of his blood supply has been replaced by formaldehyde.

2626. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 09:02 PM (#6114520)

brian cage looks like he skips a lot of leg days.

2627. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 09:03 PM (#6114521)

cage should be tapping here. danielson had the lebell lock, in the center of the ring.

noone needs this #### to be competitive. danielson is the ####### star here. you can make him look like the biggest badass in your company by tapping this lower-middle card bodybuilder out clean in the middle of the ring, in less than 5 minutes of match time. but nope...this #### goes on.

2628. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 09:14 PM (#6114522)

someone's been taking production notes from jim cornette.

that's a nice touch with the bell-ringing.

2629. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 09:18 PM (#6114523)

danielson is the ####### star here. you can make him look like the biggest badass

or, i guess you can do whatever the #### that was.

wrestling fans love buying PPVs where one half of the main event has a "broken" arm.

2630. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 09:36 PM (#6114526)

why is MJF doing this in a pre-tape?

he should be doing this promo in the center of the ring at the 8PM/9PM spot, when you have the best chance to hook in new viewers.

2631. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 09:39 PM (#6114528)

"timothy thatcher"?

what is this, a dickens' novel?

2632. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 09:39 PM (#6114529)

and now, we're in business.

main event time.

briscoe v. lethal.

let's ####### go.

2633. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 09:46 PM (#6114534)

man, this thing is screaming for a run in.

jay lethal can barely keep the tears in his eyes.

jericho and guevara could actually do some good heeling here. run in, get their asses kicked, and leave briscoe and lethal standing in the center of the ring to close the ####### show.

2634. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 09:55 PM (#6114536)

oooh, that's a beauty of a neckbreaker.

2635. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 09:56 PM (#6114537)

AEW got the right angle for that shot.

2636. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 25, 2023 at 09:58 PM (#6114539)

all respect to jay lethal for that one.

it's damn near impossible to make a spot like that feel like it's more than a make-a-wish, but lethal managed to get there.

2637. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 28, 2023 at 09:32 PM (#6114928)

that was a well-booked rumble...but i don't know why cody rhodes would get this push; he's not that ####### guy. he wasn't that guy the first time WWE had him; he wasn't that guy in AEW; he hasn't been that guy since WWE got him back last year. it's not gonna happen.

2638. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 29, 2023 at 02:29 PM (#6115002)

cm punk: *exists*
seth rollins:

2639. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 30, 2023 at 11:59 PM (#6115230)

the 2nd best royal rumble ever

2640. 57i66135 is a hard word for me. Posted: January 31, 2023 at 12:09 AM (#6115232)

and of course, the best royal rumble ever.

2641. aberg Posted: February 02, 2023 at 05:42 AM (#6115473)

that was a well-booked rumble...but i don't know why cody rhodes would get this push; he's not that ####### guy. he wasn't that guy the first time WWE had him; he wasn't that guy in AEW; he hasn't been that guy since WWE got him back last year. it's not gonna happen.

I have always been a Cody skeptic. I don't dislike him, but I have never seen him as a main eventer or a babyface. But for whatever reason, since he came back to WWE, it has clicked and he's getting the reactions he has never had anywhere. The pops for him have been huge and the quality of his matches has been way better than anywhere else he has worked. Part of me wonders if there's some pendulum effect of the pure whitemeat babyface. It became so cliche for guys to have big pyro entrances, hype up the crowd, dress in expensive suits, etc, that it stopped feeling special and fans rebelled against it. So, WWE stopped doing it and the top babyfaces had kind of a minimalistic or low-fi presentation (Punk, Bryan, Becky; neither Roman nor Brock was ever really a face). Cody has the babyface gimmick dialed up to 11. Maybe it has been long enough since the Super Cena era that people are ready for that again? This idea is half baked, but I'm trying to reconcile how his presentation feels both very cliche and formulaic, yet somehow current and fresh.

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