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It's actually becoming a key component of The Decline.
Trump did stupid things.
Trumpkins said the real problem was people pointing out Trump's stupid things.
You are now caught up.
Stop the presses.
If we stopped the presses every time Trump or one of his lackeys availed themselves of his favorite communications media to say something stupid, the presses would never run.
As pointed out this morning, the presses are stopping themselves in favor of following Trump's favorite communications media.
1. Most of that is warrant applications, not the warrants. (The warrants make up about 15% of those pages.)
2. It's not a warrant (application); it's four warrant (applications).
Substance: the vast majority of the pages are blacked out (which allows the Trumpkins to engage in the pure hackery of saying that there's nothing in there other than the dossier). But I read the unredacted stuff, yes.
But, yeah, the NYT is not a local newspaper. It has expressly refocused away from NYC coverage.
It's hard for me to tell, since we haven't been able to get the Late City edition in Washington for close to 30 years, but did the Times ever cover the Metro NYC area as a day-to-day news beat, with reporters filing lots of stories from City Hall or the boroughs? The Washington edition usually has 2 to 4 pages of New York news, but it's mostly devoted to interesting but rather timeless features on local businesses or local characters.
The sports section is even worse in that respect. Last year the Washington edition finally restored the Yankees and Mets game stories instead of just running paragraphs from the AP, but recently those "game stories" have often contained little more than injury reports and / or trade speculation, and almost nothing about the game itself. As I wrote in another thread a few days ago, someone who followed sports only through the Times would think that New York's premier sports team was Manchester United.
I rarely read the Times during my NYC periods (1986-88 and 2002-08). But I remember them as having only the vaguest of notions that Queens or the Bronx even existed.
lol, go back under your rock, it's been 280 for about a year now.
you're a dumbass luddite.
Uh-huh. Or his interviews... or his press availabilities with foreign leaders... or his policies.
Serious people get their news from green-room whores with the sads over their social calendars or hypnotist cartoonists. Because they're serious people.
Judging from the rudimentary design of his MySpace page, Sub-Beta isn't the most tech-savy hipster around.
Hey - YOU try porting from geocities...
Ouch. Homophobic AND Islamophobic (and massively, comically hypocritical) in two words. That is impressive work.
As we know, Iran takes an even harsher view on homosexuality than even the most virulent gay-bashers such as Stephen Colbert. Now that we've all learned what one Poli-Sci professor somewhere thinks about submissive Trump sex jokes, it'd be interesting to hear what some imams feel about Ray’s shocking hate speech. It was a mean spirited, insulting attack for which no mitigating, contextual, non-literal justification can possibly be offered.
And if we’re citing outside experts on gayness and humor, how about Jim Parsons (“The Big Bang Theory”), one of the most successful gay comedians working today? This is how he reacted to Colbert’s intolerable, illiberal “Putin’s cockholster” joke:
manchester, #1358:
Well-known caricaturist Gerald Scarfe depicts diplomacy between Thatcher and Reagan.
Is there anything more sad than a Buckner & Garcia greatest hits tour?
*cough* JE *cough*
Dan Savage on Trump's Helsinki flip-flopping:
Ray's been spouting this same moronically false "if it's mean, then it's not funny, or even a joke" thesis for well over a year now. Ray thinks his tender sensibilities and preferences deserve to be promoted to the status of empirical reality.
But he's so uncompromising about insulting jokes being nothing but "jokes," the question must be asked. Can "mean spirited attacks" and "malicious intent" in the guise of "jokes" EVER be considered legitimate comedy?
Oooh, such a difficult and thorny question. Who to believe?
Should we put our faith in Ray?
Or do we trust Don Rickles, the National Lampoon, the Marx Brothers, “Rick and Morty,” Friars Club roasts, South Park, the film “M*A*S*H,” Sacha Baron Cohen, “The Lady Eve,” Monty Python and “Fawlty Towers,” Charlie Chaplin, Howard Stern, “Seinfeld,” Looney Tunes cartoons, “Animal House,” The Onion, “Chappelle’s Show,” George Carlin, Sam Kinison, “Groundhog Day,” “The Office” (especially the BBC original), “TV Funhouse” and Triumph the Insult Comic Dog, “Veep,” MAD Magazine, "Dr. Strangelove," “SNL,” Mel Brooks, “Inside Amy Schumer,” prank phone calls, “Doonesbury,” “Heathers,” David Letterman, “Brass Eye” and Alan Partridge, W.C. Fields, Spy Magazine, “The Larry Sanders Show,” R. Crumb and Alan Moore and Simon Hanselmann and Joan Cornella and the Perry Bible Fellowship, “Mr. Show,” “Network,” Quentin Tarantino, “Louie,” “His Girl Friday,” “All About Eve,” “The King of Comedy,” “Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind,” “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” “Candid Camera,” and-- oh yes, by the way, only the last 200 years of American political cartooning? Not to mention hate merchant Stephen Colbert. And baseballthinkfactory’s OTP threads.
I'm going to have to think about this one.
Well, if you'd quit being stubborn and use the recommended Netscape browser, his page might give you better results.
How about just Buckner? "On November 17, 2011, Gary Garcia passed away unexpectedly at his home in Englewood, Florida." Wiki
Edit to add: I always liked "Do the Donkey Kong" and it reached 103 on Billboard!
Quiet, you... if you don't just hold your lighter aloft, he's never going to come out for the encore and do Whattabout SNL To Sir With Love!
Clearly to get back to the party of FDR we need internment camps and Supreme Court packing.
Why the hell would a GOP person care or want the Democrats to be the party of FDR? I mean does this GOP Chair want the GOP to emulate the policy initiatives of FDR?
Ouch. Homophobic AND Islamophobic (and massively, comically hypocritical) in two words. That is impressive work.
What's even more impressive is that he'll keep talking about the left's "homophobia" without even the slightest acknowledgement of his own words. He's been doing this sort of thing for like, forever, and it's straight out of Trump's playbook.
If Trump's tweet from very early this morning is to be believed, any minute now...
Clearly to get back to the party of FDR we need internment camps and Supreme Court packing.
Why the hell would a GOP person care or want the Democrats to be the party of FDR? I mean does this GOP Chair want the GOP to emulate the policy initiatives of FDR?
Well, so far they've signed on to both of the policies you've listed above, so you never know.
Looking through the historic NYT database for stuff on Ruth and Williams I recall seeing local articles and headlines plus the NYT covered local sports in depths.
...until Alan Dershowtiz reports what impact it has on his social calendar, how can you know for sure what to think about it?
And if called on it, it'll be "What the hell, I don't have time to answer every post just because you want me to." Convenient.
As noted, he wouldn't recognize homophobia if he saw it, and wouldn't care if he did (unless there were rhetorical points to be scored in so doing).
The 90s through, roughly, the mid-2000s was the heyday of newsprint. And the NYT had really expanded its local coverage along with all its other coverage, creating a whole lot of sections. They've retrenched in recent years, though, making the metro section a small adjunct to their news section.
So, in my genetically anointed capacity as Internet Psychiatrist there may be some rationalization there.
The Trump/Putin stuff isn't "as bad" as calling him a p*ussy or ##### (Hi Sam), but they are borderline. At least it got Ray to fully embrace his inner SJW!
It's actually becoming a key component of The Decline.
Don't be a luddy-duddy! Don't be a mooncalf! Don't be a jabbernowl! You're not those, are you?
This is classic "Modern Republicanism" BTW. They think that if FDR did it, and liberals hero worship FDR, that gives them a pass for the same thing 75 years later. Because they have been operating in "Cult of Personality" mode since 1980.
Pretty much, yes. Jim asked that we do so because of the volume of posts and how that affects the site's underlying structure. Not sure why that doesn't apply to, for example, the NBA or Soccer threads, but ...
AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Pass that over, man...
Who was the cross-eyed silent comic actor who bewailed his lack of work because it was no longer considered funny to make fun of cross-eyed guys? Not only is Algonquin J. Calhoun intolerable, but so are Jewish/Italian/Latino and most other ethnic takes. Except Redneck caricaturing is still okay, I think. Hmmm. Even fat men slipping on banana peels gags are a no-no, and creepy dumb blonde jokes are on life support. Victimhood has progressed from Butterfly McQueen and Mammy to vacuous blond beauties. Now, that's social justice progress. (O, the injustice, O, the cleavage.)
Homophobia in the Service of Anti-Trumpism is Still Homophobic
But, ya know. My charitable read on it is the older libs here (and elsewhere) know this line of attack is homophobic and misogynist, but they will excuse anything so long as they believe it hurts Trump.
Embarrassing on every level.
He must be so proud.
CNN's top headline at the moment is "Russia is choking Trump's presidency". Homophobic? An exercise left to the reader.
I have now seen The Accountant, and I have to say that RDP ranking that movie in his upper pantheon lends... insight. On what, I haven't quite figured out.
That doesn't seem to be his thesis in the least.
It's certainly not mine; mean things can be very funny.
Mine is that it (1) is homophobic; and (2) isn't funny.
Well, it could be that it conveys meaning that is otherwise inexpressible. Remember, censorship, no matter how justified, always has at least that effect. And there are always some comfortable with that, but, of course, uncomfortable with other forms of suppression of expression.
Do we really need a strict scrutiny test here? And if we do, remember, as with racial discrimination, that doesn't make it absolutely and always impermissible. Or does it?
EDITed to add a parenthetical comment.
And it never was, making GB's "not literal, metaphorical" distinction all the more inapposite and bizarre.
No, it would have to be more along the lines of "Russia is choking Trump's chicken presidency."
Not just Trump foes, but instead "in the throes of Trump Derangement Syndrome."
Crackin' me up today!
So everybody's got TDS except you, Ray, Clapper and the FOX folks. Got it.
Really an astonishing document, and although a good bit before my time, the whole civil defense apparatus scared the bejesus out of me as a kid, particularly the test of the EBS. Everytime I'd see a fallout shelter sign, I'd get the sweats.
Maybe the warning signs regarding the power saw in my grandfather's shop class were worse.
But, as I said last thread... this is a common occurrence when one is new to the movement. Early on, it feels liberating and powerful. Eventually, you learn that being an SJW actually requires a continuing cycle of self-reflection and personal improvement.
But they're learning, so I hold out hope.
Oh, except that:
-- it comes on the heels of Trump's terrible, awful, not-very-nice week
-- it comes the week of the start of Manafort's trial.
Other than that, yeah...pretty inexplicable.
I was the same way and I only caught the tail end of it (I'm 53).
Here's another one: my Dad was the CO of his National Guard unit in NYC. One day in 1969, they had a parade down 5th Avenue in full uniform. I sat in the bleachers with my mom and cried hysterically though the whole thing -- I was 4 years old. I was convinced my Dad was gonna end up the way I saw the soldiers on TV -- bleeding on stretchers.
If that doesn't give you sweats, maybe the fact the majority of GOP voters would approve if Trump suspended the 2020 election will.
Or just keep whistling past the graveyard
Some** think he won't even do that. Some** think he'll lose in 2020, call it rigged and simply refuse to leave. Or win in 2020 and refuse to leave in 2025.
**Full disclosure: the "Some" in question are Bill Maher and Michael Moore, so it is an exercise best left yaddayaddayadda.
Usually, if one wishes to cherrypick a single poll to make a point - you specify the poll you've cherrypicked and link to it.
Otherwise, vague assertions about a single poll sans link cause most people to just do a quick check of either 538's aggregate or RCP's aggregate.
Neither of which show anything particularly worth commenting on.
Prepared you for a lifetime of Mets fandom.
I was born winter of '66, so I'm right behind ya on the timeline. Had to be some psychic effect when some of your first memories were Vietnam coverage on tv. Not to mention Tricky Dick.
I'll always have '86...
And yeah. From Viet Nam coverage right into having The Electric Company and ZOOM! pre-empted by Watergate hearings.
Yeah, why would anybody listen to that loon...
Oh, I didn't say I wasn't, but that neither of these guys are everybody's cup o' tea.
Otherwise, vague assertions about a single poll sans link cause most people to just do a quick check of either 538's aggregate or RCP's aggregate.
Neither of which show anything particularly worth commenting on.
I know it is a tired trope to say that we got Trump because we were mean to him but it is generally true than when one side of the political spectrum attacks the established leader of the other side that side tends to rally behind that leader regardless of how stupid doing that is.
It would be absolutely stupid to think that 40% of the population want us to be close allies with Russia, that Russia has good intentions for us, and that are allies are lazy meanies that are our true enemies. But since Trump is saying that and being attacked for it people feel the need to defend him. Before June of 2015 the amount of people in the GOP that wanted what Trump wanted in terms of foreign policy was probably well below 10% of the party. Now suddenly all these people have seen the light? No.
While we cry hysterically through the whole thing.
It's somewhat less of a bind when you consider that poor taste, and marginal mysogyny, and homophobia (if done wrong) are not in of themselves disqualifying reasons to attempt a joke.
I'm not a fan of Colbert's cockholster joke because (a) it's not funny, and (b) because it was part of a larger segment about speed-"roasting" Donald Trump that wasn't successful, and was just one of a string of insult words in which the volume and velocity was intended to make up for the lack of cleverness.
The fact that the line used servile sex as political metaphor is just fine. The fact that the joke upset some people who still wail about it more than a year later retroactively validates it (though it still doesn't make it funny).
I've cited this comparison before. Three months before the dawn of cockholster, Colbert told a similar but overwhelmingly superior joke. It was after Donald Trump was doing one of his rallies, and he randomly started decrying imaginary terror attacks in Sweden, saying "Sweden, who would believe this?" In response, former Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt had tweeted about Trump, “Sweden? Terror attack? What has he been smoking?” Colbert read Bildt's tweet and then replied, “What has he been smoking? Uh… Vladimir Putin’s dick?” Now that's a quality "servicing Putin" joke, with a 90-degree lurch to the surprise punchline. I'll defend the right of either joke to exist, but the one with comedic merit is the winner.
Anyway, when do we get back to Donald Trump being a traitor? And in related news...
Met Fan Charlie, #60:
A reasonable theory. I think Trump may have successfully sneaked his motivation by, though.
Sky News: The Guardian:Wall Street Journal: Alisyn Camerota, CNN:MSNBC:
But we as voters (regardless of party) do this pretty much every 2 years. It's why it is extremely hard to have 3 terms for the same party. We will eternally be ever unhappy with our government. If you aren't personally driving a Ferrari and live in a mansion you'll think the government should do more for you and if you do get to that point you'll think the government is taking too much from you.
That reminds me of a slowfooted and dimwitted American Legion teammate who tried to steal second in the last of the 9th when we were 4 or 5 runs behind.
After he was thrown out with 10 feet to spare, he said he was "just trying to shake up the pitcher".
Yup, nothing to see here ... move along!
In theory perhaps. In practice I dislike using any sexual metaphor as commentary on non-sexual power dynamics (political or not). It tends to be unfunny, distasteful, and obscure rather than illuminate.
That is my personal preferences talking though.
Legendary Knicks writer Frank Isola among those to get axed
Interestingly enough -
GOP Criticism Of Trump Is All Talk — But It Still Matters
I think the whole thing is well worth reading - and I agree, with some additions.
First, as always, people still have this tendency to analyze reaction/approval/popularity of Trump without remembering (as in, they truly seem to forget) that half the country or more hates him. Now... out of that 63 million or 44% of the country that either loves him, just hated Hillary that much, decided "well, let's see what happens", or just voted laundry - has he lost any of it? More than likely, he has... for the simple reason that some of those "vote and pray" have now seen that no, he's never going to "become Presidential"... not to mention, Hillary is no longer a factor. Who knows what the numbers are - but for a guy who was already well under water, even shedding a point or two of support is a big problem.
Conversely, has he converted any skeptics or opposition? Hard to see where that's the case. The numbers bear it out. We've had numerous elections since November 2016 - they bear it out.
In short - chasing Trump voters is pretty stupid... at least, I think it's a waste of time. Better to let the natural erosion of support do its work, wait for the approaching economic downturn - inevitable without Trump's stupidity, now only hastened if not exacerbated by it - peel off a few more, and pre-Trump conservatives/Republicans continue to get to that "not my party anymore" point.
Roughly half the country voted in 2016. Generally, one-third votes in midterms.
It is truly unfortunate that in a country of some 300-330 million - there were a bit shy of 63 million who thought this buffoon was worth the risk. It's even sadder that there are probably at least 40 million - maybe as many as 50 million - who will follow him down whatever spiral he leads them.
Nothing can be done about them, though... Best to keep the 66 million charged up in their opposition, welcome a few million more scraps who make their own decision to abandon the orange circus where and under whatever conditions they see fit to exit, and focus on convincing some of the 100 million+ who didn't bother that Trump and his base constitute a clear and present danger and that taking the time to vote and activate is a necessity.
Politico:
Damn, from what I can tell he was the only guy left in the NYC scene that had any real sources on the Knicks.
Nobody is more divisive than Clinton. It is simply not possible for any Democrat to run in 2020 with more polarizing numbers than Clinton for the simple reason that no human being exists on the planet - at least, eligible to run for US President - who had a sustained 25 year onslaught of opposition, memes, histrionics, and rumor. The Clinton II does not exist.
Beyond that though, what you say just emphasizes my point. So Trump keeps all 63 million. I doubt he does, but whatever. Absent a viable 3rd candidate - 46% usually loses. I don't care what the EC map looks like - in a nominally two-person race, it loses, 99 times out of 100.
Regardless, though - I loathe even talking about 2020.
There's still a 2018. And 2019-2020 looks a LOT different with even just one chamber of Congress actually functioning as a co-equal branch and exercising its oversight authority rather than playing vanguard.
I am entirely confidant that 2017-2018 will mark the high water mark of Trump's popularity.
Until the GOP decides to make one. Sequels are never as good as the original but they also don't need to be to get the same reach or greater.
I dunno. If the GOP loses a chamber, that just gives the Trump marketing machine more grist for the "Dems are stalling" mill. Say what you will about the man, he knows how to manipulate a significant portion of the electorate. I agree that hating HRC was a huge component in 2016 that's unlikely to be repeated, I would just hate for - frankly, ANYONE - to become complacent about a Trump fadeout.
Hilariously, I don't think it's "new"... In fact, I'm pretty sure this is actually the very poll Perros was touting at the tail end of last OTP thread and re-touted above (i.e., I see it's the one showing 88% GOP approval, and if you click through a few of the teaser stories - you also find it appears to be the source of the 'Helsinki was awesome!').
As such polls often do - hey, they're not free - it would appear that NBC/WSJ basically teased out some toplines yesterday... but now we get the meat.
And the meat says -
#1 This poll was in the field starting July 15 (the day before the Helsinki presser) through July 18. Which means - half the respondents were reacting to Helsinki before, well... Hell sunk.
#2 - 46% strongly disapprove of Trump.... the strong numbers - especially in advance of a midterm - matter more than anything else.
Gowdy also says that "Carter Page is more like Inspector Gadget then he is Jason Bourne or James Bond." And he wants the public to understand that because treason is a capital crime, John Brennan might be willing to see Donald Trump hanged by the neck until dead.
Trey Gowdy is the chairman of the House Oversight Committee.
It's quite easy for people to construct fantasies where he grows up, becomes Presidential, or otherwise solves every ill because by golly - he's different than a politician.
He's no longer some theoretical where people can foist their best hopes and dreams onto him.
So let him.
I'm tired of pretending that Democrats alone exist in this hole where Trump/Republicans are hugely popular and the only way for Democrats to win is to lure some Republicans on board.
For 2018 - given historical midterm turnout and what tends to matter most - I want people who already hate Trump REALLY hating him and crawling over broken glass to vote for people from NOT his party... everywhere.
Beyond that? He doesn't know how to manipulate people any better than Fox News and company have been for decades. The only difference is that now, the two have merged into one in the same.
I'm tired of chasing the whatever proportion of the GOP base that would literally vote for Satan or Hitler or Stalin or whatever so long as that candidate said uncouth and unkind things about liberals. It's a complete exercise in futility.
Anyone still supporting Trump is not worth the time or effort.... or to the extent they are, just fish for them with the same stupid promises bait (it's so easy! I alone can fix it! whatever) Trump used.
This is not a call for complacency... it's a call to stop pretending there's any kind of rhetoric or tactic or whatever to get people who think someone like Trump works to consider an alternative.
Hating on him seems to be working quite well, per both the polls and dozens upon dozens of elections since 2016. Keep doing what works.
Nate pointed out the other day that it's simply poor analysis for people to keep picking apart the polls and talking about how Republicans feel about Trump, rather than how the country feels about him.
(As I keep pointing out, that's because "Republicans" is a self-selected group. People who don't support him are less likely to call themselves Republicans, even if they formerly did.)
2-3 years ago Gowdy was a rising GOP star (thanks Hillary) with probable ambitions for a senate challenge or gubernatorial, and an eventual run for POTUS. Now he's "retiring" from politics to get back into law and family full time.
Doesn't really make much sense imo. I think he's either seen the writing on the wall for the GOP in the era of Trump and wants no part of it, or he himself is wrapped up in this Russian business.
This is moving the goalposts. Nobody thinks Carter Page is Jason Bourne or James Bond. He acts like a complete moron whenever he is interviewed on TV. Russians themselves have been caught on tape referring to him as a 'useful idiot' or some sort of empty vessel.
Nice try -- only problem is that I'm not remotely "new to the movement" and am probably more of a social liberal than anyone on the board. Certainly right up there.
Don't confuse modern liberalism with actual liberalism. Common flaw.
Wait until Chelsea runs!
Apropos of nothing, about 20 years ago, walking down 9th Avenue mid town manhattan, I *literally* slipped on a banana peel. It *was* hilarious, but since I am not fat, I didn't actually fall (but it was a near run thing)
Fair enough.
She may well be the most compassionate genius on the face of the earth, but yes... whatever her talents, I oppose her entry into the political realm.
Me too. I guess to get over it I became obsessed with post-apocalypse fiction. I guess these days, kids are afraid of zombies. Or Trump. Or Trumpista Zombies.
And yet Mike Lupica -- like a cockroach; like Keith Richards; like Kirk Douglas -- survives.
Nah, he'd been frozen out by the Garden and wound up pretty much just making #### up. The Garden's mouthpiece is Marc Berman, the Post's Knick beat guy.
I mean, I like Isola and it sucks that the Daily News is falling apart, but he didn't have much more on the Knicks than "See, I told you Isiah would rise again!" He is pretty well tapped in to some guys, like Kyrie and to a degree LeBron.
Didn't Babe Ruth do this? In the 7th game of the WS no less?
Didn't Babe Ruth do this? In the 7th game of the WS no less?
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA192610100.shtml
Down 1 run, too. Bob Meusel was at the plate. Lou Gehrig was on deck. Hornsby made the tag. It was Hornsby's only WS championship. Pete Alexander was on the mound. His only ring, too.
Back to politics: when Ronald Reagan played Alexander in the movie, they changed the ending of the game to not be Ruth's WS, but Lazzeri's 7th inning strikeout with the bases loaded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winning_Team
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