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@peter_wehner:
British farmers worry: Who will pick the fruit after Brexit?
5 of the 10 most pro-Brexit constituencies in the referendum were in Lincolnshire, where the main industry is arable farming and they are highly dependant on EU workers to pick fruit and veg as the locals won't do it for the money offered.
On a similar theme, Ebbw Vale in Wales, which receives more EU money per head of population than anywhere else in the UK, is a former coal and steel town of the type ignored by Tory Governments, and which has very few ethnic minority residents, voted 77-23 for Brexit.
Turkeys vote for Christmas.
Justice Ginsburg has said this before, indicating that she wanted to emulate Justice John Paul Stevens, who served to that age. However, just as Ginsburg reneged on her pledge to move to New Zealand, I doubt that she will voluntarily retire in 2023 if Trump or another Republican is in office.
1. Steele, whether he was an independent contractor or an agent, was acting for the Clinton campaign. This is not in dispute.
2. If he did nothing wrong then whichever he was -- independent contractor or agent -- is irrelevant to Hillary's culpability or lack thereof. And so your tortured respondeat superior analogy is a distraction. If you actually believed that Steele did nothing wrong then do you know what your argument with respect to Hillary would be? It would be that even if she knew what Steele was up to and/or was controlling him it doesn't matter; since _he_ did nothing wrong then even if she knew of it or controlled it _she_ did nothing wrong.
Example which shows this in practice: I think the Don Jr. meeting is a nothingburger and that the campaign did nothing wrong by taking the meeting. So I have argued on these pages -- maybe Baravelli can find it -- that it doesn't matter whether Trump Sr. knew or didn't know about the meeting because knowing about or directing a nothingburger meeting is itself a nothingburger.
You haven't argued that w/r/t Clinton-Steele. Why not? One wonders. Instead you've hid behind independent contractor, you've hid behind "The campaign hired an American company who hired someone who hired Steele and therefore because these artificial walls of separation were constructed Hillary is protected." Why would you argue something like that, instead of just saying flat out "Whether Hillary knew what Steele was up to or directed Steele is irrelevant; since Steele did nothing wrong then Hillary couldn't have."
This is how we know that you're simply playing to the people in this thread who aren't able to follow the issues here but who know - they just know - that Trump's campaign did something wrong but Hillary's didn't.
Newsweek: TRUMP-SUPPORTING SOYBEAN FARMERS SAY THEY'LL GLADLY SUFFER 'TO THE DEATH' FOR HIS TRADE WAR
What if it's 2024?
Senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure (Source A).
Former top level Russian intel officer still active inside the Kremlin (Source B), via trusted compatriot.
That's not how I'm describing Steele's sources; that's how Steele described them. And you and Shipman can huff and puff all you want and you won't be able to change that. So all of your "if this then why on earth that?" thought experiment arguments pale in comparison to the fact that the way these sources are described in the dossier makes them sound like current or former Russian government officials closely connected to the Kremlin, and your "hey, well, maybe they weren't acting on behalf of the Russian government" is just rank speculation on your part -- unfounded, and unable to outweigh the way Steele described his own sources.
What if it's 2024?
New here? Supreme Court Justices don't voluntarily retire during presidential election years.
David has in fact argued that. You just choose to ignore it.
There was no wrongdoing by Steele. There was no wrongdoing by the Clinton campaign in this matter. This is all bog standard stuff that you are choosing to try to conflate for purposes of muddying the waters. As you have been told ad nauseum.
I actually agree with that; when judged by _my_ standards, neither Clinton nor Trump (nor Don Jr. et al) did anything wrong (*).
However, when judged by YOUR standards in which you conclude wrongdoing for Trump and his campaign, then what Hillary and her campaign did was not only wrongdoing as well but was far worse.
(*) Well, I'm not a big fan of peddling the oppo research your British spy claims he got from the Russians to the FBI, but this is politics and politics are sleazy. One thing is clear however: this is worse than what we know the Trump campaign did. Hell, the silly Don Jr. meeting didn't even produce anything, and they came to him. Not so for what Steele claims to have turned up, and Steele -- hired by someone who was hired by someone who was hired by the Clinton campaign -- went to them.
I think it's important that standards are applied consistently to both campaigns. Otherwise it's just intellectual dishonesty and abject hackery.
Those are both assumptions. For all anyone here knows, Steele's dossier could be a fabrication as to its key details, knowingly commissioned by the Clinton campaign. It's also possible that both were aware they were being played by the Russians, but didn't care as long as they obtained material usable against Trump.
And it's possible that the Illuminati are behind it all.
But here on planet earth, we make assumptions based off reporting by reputable outlets.
And it's possible that the Illuminati are behind it all. But here on planet earth, we make assumptions based off reporting by reputable outlets.
What reporting has established the veracity of Steele's dossier, or that he didn't knowingly utilize info supplied by Russian intelligence?
Sigh. Again we see the same mistake. "Strong supporters of President Trump" are a self-selected group. That they trust him is what makes them strong supporters. Strong supporters of Lyndon LaRouche or L. Ron Hubbard or O.J. Simpson also trust LaRouche, Hubbard, or O.J., respectively. The relevant consideration is how big that group is, not the tautological fact that the group meets the group's definition.
Or, as the saying goes, "'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party."
(Your analogy to the Trump Tower Treason doesn't work, because Trump Sr.'s campaign did know about it. So if it was wrong -- as every sane person knows it was -- then the campaign (even if not Trump Sr. personally) )was involved in wrongdoing. And while Trump Sr. can't be impeached because of wrongdoing by his campaign, he personally engaged in wrongdoing when he tried to cover it up.)
"In total, four farmers were included on the CBS panel."
You can't get more rigorous than that!
It doesn't need to "outweigh" anything, because the way Steele described them in no way contradicts what I said. And it's not at all rank speculation; it's informed deduction.
Your argument is off track. The only possibility other than the straightforward one is that Steele/Clinton were not aware they were being played: the Russians fed disinformation to Steele. But if that's what happened, then it doesn't constitute collusion -- just gullibility by Steele. And we're back to the issue of why the Russians would take that convoluted approach rather than just releasing the disinformation directly.
Reading is fundamental. Or I guess in the case of YC, dishonesty is fundamental.
She said "at least" 5 more years. As in 5 or more. It is not actually reneging if she stays longer than 5 years... Of course, won't stop YC from calling her a dishonest fraud 5 years from now, if she does.
Click your heels three times and it might come true, but unfortunately it won't help the people who have been on the other side lo these past couple decades.
If he offers you Kool-Aid, my advice would be to say "No," though one suspects that if he said, "Great job on that fellate Iran thing, GB -- you really showed them!!," you'd quickly line up for a double.
You spelled "delusion" wrong.
That's not an "issue," it's TDS. There's nothing remotely "convoluted" about intelligence types doing things obliquely rather than directly.
Yes, it would -- in the very same way you and the other cultists have claimed the Trump, Jr. meeting was "collusion" even though he was played by being promised something and not getting it.
The only reason you found yourself on the other side is because you had the stamp.
Another example of why truth is frequently stranger than fiction.
But then their ultimate defense of Trump's lying is little more than an endlessly repeated chorus of "What of it?". This has been Ray's main rhetorical device ever since the day he stumbled upon Scott Adams, and he shows no sign of letting up.
Hey, my son thinks he's a policeman. Dresses up like one, carries the gear, goes around handing out tickets and violating people's rights, etc. Doesn't make him crazy.
Of course, he's seven, so...
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