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Friday, December 06, 2019

Padres-Rays Trade: Tommy Pham, Hunter Renfroe Headline Intriguing Deal (Report)

The Padres acquired outfielder Tommy Pham from the Rays on Thursday night. In exchange, they sent away 2019 home run leader Hunter Renfroe and highly-regarded prospect Xavier Edwards.

Pham is the fourth major leaguer the Padres acquired to plug into their starting lineup or rotation in the last eight days. They acquired outfielder Trent Grisham and righthander Zach Davies from the Brewers on Nov. 27 and second baseman Jurickson Profar from the Athletics on Dec. 2

The deal, while agreed upon, is not yet finalized. MLB.com’s Juan Toribio reports it’s possible the Rays could acquire one additional prospect who has yet to be named.

Jim Furtado Posted: December 06, 2019 at 08:25 AM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 06, 2019 at 09:18 AM (#5906170)
Apparently at least one of the Rays isn't a fan of the move.

Sounds like the Padres are also getting another minor leaguer, two-way player Jake Cronenworth (a much better prospect as a middle infielder).
   2. PreservedFish Posted: December 06, 2019 at 09:27 AM (#5906173)
Is Hunter Renfroe really an elite fielder? +22 Rfield, but my impression of him has always been that he's a lumbering type. I think Pham might have a few very good years left in him. Of course I know nothing about the prospects, so I really cannot judge.
   3. Rally Posted: December 06, 2019 at 09:50 AM (#5906178)
Statcast outs above average has him at +6.
   4. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: December 06, 2019 at 09:52 AM (#5906179)
Scouting (when he was a minor leaguer) suggested he'd be average or a bit better in the corners, which is how I read the whole of his big league time defensively.

Cronenworth is interesting as a guy who came out of nowhere in a lot of ways last year (iirc, JJ Cooper had flagged him as a possible R5 pick last year, but I'd never seen him on a top 30 prospect list or anything). Athletic but without "great tools", credible at short, gets on base, can play all over the field, won a AAA batting title last year (.334/.429/.520; 147 OPS+, best hitting year as a pro). Kind of an upscale Greg Garcia? Also pitched 7.1 innings with allowing an earned run, but strictly a mop up guy at this point (imo) - uses low to mid 90s fastball/splitter combo, was the closer at Michigan in college.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 06, 2019 at 10:12 AM (#5906187)
I get it from a Rays perspective, Renfroe could be 80 percent of Pham at a lower cost (Pham may start declining too), and Edwards is a very nice prospect. But aren't they at the point where they should be cashing in chips and contending, not stocking up more prospects?
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 06, 2019 at 10:24 AM (#5906198)
I get it from a Rays perspective, Renfroe could be 80 percent of Pham at a lower cost

More likely 50% of Pham; I don't believe that +22 Rfield.
   7. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 06, 2019 at 10:47 AM (#5906212)
Is Hunter Renfroe really an elite fielder? +22 Rfield, but my impression of him has always been that he's a lumbering type.


He was apparently playing with bone spurs in his foot last year, which might account for at least some of the lumbering.
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 06, 2019 at 10:53 AM (#5906217)
He was apparently playing with bone spurs in his foot last year, which might account for at least some of the lumbering.

Last year was the +22 RField though. I guess he should keep the bone spurs.
   9. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 06, 2019 at 10:59 AM (#5906222)
(Pham may start declining too)


I feel like kind of a jerk for bringing it up, but it is potentially relevant: Pham has a degenerative vision condition called keratoconus. Maybe there's a bit of the "better a year too early than a year too late" thinking by the Rays here?
   10. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: December 06, 2019 at 11:13 AM (#5906226)
Pham has a degenerative vision condition called keratoconus.


Google just now confirmed my memory about being diagnosed with that as well a couple of years back. Obviously, as with everything else degrees of severity differ dramatically from individual to individual, but at age 60 my case is apparently quite mild*, as I've yet to be prescribed any sort of corrective lens (last year I was fitted with 2 lens per eye, but the optometrist/ophthalmologist [don't remember which one ... hell, here in central Alabama I suppose it could've been some sort of shaman instead] determined that the impact wasn't enough to warrant them). Main advice I was given was to avoid rubbing my eyes ... so of course I'm constantly wanting to rub my eyes.


*in keeping with my mild cases of type 2 diabetes, bipolar II & Crohn's disease -- it's as if I just can't commit. I try to make up for such moderation with diving headlong into curmudgeonhood, though.
   11. bunyon Posted: December 06, 2019 at 11:22 AM (#5906233)
Pham has a degenerative vision condition called keratoconus.


Google just now confirmed my memory about being diagnosed with that as well a couple of years back.


You can get your medical records through Google?
   12. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: December 06, 2019 at 11:25 AM (#5906235)
You can get your medical records through Google?


No, but the name rang a bell, & the definition matched, pretty much word-for-word, what I was told.

I should note that I have no idea how long the condition may have been developing in my case, as I didn't go to an optometrist from roughly 2000-2016, when my doctor sent me to one in conjunction with the diabetes diagnosis.
   13. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 06, 2019 at 12:03 PM (#5906256)
So, nobody has anything to say about Snell calling Edwards a "slap-dick prospect," then?
   14. alilisd Posted: December 06, 2019 at 12:07 PM (#5906261)
2: Lumbering is overstating, but I understand what you’re saying having watched him a good bit. I didn’t know about the bone spurs but that certainly could be a contributing factor. I’d say he’s not smooth, but he’s still athletic. He also has an excellent arm. He’s a plus OF, but not a GG caliber guy , and he can play both corners. He also seemed to make a little progress at the plate last year.

I really don’t understand Preller much of the time. I like Pham, but how does exchanging him for a quite similar player in terms of overall value if not shape of performance who is three years younger help the team? The prospects mentioned certainly don’t seem to be the key to the deal either.
   15. PreservedFish Posted: December 06, 2019 at 12:13 PM (#5906262)
They are acting like a team that thinks it's competitive.
   16. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 06, 2019 at 12:13 PM (#5906263)
So, nobody has anything to say about Snell calling Edwards a "slap-dick prospect," then?
Snell has never struck me as a particularly bright or non-douchy person.
   17. PreservedFish Posted: December 06, 2019 at 12:18 PM (#5906267)
Is it supposed to be controversial or something?
   18. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: December 06, 2019 at 12:22 PM (#5906270)
"slap-dick prospect,"
I would not recommend slapping Dick Allen.
   19. alilisd Posted: December 06, 2019 at 12:27 PM (#5906273)
15: In what way do you think?
   20. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: December 06, 2019 at 12:39 PM (#5906275)
[7]

He was apparently playing with bone spurs in his foot last year, which might account for at least some of the lumbering.


And would keep him away from Viet Nam...
   21. Rally Posted: December 06, 2019 at 01:22 PM (#5906281)
Google just now confirmed my memory about being diagnosed with that as well a couple of years back.


Did not know that. I have that too, my eye doctor first told me about that more than 20 years ago. I couldn't hit MLB pitching today, but then again I couldn't have done so before the diagnosis either. As far as hitting a softball, I did roughly as well last summer at age 48 as I did 20 years ago. I was told at the time I might one day need a cornea transplant, but that day has not come yet.

I hope Tommy's eye holds up as well as mine has, if so then he should be able to have a normal decline phase. He's 32 so odds are he's got no more than 3-6 years left even if 100% healthy.
   22. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 06, 2019 at 01:39 PM (#5906290)
Update: Snell apparently apologized for the "slap-dick" thing later in the stream, though he still doesn't like the trade.
   23. Walt Davis Posted: December 06, 2019 at 01:43 PM (#5906293)
You can get your medical records through Google?

Ummm ... there's a reasonable chance Google has them.

(Note, the linked article is at least a bit alarmist -- the records are still subject to health privacy laws -- but apparently Google are planning to do exciting data science-y things with the records and just how far do you want to trust them ... or Amazon or MS or IBM ... or your insurance company ... with your health records?)
   24. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: December 06, 2019 at 02:06 PM (#5906304)
Steph Curry supposedly has it as well, per an article I read in the Athletic today about a Minnesota Timberwolves staffer.
   25. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: December 06, 2019 at 02:10 PM (#5906307)
was told at the time I might one day need a cornea transplant, but that day has not come yet.


Neglected to mention that, but yes -- same here.

Never occurred to me before, but it makes me wonder if the corneal changes have anything to do with how I stopped needing (or perhaps more accurately, deriving any appreciable improvement from) corrective lenses some 20 years ago after about 2.5 decades of glasses & soft contacts.
   26. Skloot Insurance Posted: December 06, 2019 at 02:43 PM (#5906319)
I really don’t understand Preller much of the time. I like Pham, but how does exchanging him for a quite similar player in terms of overall value if not shape of performance who is three years younger help the team? The prospects mentioned certainly don’t seem to be the key to the deal either.


(1) Exchanging Renfroe for Pham improves the Padres' on-base ability from that field position by 50 points versus righthanders. Renfroe's .274 OBP versus righties is a continuation of a career-long trend. Having Pham in the lineup instead of Renfroe for 500 PA is worth an extra 25 times on base. Or more.

(2) Because of his on-base ability, Pham is a better fit at the top of the order, rather than batting 6th or 7th, where Renfroe belongs (versus righties anyway).

(3) Cronenworth gives the Padres insurance at second base, where Profar is the supposed starter. He also gives the Padres a true backup shortstop, which they currently lack.
   27. alilisd Posted: December 06, 2019 at 06:18 PM (#5906395)
26: Yeah as I looked at it more closely it seems it could be a small upgrade, a win or two perhaps. And if you think you’re a contender in the next year or two, the age difference doesn’t matter. A win or two could be the difference between a play in game or missing entirely, or between winning a division and hoping for a play in game. I just don’t see them being that close. The only team worse in the NL last year was the Marlins. They didn’t under perform based on their Pythagorean record. Pitching will have to improve significantly and build up to a lot more innings from the young starters. I hope next year will be a good growth year for them with another year of development for the prospects, but a 20 win improvement is not in the offing. Maybe Pham can help us in 2021 when we might be close to contending

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