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   1. Meatwad Posted: May 27, 2021 at 01:55 PM (#6021125)
Cubs steal a run in the third in such a way that makes you think the pirates 1b has never played baseball before.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 27, 2021 at 02:18 PM (#6021129)
I mean, it's the Pirates, so it might actually be the case. Who are they running out there these days?
   3. SoSH U at work Posted: May 27, 2021 at 02:20 PM (#6021130)
I don't know if we'll see a worse play this year.
   4. JJ1986 Posted: May 27, 2021 at 02:24 PM (#6021132)
There were 2 outs on the play! How did he not step on first?
   5. Scott Lange Posted: May 27, 2021 at 02:32 PM (#6021134)
   6. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 27, 2021 at 02:33 PM (#6021135)
Here's the video. Only Javy, man. He just makes the fielders do dumb #### constantly.

EDIT: coke to you, Scott.
   7. Brian C Posted: May 27, 2021 at 02:33 PM (#6021136)
EDIT: Whoops, never mind. Had the details of the play reversed. All praise and glory to El Mago!
   8. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 27, 2021 at 02:35 PM (#6021138)
   9. Kiko Sakata Posted: May 27, 2021 at 02:36 PM (#6021139)
I don't know if we'll see a worse play this year.


No hyperbole, that has to be on the short list of worst plays in MLB history, doesn't it? Literally, if the first baseman takes two steps back and steps on first base, the inning is over.

For those who haven't seen it, here's the play. Audio for that is the Pirates' radio announcers. And be sure to watch to the end for Anthony Rizzo's reaction in the dugout.

Multiple cokes, especially #8.
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: May 27, 2021 at 02:40 PM (#6021141)
Hell, if they just end up executing the throw to first base and the second baseman beats Javy to the bag, the run still doesn't count. At any point in the play, the first baseman could have realized that he just had to beat Javy to the bag and nothing else mattered.
   11. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: May 27, 2021 at 02:48 PM (#6021143)
Hendricks has a bit of a HR problem this year. He's up to 14 allowed so far this year after the 3 solo shots today.
   12. AndrewJ Posted: May 27, 2021 at 02:54 PM (#6021144)
I don't know if we'll see a worse play this year.

2021 Phillies: "Hold my beer."
   13. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 27, 2021 at 02:55 PM (#6021145)
I had to watch the clip several times because I legitimately couldn't process what I was seeing.
   14. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: May 27, 2021 at 02:57 PM (#6021146)
My favorite part is Baez enthusiastically making the "safe" sign and then still beating the throw to first. Which is of course offline, so Javy scoots into second. Just unbelievable.
   15. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 27, 2021 at 03:18 PM (#6021149)

Is there an equivalent term for a TOOTBLAN by a fielder?

   16. mathesond Posted: May 27, 2021 at 03:43 PM (#6021151)
"Is there an equivalent term for a TOOTBLAN by a fielder?"

It might be known as a "Will Craig" from now on.
   17. Howie Menckel Posted: May 27, 2021 at 03:50 PM (#6021153)

Mets lineup today:

Villar 3B .223
Lindor SS .185
McCann 1B .196 (yes, a C at 1B)
McKinney RF .205 (debut after DFA by MIL)
Nido C .260 (!)
Drury LF .250 (hasbeen/recent callup)
Peraza 2B .200 (ditto)
Maybin CF .000 (0 for 21, w 11 K)
Stroman P .063 (shouldn't he have been batting higher?)

only Lindor and McCann were part of the original 2021 plan

the Mets won, of course - getting 3 hits including a Peraza HR in a 1-0 final
   18. Kiko Sakata Posted: May 27, 2021 at 04:09 PM (#6021154)
Cubs steal a run in the third in such a way that makes you think the pirates 1b has never played baseball before.


Cubs actually got two runs out of that play - Baez came around and scored later in the inning. And the Cubs won today's game by ... two runs.
   19. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: May 27, 2021 at 04:10 PM (#6021155)
Mets lineup today:

Villar 3B .223
Lindor SS .185
McCann 1B .196 (yes, a C at 1B)
McKinney RF .205 (debut after DFA by MIL)
Nido C .260 (!)
Drury LF .250 (hasbeen/recent callup)
Peraza 2B .200 (ditto)
Maybin CF .000 (0 for 21, w 11 K)
Stroman P .063 (shouldn't he have been batting higher?)

only Lindor and McCann were part of the original 2021 plan

the Mets won, of course - getting 3 hits including a Peraza HR in a 1-0 final


Wow. The Mets went 3-for-20, a .150 average, for the game, and won because one of their three hits was a solo HR, basically. The lineup's collective BA actually went down today. Ugh.
   20. JJ1986 Posted: May 27, 2021 at 04:19 PM (#6021159)
What is the record for hitless at-bats to start a season? Asking for my friend Cameron.
   21. Nasty Nate Posted: May 27, 2021 at 04:26 PM (#6021160)
That play was awesome to watch...and that was before I came to this thread and realized there were 2 outs - which makes it even more awesome.
   22. bunyon Posted: May 27, 2021 at 04:30 PM (#6021161)
I heard my wife watching baseball so went upstairs. Evidently she came upon that link with the title "Worst baseball play ever". I scoffed and she said, no, I think it might be. But you know better than me. I watched it once and then it replayed. The second time I realized there were two outs. And then realized that if the second baseman had gotten his butt over to first, they still had an excellent chance of retiring Baez and erasing the run. And then the throw. And the second throw.

My goodness.

The next five or six watches weren't analytical. Just entertainment. I may watch it all summer.

Will Craig also went 0 for 4. Unfortunately, he only struck out once. Still, not only is that, perhaps, the worst play ever in MLB history, with his 0 for 4 and his #### up allowing two unearned runs in a 5-3 loss, that may be in the running for worst game by a position player in MLB history. How marvelous.
   23. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 27, 2021 at 04:38 PM (#6021162)
Oof. I just watched it. I feel bad for the guy - that's like a brain shart that results in explosive diarrhea.
   24. SoSH U at work Posted: May 27, 2021 at 04:50 PM (#6021165)
And then realized that if the second baseman had gotten his butt over to first, they still had an excellent chance of retiring Baez and erasing the run.


I wonder if the Pirates broadcasters ever realized that. As was the case with you, it wasn't until the second watching where it dawned on me that none of the stuff at home plate mattered - that if they just retired Baez the run doesn't count.
   25. bunyon Posted: May 27, 2021 at 04:57 PM (#6021167)
I can’t recall, if you tag a forced runner, does it still erase the run? Or can you only erase a runner who has already crossed the plate by executing the force?
   26. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 27, 2021 at 05:00 PM (#6021169)
Among many other reasons, I'm glad the Baez/Craig play gave mlb.com a reason to link to this play, which I had not seen or thought about in quite a while. Still glorious, 9 years later.
   27. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 27, 2021 at 05:09 PM (#6021171)
No, this is the worst play ever by virtue of it resulting in a Yankees win. All Jack Cust has to do is NOT FALL DOWN as he runs toward an UNGUARDED HOME PLATE IN EXTRA INNINGS and the game is tied with the home Orioles still batting with a runner on 2nd.

Instead, he fell down.... undoubtedly tripped up by Mystique and Aura.
   28. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 27, 2021 at 05:14 PM (#6021172)
I can’t recall, if you tag a forced runner, does it still erase the run? Or can you only erase a runner who has already crossed the plate by executing the force?

The run doesn’t score until all the forced players reach their designated base. So tagging the runner would still have “erased” the run.
   29. pikepredator Posted: May 27, 2021 at 05:40 PM (#6021176)
I had to watch the clip several times because I legitimately couldn't process what I was seeing.


Same here. probably true for everyone. The first couple times through it's like "What am I missing, why is this happening??"
   30. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: May 27, 2021 at 05:49 PM (#6021177)
The play is entertaining on so many levels. Leaving aside the part about not tagging or just going to the bag, or when Baez plays up there with the safe sign but my favourite part is that not 1, not 2, but 3 throws to 3 different bases(including home) are terrible. The throw home was high(had to throw over Baez, throw to 1B is way off line and the throw 2B nearly hits Baez and the player on the bag can't catch the ball. It's keystone cops level comedy.
   31. sanny manguillen Posted: May 27, 2021 at 06:05 PM (#6021178)
Just to record the fact: Baez took 15 seconds to travel from home to first.
   32. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 27, 2021 at 06:07 PM (#6021179)


Wow. The Mets went 3-for-20, a .150 average, for the game, and won because one of their three hits was a solo HR, basically. The lineup's collective BA actually went down today. Ugh.


Hey, the day wasn't over yet! They scored 4 runs in game 2 despite slugger Tomas Nido getting the game off and the team going 5-for-21. They won both ends of the doubleheader despite batting .195 on the day. And it's sad to say, I had to doublecheck to see whether that in fact brought down the team batting average (it did).
   33. sanny manguillen Posted: May 27, 2021 at 06:08 PM (#6021180)
For those wondering: first baseman Will Craig is a Pirate No. 1 pick from 2016. So that explains quite a bit.
   34. mathesond Posted: May 27, 2021 at 06:24 PM (#6021182)
Not a bad debut for Alek Manoah - 6 shutout innings, 2 hits, 2 walks, 7Ks, and a very excited mom in the stands.
   35. Walt Davis Posted: May 27, 2021 at 06:27 PM (#6021183)
Just to record the fact: Baez took 15 seconds to travel from home to first

In fairness, he went to first to home to first
   36. Walt Davis Posted: May 27, 2021 at 07:15 PM (#6021192)
And obviously tangential to all the Javy fun, the Cubs are currently tied for 1st in the NLC.
   37. Bret Sabermatrician Posted: May 27, 2021 at 07:35 PM (#6021195)
Baez basically ran/walked 360 feet on a 2 base error.
   38. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: May 27, 2021 at 07:53 PM (#6021197)
first baseman Will Craig is a Pirate No. 1 pick from 2016.

Is there any record of him playing organized baseball prior to being drafted?
   39. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: May 27, 2021 at 08:03 PM (#6021198)
Is there any record of him playing organized baseball prior to being drafted?


Possibly some little league when he was 11 as I've seen that play executed on a few little league diamonds over the years. Complete with chasing the runner down the line and all the overthrows.
   40. bunyon Posted: May 27, 2021 at 08:50 PM (#6021202)
Yes, I saw a run down between home and first in a little league game once. Like 9 year olds. Both coaches came out and explained why it was stupid after.

But no one else was on base.
   41. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 27, 2021 at 08:56 PM (#6021203)
Baez is way overrated. That firstbaseman should be sacked.
   42. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 27, 2021 at 09:00 PM (#6021205)
And friggin gold-chains should be forbidden.
   43. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 27, 2021 at 09:01 PM (#6021206)
Imagine your little League kiddo wanting a golden chain !
   44. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 27, 2021 at 09:01 PM (#6021207)
Idiots.
   45. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 27, 2021 at 09:03 PM (#6021208)
Othani on BART ? And he didn't get killed ? Wow.
   46. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 27, 2021 at 09:09 PM (#6021210)
Someone has to stop this 7-inning bullcrap.
   47. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 27, 2021 at 09:17 PM (#6021212)
Yanks need a new thirdbase coach !
   48. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 27, 2021 at 09:29 PM (#6021215)
Let's see if Othani will make it on time...
   49. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 27, 2021 at 09:29 PM (#6021216)
Go BART , go BART !
   50. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 27, 2021 at 09:37 PM (#6021217)
Othani is missing, please call 911 if you have seen him ! Contact BART security or call the FBI !
   51. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 27, 2021 at 09:39 PM (#6021220)
OH Tani !
   52. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 27, 2021 at 09:40 PM (#6021221)
Go A's !
   53. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 27, 2021 at 09:43 PM (#6021222)
Oh, tani !
   54. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 27, 2021 at 09:51 PM (#6021224)
Do the Angels have a good pitcher ?
   55. cardsfanboy Posted: May 27, 2021 at 09:58 PM (#6021226)
That was a crush by O'Neil... 2-0 Cardinals after a 900 foot homerun by O'neil.
   56. cardsfanboy Posted: May 27, 2021 at 10:00 PM (#6021227)
(they are listing it at 416 feet.. Dead away center field.... anything less than 460 is a lie) (407 is the listed centerfield, he hit the scoreboard roughly 30 feet away from that... nobody with a rational brain thinks it's less than 440 feet away)
   57. salvomania Posted: May 27, 2021 at 10:01 PM (#6021228)
I guess Tyler O'Neill really does have "30-homer power" as he just hit career homer no. 30, in career at-bat no. 511.

I just wish he didn't have a career OBP under .300...

   58. cardsfanboy Posted: May 27, 2021 at 10:06 PM (#6021230)
He has 30 hr power, he also is a gold glove level defender in the corners, you live with his limitations... basically he's kingman with gold glove defense... nobody is going to have a problem with that, if you build the team with other more rounded players. He's not an Mvp candidate, he's a 3- 4 war player that you live with.
   59. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: May 27, 2021 at 10:06 PM (#6021231)
Just be happy with the win, Cards Gamer Babes !
   60. cardsfanboy Posted: May 27, 2021 at 10:09 PM (#6021233)
Is this guy about to do a Cardinal thing and walk the bases loaded.... yep.. he just did that.
   61. cardsfanboy Posted: May 27, 2021 at 10:12 PM (#6021234)
yep... watching the replay on that homer, and there is no way that thing went "just 416 feet".... That thing was a blast to dead away centerfield, cleared the fence by 30 feet... at the minimum. (he literally hit the ball directly over the 413 sign on the fence, roughly 30 feet higher)
   62. cardsfanboy Posted: May 27, 2021 at 10:37 PM (#6021238)
Carlos Martinez has appeared to be Carlos Martinez for his last several starts, here is hope that he's back, he's 29 years old, so it's to the point you can no longer give a pass for future potential, but have to live with current ability. But his first three starts of the season has really distorted his quality (last five has been 32 ip with an era of 2.51...only issue is a lack of strikeouts in that time frame so it might be a bit deceptive... ultimately he might just be a three or four starter, but he has been pretty successful at keeping runs down for 6 starts)
   63. cardsfanboy Posted: May 27, 2021 at 10:47 PM (#6021239)
Dumbass play by Rojas of the D-backs.... not sure what the #### he was thinking, every thing you have ever heard about baseball has said... "if the ball is in front of you, don't run, if it's behind you run"... this is third grade ####, and he gets his ass stomped by Arenando.
   64. The Duke Posted: May 27, 2021 at 10:52 PM (#6021241)
Arizona updated O’Neill HR to 451 ft
   65. cardsfanboy Posted: May 27, 2021 at 10:55 PM (#6021242)
McLaughlin is talking about George Kissell.... and here is the thing... as a Cardinal fan, Kissel should be in the Cardinals hof, and the fact that he isn't is a major issue.
   66. cardsfanboy Posted: May 27, 2021 at 10:55 PM (#6021243)
Arizona updated O’Neill HR to 451 ft


Much more accurate.

Edit: Cardinal announcers just made a joke about the remeasure.
   67. cardsfanboy Posted: May 27, 2021 at 10:56 PM (#6021244)
Yadier with an infield single, you can't stop his speed.
   68. cardsfanboy Posted: May 27, 2021 at 11:01 PM (#6021245)
Edmundo Sosa with his 8 hbp of the season, he has 52 pa for the season, and he's not a leaner... he's just very unlucky apparently. But it's helping is 187 ops+....
   69. Howie Menckel Posted: May 27, 2021 at 11:09 PM (#6021246)
Dodgers say before the game that they want David Price to go "once through the order" as they stretch him out on his first start.

8 up, 8 down, only 35 pitches and now the pitcher (Alex Wood, who is bad even for a pitcher as a hitter) due up.

time to go to the bullpen, lol. Price threw a whopping 35 pitches.

so if you want him to go once thru the order, let's assume 45 pitches would be efficient. once he whiffs Wood, he'll be at 38 to 40 and he's mission accomplished. he already K'd 5 of the 8 actual hitters and is hitting every edge of the strike zone and not even breaking a sweat (and Price had allowed 2 R in his last 10 IP).

but it's important to bring another lefty, a non-entity who is quite wild.

how wild? he somehow walks Wood and then follows with another walk.

I was PRAYING for the 3-run HR at this point, but it was not to be.

and somewhere out there, a person exists who loves that pitching change.

well..... "we're all God's children," my Irish mom used to say.
   70. cardsfanboy Posted: May 27, 2021 at 11:13 PM (#6021248)
You know that battle plans are only there as an option and potential... if things work better than expected, you should go a bit deeper, depending on the response of the pitcher.... Go another inning...

At the same time, if as a team you feel the game is meaningless, simply because you are clearly the best team in baseball... then heck maybe relax a little... it's a tightrope I get it, but if you are the Dodgers, you literally can do no wrong here.
   71. The Duke Posted: May 27, 2021 at 11:13 PM (#6021249)
Martinez maybe gets through 7 innings - they won’t leave him in and burn him will they?
   72. cardsfanboy Posted: May 27, 2021 at 11:23 PM (#6021252)
Carlos at 77 pitches after 6... why not pitch him until the 7th or 8th if he can be efficient?
   73. Howie Menckel Posted: May 27, 2021 at 11:27 PM (#6021253)
the Dodgers - who can do no wrong - see nonentity lefty throw strikes and get two quick outs in the next inning.

well, we can't have that, can we?

here comes Joe Kelly - who immediately serves up a meatball HR to Longoria.

still, the Dodgers still lead, 2-1. with 2 outs in the 3rd, Betts hits a deep drive to CF, where the Giants decided to have Austin Slater play a CF on TV (he has more MLB starts in 1B than CF. he's a corner OF). Slater gamely tries hard to field it as any non-CF would - so it's a triple followed by a JTurner 2-run HR.

#getoffmylawn
   74. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 27, 2021 at 11:38 PM (#6021254)
Games at Dodger Stadium are just unwatchable with the sound on.
   75. The Duke Posted: May 27, 2021 at 11:39 PM (#6021255)
He’s lost the no - hitter, the shutout, the complete game and the win is at risk
   76. The Duke Posted: May 28, 2021 at 01:14 AM (#6021266)
Cards pull it out - stay ahead of Cubs. Need to kick Arizona while down to stay ahead of surging Cubs and brewers.

It took a couple months but the wheat is separating from the chaff in the standings. Only surprises now are giants and Twins and it’s possible both are regressing to mean
   77. cardsfanboy Posted: May 28, 2021 at 07:40 AM (#6021278)
I'm looking at mlb.com right now, was that Baez play yesterday? WTF was the first baseman for the pirates thinking, there were two outs.... How in the world do you make a gaffe like that?
   78. cardsfanboy Posted: May 28, 2021 at 08:59 AM (#6021288)
I'm looking at the stats that have been updated as of this morning (friday morning) on bb-ref... Tommy Edman has 7.3 career war in 802 pa... not bad It seems everyone is thinking he's just a filler piece, but he actually looks to be a legit major league, borderline all star quality player, at least for the next few years.

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