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Pete Rose: ‘No comparison’ between steroids, greenies in Major League Baseball

Among topics former Cincinnati Reds great Pete Rose discussed earlier this week with Joe, Lo & Dibs on 95.7 The Game in San Francisco was drug use in baseball. And the Hit King insists that “greenies” - the amphetamines many players took during Rose’s career - did not have anywhere close to the impact that steroids did more recently.

“They’ve been treated that way because they’re linked to steroids. ... I’m gonna be honest with you: (Mark) McGwire and (Sammy) Sosa saved the game,” Rose told the radio show. “The game was headed downhill and that had that home run derby. ... That was fun to watch. That was a lot of fun to watch. ... The guys that are linked to drugs - just like the guys that are linked to gambling - aren’t gonna get no votes for the Hall of Fame. I think they belong there. ... Steroids is a lot better than greenies. ... A greenie is nothing more than a diet pill. It’s a diet pill. A greenie is something that’ll curb your appetite. It’s not gonna make you stronger. It’s not gonna make you faster. It’s not gonna make you quicker like steroids. ... There is no comparison. ... (Diet pills) didn’t affect my play. Do you understand what I’m saying? I mean, so it’s no big deal. When you have to go to a doctor and get a diet pill, I mean that’s not gonna help you hit a baseball further or anything like that. But you go to a doctor and get steroids ... I don’t know a damn thing about steroids, and I never had any guys on my team take steroids when I was a manager from ‘84 to ‘89. And certainly Joe Morgan didn’t take steroids, and Tony Perez didn’t, and Johnny Bench didn’t - neither did George Foster. Those guys were just good hitters and big guys that could hit the ball out of the ballpark. But guys today - you see these athletes today - they’re monsters! They’re all big. ... These kids are bigger today. ... It’s amazing how big these athletes are today and how fragile they are. That’s another thing. I used to always tell people ... when you walk in the clubhouse, it says, ‘If you play today, you get paid. And if you don’t play today, you don’t get paid.’ How many of them would take days off? None. ... I think the greatest thing in the world for players ... is a multi-year contract. It gives us security for our families, right? But the worst thing for you and I as fans is a multi-year contract. Because players don’t have to play. They can take two days off a week.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 21, 2020 at 12:20 PM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Tin Angel Posted: June 21, 2020 at 12:31 PM (#5958543)
While it seems pointless to argue with the steadfast logic of Pete Rose, who admits he knows nothing about steroids despite this tirade, if greenies ("diet pills") didn't do anything besides curb his appetite, why did he take them before games for years? Was he afraid of becoming morbidly obese, or having to leave the game in the fifth inning to go have a meal?
   2. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: June 21, 2020 at 12:52 PM (#5958545)
I don’t know a damn thing about steroids, and I never had any guys on my team take steroids when I was a manager from ‘84 to ‘89.


Right, because he and good buddy and sometime roommate, Tommy Giosia, would never have talked about it. I am highly dubious that Rose never took steroids to prolong his career, the man who would "walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play".

when you walk in the clubhouse, it says, ‘If you play today, you get paid. And if you don’t play today, you don’t get paid.’


He reminds me of he who shouldn't be mentioned in a non-OTP thread, just making up #### and not getting challenged on it. It didn't work that way when he played, players got a yearly contract. He is so full of #### that he has left a 79 year trail of it behind himself.
   3. majorflaw Posted: June 21, 2020 at 01:21 PM (#5958548)
“ Joe Morgan didn’t take steroids . . . Those guys were just good hitters and big guys that could hit the ball out of the ballpark”

While he certainly was a good hitter, Joe Morgan is listed at 5’7” and 160 lbs at bb-ref. Not sure that qualifies as a “big guy.” Also, Rose’s entire premise turns on itself. If “greenies” did as little for players as Rose claims then why in the world would anybody have bothered using, why would teams have provided it for players, etc.
   4. Sunday silence: Play Guess How long season lasts Posted: June 21, 2020 at 02:06 PM (#5958554)

He reminds me of he who shouldn't be mentioned in a non-OTP thread, just making up #### and not getting challenged on it. It didn't work that way when he played, players got a yearly contract.


I think what Rose is trying to say is that players with multi year contracts have little incentive to work hard every day.

I think its more obvious in football, where we had Stubblefield here in Washington who was definitely loafing once he got paid. NOt really sure I see all that much in baseball its really different from football in that its more a marathon than sumo match. But even in baseball it looked like George Foster was loafing, hell maybe even Claudell. And those were guys in Rose's time so...

Sorry to defend Rose here, there's a lot wrong with what he's saying.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 21, 2020 at 04:43 PM (#5958591)
Yea, but Pete Rose himself signed a four-year deal with Philly.
   6. Perry Posted: June 21, 2020 at 06:41 PM (#5958603)
Yea, but Pete Rose himself signed a four-year deal with Philly.


Of course he did. You don't even have to read TFA, just the excerpt, to see that he said multi-year contracts are great for players.
   7. BrianBrianson Posted: June 22, 2020 at 04:34 AM (#5958636)

Right, because he and good buddy and sometime roommate, Tommy Giosia, would never have talked about it. I am highly dubious that Rose never took steroids to prolong his career, the man who would "walk through hell in a gasoline suit to play".


Indeed, Rose certainly used Greenies, almost certainly used steroids ... so, he has some authority to compare their importance in professional baseball.
   8. Rally Posted: June 22, 2020 at 09:04 AM (#5958646)
Indeed, Rose certainly used Greenies, almost certainly used steroids ... so, he has some authority to compare their importance in professional baseball.


I assume he does, but given his lack of honesty it's hard to put any stock in what he says about them. Is he making an honest, informed comparison? Or supporting a self-serving narrative? With Pete, always the latter.

While he certainly was a good hitter, Joe Morgan is listed at 5’7” and 160 lbs at bb-ref. Not sure that qualifies as a “big guy.”


Morgan was considered a power hitting giant. All the fans were in awe of his immense size... When he spent an off-season barnstorming in the Shire.
   9. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 22, 2020 at 09:27 AM (#5958649)
it's not a lie if you believe it
   10. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: June 22, 2020 at 03:04 PM (#5958757)
Indeed, Rose certainly used Greenies, almost certainly used steroids ... so, he has some authority to compare their importance in professional baseball.


Don't forget that he can also speak from personal authority about using corked bats. When it comes to breaking the rules of the game, he's a true Renaissance man!
   11. Adam Starblind Posted: June 22, 2020 at 03:35 PM (#5958765)
This almost reads like he's saying steroids are better because they are better at enhancing performance than greenies.
   12. Adam Starblind Posted: June 22, 2020 at 04:12 PM (#5958781)
Indeed, Rose certainly used Greenies, almost certainly used steroids ... so, he has some authority to compare their importance in professional baseball.


Canseco has long said he knows there's a Hall of Famer who's used, and virtually (?) everything Canseco has said on this subject has checked out.

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