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Thursday, February 07, 2019

Phillies land Realmuto for 3 players, int’l signing money

Alfaro, Sixto Sanchez, Will Stewart and $250k in international signing money.  I guess it’s better than what they could have gotten for Fakemuto.

Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: February 07, 2019 at 03:39 PM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: February 07, 2019 at 04:04 PM (#5813433)
I joke but it's actually a decent return. Alfaro looks like a decent enough catcher. And although he's not my favorite young pitcher, Sanchez is well-regarded. K rates aren't great exactly, but they're fair and he's got better control than lots of pitchers with more swing-and-miss potential. Prospect types think that he's top 20. I think the Marlins did okay here.
   2. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 07, 2019 at 04:06 PM (#5813436)
Sixto Sanchez is the one prospect left who all Phillies fans can name. This is a big trade.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 07, 2019 at 04:25 PM (#5813447)
Fair deal.
   4. Davo Posted: February 07, 2019 at 04:34 PM (#5813452)
I wonder if now that he’s out of Miami that makes Realmuto an extension candidate. Catchers can break very easily (so it makes sense for Realmuto to reduce risk and sign an extension), and the Phillies have like nothing coming up in the minors to take over for him. I wonder if like 5/70 with a Team Option or something might make sense for both sides.
   5. JRVJ Posted: February 07, 2019 at 05:17 PM (#5813473)
I'm still surprised that Realmuto ended up with the Phillies.

Having said that, the Phillies have cashed in prospect capital (Alfaro technically not being a prospect anymore), and turned that into a bona fide All-Star, perhaps the best player at his position in baseball.

While they are still not where they need to be, the upgrade from Alfaro to Realmuto means that if they get one of the two super-FAs, they're going to be a genuine playoff contender (I'd say they're on the bubble right now).
   6. base ball chick Posted: February 07, 2019 at 05:50 PM (#5813482)
this doesn't seem like all that

am surprised the astros couldn't come up with at least this much instead of getting the crappy catcher from the rangers
   7. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: February 07, 2019 at 05:57 PM (#5813484)
The winter of Realmuto blue balls are finally over.
   8. AndrewJ Posted: February 07, 2019 at 06:42 PM (#5813492)
I take it Realmuto is the real deal offensively, but can he oversee a developing pitching rotation?
   9. cardsfanboy Posted: February 07, 2019 at 08:02 PM (#5813508)
I take it Realmuto is the real deal offensively, but can he oversee a developing pitching rotation?


Haven't you paid attention to this site over the past decade plus... that isn't the catchers job, it's framing, and hitting... nothing more.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: February 08, 2019 at 12:29 AM (#5813565)
I take it Realmuto is the real deal offensively, but can he oversee a developing pitching rotation?

By bWAR the Phils led the NL with 15 pitching WAA -- #1 in SP, #1t in RP. I'd say they're developed. Even fangraphs, who think Nola was worth -8 WAR(!), put the Phils as the 2nd best staff in the NL (#3 SP, #5 RP). The youngest pitcher in the rotation is Eflin who's 25 and will be in his 3rd service year.
   11. Dr. Vaux Posted: February 08, 2019 at 12:54 AM (#5813571)
This seemed like too much to me. I guess I'm a prospect-clutcher. But with the Braves and Nationals looking good, and the Mets looking like an actual team, it seems like giving up prospects to improve the big league team at one spot isn't a good idea right now. It can't improve their odds of winning enough to be worth it. Spending for free agents, since they have the money, would be a better way for them.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 08, 2019 at 09:38 AM (#5813607)
This seemed like too much to me. I guess I'm a prospect-clutcher. But with the Braves and Nationals looking good, and the Mets looking like an actual team, it seems like giving up prospects to improve the big league team at one spot isn't a good idea right now. It can't improve their odds of winning enough to be worth it. Spending for free agents, since they have the money, would be a better way for them.

Counter point: Sixto Sanchez has at least a 50% chance of generating zero MLB value, either due to injury or ineffectiveness.
   13. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: February 08, 2019 at 10:49 AM (#5813651)
I don't think the Phillies should keep their powder dry because of the Braves and Nats. It's a very winnable division. Heck, it's a winnable league.

The Phillies were 11th in the NL in scoring last year and had the worst non-pitching WAA. They've got plenty of money and a mature pitching staff. Realmuto is exactly the kind of upgrade they should be seeking.
   14. formerly dp Posted: February 08, 2019 at 11:00 AM (#5813660)
Met fan here: put me in the camp of "I can't believe they got him this cheap." Wondering how this package stacks up with the one that netted the Mets Diaz/Cano.

I'm glad the Mets grabbed Ramos for just money, but I'm surprised after everything there weren't more pieces in this deal.

Alfaro looks like a good grab for the Marlins, if he develops at all he won't be a huge step down from the pre-2018 Realmuto.
   15. Padraic Posted: February 08, 2019 at 01:19 PM (#5813733)
Agreed that this move makes sense, and those preaching patience are nuts.

The Phillies are a borderline playoff team, and they just upgraded their worst everyday lineup spot with the best player in the league at that position, using as their only chip a player 2-3 years away! If that's not the spot to make a move, there never will be.
   16. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 11, 2019 at 08:48 AM (#5814248)
They were just given a terrible slate of candidates.


Quite a high-risk package to get for your superstar, particularly given the reported level of interest around the league. Alfaro’s offense doesn’t look so good if you let the air out of his BABIP, and Sanchez missed time last year with elbow problems.
   17. PreservedFish Posted: February 11, 2019 at 09:13 AM (#5814252)
This seemed like too much to me. I guess I'm a prospect-clutcher. But with the Braves and Nationals looking good, and the Mets looking like an actual team, it seems like giving up prospects to improve the big league team at one spot isn't a good idea right now. It can't improve their odds of winning enough to be worth it.


I can't understand this response. The Braves may be strong for years to come. The Phillies are a young team, with most of their best players in the 26-27 age range. They were at .500 last year. What are they supposed to do, wait for a few years? Trade Nola and Hoskins and make a run in 2024?
   18. formerly dp Posted: February 11, 2019 at 09:19 AM (#5814255)
I can't understand this response. The Braves may be strong for years to come. The Phillies are a young team, with most of their best players in the 26-27 age range. They were at .500 last year. What are they supposed to do, wait for a few years? Trade Nola and Hoskins and make a run in 2024?

Yeah, they got the best catcher in the game, in part by giving up a guy who he makes redundant, and a pitching prospect who is a couple of years away, and looks a bit risky, as Vlad said, even as pitching prospects go. On top of that, Realmuto's making nothing in 2019, so it's not handcuffing their payroll either.

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