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Phillies owner John Middleton’s inquisition almost complete

John Middleton continues to walk the fine line between due diligence and indecision.

The Phillies’ season has been over for more than a week now and still the team’s managing partner has not rendered his verdict on whether Gabe Kapler will return for a third season as manager or be let go.

Seven other clubs have made decisions to move on from their managers and others have decided to keep the status quo.

That’s a lot of decision making.

The Middleton Inquisition, IIRC, was one of the lesser Troy McClure films….

 

QLE Posted: October 08, 2019 at 12:56 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: gabe kapler, john middleton, phillies

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   1. The Duke Posted: October 08, 2019 at 07:53 AM (#5887817)
The article says it all. “Maybe he’ll get a chance to continue his growth as a big-league manager”. In the world i live in, when you get a leadership job, it’s expected you will be able to perform. The time for learning how to do your job was before you arrived. If that is still the perception of Kapler after two years, then he should go
   2. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: October 08, 2019 at 08:41 AM (#5887823)
nobody expects the Philly Inquisition
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 08, 2019 at 09:00 AM (#5887826)
In the world i live in, when you get a leadership job, it’s expected you will be able to perform. The time for learning how to do your job was before you arrived.

Well, but then you don't get to pay guys at 1/3 the previous prevailing rate.
   4. Rusty Priske Posted: October 08, 2019 at 01:48 PM (#5887956)
There is a place in a baseball organization to learn how to be a manager... the minors.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: October 08, 2019 at 05:26 PM (#5888065)
In fairness, there would seem to be lots of examples of guys learning to manage (or at least learn how to manage better) on the job ... and the notion that managers/"leaders" have all the skills necessary on day one of their job is a fiction in any organization/profession.

Joe Torre's success with the Yanks was the last thing anybody expected ... and that was his 4th stint as a manager. Francona was as big a flop with the Phils as Kapler -- replaced by Larry Bowa who got more wins out of those guys than Francona did. Maddon's teams lost 197 games in his first two years.

Kapler probably is in over his head but I also wouldn't be shocked if he's got some WS wins in his future.
   6. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: October 08, 2019 at 08:18 PM (#5888107)
The Middleton Inquisition, IIRC, was one of the lesser Troy McClure films….

It's certainly no Gladys the Groovy Mule, not to mention Lead Paint: Delicious but Deadly.
   7. McCoy Posted: October 08, 2019 at 08:22 PM (#5888109)
You can be a leader and learn to be better at your job. The notion that you should be a filling formed leader before getting the job is ludicrous and ignores reality.
   8. "RMc", the superbatsman Posted: October 08, 2019 at 08:53 PM (#5888124)
"Hi, I'm Troy McClure! You remember me from such baseball films as Pride of the Diamondbacks and Devil Rays in the Outfield...!"
   9. QLE Posted: October 08, 2019 at 09:01 PM (#5888130)
You can be a leader and learn to be better at your job. The notion that you should be a filling formed leader before getting the job is ludicrous and ignores reality.


Especially since, to put it a little bluntly, my experience with such claims is that there are elements of buck-passing to them, in which those making such arguments want others to do the hard work for them.
   10. The Duke Posted: October 08, 2019 at 09:31 PM (#5888144)
Tell that to any military officer or any officer of a publicly traded company. I’m not saying you will know everything perfectly, nobody knows everything but you know how to solve a problem even if you don’t know the answer. Some of these new managers don’t seem to have a clue
   11. SoSH U at work Posted: October 08, 2019 at 09:49 PM (#5888149)
Joe Torre's success with the Yanks was the last thing anybody expected ...


Except Dag (retrospectively, anyway). He thought quite highly of Torre's work before getting to New York (the second time).
   12. Howie Menckel Posted: October 08, 2019 at 10:26 PM (#5888158)
   13. Rough Carrigan Posted: October 09, 2019 at 12:11 AM (#5888171)
nobody expects the Philly Inquisition


Of course not, surprise is their greatest weapon, along with unlimited boorishness . . . their two greatest weapons
   14. McCoy Posted: October 09, 2019 at 07:05 AM (#5888183)
Military officers aren't fully formed leaders the moment they walk out of the academy. Even by the time they reach the level of general they aren't fully formed.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: October 10, 2019 at 08:47 PM (#5889147)
Tell that to any military officer or any officer of a publicly traded company. I’m not saying you will know everything perfectly, nobody knows everything but you know how to solve a problem even if you don’t know the answer.

Have you read anything about the Boeing 737 Max?

Seriously, this is ludicrous. The annals of leadership, especially over the last 50 years or so, is absolutely riddled with "Bob was in charge when Company X did great ... now he's driving Company Y into the ground."

Heck, what do you know, the Peter Principle was published 50 years ago. Here's some recent research cited on the Wiki page:

In 2018, professors Alan Benson, Danielle Li, and Kelly Shue analyzed sales workers' performance and promotion practices at 214 American businesses to test the veracity of the Peter principle. They found that these companies tended to promote employees to management position based on their performance in their previous position, rather than based on managerial potential. Consistent with the Peter principle, the researchers found that high performing sales employees were likelier to be promoted, and that they were likelier to perform poorly as managers, leading to considerable costs to the businesses.[26]

(Not having read the article, my first question is how they measured managerial performance. And of course by the logic of the Peter Principle and this research, these incompetent managers are at least as likely as the better-performing managers of being successful at the next level up.)

I think the last sentence of the original statement in this thread was fine -- as Kapler's boss, if you are still focusing on his growth potential after two years, it might be time to get somebody else in. But statement's that appointed leaders are good leaders on day one is just silly.

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