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Phillies president Dave Dombrowski considers the late Darren Daulton one of his all-time great deadline deals

Dave Dombrowski has an impressive trade-deadline track record and there’s a deal he made with the Phillies that remains near and dear to his heart.

On July 21, 1997, as the 40-year-old general manager of the Florida Marlins, he persuaded Phillies general manager Lee Thomas to part with Darren Daulton in exchange for outfielder Billy McMillon.

“It’s one of the best moves for me personally and for the Florida organization because it helped us win a world championship,” Dombrowski said. “I’ve been in the postseason a number of times, but I’ve only won the world championship twice.”

And that was the first one.

“We liked Billy McMillon, but I remember at the time when I talked to Lee, he said to me, ‘I’m telling you, when you get Darren Daulton, you’re going to win the championship,’ ” Dombrowski said. “He said, ‘This guy is that kind of difference maker.’ And he was absolutely right, so for me it was one of the biggest trade-deadline deals of my career.”

 

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   1. Walt Davis Posted: June 12, 2021 at 10:09 PM (#6023959)
Hard to argue with DD here. Either of them I guess. Although Daulton wasn't catching anymore, he'd been a good RF for the Phils that season then an average 1B for the Marlins. Then he raked in the playoffs at 8-22 plus 4 walks, 3 doubles and a HR. B-R now has a thing called cWPA (c for championship) and credits Daulton with 15% of a WS win (I'm not sure if that's game or series, I think series) and over .5 WPA.

Daulton had one of those weird C careers. Little playing time through 26, a terrible season at 27 then he started hitting. For 28-35, a 125 OPS+, 22 WAR, 12 WAA. And for you skeptics out there, his transformation occurred before steroids were discovered in 1993. I assume the knees just couldn't take it anymore as he retired after the series despite a season of 485 PA, 121 OPS+, average 1B/OF defense, 2.3 WAR, 0.8 WAA.

Everything after that (and presumably a lot during) sucks.
   2. Walt Davis Posted: June 12, 2021 at 10:15 PM (#6023960)
Sorry for going off track but cWPA mildly intrigues. No idea how it's calculated or interpreted, I do see that Rivera gets credit for 183% (not surprising) but Jeter for just 1.5%. Bob Gibson made it to 72%, Ortiz to 63%, Kershaw 11.5% (bit of a surprise), Brian Doyle 15% and Jeffrey Maier 3%.
   3. "bothsidesism" word 57i66135 Posted: June 12, 2021 at 10:16 PM (#6023961)
Daulton had one of those weird C careers. Little playing time through 26, a terrible season at 27 then he started hitting. For 28-35, a 125 OPS+, 22 WAR, 12 WAA. And for you skeptics out there, his transformation occurred before steroids were discovered in 1993. I assume the knees just couldn't take it anymore as he retired after the series despite a season of 485 PA, 121 OPS+, average 1B/OF defense, 2.3 WAR, 0.8 WAA.

not sure if serious...
   4. Sweatpants Posted: June 12, 2021 at 10:16 PM (#6023962)
On July 21, 1997, as the 40-year-old general manager of the Florida Marlins, he persuaded Phillies general manager Lee Thomas to part with Darren Daulton in exchange for outfielder Billy McMillon.
...
“We liked Billy McMillon, but I remember at the time when I talked to Lee, he said to me, ‘I’m telling you, when you get Darren Daulton, you’re going to win the championship,’ ”
Doesn't sound like he did a whole lot of persuading there.
   5. McCoy Posted: June 13, 2021 at 07:11 AM (#6023972)
The 1993 Phillies probably racked up the most rehab frequent user miles of any championship series team of the last 30 years. Daulton was a huge drug user and there's a rather famous photo of him celebrating the pennant by hHulk raging out.

I dated a woman whose parents were Philly nurses and one worked at a rehab hospital in the 90s. Would talk all the time about the Eagles and Phillies players that were there.
   6. The Mighty Quintana Posted: June 13, 2021 at 12:24 PM (#6023989)
I always assumed that entire Phillies team was on steroids....half of my high school football team was on steroids in the late 80's, so I am assuming Major Leaguers would have also had easy access.
   7. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 13, 2021 at 02:22 PM (#6023998)
average 1B/OF defense


Daulton was almost exclusively a catcher before his last two seasons. From 1983 to 1995, he only played two games defensively at any other position, both at first base. He only played five games in the 1996 season, all in left field. In 1997, except for one game in left field, he played primarily two positions - every single one of his 73 career games in right field, and 42 of his 44 career games at first base. There can't be many other players with careers that long who basically learned two new positions in their final season after playing another position their entire career.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: June 13, 2021 at 06:35 PM (#6024028)
not sure if serious..

Really?
   9. Shohei Brotani (formerly LA Hombre) Posted: June 13, 2021 at 06:46 PM (#6024031)
Color me skeptical as well. PEDs were in clubhouses before the Oakland A's made them a must-have in the late 80s. I have no idea if Daulton used them, or if he did, when he started, but I don't think you can casually handwave away the possibility.
   10. MuttsIdolCochrane Posted: June 14, 2021 at 05:22 AM (#6024077)
PEDs maybe. Or not. But having not missed many reg season games especially late, and lucky enough to make every playoff/series game (had 19 club seat tickets for game 7 all for family and friends), I can say this. Don't underestimate the team and players we had before the trade, but.....Dutch changed the players, changed the team and changed the fans. He was our second hand lion. No title without him.
   11. Darren Posted: June 15, 2021 at 04:10 PM (#6024323)
Daulton had one of those weird C careers. Little playing time through 26, a terrible season at 27 then he started hitting. For 28-35, a 125 OPS+, 22 WAR, 12 WAA. And for you skeptics out there, his transformation occurred before steroids were discovered in 1993. I assume the knees just couldn't take it anymore as he retired after the series despite a season of 485 PA, 121 OPS+, average 1B/OF defense, 2.3 WAR, 0.8 WAA.


I think the confusion about whether this is a joke is the result of you slipping it in so effortlessly. You're too good!

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