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Friday, January 17, 2020

Piazza: MLB mess ‘unintended consequence’ of game’s new era

To Hall of Fame catcher Mike Piazza, the sign-stealing scandal that’s enveloped Major League Baseball signals where the sport is these days.

“Unfortunately, it’s an unintended consequence of the digital age and all this information,” Piazza said.

Piazza was at the New York Mets’ spring training complex on Thursday for a street naming ceremony, two hours before the team let go new manager Carlos Beltrán.

Beltrán was the third manager to lose his job this week in the wake of the cheating scheme by the Astros. Houston manager AJ Hinch was suspended by MLB and then fired by the club.

That reminds me- has Murray Chass offered his thoughts on these matters yet?

QLE Posted: January 17, 2020 at 12:42 AM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: mets being mets, mike piazza, shame and scandal, spring training

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   1. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: January 17, 2020 at 01:30 AM (#5916821)
They should just get rid of the replay rooms. That would also put an end to the challenges where the runner beats the throw but then pops up off the bag for a quarter second that is never seen on the field but gets caught in the replay room.
   2. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: January 17, 2020 at 09:02 AM (#5916833)
Absolutely. I'd get rid of challenges altogether, but if they have to stay then make the manager challenge them in real time without looking at video.
   3. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:08 AM (#5916875)

Absolutely. I'd get rid of challenges altogether, but if they have to stay then make the manager challenge them in real time without looking at video.



That doesn't really work. The whole impetus for replay came when the game had to pretend X happened when tens of thousands of fans could see via their own eyes that Y actually happened. That tension was untenable, especially when games were at stake.

It won't do to put the manager in a gimp hood and say 'well, he didn't know the player was safe, he couldn't see it.' Let the manager see what we saw, the fans will say.
   4. Kiko Sakata Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:12 AM (#5916876)
The whole impetus for replay came when the game had to pretend X happened when tens of thousands of fans could see via their own eyes that Y actually happened. That tension was untenable, especially when games were at stake.


Which argues for doing away with the manager challenge system. Because in the current system, if a manager lost his challenge in the previous inning, there's no opportunity to overturn a subsequent obvious error. If the goal is to get the calls right, then the managers should have no role in that. That it would also make it more difficult to steal signs electronically in real time would be a happy side benefit.
   5. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:16 AM (#5916878)
Saw video of Piazza via twitter and the hair and the jacket he looks like some middle aged finance clown talking from a lawn party in LA. Piazza was way cooler looking as a player
   6. Hot Wheeling American Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:25 AM (#5916884)
Saw video of Piazza via twitter and the hair and the jacket he looks like some middle aged finance clown talking from a lawn party in LA. Piazza was way cooler looking as a player

*Looking at my numbers*

So that's one vote for bleached blonde hair and...thirty million against.
   7. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:32 AM (#5916888)
6--Solid

Terrible

The second refers to the still image with Piazza in a blazer.
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:42 AM (#5916895)
That doesn't really work. The whole impetus for replay came when the game had to pretend X happened when tens of thousands of fans could see via their own eyes that Y actually happened. That tension was untenable, especially when games were at stake.

I find this entirely unconvincing. Fans have known about blown calls for 100+ years and it never stopped them from coming back. Everyone knew about Denkinger.
   9. Rusty Priske Posted: January 17, 2020 at 03:06 PM (#5916991)
That would also put an end to the challenges where the runner beats the throw but then pops up off the bag for a quarter second that is never seen on the field but gets caught in the replay room.


Which would be a negative.
   10. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 17, 2020 at 03:36 PM (#5917005)

The second refers to the still image with Piazza in a blazer.

He looks better than a lot of 51-year-old former pro athletes.
   11. The Duke Posted: January 17, 2020 at 03:59 PM (#5917014)
I heard we were talking about Barstool here - is this the thread ?
   12. Walt Davis Posted: January 17, 2020 at 05:21 PM (#5917040)
has Murray Chass offered his thoughts on these matters yet?

Following his examination of Jose Altuve's back for the presence of hair (there was very little), Mr Chass further reports that there was no evidence of the current or recent presence of any "buzzer." For this reason, he will continue to vote only for Jack Morris for the HoF.
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 17, 2020 at 06:02 PM (#5917050)
6--Solid

Terrible

The second refers to the still image with Piazza in a blazer.
It’s almost as if aging 25 years would have a negative effect on one’s appearance.
   14. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 17, 2020 at 06:22 PM (#5917057)
But only almost.

The bastard.
   15. JAHV Posted: January 17, 2020 at 06:34 PM (#5917059)
Which argues for doing away with the manager challenge system. Because in the current system, if a manager lost his challenge in the previous inning, there's no opportunity to overturn a subsequent obvious error. If the goal is to get the calls right, then the managers should have no role in that. That it would also make it more difficult to steal signs electronically in real time would be a happy side benefit.


I agree. If there are any good byproducts of this debacle, maybe it will be that as long as the replay room exists in clubhouses, at the very least the temptation will be there to use it for nefarious purposes. It would be really easy to get rid of it by going to a system where a central location reviews all plays and indicates whether a call might need to be changed. Buzz the crew chief before the next pitch is thrown, start the clock, and if they can't come to a definitive answer before 30/45/60 seconds are up, the call stands. No manager involvement, no limited flags, no prolonged reviews trying to parse base contact at the subatomic level.
   16. Tim M Posted: January 17, 2020 at 10:30 PM (#5917100)
I think it's cool when a player involved in the play gestures wildly to the dugout to challenge. It seems he is almost always right. Other challenges, like when they just go look at video replay, not so much. So yeah, ban video replay, but let the players/manager call for one in real time.
   17. Lassus Posted: January 17, 2020 at 10:39 PM (#5917102)
6--Solid

Let me quote snapper: "I find this entirely unconvincing."
   18. Jeremy Renner App is Dead and I killed it Posted: January 17, 2020 at 11:55 PM (#5917113)
You dudes are so ####### old.
   19. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 18, 2020 at 12:06 AM (#5917115)
Verily?

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