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The Pirates, mostly quiet this off-season, are closing in on a one-year contract with free-agent infielder/outfielder Eric Hinske, according to a major-league source. An agreement could be reached as soon as Wednesday, the source said. The deal would pay Hinske between $1 million and $2 million guaranteed, plus incentives.
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Posted: January 28, 2009 at 04:08 AM | 78 comment(s)
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1. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: January 28, 2009 at 04:35 AM (#3062071)EDIT: Finley played 1648 games for all NL West teams:
- ARZ: 849
- COL: 43
- LAN: 58
- SDN: 602
- SFN: 139
And if you want to be downright the nit-pickingest nit-picker what ever lived, you'd note he asked for the "(3-division) record" whatever that is.
Or if you're Shooty, you're still giggling about fat chicks.
In all seriousness, my apologies for the tone
I just found it interesting that even at the beginning of his career he couldn't escape the West (aside from 89-90 and 94)
Since you didn't specify the guys had to play for more than one team, I'd guess that the most games played in a single division in the three-division era still belongs to Biggio with 2052, though Chipper, Jeter (and potentially Garrett Anderson, if he signs with an AL West club) would pass him this year.
I don't think that's what RB had in mind though.
It may be that they've stopped losing on purpose and have moved on to merely being another cheap team. Or it's POSSIBLE... well, don't go around telling people I'm admitting this but it's possible that maybe Littlefield was really that spectacularly terrible at everything.
...but I doubt it.
I didn't have a problem with the tone myself. :-)
Hinske? If by stunk you mean was incredibly unlucky, then yes. He stunk in 07. Looking closer however, reveals a 13% BB rate and a .194 Isolated Slugging%. His overall numbers were depressed by a very low BABiP which was supported by a 10% LD rate. There is no way that his true talent level was really that low though and, sure enough, he regressed to a 19% LD rate in '08.
As for '08, it's true he did most of his damage in April and June. But are you really going to complain about getting a 107 OPS+ out of your fourth outfielder? I think most teams would be more than willing to take that, especially when it's attached to a guy that can play all four corner positions without embarassing himself.
Eyeballing it, I would guess Hinske does, in fact, hold the record. Which isn't saying much.
For pitchers, David Wells just missed a complete of the AL East - he made it to Toronto, Baltimore, New York, Toronto again, New York again, and Boston. Granted, he also spent some time outside of the AL East.
What is there to say? It's all so predictable at this point.
According to this formula, Finley checks in at 2917 NL West DG. Hinske has 1266. Hinske's DG/G (the rate stat!) is 1.40 (Finley is 1.13 thanks to his out-of-division dalliance.)
If you revisionist-history McLemore, he appears to have:
272 for ANA (nee CAL), 635 for TEX, 466 for SEA, 77 for OAK, for a total of 2691 DG, or 1.47 DG/G
Spiezio has 359 OAK, 573 ANA, 141 SEA = 1714 DG or 1.35 DG/G.
Of course, a player who has played his entire career for two teams in the same division, equally split, would grade out at 1.50. Who is such a player?
I had no idea his control was that bad.
His one-time teammate Jimmy Key has 59 with Baltimore, 94 with the Yankees and 317 with Toronto. So that makes him a 1.45, which is still pretty good.
He was also signed by three AL East teams, although he never played in the majors for Toronto.
Roberto Alomar seems to be a reasonable first guess:
TOR 703
CLE 471
SDP 448
BAL 412
NYM 222
CHW 85
ARI 38
Total 6523
Rickey! is close:
OAK 1705
NYY 596
SDP 358
NYM 152
SEA 92
BOS 72
TOR 44
ANA 32
LAD 30
Total 6305
KCA/OAK: 1207
NYY: 792
CAL: 687
BAL: 134
Total: 5388
Dave Winfield:
NYY: 1182
SD: 1116
CAL: 270
MIN: 220
TOR: 156
CLE: 46
Total: 6160
Admission: I totally didn't remember that Staub was ever a Tiger or Ranger.
FLA 558
LAD 526
NYY 347
MIL 294
ATL 290
DET 247
SDP 214
Total 8257
Tough to beat someone who has 200 or more games for 7 different teams.
And Eric J was tabbing it up as I was thinking about it. I lose.
Sheffield quite probably holds the record in this particular junk stat. Julio Franco comes to mind... also Bobby Bonilla. Andres Galarraga looks like he should have a fairly impressive number.
CIN 805
STL 228
SFG 140
SDP 133
PIT 130
ARI 126
KCR 112
ATL 103
Total 5227
Sheffield's life story looks unbeatable.
ARZ: 849
SDN: 602
HOU: 557
BAL: 223
SFN: 139
LAA: 112
LAN: 58
COL: 43
Total 6733
EDIT: Yes, but only because of a 2-game cameo with FLA in 1996.
Carl Everett got five out of six, missed the NL West...
Jesse Orosco missed the AL West...
Can't think of anyone.
EDIT: Wow, good job.
Todd Zeile missed the AL Central.
Terry Mulholland touched 'em all.
NLW: SFG, COL, ARI
NLC: STL, MIL, CIN
NLE: WAS
ALW: TEX
ALC: CWS
ALE: TOR, BOS
Didn't finish until the last year of his career. He also has a weighted games (or whatever) total of 7605.
Wait, Sheffield has them both by 2000? Weird. I guess I had the entirely incorrect impression that Rickey would be among the leaders in games played.
Jesse Orosco missed the AL West...
Yea, but he got the Federal League and the Union League.
Also, if you conclude that Sheffield has played 50 full seasons.
We've named Royce Clayton and Kenny Lofton. After that... let's see...
Found another... Gregg Zaun! (15 games with the Rockies in '03). That may be it.
EDIT: Jose Guillen has done it too. He apparently played on the '02 Diamondbacks.
EDIT: Oh crap, that's what I get for not refreshing. Jose Guillen/Rangers.
?!
Anyone know who I mean?
<u>Close calls:</u>
Hideo Nomo, of all people, played in every division except the AL West.
Also Bob Wickman. Also Damian Jackson. Also Russ Branyan. (damn 4-team division)
Jose Hernandez, missing the AL East.
Paul Abbott, missing the NL West.
Tony Batista, missing the NL Central.
Todd Walker, missing the NL East.
Donnie Sadler, missing the NL East.
Glenallen Hill, missing the NL East. Although he played for the Cubs when they were in the NL East, too...
Incidentally, Mike Stanton played for every division except the AL Central: Braves, Yankees, Nationals, Reds, Giants, Rangers, Red Sox.
D'Angelo Jimenez
Oh wait, it's D'Angelo Jimenez!
Ah, I remember that. He was our Rule 5 pick like six million years ago. Good times!
I'd like to know if any players who played in all six divisions have fewer career ABs (2159) or games played (641) than jimend'01. All the other players mentioned are well-known guys who had long careers.
The full list of these players is something it would be hard to search for, but not impossible, just look for all the possible combinations of six teams (e.g. BAL-MIN-OAK-NYM-CHC-ARI, BAL-MIN-OAK-NYM-CHC-LAD, BAL-MIN-OAK-NYM-CHC-SFG...) in a player's career, during the 6-division era. Though the Brewers switching leagues complicates matters too.
I just checked, and I'm pretty sure that he is. Jake Flowers could've matched him if he'd gone by his given name (D'Arcy), but he didn't. There are a few active players in the low minors who would match it if they made the majors (D'Marcus Ingram, D'Arby Myers, and D'Andre Vaughn), but none seem like particularly good prospects at this point.
Backup catcher Alberto Castillo. 418 games and 1026 ABs from 1995 to 2007, for the Mets, Cardinals, Blue Jays, Yankees, Giants, Royals, Athletics, and Orioles. 11 games in the NL West, 1 in the AL West.
You didn't miss much.
Garret Anderson
. ANA 1235
. CAL 261
. LAA 553
. AL W 2049
Jim Thome
. CHA 426
. CLE 1318
. AL C 1744
Steve Finley
. ARI 872
. COL 43
. LAN 62
. SDN 618
. SFN 139
. NL W 1734
Magglio Ordonez
. CHA 1004
. DET 553
. AL C 1557
Tim Salmon
. ANA 1048
. CAL 399
. LAA 76
. AL W 1523
I remember when Ordonez came up he was living in the same apartment complex as the son of one of my wife's cousins. I think only one of them is worried about making mortgage payments these days. If you take out the team > 1 part, Chipper is only one game behind Jeter.
Wilson Delgado. 253 games and 543 ABs in his career, with the Giants, Yankees, Royals, Cardinals, Angels and Mets.
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