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Wednesday, December 07, 2005

Bucs acquire Bayliss for Redman

Joe Posnanski gets his wish!! The Royals get an average pitcher.

Mike Emeigh Posted: December 07, 2005 at 08:20 PM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: December 07, 2005 at 08:25 PM (#1766132)

Jonah Bayliss? He'll be a good AAA closer if everything works out well.

The Pirates have once again performed their trademark sequence of trading a valuable but slightly overpaid player for a less valuable and non-overpaid player, who then gets traded for cheap players who have virtually no chance of being valuable.

Now they have Jody Gerut and Jonah Bayliss to show for Jason Kendall.

2. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: December 07, 2005 at 08:26 PM (#1766133)

What an odd trade. I don't see what Mark Redman brings to the table in Kansas City other than eating some innings.

3. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 07, 2005 at 08:31 PM (#1766136)

What an odd trade. I don't see what Mark Redman brings to the table in Kansas City other than eating some innings.
Nothing wrong with that - heck, that might make him their #1 starter. He'll make (IIRC) 4.9 mil to do so.

4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 07, 2005 at 08:35 PM (#1766139)

It saves us from another season of Lima Time. That alone is worth $4.5 million and Jonah Bayliss.

5. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 07, 2005 at 08:39 PM (#1766142)

So: Casey, Bayless, cash for Williams, Redman. Is Pittsburgh better off, have they saved money?
Two teams spinning their wheels...

6. Marc Sully's not booin'. He's Youkin'.

Posted: December 07, 2005 at 08:39 PM (#1766143)

I was 4-for-6 with a walk in 7 high school plate appearances against Bayliss.

7. 1k5v3L

Posted: December 07, 2005 at 08:40 PM (#1766144)

Bayliss? He gave up writing for a career as a closer? Sweet.

8. s.zielinski Posted: December 07, 2005 at 08:40 PM (#1766145)

Redman seemed to acquire a bad attitude while playing for a bad team like the Pirates. So, Littlefield trades him to a team worse than the 2005 Pirates!

That'll learn him.

9. VG Posted: December 07, 2005 at 09:01 PM (#1766163)

levski, his appearances on Cold Pizza were very high-leverage.

10. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 07, 2005 at 09:05 PM (#1766167)

Man, am I glad to get this schmoe off the team. In addition to being a jerk, he totally lost it in the second half: 7.08 ERA, 1.69 WHIP, 1.48 HR/9, 17% quality starts.

I saw a metion somewhere of the Royals' top overall slot in the Rule V being the PTBNL, who knows whether it's true or not.

11. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: December 07, 2005 at 09:12 PM (#1766177)

I saw a metion somewhere of the Royals' top overall slot in the Rule V being the PTBNL, who knows whether it's true or not.

How does that work?

12. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: December 07, 2005 at 09:14 PM (#1766181)

Vlad, if that is true the Pirates should use it on one of their own players. See if that's allowed under the transaction rules.

13. Bucs Fan Posted: December 07, 2005 at 09:33 PM (#1766197)

Vlad, that's awesome news. So when do we get Shelton back?

Oh, I guess it doesn't work that way.

14. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 07, 2005 at 09:39 PM (#1766211)

"See if that's allowed under the transaction rules."

It is. The Braves did it once, like 15-20 years ago, with a pitcher whose name escapes me. The Pirates don't really have anybody worth picking this year, though, thanks to the general leanness of the Creech drafts. Adam Boeve might go, but he can't hit breaking stuff and he's been at least 3 years older than the competition for his whole minor-league career.

"How does that work?"

The Pirates scout a guy, the Royals select him, and then the Royals designate him as the PTBNL and trade him to the Pirates. Rule V picks are sold/traded all the time.

15. MM1f Posted: December 07, 2005 at 09:50 PM (#1766237)

"I was 4-for-6 with a walk in 7 high school plate appearances against Bayliss. "

Where was this? did you go on to play ball at any higher level? I dont trust any pitcher that any Primate could go 4-6 w a BB on in HS

16. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: December 07, 2005 at 09:54 PM (#1766242)

the Royals select him, and then the Royals designate him as the PTBNL and trade him to the Pirates

I didn't know they could do that. Would the Pirates have to keep the guy on their roster all season?

17. Marc Sully's not booin'. He's Youkin'.

Posted: December 07, 2005 at 10:06 PM (#1766259)

Where was this? did you go on to play ball at any higher level? I dont trust any pitcher that any Primate could go 4-6 w a BB on in HS

Haha. Bayliss played in the Independent School League at Lawrence Academy in Groton, MA and then went on to D-3 Trinity College in Hartford. He threw hard, but was wild. He only became particularly effective at Trinity. I only know my numbers because after I saw Bayliss pitch very well in one outing at Fenway this year, I emailed my HS coach and had him pull out the scorebooks just for kicks. Lo and behold, I had hit him pretty well. As for whether or not I went on, I was recruited and went to try my hand at D-1 baseball, spurning offers to play both football and baseball at NESCAC schools like Trinity. It's a decision I sometimes regret because, to say the least, I had a crummy college athletic career.

18. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: December 07, 2005 at 10:08 PM (#1766261)

Would the Pirates have to keep the guy on their roster all season?

Yeah, otherwise he'd go back to the Pirates. Wait a minute, I mean no. The Royals would have no claim on him.

19. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: December 07, 2005 at 10:16 PM (#1766269)

Wait a minute, I mean no. The Royals would have no claim on him.

Yeah, but would the team that they drafted him from have a claim?

20. Rally Posted: December 07, 2005 at 10:20 PM (#1766271)

Now they have Jody Gerut and Jonah Bayliss to show for Jason Kendall.

Is that a bad thing? Or would you prefer paying 12 million for a catcher who throws like Mike Piazza and whose power hitting makes David Eckstein look like David Ortiz?

21. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 07, 2005 at 10:45 PM (#1766288)

"Yeah, but would the team that they drafted him from have a claim?"

Yeah, he's treated just like a regular Rule V pick. If the Pirates acquired a guy that way and then wanted to send him to the minors, he'd have to clear waivers. If claimed, he'd go to the new team and continue to be subject to the typical Rule V pick restrictions. If not, he'd be offered back to his original organization for $25k.

The Pirates sold the top overall pick in the '01 Rule V to the Mariners, who used it on Luis Ugueto.

22. Flynn Posted: December 07, 2005 at 10:46 PM (#1766289)

Or would you prefer paying 12 million for a catcher who throws like Mike Piazza and whose power hitting makes David Eckstein look like David Ortiz?

That wasn't his value when he was traded.

23. Shalimar Posted: December 07, 2005 at 10:52 PM (#1766302)

Vlad, if that is true the Pirates should use it on one of their own players.

If they were going to do that, why wouldn't they just protect that player on the 40-man to begin with?

Would the Pirates have to keep the guy on their roster all season?

Yes, same rules as any other Rule V.

24. charlie Posted: December 07, 2005 at 10:55 PM (#1766307)

Yeah, he's treated just like a regular Rule V pick.

Okay... but the Pirates' 40-man is still full, yes? Bayliss has to be added.

25. charlie Posted: December 07, 2005 at 11:08 PM (#1766323)

Oh, well I guess the Royals could just hang on to the Rule 5 pick until Fogg or someone else is jettisoned. Is that what you're thinking, Vlad?

26. WTM Posted: December 07, 2005 at 11:40 PM (#1766364)

Technically speaking, I don't think you can trade or sell the pick. The Pirates picked Ugueto pursuant to an agreement and then sold him.

27. charlie Posted: December 07, 2005 at 11:51 PM (#1766384)

You can't sell the pick, but once you make the pick, you can trade, right? Jose Bautista got traded from the Royals to the Mets and then to the Pirates in his Rule 5 year.

28. MM1f Posted: December 07, 2005 at 11:57 PM (#1766402)

Yeah, picks themselves (like in the MLB ammy draft) cant be moved. Its a draft and trade agreement

29. JMM Posted: December 08, 2005 at 12:37 AM (#1766457)

Bayliss? He gave up writing for a career as a closer? Sweet.

I'm just happy he's out of jail after killing Luke Ryland. Not that I approve of vigilantism by the police, but I think it was obviously that Tim had just completely snapped and isn't a threat to the general public, though he can't be allowed to have his job back.

30. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 08, 2005 at 01:12 AM (#1766499)

"Yeah, picks themselves (like in the MLB ammy draft) cant be moved. Its a draft and trade agreement"

Exactamundo.

Bayliss gets Redman's spot, and the team designates the PTBNL once they've created roster space for him.

31. Greg Schuler Posted: December 08, 2005 at 01:09 PM (#1767300)

It took 29 posts before Homicide cropped up - sometimes, I miss old Primer.

As for the machinations of the Rule 5, it was Ben Rivera who was left off the 40 man by Atlanta and then selected after the Braves caught wind of several teams that were interested. Regardless of where a player is selected from, he is still a Rule 5 pick and all Rule 5 rules apply.

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