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Pirates GM asks MLB to allow re-entry after concussion tests

PITTSBURGH (AP) — Pirates general manager Neal Huntington wants Major League Baseball to consider changing its concussion assessment system to allow for player re-entry after exiting a game for concussion testing.

Huntington offered the suggestion Sunday, a day after Pittsburgh catcher Francisco Cervelli suffered a head injury.

Cervelli was struck by the barrel of Joc Pederson’s broken bat with two outs in the fourth inning. After being assessed on the field by a trainer, he remained in the game before removing himself in the bottom of the inning after briefly stepping into the batter’s box.

I have to wonder if this is answering, in an indirect way, why the Pirates missed the opportunity they had a half-decade ago….

QLE Posted: May 27, 2019 at 06:59 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: bad ideas, concussions, francisco cervelli, neal huntington, pirates

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   1. Rennie's Tenet Posted: May 27, 2019 at 09:23 AM (#5845875)
It's not the worst idea that's ever come down, since head injuries have been placed in a special category with a mandatory protocol. What Huntington is saying is that Cervelli should have pulled himself out immediately after being hit with a bat, but stayed in because he didn't want to leave the team with just one catcher for half the game. Huntington wants to take away the disincentive to report.

Since people are looking into things like the usage of relievers, maybe it should be required that every club have three catchers play at least an inning every week, so that emergency catchers are actually plausible options?
   2. KronicFatigue Posted: May 27, 2019 at 10:34 AM (#5845879)
Seems like a practical approach to handle the mandatory/cautionary nature of head injuries. I see little downside.

I also like the idea of creating a roster spot just for 3rd catchers. Not sure how that would affect the players' growth/careers though....a third catcher is going to get minimal playing time.
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 27, 2019 at 10:35 AM (#5845880)
It's not the worst idea that's ever come down, since head injuries have been placed in a special category with a mandatory protocol. What Huntington is saying is that Cervelli should have pulled himself out immediately after being hit with a bat, but stayed in because he didn't want to leave the team with just one catcher for half the game. Huntington wants to take away the disincentive to report.
That reasoning sounds...not unreasonable. But then you have to wonder if it will create the reverse pressure for a player to come back in the game if he passes the protocol, even if he doesn't feel quite right.
   4. RJ in TO Posted: May 27, 2019 at 10:45 AM (#5845882)
I also like the idea of creating a roster spot just for 3rd catchers. Not sure how that would affect the players' growth/careers though....a third catcher is going to get minimal playing time.


They should do it like hockey does, with the home team keeping an emergency goalie (typically some kid playing for the local college team, or some former minor league who has since retired and is playing in the local old-guy league) available for either team, in the event of injury. It would be a lot of fun to watch some guy who was most recently playing beer league trying to catch major league fastballs.
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 27, 2019 at 11:15 AM (#5845884)
When did it become such a horrifying idea that a team might have to play a few innings with only one catcher? I really don't understand why that is so feared that teams won't even PH in clear situations. Worst case, the emergency catcher has to play and you lose a game. That's not armageddon.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 27, 2019 at 11:17 AM (#5845885)
It would be a lot of fun to watch some guy who was most recently playing beer league trying to catch major league fastballs.
What happens when that guy gets a concussion after missing the third pitch and taking it off the face mask? They'd need about a dozen of them lined up.
   7. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: May 27, 2019 at 11:34 AM (#5845894)
"Brain injury is a special class that requires more caution than other injuries. Also, sub-concussive blows shouldn't keep a player from returning to the game."
   8. Man o' Schwar Posted: May 27, 2019 at 11:49 AM (#5845898)
They should do it like hockey does, with the home team keeping an emergency goalie (typically some kid playing for the local college team, or some former minor league who has since retired and is playing in the local old-guy league) available for either team, in the event of injury. It would be a lot of fun to watch some guy who was most recently playing beer league trying to catch major league fastballs.

Teams could keep a bullpen/bench coach who can catch in a pinch. It's not a roster spot, and it would be a player not otherwise eligible to enter the game unless both regularly designated catchers had already been removed. Truly a just in case of emergency player.

I feel like this is how they would have handled it 100 years ago. I can remember reading news reports of games where a team's coach or manager might enter the game to play (with agreement from the other team) after an injury or some other unforeseen circumstance.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 27, 2019 at 12:27 PM (#5845905)
Teams could keep a bullpen/bench coach who can catch in a pinch. It's not a roster spot, and it would be a player not otherwise eligible to enter the game unless both regularly designated catchers had already been removed. Truly a just in case of emergency player.

This is an excellent idea. Both teams bullpen catchers who are used to handling major league heat. Make them emergency 26th men, and the issue is fixed.
   10. Sunday silence Posted: May 27, 2019 at 12:33 PM (#5845907)
I can remember reading news reports of games where a team's coach or manager might enter the game to play (with agreement from the other team) after an injury or some other unforeseen circumstance.


I think it was Jimmie Wilson who was coaching with the Reds who came on the rest of the season after willard herschberg committed suicide. But other than that I dont recall it much
   11. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 27, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5845931)
This is an excellent idea. Both teams bullpen catchers who are used to handling major league heat. Make them emergency 26th men, and the issue is fixed.
Nah. I don't know how, but teams would find some way to make that guy a relief pitcher.
   12. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 27, 2019 at 02:45 PM (#5845936)
Teams could keep a bullpen/bench coach who can catch in a pinch. It's not a roster spot, and it would be a player not otherwise eligible to enter the game unless both regularly designated catchers had already been removed. Truly a just in case of emergency player.

I feel like this is how they would have handled it 100 years ago. I can remember reading news reports of games where a team's coach or manager might enter the game to play (with agreement from the other team) after an injury or some other unforeseen circumstance.


From an essay on Bob Keely's career I wrote last year:

Bob Keely was the Cardinals bullpen catcher and bullpen coach during 1944 and 1945. He'd been signed as a catcher in 1936, and technically was in the Cards minor league organization for two seasons, but suffered a serious knee injury and never made it into a game. He retired in 1937, but during the war, the Cards needed someone to warm up the pitchers and run the bullpen. His injury made him ineligible for the draft, but he had recovered enough to warm up the pitchers. The Cards kept him on the active roster as an emergency catcher at age 34, and he got into exactly one game each season. The Cards won the World Series in 1944, and Keely was voted a full share by his teammates.

During his time with the Cardinals, Keely had made a very positive impression on manager Billy Southworth, and when Southworth moved to the Braves in 1946, he offered Keely the job as his bullpen coach. Keely remained in that role until he resigned in the spring of 1958 due to ill health, and became one of the most well-liked and respected coaches in the league. He was named as bullpen coach for the NL in the 1949 and 1955 All-Star Games, and in his last season, 1957, the Braves won the World Series. So he ended his days in uniform the way he started, as part of a World Series winner.

You can look at Keely’s career in two ways. His entire professional playing career, major and minor league, consisted of less than three innings. Or, he spent 14 seasons in the major leagues as a player and coach, was a member of two World Series winning teams, and was named to the All-Star Game twice. Your call.

(Virtually all of the info in the post was taken from Gregory H. Wolf’s excellent biography on the SABR site.)
   13. The Duke Posted: May 27, 2019 at 05:27 PM (#5845995)
Keely almost made it to the Hall as a bullpen coach but his positive PED test in 1957 ruined any chance he had with the writers. If Bonds gets in there will surely need to be a reassessment of his case. The only bullpen coach near him in bullpenWAR was Dave Ricketts.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: May 28, 2019 at 12:47 AM (#5846053)
Nah. I don't know how, but teams would find some way to make that guy a relief pitcher.

Nah, that's the pitching coach's job ... unless of course it's a blow out in which case you can use a position player coach as emergency emergency pitcher. What about teams that try to sneak two pitching coaches onto the staff so that they can go 2 emergency pitchers deep in a game? If they have hit more batting practice fungoes than made trips to the mound, they are a position player coach and vice versa. Easy.

Anonymous sources tell me that Manfred is thinking about considering the rule and we can expect to see it in the Atlantic League next year.

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