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Wednesday, June 09, 2021

Pirates rookie Ke’Bryan Hayes called out on home run after missing first base

Pittsburgh Pirates third baseman Ke’Bryan Hayes is one of the brightest young players in the game. Since returning from a wrist injury last week, he is 7 for 18 (.389) with three extra-base hits in four games. Hayes is a .370/.423/.694 career hitter in 30 MLB games.

Tuesday night against the Dodgers (GameTracker), Hayes opened the scoring with an opposite field solo home run against righty Walker Buehler. It was a 97 mph fastball at the knees and Hayes sent it over the high right field wall at PNC Park. A veteran approach and a gorgeous piece of hitting from the rookie. It gets no better.

Alas, the home run did not count. Hayes failed to touch first base as he rounded the bases, and was called out after the Dodgers reviewed the play. Officially, it goes into the books as Hayes flying out to Buehler.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 09, 2021 at 08:52 AM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. John DiFool2 Posted: June 09, 2021 at 10:54 AM (#6023347)
1st base coach also asleep at the wheel? Can you go back to touch up off first after touching second?
   2. Bret Sabermatrician Posted: June 09, 2021 at 11:07 AM (#6023350)
In the video, the first base coach was watching the ball, didn't look at the hitter until he was well past first base.

The Pirates just need one of those "it's been X days since the last Pirating" banners.
   3. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: June 09, 2021 at 11:16 AM (#6023351)
Somebody needs to do a "primer on baseball" for the Pirates. It would be really short, even after the last week of Pirate follies:

"OK, team, when in doubt, just touch first base."
   4. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 09, 2021 at 11:18 AM (#6023352)
Can you go back to touch up off first after touching second?


As long as you touch second again on the way back, yes.
   5. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: June 09, 2021 at 11:19 AM (#6023354)
See I'd argue the first base coach is doing the right thing. His job is to watch the ball and tell the player whether or not he should go. The player should be putting his head down and running his ass off. Now you can argue correctly that the player should be able to make his own decision with the play in front of him and first base coaches are pointless but I don't think it's unreasonable to think that "touch first base" is something a player should make sure he does.
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 09, 2021 at 11:23 AM (#6023355)
This also happened the same night in the minors, with top prospect Bobby Witt, Jr., only it was at home plate, and it really looks like he did touch home despite doing a weird shimmy dance move.
   7. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: June 09, 2021 at 11:27 AM (#6023356)
How the #### did the umpire blow that one?
   8. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 09, 2021 at 11:32 AM (#6023358)
Watch the video in this tweet. It's him crossing over the plate, from the centerfield camera.

Bobby Witt Jr. doesn't seem to touch the plate. He skips over it, and he drags his foot AFTER (through the batter's box).
Plus, the umpire is looking RIGHT DOWN on the plate and sees he misses it.

   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 09, 2021 at 12:04 PM (#6023365)
Seeing as how we have eliminated the need to go through the motions on an intentional walk, how long before MLB eliminates the home run trot?
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: June 09, 2021 at 12:22 PM (#6023373)
Bobby Witt Jr. doesn't seem to touch the plate. He skips over it, and he drags his foot AFTER (through the batter's box). Plus, the umpire is looking RIGHT DOWN on the plate and sees he misses it.


Plus, the catcher is looking right there, and obviously the opposing team thought he missed it.

It's possible Witt grazed home. But it looked to me in both videos that he missed it.

Seeing as how we have eliminated the need to go through the motions on an intentional walk, how long before MLB eliminates the home run trot?



Treder advocated that idea here a decade ago, which I found perplexing. I doubt it goes away, because most players enjoy the trot.
   11. Moses Taylor hashes out the rumpus Posted: June 09, 2021 at 12:27 PM (#6023376)
Practically speaking, how would that work? The batters stay in the box after hitting the ball and just turn and go back to the dugout after the ball goes over the wall (isn't that showboating)? They run down the bases until the ball clears the wall (but don't cross over the mound if going back to the 3b dugout)?
   12. Kiko Sakata Posted: June 09, 2021 at 12:39 PM (#6023380)
Practically speaking, how would that work? The batters stay in the box after hitting the ball and just turn and go back to the dugout after the ball goes over the wall (isn't that showboating)? They run down the bases until the ball clears the wall (but don't cross over the mound if going back to the 3b dugout)?


I think the home run trot is fine. As you say, for a lot of home runs it rightly starts with the batter leaving the box not knowing it was a home run. Personally, I'd keep the trot, but just do away with the rule that you're out if you miss a base (on an over-the-wall home run). If the ball leaves the park, you're entitled to score a run without risk of being put out. Period. And if that means that some players choose to not bother trotting or cut short their trots, eh, big deal.
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: June 09, 2021 at 12:43 PM (#6023381)
Personally, I'd keep the trot, but just do away with the rule that you're out if you miss a base (on an over-the-wall home run).


What is gained by that? You have to touch all the bases to score. Why exempt people from this rather basic task?
   14. Kiko Sakata Posted: June 09, 2021 at 12:45 PM (#6023383)
What is gained by that? You have to touch all the bases to score. Why exempt people from this rather basic task?


This isn't a hill I'm willing to die on - or even risk mild injury. I just think the current rule is silly. The guy hit a home run. Taking that away because he missed first base by six inches or whatever just seems silly to me.
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: June 09, 2021 at 12:50 PM (#6023385)
I just think the current rule is silly. The guy hit a home run. Taking that away because he missed first base by six inches or whatever just seems silly to me.


Would that also work for the runner on second on an automatic double? What about a walk with the bases loaded?

I just don't get the objection to the existing rule and this desire to carve out an exception in this one instance. Just touch all the bases. It's not hard. They're not moving.
   16. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: June 09, 2021 at 01:10 PM (#6023392)
Wow, that other angle it looks perfectly obvious Witt missed it. On the original angle it looked like his left foot came down on it but it clearly was past the plate. Additionally Witt kind of noticeably looks back as if he realized he missed it.
   17. weiss-man Posted: June 09, 2021 at 02:23 PM (#6023404)
In cricket, when the batter hits a boundary (ball over the fence), it counts for 6 runs, but he doesn't run it out.
   18. Karl from NY Posted: June 09, 2021 at 03:13 PM (#6023425)
A home run doesn't actually mean the batter scores. It's a dead-ball situation where the batter may advance four bases. He has the option to not take that advancement.
   19. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: June 09, 2021 at 03:22 PM (#6023430)

This isn't a hill I'm willing to die on - or even risk mild injury. I just think the current rule is silly. The guy hit a home run. Taking that away because he missed first base by six inches or whatever just seems silly to me.


And Mookie Wilson clearly had a ground out. Giving him a single just because Buckner missed the ball by six inches or whatever just seems silly to me.
   20. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: June 09, 2021 at 04:31 PM (#6023444)
Jeez, how long before somebody on this thread defends Fred Merkle for not touching first base?
   21. Perry Posted: June 09, 2021 at 04:41 PM (#6023447)
Jeez, how long before somebody on this thread defends Fred Merkle for not touching first base?


It was second base. And I've always defended him, because that was a rule that was not consistently enforced at the time. In fact the Cubs tried the same appeal with the same umpire a couple of weeks earlier and the ump waved it off. John McGraw always defended him too.

It was kind of like if an ump had found stickum on Kershaw's hand in the World Series last year and ejected him.
   22. GregD Posted: June 09, 2021 at 05:36 PM (#6023462)
that was a rule that was not consistently enforced at the time. In fact the Cubs tried the same appeal with the same umpire a couple of weeks earlier and the ump waved it off. John McGraw always defended him too.


Right. Nothing analogous. Merkle did something that everyone did and no one got penalized for. Hayes did something that no one does, and would always be called against him.
   23. Walt Davis Posted: June 09, 2021 at 06:05 PM (#6023466)
Seems like we need some harsher sentencing guidelines for the Bucs' kangaroo court.
   24. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: June 10, 2021 at 06:38 AM (#6023531)
It was second base. And I've always defended him, because that was a rule that was not consistently enforced at the time. In fact the Cubs tried the same appeal with the same umpire a couple of weeks earlier and the ump waved it off.


O'Day waved it off because he didn't see whether the player had touched second or not. It's likely that this incident made him more perceptive of Merkle's mistake.
   25. sunday silence (again) Posted: June 10, 2021 at 05:24 PM (#6023632)
John McGraw always defended him too.


THis confused me until I realized that you mean McGraw defended MERKLE not O'DAY the umpire.

It's likely that this incident made him more perceptive of Merkle's mistake.


Well to say the least. The Warren Gill game took place in Pittsburgh on Sept 8. The Cubs challenged the game and league president Pulliam ruled that ODay ruled correctly because he didnt see what Merkle was doing. NB: Pulliam DIDNT rule that it was OK not to touch second on such a play. Thats sort of where what was the custom was suddenly not legal.

Sidenote: In the Warren GIll game there was only one ump but two for the Merkle game.

So when the Merkle thing happened, ODay made damn sure he was watching for the runner to touch first because of all that had happed; and I guess he figured that the rule was pretty hard core now at least based on the ruling by Pulliam. And of course Evers was completely vindicated because of how Pulliam had ruled and that ODay said he didnt see Gill. Meaning that he was sure to get the right call if only the umpire was watching.

Umpire Bill Klem said that was a rule that was only meant to be enforced for ground balls where you had a chance to get the runner on the force play and not on clean hits to the outfield. I dont know where he got that idea but he was a great umpire and may have had an understanding of how the rules of baseball had evolved.

Most of the websites do say it was customary to simply run off on a hit to the outfield but I guess Evers thought that was just being silly.

Some websites say Merkle asked the other umpire if the game was over and he said "yes." So that is why he ran off. He didnt admit till 1949 that he didnt touch, I guess because the NYG appealed and claimed Merkle did touch.

WOw what a mess to untangle.
   26. sunday silence (again) Posted: June 10, 2021 at 07:29 PM (#6023651)
CORRECTION: "...ODay ruled correctly because he didnt see what Gill was doing.." (Not "Merkle", gee)

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